Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/09
to be deleted. create by mistake and redundant (see Category:Illustrations for Vita dei campi, by Giovanni Verga (Published Treves, 1897)) Mpaa (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Mpaa: I've tagged it with {{Speedy}} to get it deleted. For future reference, this kind of thing usually doesn't need discussion. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I wasn't aware this process was not meant for deletion, found it out only after clicking. Mpaa (talk) 20:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Mpaa: Well, it is used for deletion when a discussion is needed, but this case seems like a simple one that doesn't need to be discussed. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:42, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I wasn't aware this process was not meant for deletion, found it out only after clicking. Mpaa (talk) 20:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:05, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Why should this category exist? How does it fit into the category structure of Commons? Who will benefit from this category, how will files be better findable? What kind of files will be here? See Commons:Categories for more information. JopkeB (talk) 07:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like a user category. User categories are allowed, per the guideline at Commons:User-specific galleries, templates and categories#Categories. This would just need to categorized as such, and probably renamed to include the user's entire user name (again, per the guideline). --Auntof6 (talk) 19:04, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks User:Auntof6, for your reply and meaningful comments. I made the changes according to the guideline. --JopkeB (talk) 09:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
This category is a user category. It only had not the right name and had no proper parent category. I have added the (template for the) correct parent category and renamed the category to Category:Files by user:I am Rjsb0192 according to the guideline. --JopkeB (talk) 09:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference with Category:Goblets? Why should this be an extra category? JopkeB (talk) 03:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- To separate files by the material goblets are made of. That's a pretty common thing to do. Some goblets are made of metal, and there may be some made of other materials like horn, plastic, pottery, or others. -- Auntof6 (talk) 05:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- It should be distributed according to important features, for example, by materials. This will facilitate the search. --Andrey Korzun (talk) 06:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Auntof6 and Andrey Korzun, you are right, I did not think of this possibility. Problem solved, both categories may stay. --JopkeB (talk) 09:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Both categories are needed. --JopkeB (talk) 09:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Category has been emptied since August 22 after File:Roki Vulović in 2016.jpg was deleted for a lack of permission. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:48, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan: next time nominate the empty category for Speedy deletion with rational "Unuseful empty category". No need for category-for-discussion Estopedist1 (talk) 05:59, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- I couldn't find it for whatever reason. I'm rarely on Commons as opposed to Wikipedia. I'll tag the category page and the discussion here can be closed. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:48, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Category deleted (author's request) Estopedist1 (talk) 05:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference with Category:Cream sodas? Can this category be merged into the other (because category names should be plural)? JopkeB (talk) 05:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Other subcategories under Category:Soft drinks are singular, or at least not plural. These include Category:Ginger ale, Category:Ginger beer, Category:Italian soda, Category:Melon soda, Category:Root beer, Category:Club soda, and others. (I do see, however, that Category:Lemon-lime sodas is plural.)
- I think we need to take the "category names should be plural" idea with a grain of salt. A category could be named "Cream soda" to emphasize the concept of cream soda, or "Cream sodas" to indicate that different beverages are included. In this case, I think the singular/collective noun form is best because it could include things related to cream soda that aren't actual beverages. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm the creator of the category (apparently, as it was a long time ago and I don't remember doing so...!)
- I don't have any strong feeling about which should be kept, but there's obviously no point in having *both* versions, and it's probably better to be consistent with whatever the pattern is for similar categories (i.e. soft drink related). Ubcule (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Auntof6 and Ubcule for your replies and remarks. I agree with Ubcule that there should be one category and I do not have a strong feeling about which one should be kept either. Because Auntof6 prefers the singular noun form (do I interpret this correctly?), I suggest we keep Category:Cream soda and move the files and subcategories of Category:Cream sodas. Do you both agree? --JopkeB (talk) 10:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds fine to me, thanks. Ubcule (talk) 17:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Auntof6 and Ubcule for your quick answers. I have made the changes. --JopkeB (talk) 04:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Auntof6 and Ubcule for your replies and remarks. I agree with Ubcule that there should be one category and I do not have a strong feeling about which one should be kept either. Because Auntof6 prefers the singular noun form (do I interpret this correctly?), I suggest we keep Category:Cream soda and move the files and subcategories of Category:Cream sodas. Do you both agree? --JopkeB (talk) 10:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
There is no difference between these two categories, so they can be merged. Category:Cream soda has been kept, files and subcategories of Category:Cream sodas has been transferred. --JopkeB (talk) 04:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Wrong name, see correct category: Holy Cross church in Agnac Tournasol7 (talk) 19:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Done I redirected to the correct one. Regards. Peter17 (talk) 10:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
deleted. Wrong name Estopedist1 (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
duplicate of Category:Garibaldi, Oregon Jsayre64 (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Tagged with {{Bad name}} to get it deleted. @Jsayre64: In noncontroversial cases like this, you can tag like I did instead of starting a discussion. --
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 20:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Please remove this category. It was created by mistake based on a typo. Thank you. Mojmir Churavy (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 18:24, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Delete empty category? Another Believer (talk) 04:54, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yep, to delete. ----Benoît (d) 05:23, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Tagged as empty, along with the other 10 entries in Category:Crypto.com Arena statues, and that category itself. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Empty category. File moved to Category:GAZ ambulances Medyanowsky (talk) 12:36, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 15:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
typo: It is Leugenboom not Leugenboon. Koekelare is a town in Belgium. Leugenboom is an area in Koekelare. The gun was located in Koekelare, more specific at the Leugenboom area. JuFo (talk) 14:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, and sorry: This was a typo. By now, I renamed the category. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 15:11, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 15:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
empty category Emu (talk) 07:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Deletion request, Category erroneously created and superseded by correctly named category. Fl.schmitt (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 13:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
typo, please delete Avron (talk) 06:26, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
