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Archive February 2008
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Category:Unknown subject should be merged into Category:Unidentified subjects (or vice versa). They seem to fulfill the same purpose. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- As Category:Unknown subject is linked from the community portal, I suggest merging from Category:Unidentified subject to Category:Unknown subject. --rimshottalk 16:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Done: this issue is nearly fixed now ("unknown" > "unidentified") --:Bdk: 20:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed. Is there anything left to do? --rimshottalk 16:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well, there are two entries – Category:Versioj de softvaroj and Category:Đại số 8 – in Category:Unidentified subjects I don't have an idea about :-/ Both don't really fit into the "Unidentified subject" meta/base category (only "unidentified foo" subcategories and perhaps some lone images should be in there, imo). I just moved them from the "unknown" category to get rid of the remaining entries there;-)
- Hmm, and – at least in the long run – I think we should also rename most of the other "unknown" subcategories to "unidentified", as a lot of motifs are in fact well known (in the meaning of "yeah, I do know what it is, but I can't remember its precise name/location right now"), but are just not sufficiently identified. Anyway, renaming the dozens of subcategories is not prior-ranking (compared to some other tasks), btw. Help is always welcome, of course :-) --:Bdk: 17:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Merged
- --Foroa (talk) 23:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
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There's no point in having Category:Soup and Category:Soups. I suggest merging to Category:Soups. --rimshottalk 15:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Agree, have listed it at User:CommonsDelinker/commands. --GeorgHH • talk 07:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Done, category moved. --rimshottalk 11:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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Cities and villages are two different things. Rename to Category:Settlements in Scotland, then we can make subcats for Cities, Towns and villages. --Jonathan Oldenbuck 15:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
- Category:Cities in the United Kingdom should be reorganized completely, not just for one country. Could you make a proposal, based on categories "Settlements in ..."? --rimshottalk 10:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
- Something tells me this is not all that active but ...:) I came to this via a roundabout route. The "practice" for England is (largely) "Towns & villages in xxx" which I have adopted/used etc. I have presumed (in English counties) that the cities would be on the top level county page I worked on that basis. Then I find Scotland (& I think Wales) are "organised" rather differently. It is an are that I am working on so feel free to nudge me (or post here).
- Looking at Geography of Scotland and finding Bays of Scotland, Beaches of Scotland AND Coasts of Scotland (to say nothing of Firths of Scotland) suggests some work is needed. Personally I think a "Coast of Scotland" category is warranted as a top level cat (sub of Scotland) & I may work towards that. --Herby talk thyme 08:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Is there any good definition of city? In Germany, a city a settlement that has city rights. If there's something like that in the UK, you'd have a good inclusion criterion for the cities in xxx categories. All other settlements could go into towns and villages in xxx categories. Both of these can then go into settlements in xxx categories. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to differentiate between towns and villages, as it will often be a matter of personal taste where to categorize a settlement. Naturally, every city and village will be in a category corresponding to its county. I can't make up my mind, however, whether it makes sense to refine the county categories into cities in .... and towns and villages in ..., or just to create settlements in xxx categories for all counties. I guess it depends on the number of settlements.
- As for the bays, beaches and coasts: I've never really thought about that topic, but if you see a way to clean up the categories, go ahead and do it. --rimshottalk 19:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- For the UK cities are mostly defined by having a cathedral though I think the government may have introduced a populist vote on one or two new ones.....
- However - I think maybe I'll start at Category:United Kingdom and see where I get to before I retire :)
- I do agree with the "All other settlements could go into towns and villages in xxx categories" bit. That seems to be fairly common with UK ones and if there are too many (there are in some places) then "villages in xxx" becomes a sub of "towns & villages in xxx".
- From a uk counties perspective there is always the city that is the home of the county authority, & to me, that belongs in the high level cat for now.
- I appreciate the comments - I'll go and play :) Thanks --Herby talk thyme 07:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- About this specific one - I'll probably create a "Villages in Scotland" sub category. Not perfect but ok for now? --Herby talk thyme 14:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Are there no towns in Scotland? ;) --rimshottalk 15:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- About this specific one - I'll probably create a "Villages in Scotland" sub category. Not perfect but ok for now? --Herby talk thyme 14:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ooops - fair enough - consider that a "Towns in Scotland" & a "Villages in Scotland" to go - been one of those days. I'll get to in in the next few days I hope. I'm just realising how complex trying to organise cats are :) --Herby talk thyme 16:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry for not replying, I thought that no-one was interested and didn't see the discussion. Cities are well defined in the UK (see w:City status in the United Kingdom), there are six in Scotland. I agree that reorganisation has to be UK-wide, and I see there is already Category:Cities in the United Kingdom, so I will set up Category:Cities in Scotland as part of that. I think both Category:Towns in Scotland and Category:Villages in Scotland should be used - the distinction is a little blurry but usually clear enough, and this structure is used on the English Wikipedia. A similar structure can apply to England, Wales and Northern Ireland, all under Category:Geography of the United Kingdom. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 14:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Just as well I watchlisted this :) I've been trying to sort out some UK higher level cats for a while. I've had some other issues to deal with but would hope to get back to this work as soon as I can. Let me know if I can help. If/wehn you/we do sort it I suggests a "soft redirect" (Template:Category redirect) of this one for a while rather than deletion FWIW. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 14:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- It will become a disambiguation rather than a redirect as its splitting into three - I put redirects on only to have them removed, see [1]! But yes, I have made a start on Scotland, if I get through that then I may look at England/Wales/NI as well. I'd appreciate another worker - let me know what you can look at. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've been looked at overloaded high level UK cats where there is certainly some duplicate categorisation (people by occupation is a nightmare :)). However I am also trying to work my way "up" from England county level trying to standardise cats and again trying to reduce over populated cats. For example some has done a great job with Derbyshire but every tiny village is in the higher level cat. I've also been working on "Geography of " at England, Wales & county levels when I get a chance. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 12:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
This has been open for over a year and untouched for nine months so I'm simply closing it. It looks like the issue has been addressed to people's satisfaction. Wknight94 talk 02:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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Cocks and roosters
[edit]We have a Category:Cocks and a Category:Roosters. I don't think there is any distinction. We should merge one way or the other (and apply the union of the supercategories and subcategories). --Jmabel | talk 05:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's not exactly the same. According to [2] and [3], cock may refer to the male of any bird, while rooster is reserved for the male of domestic fowl and a few game birds. As the category is obviously meant to refer to the male of the domestic chicken, I think Rooster should be the category that's kept. Note that there is Category:Male birds already. --rimshottalk 08:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- Merge Cocks with Roosters. Cocks is a generic term with several meanings, and rooster is specific to male domestic fowl. VanTucky 23:18, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Merged to Roosters --rimshottalk 16:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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Superfluous to Category:The Holocaust. Plus, this category is empty. --Reuvenk 09:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- A {{Category redirect}} to Category:The Holocaust should be fine. --rimshottalk 09:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:The Holocaust. --GeorgHH • talk 08:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)