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Odd category. We don't have Category:English-speaking people by ethnicity, Category:French-speaking people by ethnicity or Category:German-speaking people by ethnicity. Suggest merging to Category:Bengali people by occupation. Sbb1413 (he) (talkcontribsuploads) 11:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also: [[:Category:French-speaking people by occupation]] and [[:Category:Ukranian-speaking people by occupation]]. Allforrous (talk) 13:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See also: [[:Category:Chinese-speaking people by occupation]]. Allforrous (talk) 13:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Allforrous: Sorry, my mistake while copying and pasting category names. Thank you for pointing it out. --Sbb1413 (he) (talkcontribsuploads) 16:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Empty category 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 05:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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فیلم سیگسی 5.134.172.37 21:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Not done - not a meaningful request. (The user appears to be searching for a "sexy film".) Omphalographer (talk) 02:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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complete overlap with Category:Censuses in Prussia. We dont need both. Rathfelder (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The Category:Censuses in Prussia should be kept. The Category:Prussian Censuses should be deleted. Vluebben (talk) 18:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've boldly emptied it and asked for deletion. I dont think this is controversial. Rathfelder (talk) 20:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted as empty.-- Túrelio (talk) 21:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also the following categories:

empty category Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liuxinyu970226: If you want to discuss multiple categories of the same kind for the same reason, please just start a single CFD that contains all of them. Instructions on how to do so can be found at the top of COM:CFD. You just started 37 topics on Verdy's talk page where it really could've been 1 or even 0 (as empty categories can be speedily deleted). ReneeWrites (talk) 12:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thx, got it. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete all such Unicode regional indicator categories which don't correspond to any flag images. There's absolutely no reason to have all 26 x 26 = 676 categories for indicator combinations which don't have any assigned meaning like .JQ or .WC.
Additionally, delete Category:Emoji flag sequences by initial symbol, Category:Emoji flag sequences by final symbol, and their 52 children. Subcategorizing these sequences by the individual letters they're made up of (e.g. "initial symbol U" and "final symbol S" for Category:U+1F1FA-1F1F8 = "US") doesn't aid navigation. Omphalographer (talk) 02:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merged the other CFD's into this one.  Speedy delete as they're empty ReneeWrites (talk) 13:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need categories like Category:U+1F1F9-1F1E9 (currently not empty)?
 ∞∞ Enhancing999 (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They're categories that contain the same emoji across different series. This category has a bit more stylistic variety: Category:U+1F1E8-1F1F3, and for a couple of non-flag examples, see Category:U+1F31E or Category:U+1F60A. I don't think the categories that are in use need to be CfD'd. ReneeWrites (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done: the originally requested categories. Category:Emoji flag sequences by initial symbol and Category:Emoji flag sequences by final symbol should be discussed seperately. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JoydipBarmankd renamed Category:Burdwan Town School to this category name, which is absurd as it is about a physical school and not a template for schools. Sbb1413 (he) (talkcontribsuploads) 03:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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This category is entirely duplicative of Category:Causeway Pedestrian and Cyclist Bridges. This category should be deleted and the other category moved to Category:Boorloo Bridge. Steelkamp (talk) 02:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Ambivalent I almost renamed Category:Causeway Pedestrian and Cyclist Bridges myself instead of adding Category:Boorloo Bridge as a parent to Category:Causeway Pedestrian and Cyclist Bridges. In the end I didn’t because the images were taking when Category:Causeway Pedestrian and Cyclist Bridges was the name of the structure, so it seemed like a natural way of subcategorising the images. I don’t oppose your proposal. I suspect there will be many pictures of this bridge, having a folder with thousands of images isn’t useful. Another idea would be to rename Category:Causeway Pedestrian and Cyclist Bridges to Category:Boorloo Bridge under construction. Elrondil (talk) 03:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Naming it Category:Boorloo Bridge under construction would be a good idea. Its still the same bridge, regardless of any rename, so using the original name doesn't really make too much sense. Steelkamp (talk) 03:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is consensus then 😀. Rename Category:Causeway Pedestrian and Cyclist Bridges to Category:Boorloo Bridge under construction. Nice! Elrondil (talk) 05:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Steelkamp: Will you do the honours? Elrondil (talk) 05:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure Steelkamp (talk) 08:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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What is this category meant to be? A particular chain called "Clam Shack" or just "clam shacks" in general (in which case "shacks" should not be capitalized). Either way, I don't think Category:Ivar's Acres of Clams, which is a moderately upmarket sit-down restaurant belongs here (though if its a generic category, not a brand, his chain of "fish bar" fast food places would probably belong here).) Jmabel ! talk 01:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no expert on seafood, but it seems we have categories for sushi restaurants, crab restaurants, fish restaurants so a category for clam restaurants would be equally justified, I'd think. Maybe they all need a parent category of "Seafood restaurants by specialty" or such? - Kzirkel (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kzirkel: you created the category. May I read between the lines of your reply here and presume that you did not mean to capitalize "Shacks", and this category name is not a proper noun? - Jmabel ! talk 18:32, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly right. - Kzirkel (talk) 01:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems clear now that this was intended to be Category:Clam shacks (no capital on "shacks"), where I will move it; also, that Ivar's Acres of Clams doesn't belong here. - Jmabel ! talk 01:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It is not surname, but given name. Kokage si (talk) 12:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, if you say so, I agree. I am out of commons for some time, so please correct the error for me, thanks JotaCartas (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing: will move category. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Duplicate of Category:Southern Nations, Nationalities, and Peoples' Region; no files nor pages herein. Might be better to keep this as a redirect; for some reason it was already on my watchlist, so I am thinking this may have happened before (I don't have access to see deleted edits, if any). Gyrofrog (talk) 17:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Closing: category redirected. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reasons for discussion request: duplicated with Category:Gare de Neuilly - Porte Maillot (and the category I want to delete was wrongly named) --Remontees (talk) 00:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not a redirect? (the same one used with renames)Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ DoneSmiley.toerist (talk) 10:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing -- cat was redirected. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Closing -- category renamed, redirect left behind. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This category should be deleted, since a similar one is already in use Jag9889 (talk) 10:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bridges over the Aubonne river. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it into a redirect, I saw someone else had already emptied the category of whatever was in there. You can probably get this speedily deleted if you want with {{Bad name}}, seeing as you created the category only 2 days ago. ReneeWrites (talk) 22:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing: category was redirected. Leaving redirect. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Everything in this time period is copyrighted and unfree. No point having a category that you can’t put stuff in. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have also nominated EVERY file in this category for deletion as well. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]