There's no domus in Pompeii with Fiorelli Address VII.11.51, Insula VII.11 has entrances 1-17. Fl.schmitt (talk) 18:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Please delete this category. When I created this category, I was referring to a nineteenth century document that was using Roman numerals for the Insula number and I didn't realize it. I didn't think my permissions allowed me to delete a category once it was created. - Mary Mharrsch (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
There's no domus in Pompeii with Address IX.11.10, Insula IX.11 has entrances from 1 to 8 Fl.schmitt (talk) 18:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Please delete this category. When I created this category, I was referring to a nineteenth century document that was using Roman numerals for the Insula number and I didn't realize it. I didn't think my permissions allowed me to delete a category once it was created. - Mary Mharrsch (talk) 17:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
wrong name: it requires the hyphens, per Category:Place des Fleurs-de-Macadam Shawn à Montréal (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Redundant subcategory of Category:John Junior, presumably created in error: images were previously split between the two categories. Lord Belbury (talk) 18:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Tagged as bad name to get it deleted. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, I wasn't aware there was a CSD for that! --Lord Belbury (talk) 07:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
What is this category about? What is the difference with Category:Land-art in Carinthia? JopkeB (talk) 12:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Landart seems to be a spelling variation of Category:Land art. Move everything that is in Carinthia to Category:Land art in Carinthia (I tweaked the category name), and what is not in Carinthia to corresponding categories. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 08:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Herzi Pinki. I made the changes as you suggested. --JopkeB (talk) 06:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
The files in this category have been moved to Category:Land art in Carinthia or other categories, a redirect has been made (to the main category). --JopkeB (talk) 06:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
empty. If it ever is populated it may be re-created 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 18:22, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
(Perhaps for a native Enlish speaker) Can Category:Beams also be a subcategory of Category:Boards? Beams meet my/the definition of Boards in the category (there is no real page for Board in the EN-WP, nor in Wikidata, so I composed a definition myself, please change it, if it is not correct; I think the one in Wiktionary is too limited for the Commons category). JopkeB (talk) 09:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think so, beams are normally narrow and for supporting floors etc in buildings while boards are formally wide such as noticeboards or board games. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! Clear explanation. --JopkeB (talk) 14:58, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
No, Category:Beams cann not be a subcategory of Category:Boards. --JopkeB (talk) 05:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Empty category. Gabriel trzy (talk) 10:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 07:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
If possible, delete the category (my creation), since there is no need for a category when the file is already placed in another category, which is more inclusive. Mychele Trempetich (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 07:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
This category is empty. Motacilla (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
This category is empty. Motacilla (talk) 22:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
This category is empty. Motacilla (talk) 22:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
The category is empty. Waldyrious (talk) 08:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
IMO this category is redundant because "No. 8 On Muk Street" is exactly the address of the HKBU Shek Mun Campus. Don't know why we need an extra category A1Cafel (talk) 12:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- The campus may have several buildings, some located at other addresses. File:HKBU CIE.png has a map. Enhancing999 (talk) 14:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Checked. No. 8 On Muk Street is the only location of the Shek Mun Campus. --A1Cafel (talk) 15:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 17:59, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Misspelled and unused. Correct category: Category:Träslövsläge kyrka //LevandeMänniska (talk), 21:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 17:59, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
this category is a duplicate which I created by mistake, the correct category is Category:Photographs by Xiquinho Silva 1904.CC (talk) 22:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- I tagged it with {{Bad name}} to get it deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: speedily. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Grammar error "library" insted of "libraries" Giacomo Alessandroni What's up! 15:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Deleted, creator's request. --Achim55 (talk) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
obvious not useful; sandbox; contains a category loop created by template Herzi Pinki (talk) 07:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Deleted. --Achim55 (talk) 13:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
I believe it was created by error, since the climber in the photos is Fanny Gibert (not Gilbert), who already had her own category here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fanny_Gibert (and own WD item here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33133721). I moved the images and merged the items, now this category remains. I don't know if it should be simply deleted or transformed to a redirection. Sukkoria (talk) 21:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Deleted. --Achim55 (talk) 13:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Not from 1890 edition. CzarJobKhaya (talk) 21:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy delete Your comment is confusing, because what you mean is that File:Shanghai concessions from Review of reviews and world's work, page 88.jpg is not from the 1890 edition, so the category is empty and therefore can be speedily deleted, so this whole conversation is irrelevant. Also, please don't modify the category before discussion, as others won't know what is being discussed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 07:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
not needed. empty. Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
not needed. empty. Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
not needed. empty. Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- It duplicates Category:Photographs taken on 2021-11-06. Enhancing999 (talk) 20:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Empty category Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- There is a Category:Reelfoot Lake (Tennessee), which is probably what this category intended to reference. BrineStans (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Probably best to simply merge the populated category into this one as the topic has no need for disambiguation. — Huntster (t @ c) 19:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to do this, but not 100% succeeded as magical Wikidata handling has thrown a fit Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Mateusz Konieczny, yes, it can be a multi-step hassle. I've taken care of the rest. Thanks for the attempt! — Huntster (t @ c) 13:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- So I guess that it can be now closed? Remove banner from category - and mark this discussion as solved. Is anything else needed? (I found https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion#Closing_a_discussion ) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Mateusz Konieczny, yes, it can be a multi-step hassle. I've taken care of the rest. Thanks for the attempt! — Huntster (t @ c) 13:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to do this, but not 100% succeeded as magical Wikidata handling has thrown a fit Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Merged. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Is er ook een Bevrijdingsmonument (2), (3), etc. in Kampen? Of kan deze categorie hernoemd worden naar Category:Bevrijdingsmonument Kampen? JopkeB (talk) 08:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ja dat is Kampen, bevrijdingsmonument (2) aan de Horstsingel/Fernhoutstraat, 8261, Kampen (Kampen), Overijssel, Nederland.
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- OK, duidelijk, dank voor het reageren. Kunnen we toch de titel iets specifieker maken, voor wie niet weet welk monument (1) en welke (2) is, bijvoorbeeld Category:Bevrijdingsmonument IJsseloversteek, Kampen? De link naar het nummer in website 4&5 mei blijft staan voor wie meer wil weten over het monument; dan hoeft de naam van de categorie niet precies hetzelfde te zijn als op de website 4&5 mei. Hoe denk jij hierover? --JopkeB (talk) 13:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Dan ben ik meer voor Category:Bevrijdingsmonument, de la Sablonièrekade, Kampen Groet --Agaath (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- OK, duidelijk, dank voor het reageren. Kunnen we toch de titel iets specifieker maken, voor wie niet weet welk monument (1) en welke (2) is, bijvoorbeeld Category:Bevrijdingsmonument IJsseloversteek, Kampen? De link naar het nummer in website 4&5 mei blijft staan voor wie meer wil weten over het monument; dan hoeft de naam van de categorie niet precies hetzelfde te zijn als op de website 4&5 mei. Hoe denk jij hierover? --JopkeB (talk) 13:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Maar er staat nòg een oorlogsmonument langs die weg, minder dan 100 m verderop, zie Category:Oorlogsmonument, Kampen, dat zou dáármee weer verwarring geven. Wat ook nog zou kunnen: Category:Bevrijdingsmonument, Kampen (1995). --JopkeB (talk) 03:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Dat had ik niet opgemerkt. Dan kies ik toch liever voor jouw eerste voorstel Category:Bevrijdingsmonument IJsseloversteek, Kampen Wil jij de category aanpassen? groet--Agaath (talk) 10:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Maar er staat nòg een oorlogsmonument langs die weg, minder dan 100 m verderop, zie Category:Oorlogsmonument, Kampen, dat zou dáármee weer verwarring geven. Wat ook nog zou kunnen: Category:Bevrijdingsmonument, Kampen (1995). --JopkeB (talk) 03:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ja, ik maak tzt de aanpassingen en sluit dan de discussie. Ik wacht nog even af of er nog anderen zijn die willen meediscussiëren (officiële wachttermijn is zo'n twee weken). --JopkeB (talk) 13:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
The name of Category:Bevrijdingsmonument (1), Kampen is not clear enough. It should be Category:Bevrijdingsmonument IJsseloversteek, Kampen. --JopkeB (talk) 10:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference between Category:People photographing and Category:Photographers at work? In what cases should an image be in one or the other category? Should the first one be a subcategory of the second one? JopkeB (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- There's more to a photographer's work than just taking the photograph. There's setting up lighting, processing photographs, posing the subject(s), maybe more, although I don't see a lot of those other things in the category. I think "people photographing" could be a subcategory of "photographers at work", unless we want the latter to include only professional photographers. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Auntof6, for your reaction. Yes, I agree. So the question is (also):
- Is Category:Photographers at work only for professional photographers and is Category:People photographing only for amateur photographers? --JopkeB (talk) 03:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- In a lot of cases, it would be hard to identify who's professional and who's amateur, though. I know it was my comment, but I'm not sure we can do that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Auntof6, for your reaction. Yes, I agree. So the question is (also):
- Again, I agree. So the answer to my last question would be "No". Until now the conclusions may be:
- Category:Photographers at work is for all kind of activities by photographers: preparing for taking photos, like setting up lighting, processing photographs, posing the subject(s); taking photos; but (addition by me:) it may also involve activities afterwards, like developping photographs (in a darkroom). This schould be the parent category.
- Category:People photographing is only for all kind of people who are taking photographs. This schould be a subcategory of Category:Photographers at work.
- Can we implement these conclusions? --JopkeB (talk) 06:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- That would work for me. Should we wait a bit to see if anyone else has any comments? -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I'll wait another 14 days for other comments. --JopkeB (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- That would work for me. Should we wait a bit to see if anyone else has any comments? -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Category:People photographing is just about taking photographs, by all kind of people, professionals and amateurs alike. It should be a subcategory of:
- Category:Photographers at work, which is about all the work a photographer is doing, also the work before and after taking photographs.
So both categories should stay, they just need accurate definitions. --JopkeB (talk) 09:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Created by mistake. Please delete. Thanks. Cabeza2000 (talk) 10:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedily. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Delete. Empty cat (did contain File:120 mm and 155 mm ammunition of Poongsan Corporation.jpg which isn't HE, and the name's wrong if we do want to have a Category:HE ammunition in the future. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: Speedied (C2). —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Defunct; Same as Category:The Review of Reviews CzarJobKhaya (talk) 21:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Former name of the publication. Should continue to serve as a redirect. SecretName101 (talk) 01:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Not done: per SecretName. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm struggling to see the actual point of this category, The model in question (Optare Versa) isn't even "humpbacked" - it's "humpfronted" if that's even a word but either way I doubt anyone on planet earth has thought "hmmm I want to find a "humpbacked bus" ....., Of course the front roof design of the bus is certainly unique as most buses ae flat-roofed but IMHO irrespective of what part of the roof is "humped" there's no need for a seperate category as there are no other buses that are designed this way. Essentially the category is more or less a duplicate of all the categories within the Versa categories. Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 19:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's probably just a proxy category for Optare Versa buses in the United Kingdom. We could move all images over there and delete this category. MB-one (talk) 18:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hey @MB-one, I'd long forgotten about this category and this "ranty" CFD, I've moved all images, I don't suppose when you have a spare 5 minutes if you could delete and close this please? :), Many thanks, Warm regards, –Davey2010Talk 18:52, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Done: duplicate of Optare Versa buses in the United Kingdom. --MB-one (talk) 21:01, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference between Category:Motor scooters and Category:Scooters? They share the same item in Wikidata (D:Q193234) and consequently the same photo appears in the Wikidata infobox in both categories, as well as the same links to Wikipedias (bottom left). So, can both categories be merged in Commons as well? Otherwise, can there be definitions that clearly show the difference between these two? JopkeB (talk) 13:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Merging is not the good solution. Indeed, the "Scooters" category and subcategories are not OK now, as these contain very different vehicle types that only share part of their name in English, not in other languages. Wikimedia Commons is not an English dictionary, the DIVISION in categories should be based on the physical appearances of the vehicles: small/large, saddle or not... Secondly, the presence or absence of an electric motor should not be the first criterium to make categories, so "kick scooters" also contain the electric variant.
- "Scooters" should only have a function as disambiguation page between Motor scooters (petrol or electric, large, with saddle) Kick scooters) (electric or human powered, small, without saddle), Mobility scooters (electric, three or four wheels, with chair) etc.
- All content under the "scooter" categories should be recategorized under the correct vehicle types.
- Last week I did already some work on motor scooter sharing systems and (electrical) kick scooter sharing systems, that were totally mixed together and were a real mess.
- The wikidata "motor scooter" item should point only to "Motor scooters", I fixed this. A wikidata "disambiguation" item should point to "Scooters" Dovaere (talk) 13:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Dovaere: I am used to the procedure that the necessary changes are only made after we have come to a conclusion and the discussion has been closed. But you already made a lot of changes according to your own insights, we'll see how this turns out. My answers and comment:
- No, indeed, Commons is not a dictionary, but people do need to know what a category is about, which files should be in it and which not. I think adding a definition (and often also a photo) to a category is the best way to achieve that.
- Before we talk about merging or not merging, let's discuss the concepts: what is in English a 'scooter', what is a 'motor scooter', what should be the term we use on Commons for vehicles like the one on the photo (in Dutch and many other languages just called "scooter"), how should the category structure be, etc.? After there is an agreement about the right terms and definitions, we'll decide what to do next, to make the category structure in accordance with the conclusions.
- My conclusion about your remarks: 'Scooter' would be the umbrella term and therefor the main category or disambiguation page, and 'Motor scooter' should be the name of the category for vehicles like the one on the photo. My comment: In the English Wikipedia it is just the other way around: Motor scooter redirects to Scooter (motorcycle) and Category:Motor scooters is the parent category with Scooter (motorcycle) as a subcategory. Category:Scooters is a parent category of Category:Motor scooters.