@Hurricane Clyde: I'm going to close this for now. You can make a new request after the files are gone. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Inappropriate content Wikan Boy 123 (talk) 02:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commons is not censored. Lukas Beck (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: not a valid reason, trolling. --Bedivere (talk) 19:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexually explict Wikan Boy 123 (talk) 07:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commons is not censored. Lukas Beck (talk) 13:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: not a valid reason, trolling. --Bedivere (talk) 19:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexually explicit Wikan Boy 123 (talk) 07:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commons is not censored. Lukas Beck (talk) 13:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: not a valid reason, trolling. --Bedivere (talk) 19:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Partially expclit Wikan Boy 123 (talk) 07:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commons is not censored. Lukas Beck (talk) 13:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: not a valid reason, trolling. --Bedivere (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Actionsrename from Category:井上貴博 (政治家) to Category:Takahiro Inoue
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No one objects, so I rename to Category:Takahiro Inoue. --Taro2968332 (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We might want to keep this for some time for cleanup purposes, given that the user created many "user" categories for people who may not want them, but in general, I don't think categories should be categorized by the user who created them.
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 Keep It's unconventional (I don't think anyone else has a category of categories they created), but I don't see the harm in it either. Earlier I made an argument for ownership of one's own user space, and I extend that to this category as well. The user categories don't have to be deleted, just the ones that are unwanted, but they do need to have a usercat template and be re-categorized. Mdd has had a tendency to treat user categories as regular subcategories and removes the "parent" topic categories, so those would have to be re-applied. ReneeWrites (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we deleted somebody else's similar category not too long ago.
 ∞∞ Enhancing999 (talk) 17:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know where I can read up on that discussion? ReneeWrites (talk) 17:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems harmless if Mdd wants to track it. Obviously, a user category rather than topical, but we tend to let people do what they want with user categories related to their own work. - Jmabel ! talk 01:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete Instead add better support to see one's created categories like some search operator (see phab:T188125 which is related). Moreover, the category is misleading since it's incomplete. The categories created by a user can be seen using Quarry, see Quarry:query/88374 for many created by this user, many of which are not in the category. However, this query doesn't show all categories created by the user either and depends on some specific edit summary. So I think categories like this one (there are a few more like it) should only be deleted once the query has been adjusted to check whether the edit is a page creation and the page in namespace category instead of using less reliable ways. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, nobody else does it, but that doesn't mean that it goes against a rule.
  •  Keep, while it's certainly unique, I don't see anything wrong with this. As long as it doesn't turn into some weird obsession where they would speedy delete a category only to re-create it later to somehow try to get a higher count, this could be something they see as a good way to count and track the amount they have contributed to the Wikimedia Commons. Just because it's idiosyncratic doesn't mean that it's wrong, if they take pride in their categorisation creations then it's something that they should be able to feel pride with. My main issue with them isn't their category creations, rather it's their odd deletions which they masquerade as "clean up's". Also, this is simply a way to showcase their contributions to this project, it's not like they claim ownership over any of the categories they've created. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 04:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Users can use watchlists or pages in their user page as @User:Watchduck suggested earlier this year.
I think others were deleted. Not sure why this one was missed. And yes, it being idiosyncratic isn't compatible with our educational or informational approach.
 ∞∞ Enhancing999 (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Donald Trung: I have cropped the pic at the right to remove copyrighted elements. Sbb1413 (he) (talkcontribsuploads) 11:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Weak delete Per Prototyperspective. These kinds of categories are probably fine in theory. I don't really see how they are actually useful though. Let alone would something like this even be accurate beyond a few users with a small amount of edits either given how easily categories can be created and deleted on here. There's really no point in something like this if it only works for a couple of users and/or use cases. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Empty category, no sources and no corresponding articles providing evidence of notability or even just existence. Likely hoax category, created by banned User:Kriestovo Nysian socks. Fut.Perf. 14:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