- According to Commons:Naming categories#Implementation of the principles the rule is: the English Wikipedia will be the reference for any encyclopedic issue, there is little choice but to use matching English Wikipedia articles as the basis for Commons category names. I could not find that any of the exceptions apply here (though in WP there were two discussions about the name, the WP page has not been renamed).
- So my overall conclusions and suggestions would be:
- The category for vehicles like the one on the photo should be: Category:Scooters (motorcycles).
- It's definition could be: A motorcycle with a step-through frame and a platform for the rider's feet, ridden seated (source: DAP Scooter on EN-WP) OR A motorcycle with an underbone or step-through frame, a seat, and a platform for the rider's feet (source:EN-WP Scooters (motorcycles)).
- It's parent category should be: Category:Motor scooters. It's definition can be simple: Scooters with a motor.
- The parent category of Category:Motor scooters (and of non motor types of scooters) should be Category:Scooters.
- A definition of 'Scooter' can be: A land vehicle with a handlebar, deck and wheels that is propelled either by a rider pushing off the ground or by a motor (adjusted definition from Scooter in the Wiktionary).
- Please give your comment, (other) insights and suggestions and/or let us know whether you agree or do not agree. --JopkeB (talk) 06:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- I did not make changes related to the current proposal of splitting the "Scooters" categories. I wait for all that work for consensus here. I am glad you'll wait for consensus; I will consider the renaming of Category:Scooters in the Netherlands (and perhaps others) as an incident.
- I only made corrections of obvious errors, continuing what I was doing already last week, and of course the categorization in the correct categories (motor scooters, kick scooters) that were there already long before. Dovaere (talk) 06:34, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Please use the word "Motor scooter" as on the English Wikipedia: a "motor scooter" is a kind of motorcycle (or moped/mofa), and does not include "motorized scooters" like electric kick scooters. Dovaere (talk) 06:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC) What do you mean by this remark: @1. Should it not be Category:Scooters (motorcycles) (but this is the name of the English WP article, so I would say this is a save copy) OR @2. Should the definition be adjusted (which are also copies of the English WP) OR @3 Should the parent category has another name (but the category on WP-EN is also Category:Motor scooters)?
- If you change the meaning of "motor scooter" to include also "electric kick scooters", you would introduce a lot of confusion in the English speaking world. And you would bring two vehicle types together that are physically and legally far from each other. Dovaere (talk) 07:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- A solution to the confusion could be adding redirects from "Scooter (motorcycle)" to "Motor scooter" or the other way around (renaming). Yes, redirects are in my standard toolbox when I close discussions, don't worry. Please advice me when we have reach a conclusion.
- A problem with renaming to "Scooter (motorcycle)" is that in most countries "Motor scooters" (everything like on your picture) is subdivided in 3 legal vehicle types: motorcycles, mopeds and mofas. The last two are officially no "motorcycles" in many countries, so adding "motorcycle" in the name will add other confusion. Dovaere (talk) 07:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC) (1) What is the difference between mopeds en mofas? On EN WP Mofa, a small moped or motorised bicycle redirects to Moped. (2) But on the EN-WP there is no confusion, apparently. So why should there be confusion on Commons?
- Look on the English Wikipedia: there the article "scooter" is a disambiguation page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter
- And also there, "motor scooter"/scooter (motorcycle) is a different vehicle type than "motorized scooter"/electric kick scooter Dovaere (talk) 13:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- See my answers and more questions in green. --JopkeB (talk) 10:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- On second thoughts I think now that we should keep Category:Motor scooters and forget about Category:Motor scooters. On EN-WP there was also a discussion about the name, but there was no closing conclusion. And I hope this would also prevent the legal problem as mentioned by Dovaere. --JopkeB (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Conclusions so far
[edit]- Category:Scooters and Category:Motor scooters cannot be merged.
- Category:Scooters should stay as the main category. This category is for all types of scooters: with or without a motor, the ones that are like motorcycles and (electric) kick scooters as well.
- A definition of 'Scooter' can be: A land vehicle with a handlebar, deck and wheels that is propelled either by a rider pushing off the ground or by a motor. Done
- Category:Motor scooters would stay as a subcategory of Category:Scooters. This is the category for the ones like that on the photo.
- Its definition could be: A motorcycle with a step-through frame and a platform for the rider's feet, ridden seated (source: DAP Scooter on EN-WP) OR A motorcycle with an underbone or step-through frame, a seat, and a platform for the rider's feet (source:EN-WP Scooters (motorcycles)). Done
- It might be a good idea to still make a new category Category:Scooter (motorcycle) and immediately redirect it to "Motor scooters". Done
- Its definition could be: A motorcycle with a step-through frame and a platform for the rider's feet, ridden seated (source: DAP Scooter on EN-WP) OR A motorcycle with an underbone or step-through frame, a seat, and a platform for the rider's feet (source:EN-WP Scooters (motorcycles)).
- Category:Kick scooters would stay as a subcategory of Category:Scooters; Category:Motorized kick scooters will stay as one its subcategories, and "Electric kick scooter" thereof as a subcategory.
- Category:Motor scooters would stay as a subcategory of Category:Scooters. This is the category for the ones like that on the photo.
- There should be Wikidata item for "scooter", the overall concept. But that would be a challenge because in the EN-WP it is a Disambig page with a lot of items. Perhaps: "scooter (vehicle)"? Done, see d:Q8718284, was already there.
So the overall conclusion would be: the category structure stays as it is now, add descriptions to the categories and make a new category Category:Scooter (motorcycle) with e a redirect to "Motor scooter". In addition there should be a new Wikidata item for "scooter".
Please give your comment and whether or not you agree.
@DovaModaal: Would you please make a proposal in a new Discussion page if you would like to rearrange and add subcategories to reflect the physical appearances of the vehicles? (Like small/large, saddle or not, the presence or absence of a motor (petrol or electric) or human powered, two, three or four wheels, with or without a chair, etc.) Then we can implement the conclusions so far for the original question of this discussion, and make other changes later on. --JopkeB (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. People interested in this subject area may also have an input to the question at Category talk:Electric motor scooters. ITookSomePhotos (talk) 15:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- There's no problem there, but there seem to be some duplicates regarding electric vs. electrically-powered. Trigenibinion (talk) 17:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
There were no reactions to the "Conclusions so far", so I implement the actions from this conclusions and close the discussion. --JopkeB (talk) 10:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Conclusions: The category structure stays as it is, add descriptions to the categories and make a new category Category:Scooter (motorcycle) with e a redirect to "Motor scooter". See "Conclusions so far" for a full list. These actions have been implemented. --JopkeB (talk) 10:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference between Category:Pillars in the Netherlands and Category:Columns in the Netherlands? For me they look the same, but I am not a structural engineer (like the majority of Common users). Can these two categories have clear definitions in Dutch OR can these two be merged (what I would prefer)? JopkeB (talk) 05:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting. Template:ColumnsPillarsPiers tries to explain the difference between these, piers, and piles, but there seems to be overlap in the definitions of columns and pillars. Here are the architectural defintions from English Wiktionary:
- column: a solid upright structure designed usually to support a larger structure above it, such as a roof or horizontal beam, but sometimes for decoration
- pillar: a large post, often used as supporting architecture
- In addition, Category:Columns in the Netherlands contains images (for example, this one) that appear to better fit the definition of piers, or at least pillars.
- However, I note that on English Wikipedia, pillar redirects to column.
- That's some background info, but maybe not much help. -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, Auntof6, for looking for and mention this information. But I am still confused: the definitions are for me not distinctive enough, the template shows simillar photos for columns and pillars, the Dutch Wikipedia has also only one page for columns and pillars alike, as has the English, as you rightly pointed out. So I hope someone will give more distinctive definitions and/or a photo gallery in which the distinction between the two is clear. (Or gives support to my wish to merge both...) --JopkeB (talk) 12:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello @JopkeB: I think you talking about an old and not yet clearly solfed problem. Both seam to be similiar (there is one Wikipedia article for both and there are similiar explanations on Oxford Dict.) but there is one "difference" mentioned in the template: columns are usually round and made of stone, usually;) So my idea whould be to put the round stone „pillars“ in Category columns and the other pillars in Category pillars (and piers under piers). Regards --W like wiki good to know 01:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, W like wiki, that helps a lot (and so reading the texts in the template better would have, my mistake). So:
- "Columns" should be a subcategory of "Pillars". Definition for Commons: Tall pillars that are round and made of stone, either supporting part of the roof of a building or standing alone as a monument.
- "Pillars" should be the parent category. Definition for Commons: Tall upright columns, made of any material and having any shape, used for any purpose.
- "Piers" schould be "Piers (architecture)", with definition: Pillars supporting an arch or a span of a bridge, made of any material and having any shape. So also a subcategory.
- Would this be right? --JopkeB (talk) 11:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, W like wiki, that helps a lot (and so reading the texts in the template better would have, my mistake). So:
- Columns a subcategory of pillars... sounds logically and interesting. But at the moment we can proof that "only" with the Oxford dictionary. A definition from a second maybe more architecture related source would be helpful!! And sometimes you can read: "Pillars are similar to columns, providing support as vertical compression members, but a pillar's base section can be all shapes — except circular." So in this case columns are not a subcategory of pillars! But a good source or reference for this is missing yet.
- Piers part of pillars, hmm... so you mean simple said: pillars are for any purpose and piers are just those pillars which are supporting arches or bridges, right!? Yes, that is what I meant, JopkeB. Regarding only the function/purpose this hirarchy is maybe right. But regarding the shape it is difficult, because piers could also are walls or a part of a wall with this function but maybe noone call this pillars!? But I am not an English native speaker!! And piers could have other shapes like in the picture right which @Auntof6: mentioned. --W like wiki good to know 13:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- So, there is no connection between the three categories, except for the same parent category Category:Architectural structural elements, in which dozens of others are, while these three are very similar and perhaps overlapping? So all I have are definitions to distinguish them? Did I interpret the definitions well for the photos of this gallery? --JopkeB (talk) 03:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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Columns supporting part of a roof -
Columns - standing alone (monument) -
Pillars supporting a roof -
Pillar - standing alone (sculpture) -
Pier supporting a span of a bridge -
Piles (to be complete)
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- @JopkeB: Yes, that matches exactly with my point of view on this subject. And I also share your idea to group these four similar elements under an own category to separate them from all the other Architectural structural elements. But what is it, what all of these have together? Most of them are vertical elements, but not all of them. Most of them are supporting sthg., but not all of them. So at the moment maybe we have to be satisfaid with the Infobox {{ColumnsPillarsPiers}} which at least "groups" them together a bit. Regards --W like wiki good to know 21:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- PS: As an idea to "group" also Pillars, Columns, Piers in the Netherlands together I added a parameter to the template so that the infobox can now also be used in subcategories of colums, or pillars, etc by using the template with a suffix, e.g.:
{{ColumnsPillarsPiers|suffix=in the Netherlands}}(proposal: →here). --W like wiki good to know 22:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, W like wiki. Which are not vertical elements? I would propose Category:Vertical architectural elements.
- Thanks for the proposal about the template and your efforts to implement it, but I had in mind to make a description in Dutch and make use of the gallery above and the sharper definitions we made here, especially since the template was not clear enough to me.
- --JopkeB (talk) 04:17, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- But actually things like Category:Vertical transport are also not completely vertical, so maybe Category:Vertical architectural elements would be ok. Probably categories like Category:Facades, Category:Walls, Category:Gables, Category:Pilotis, Category:Obelisks and probably some more should than also be integrated in this category!? --W like wiki good to know 14:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, W like wiki, for your research and opinions. I now agree with you that not all piers are straight vertical and I hope indeed that they still may fit in Category:Vertical architectural elements as well. So Category:Vertical architectural elements it will be. And I'll add all the other ones you mentioned and shall also add Category:Chimneys. I'll wait another two weeks to see whether someone else has another opinion, and then implement the changes.--JopkeB (talk) 11:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea @JopkeB: and if you do so we should also think about a Category:Horizontal architectural elements which both could be grouped under Category:Architectural elements by direction. --W like wiki good to know 12:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea. But I leave the horizontal stuff to someone else. --JopkeB (talk) 09:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea @JopkeB: and if you do so we should also think about a Category:Horizontal architectural elements which both could be grouped under Category:Architectural elements by direction. --W like wiki good to know 12:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Columns: tall upright structures that are round and made of stone, either supporting roofs of buildings or standing alone as a monuments.
- Pillars: tall upright structures, often used as supporting architecture, made of any material and having any shape (except for round stone ones), used for any purpose.
- Piers: pillars supporting an arch or a span of a bridge, made of any material and having any shape; pillar's base section can have all shapes, except circular.
- There will be a new Category:Vertical architectural elements that groups together them, and also will include other, similar structures.
I'll make the changes in the involved main categories and make the new category. --JopkeB (talk) 09:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
This discussion has been continued on Commons:Categories for discussion/2022/11/Category:Columns. --JopkeB (talk) 14:10, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Seems to be indistinguishable from Category:Death of Elizabeth II Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- I’m the creator and I’m fine either way. Adeletron 3030 (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and merge contents into Category:Death of Elizabeth II. I agree this category appears to be an unnecessary additional step. Sionk (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Both Chicago and Minneapolis have their own Music Box Theatres. Even though they are smaller venues, I suggest it is confusing that Category:Music Box Theatre is not a disambiguation page, that points to Category:Music Box Theatre (Chicago), Category:Music Box Theatre (Minneapolis), Category:Music Box Theatre (NYC), and any other Music Box Theatres. Geo Swan (talk) 02:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- This sounds like a good idea to me. My suggestion would be to go ahead and do it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:02, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- I support making this a dab, and if necessary creating a new category for the theatre shown here. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
This category is empty. Motacilla (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Found it redirected to Category:Ships named Shenandoah. Multichill (talk) 14:08, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Empty category. Can this category be deleted/removed? If no: what is the purpose of this category, why should it exist? JopkeB (talk) 06:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- As of right now, the category has this file in it. Still, I don't know what the purpose is, either. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:04, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Auntof6 for your reaction. I moved this discussion to Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2022/11#What is Category:Food pictures to move about?. JopkeB (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete If no one who was involved can explain its usage, move the image to Category:Food so that people who monitor the main category can move it appropriately. This just hides it inside another category with an indefinite purpose. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:42, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Conclusions from Village pump discussion
[edit]- It is probably:
- An odd category to plan out later moves by User:JuTa, who did not response to any ping or alert
- with the same function as the "Unidentified x" categories.
- Suggestions to solve this:
- Redirect to Category:Unidentified food.
- Delete it.
Because "better to be save than sorry" I choose for a redirect and move the file to Category:Unidentified food. --JopkeB (talk) 05:42, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
This category probably is meant to contain files to be categorized later. The category has got a redirect to Category:Unidentified food and the file has been moved there too. --JopkeB (talk) 05:42, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Problematic and old (over 3 weeks) requested move:
Nominator's (user:W like wiki) rational: this category to be moved to category:Triangular objects, because: "obviously the same". Date: 7 August 2022 Estopedist1 (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Support, all delta-shaped objects are triangle-shaped, so these two things are largely synonymous. Chiolite (talk) 07:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
@Estopedist1 and Chiolite: Closed (no objection) Josh (talk) 21:53, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Renaming of category and its subcategories Ma▀▄Ga 16:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
This category (and corresponding subcategories) should be renamed from SOKO aircraft to Soko aircraft. The name of company was Soko (translated falcon), not SOKO.-- Ma▀▄Ga 16:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support but this should start at the top of the company category tree: Category:SOKO > Category:Soko (company) Josh (talk) 18:25, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment Due to the existence of the singer Category:Soko, should do the following:
- Rename Category:SOKO aircraft to Category:Soko aircraft (including rename of children that use SOKO to Soko)
- Rename Category:SOKO to Category:Soko (company)
- Rename Category:Soko to Category:Soko (singer)
- Redirect Category:SOKO to Category:Soko
- Dab Category:Soko
- Josh (talk) 18:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner, I agree. Ma▀▄Ga 14:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
@MaGa: Closed (no objection) Josh (talk) 01:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Maybe "(Dresden)" should be added to this not unique placename? Enhancing999 (talk) 10:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Seevorstadt (Dresden) is ok for me. --sk (talk) 10:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
@Enhancing999 and Stefan Kühn: Closed (no objections) Josh (talk) 02:08, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Comment @Stefan Kühn: please do not go ahead and make significant changes such as this while a CfD is still open. Once consensus is reached (including a situation like this with no objections after at least 2 weeks), you can close the CfD properly and effect the appropriate changes. If you feel a CfD is ready to conclude but are not comfortable closing it yourself, ping myself or another frequent CfD contributor and we can close it. Thanks! Josh (talk) 02:08, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Redirect Category:Women's studies academics to Category:Women's studies scholars. We don't have other disciplines divided into those who have peer-revieed publications and those who don't, or those with faculty positions or not. Themightyquill (talk) 09:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
@Themightyquill: Closed (no objections) Josh (talk) 06:34, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Wrong name, the right name is WikiClubs Wilfredor (talk) 19:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Just delete or redirect the category. There doesn't really need to be a discussion about it. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Deleted Multichill (talk) 14:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Why is this category's name honoring Ms Wright's ex-husband? Even when they were married I think I remember she used her maiden name, at least part of the time. Surely the category should be named, simply, Category:Robin Wright? Geo Swan (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Should probably be moved back to Category:Robin Wright (which doesn't exist but has a couple of files in it), with this category left as a redirect. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Superceded by https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Harper%27s_Weekly,_1884 CzarJobKhaya (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Delete easy delete, doesn't fit pattern of other parallel categories. - Jmabel ! talk 15:09, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Deleted Multichill (talk) 13:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
It already exists as Paleontology in Argentina Lmalena (talk) 13:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
@Lmalena: Closed (no objections) Josh (talk) 06:56, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
empty category Bodhisattwa (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Deleted Multichill (talk) 13:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Why is this empty category here? Motacilla (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Created during categorisation of a lot of files in Category:Ships of 9 mrt 2019 22:36. Cannot reproduce which file was intended for this category. Stunteltje (talk) 19:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Deleted Multichill (talk) 13:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
"Berdache" is considered outdated/offensive per the wikipedia page on this subject. If a "Berdache" category is needed for historical media predating the term "Two-Spirit", it ought to be separate from the Two-Spirit category, IMO. Brainy J (talk) 22:37, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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| Consensus | Resolved without objection | |||
| Actions |  Rename Category:Two-Spirit/Berdache to Category:Two-spirit | |||
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| Closed by | Josh (talk) 07:26, 19 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
Can please somebody add a description text on what this category is about?! Jochen Burghardt (talk) 15:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Jochen Burghardt if you see e.g. File:Misfit (26618548750).jpg then you get the point of this category, but not sure the current category name is good Estopedist1 (talk) 05:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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- Thanks, I'm sorry that my English isn't very good.
- @Estopedist1 exactly as you bring File:Misfit (26618548750).jpg, I think it is the symbolic typical photo of "Different one only". --Benzoyl (talk) 20:02, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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| Consensus | Resolved by consensus | |||
| Actions | add description to Category:Different one only | |||
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| Closed by | Josh (talk) 07:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
What is the difference with Category:Playing fields? According to English Wikipedia a game court is another name for playing field. Can these two categories be merged? I would prefer Category:Sports fields as the new name for the merged categories. For me, as a not native English speaker, that would be most clear (though that would be a lot of work). But Playing fields is clear enough also. JopkeB (talk) 10:06, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Proposed descriptions (derived from https://hinative.com/questions/7743089):
- A (game) court has a man-made hard floor surface for playing sports like tennis, badminton and basketball.
- A (playing) field is a flat area of grass that can be used for athletics, soccer and other sports that usually are being played on grass.
- Are these acceptable descriptions for the Commons categories involved?
- If yes, then it would mean that both categories will stay, get these descriptions and their files will be judged (by me or others) on these criteria.
--JopkeB (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Since there were no reactions at all, I presume these proposed descriptions are acceptable for Commons and I'll implement them as proposed.
Done --JopkeB (talk) 07:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Both categories may stay as they are because there are differences, see Proposed descriptions above. --JopkeB (talk) 05:32, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Why does this empty category exist? Motacilla (talk) 20:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Presumably because it used to have content, which was then deleted. Why not upload some? There are photos around, and at >140 years old, they're clear for copyright. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:01, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Deleted empty category. Multichill (talk) 13:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Instead of the abbreviation GDP, it should be called Gross domestic product charts (in plural) GeorgHH • talk 16:33, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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| Consensus | Resolved without objection | |||
| Actions | Rename Category:GDP chart to Category:Gross domestic product charts | |||
| Participants | ||||
| Closed by | Josh (talk) 06:48, 27 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
Löschen Category:Hertigswalder Straße 28 (Sebnitz) Rigorius (talk) 17:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- You can add
- {{bad name|Hertigswalder Straße 28 Sebnitz}}
- to the page or
- {{category redirect|Hertigswalder Straße 28 Sebnitz}}
- Looking at Category:Hertigswalder Straße, Sebnitz, it seems that both formats are used.
- Personally I find "Category:Hertigswalder Straße 28 (Sebnitz)" preferable to Category:Hertigswalder Straße 28 Sebnitz. Enhancing999 (talk) 14:57, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
@Rigorius and Enhancing999: This one appears like it was resolved (or at least the CfD tags removed) at the time, but not closed correctly, so closing now to remove from backlog. Josh (talk) 16:35, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Problematic and old (over 3 weeks) requested move:
Nominator's (user:Closeapple) rational: this category to be moved to category:Busse Woods, because: "most common name is Busse Woods, even on official site: see https://fpdcc.com/places/locations/busse-woods/ ". Date: 2022-04-04
We usually follow enwiki, hence this category should be named as Category:Ned Brown Forest Preserve Estopedist1 (talk) 06:31, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support
We usually follow enwiki
Not really. Commons is a different project and what works for Wikipedia often doesn't work here. So in that vain this should be renamed to Category:Busse Woods per the official site. And most search results BTW, which seem to still come up as "Busse Woods" when you search Google for "Ned Brown Forest Preserve" despite what it's called by Wikipedia. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC) - Rename category to Category:Busse Woods . Ned Brown Forest Preserve is an administrative defined territory which likely does not exactly match the boundaries of the wood. Conflating the two can lead to misrepresentation of what the contents are actually depicting. Josh (talk) 22:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- May be a side topic: Where did the original page of my own nomination go? It doesn't even show up in search. --Closeapple (talk) 00:41, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Renamed per above. -- CptViraj (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Speedrunning. Speedrunning is the name of the field at large. If the category is named "Speedruns", it sounds like it contains media related to specific runs that have been done; but in fact, the category is about speedrunning as a whole. IagoQnsi (talk) 02:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – Sounds like a very reasonable rename, I could even imagine (someday or hypothetically) a subcategory "speedruns" consisting entirely of videos. ~Mable (chat) 06:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - per nom. – Pbrks (t • c) 02:52, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Renamed per nomination. -- CptViraj (talk) 17:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
This seems like a random collection of images showing people embracing. It's not clear that the couples depicted consist of adults and/or teenagers, or even what the scope of the category is (adult/teenager couples? couples that are either adults or teenagers?). If this is a user's personal category, it should be renamed to reflect that and tagged as a user category. Auntof6 (talk) 04:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete title also wrongly capitalised. RZuo (talk) 20:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Deleted per nomination. -- CptViraj (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
There is already Category:Grottes des Espélugues that should be renames Category:Grotte des Espélugues SanctumRosarium (talk) 18:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Withdrawn, user redirected the existing category by themselves. -- CptViraj (talk) 06:09, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Problematic and old (over 3 weeks) requested move:
Nominator's (user:Crouch, Swale) rational: this category to be moved to category:Hollywood, Los Angeles, because: "ambiguity". Date: 2022-03-22. Also notifying user:Saga City (redirect creator) Estopedist1 (talk) 06:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support for DAB, per enwiki solution en:Hollywood Estopedist1 (talk) 06:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support w:Category:Hollywood is also a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:30, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support But I'd go with Category:Hollywood, California as no one IRL revers to it as category:Hollywood, Los Angeles even if it's technically correct. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Rename category to Category:Hollywood, California . @Crouch, Swale and Estopedist1: Any objection to using California vs. Los Angeles? It does not seem there is any real opposition to a rename, so it would be good to close this one. Josh (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with that as it seems to be the only place in California but note the Wikipedia article uses "Los Angeses". Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Done: moved per consensus. The category will be made into a disambig once bot moves out the images. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 03:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
The move from "Rovno amber" was incorrect. "Rivne amber" is barely used [1], while "Rovno amber" is overwhelmingly the name used in academic literature for this amber [2] I get that in Ukraine right now that there is a strong urge to "de-russify" names, which I sympathise with for obvious reasons, but that doesn't overrule the fact that the names for commons categories in English, and that the most recognisable name should be chosen for the category. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose False thought. Сorrect city Rivne, Rivne Oblast and all categories, also Rivne amber. Academic literature for Rovno in books mainly from Soviet Union and russia, also russian and prorussian scientists. In Russia, the city Rivne is still written Rovno. So it turns out that the city Rivne should be renamed to Rovne, because that's how the russians write it? No. This false thought! This nomination looks like a pro-russian provocation. --Микола Василечко (talk) 18:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)- Support move back, the literature is not "pro-russian", its academically sourced from the most frequently used term. There is notably more use of "Rovno Amber" then "Rivne amber" De-russification MUST BE DONE AS THE SOURCES CHANGE, not as an arbitrary move by a non-expert actively claiming malicious enforcement of an anti-ukrainian bias.--Kevmin § 21:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Rovno Oblast was a name from russian (press from russians also in Ukraianian language) to russify all in Ukraine, including western Oblasts of Ukraine. and what we have now? If using Rovno amber as a term, then translate into Ukrainian we should keep the logic of source language (worldwide English) and, as a result we would have another Ровно янтарь in Ukrainian, i.e. double russification. there is a strong urge to "de-russify" names No, the name of town were renamed before, now it's time for a term to adjust the reality--Albedo (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- The reality is that "Rivne Amber" is NOT what the material is called, this is the same reason that amber from Myanmar is still called "Burmese amber". Commons follows reliable sourcing, it doesn't make changes that are not backed by sources.--Kevmin § 18:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support move back. I realize that anti-Russian feelings are running very high right now among Ukrainians, and for entirely justifiable reasons, but the English-language literature almost all refers to "Rovno amber", so that is what we should use. Category:Rivne is fine, by the way. - Jmabel ! talk 19:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support move back per @Hemiauchenia, @Kevmin, @Jmabel. Is it time to close this? -- Ooligan (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I think it is pretty clear that "Rovno amber" is the normal English-language usage, so that's the category name (with a redirect from "Rivne amber"). If, in the future, someone has evidence that common English-language usage has change, please feel free to reopen this. - Jmabel ! talk 21:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Which one should we use? "Odesa" or "Odessa" A1Cafel (talk) 03:14, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Could you explain what the issue is here? Category:Odessa redirects to Category:Odesa. Category names here are generally supposed to be in English, and English Wikipedia uses en:Odesa. Those seem to indicate that things are as they should be. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- I can see both spelling were being used in the sub-category of this. I think we should harmonize the name to avoid any confusion. --A1Cafel (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Category:Odesa and this should be carried through the sub-cats as well. Josh (talk) 07:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Support Category:Odesa and sub-cats per @Joshbaumgartner.
- Ooligan (talk) 05:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- I can see both spelling were being used in the sub-category of this. I think we should harmonize the name to avoid any confusion. --A1Cafel (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Since there are unanimous support for the spelling "Odesa" with a single S, and there are no reason to support the spelling "Odessa" with double S, I have closed the discussion as move the subcats spelled "Odessa" with double S to the spelling "Odesa" with a single S. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:01, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Misspelled/engrish title, “cowgirl” and “woman on top” are the same thing. Should be deleted without redirecting. Dronebogus (talk) 07:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Done — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbawden (talk • contribs) 08:44, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Replaced by 3 other categories Beethoven9 (talk) 13:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: deleted as empty. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 03:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Duplicated - Category:Jean-Charles François WideAngleEyes (talk) 04:26, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: already redirected. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 03:52, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
I have just nominated the photo for deletion, and the category also should be deleted. No Wikipedia article and no independent verifiability of any notability or even that he was/is a "writer/comedian." Keystone18 (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- If the file is deleted then this can just be deleted as empty anyway without CFD. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Will do that now. Just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything. Thanks. Keystone18 (talk) 22:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Deleted on 22. Sep. 2023 by Jmabel. GeorgHH • talk 13:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
delete, my typo Kareyac (talk) 06:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Category redirect to Category:Moshaghbyur GeorgHH • talk 15:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
This category should be deleted because it's been relocated and is now empty. Denniscabrams (talk) 18:22, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Keep per COM:CATRED: synonym. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Redirected GeorgHH • talk 14:03, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
To be renamed to "Category:History of Langres", please NearEMPTiness (talk) 06:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Just select "move" at Category:Histoire de Langres Enhancing999 (talk) 13:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, done. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 07:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Moved by the nominater, uncontroversial. -- CptViraj (talk) 05:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
See also: Category talk:Union Jack. Problematic (?) and old (over three weeks) requested move:
Nominator's (user:ITookSomePhotos) rational: this category to be moved to category:National flag of the United Kingdom (Union Jack), because: "Please see discussion at Commons:Help_desk/Archive/2022/08#National_flag_of_the_United_Kingdom". Date: 2022-08-20 Estopedist1 (talk) 14:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose move to Category:National flag of the United Kingdom (Union Jack), as the (Union Jack) dab portion is superfluous. I get that it was suggested to help identify that the Union Jack is an alternative name for it, but () are for necessary dab info, not listing additional alternate names (we would go crazy trying to satisfy that if we went that way with category names). There is only one Category:National flag of the United Kingdom so it does not need disambiguation. Josh (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rename category to Category:National flag of the United Kingdom (no dab in name), which is currently a redirect, and instead redirect Category:Union Jack to Category:National flag of the United Kingdom. This also would affect all child categories. Josh (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- I would support moving to Category:National flag of the United Kingdom as preferable to the arrangement that we presently have. If this is done, we could mention the very common alternative name "Union Jack" in the blurb at the top of the category page. ITookSomePhotos (talk) 13:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rename category to Category:National flag of the United Kingdom (no dab in name). Count me in on the rename. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 20:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
There's a consensus to rename the category to National flag of the United Kingdom without any disambiguator. The files in the category can be moved manually using Cat-a-lot. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
To rename, consider renaming to Category:Camilla, Queen Consort of the United Kingdom. I am willing to do it by myself but want others to consider it. Curlyrnd (talk) 12:45, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose The title of the article should be kept as is. It is following the pattern of other current consort queens.
- Category:Queen Máxima of the Netherlands
- Category:Queen Silvia of Sweden
- Category:Queen Mathilde of Belgium
- Category:Queen Rania of Jordan
- Category:Queen Masenate Mohato Seeiso of Lesotho
- Category:Queen Sonja of Norway
Different from this there is only the one of Queen Letizia of Spain that needs to be moved and the history must be merged.
Minerva97 (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- This category should be moved to Camilla, Queen Consort. The move discussion as finished at English Wikipedia and is going to be moved to Camilla, Queen Consort. CookieMonster755 (talk) 01:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Category needs no renaming. As it is with other queen consorts, there wouldn't be any confusion.--Htm (talk) 20:54, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose The Commons is not bound by a decision for a single Wikipedia entry. The consistency with categories on other queens should be maintained. Keivan.fTalk 04:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Oppose. As other Queens. She is married with the King, no confusion visible. --Htm (talk) 05:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
| This category discussion has been closed. | ||||
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| Consensus | Keep as is | |||
| Actions | None | |||
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| Notes | There's no consensus to change the category name at this time. | |||
| Closed by | --Adamant1 (talk) 00:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
Appears to be a tracking category for a problem that doesn't exist. All icons that had been in it had white fills within the image, and did have transparent backgrounds. Useddenim (talk) 05:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Done: by Didym. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 14:41, 11 January 2025 (UTC)