✓ Done: CSD C2. --The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 19:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Most Commonwealth countries are using "Embassies and high commissions of X", while other countries are using "Embassies of X", which goes against the Universality Principle, which suggests using the same term across categories. I understand that embassies between Commonwealth countries are called "high commissions" because they don't want to see themselves as "foreign", and the term "embassies" imply foreignness. But this is not what Commons wants to deal with. We want to make sure that users can navigate to appropriate categories easily, which works best if all categories of a given topic follow a consistent name, following the spirit of the Universality Principle. Sbb1413 (he) (talkcontribsuploads) 14:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Should add hyphen to the category name: Category:Threshold of originality-related deletion requests. This should also apply to all subcategories under its helm.

Per this, "work related" is a compound adjective and whether or not you should use a hyphen depends on where it is located in the sentence.  Once again, if it appears before the word it modifies, include a hyphen. As threshold of originality modifies the word "deletion request", it is appropriate to add hyphen. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contributions) 02:43, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


✓ Done: Per nomination. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Although we usually put this category and its subcats under Category:Transport and its subcats, the problem is that vehicles are not always used for transport, and many well-known vehicles are used for recreational or sporting purposes not related to transport, for example Air shows (use aircraft), Automobile racing (uses cars), Cycling (sport) (uses bikes), and Motorcycling (uses motorbikes). So the parent category of Category:Vehicles should be Category:Travel, not Category:Transport, as vehicles are used for travelling (i.e. going from one place to another) after all, whether for transport, for recreation, or for sports. Sbb1413 (he) (talkcontribsuploads) 03:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Revert recent move by removing disambiguation, match en:KSI. Disambiguation of rapper is not the best, betters ones include musician, YouTuber, entertainer, etc. Sahaib (talk) 23:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Reasons for discussion request: duplicated with Category:BLS RABe 528 --Remontees (talk) 17:27, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, BLS RABe 528 covers all, at the moment. Gürbetaler (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]



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As well as the following categories:

I'd like to discuss user categories created by someone else, against the wishes of the person they represent. Current Commons policy works under the assumption that user categories are created by the same person they represent, so there's usually no problem to have them modified or deleted. These categories were not created by Donald Trung however, and their creation wasn't discussed with him beforehand. This isn't inherently a problem, but when he has let it know he's not happy with these categories and doesn't want them, it starts being one - to what extent does he have the right to (re)move files in these categories and have these categories deleted when there's a second person involved? Commons policy isn't clear on this.

I think people should have ownership over their own user space, provided it complies with established Commons policy, and Commons policy could be a bit more clear on this. I also think it's best if other people generally stay out of it unless it's for things like uncontroversial maintenance edits. Once larger, more structural changes get involved (such as making new categories), permission should be obtained first. ReneeWrites (talk) 15:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete all — I always support the ownership of user space, but not user-generated content, and permission should be sought from the user before creating user categories of them by someone else. I have created several user categories of mine to track record of my own works (like Category:Photographs by Sbb1413), and I always use {{User category}} to put such categories under Category:User categories (flat list). But the problem is that {{User category}} does not have an {{Mbox}} that would warn other users that it is a user category. Sbb1413 (he) (talkcontribsuploads) 17:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete unless the user (Donald Trung) wants to keep them.
 ∞∞ Enhancing999 (talk) 17:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Enhancing999: I asked him about it yesterday on his talk page. He didn't get a talk page notification for the above categories because he didn't create them, only the creator gets notified of that. That was not an oversight on my part, I already have his thoughts on the matter and I didn't want to bother him with it further. ReneeWrites (talk) 20:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete: these should not exist unless Donald Trung wants them to, bu some look like they need their files upmerged to topical categories before these are deleted. E.g. presumably everything in Category:Photographs in Delfshaven in 2023 by Donald Trung belongs in Category:2023 in Delfshaven or one of its subcats. - Jmabel ! talk 01:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should revert the move on Category:Dutch municipal elections 2022 in Rotterdam by Donald Trung instead of deleting it. I've upmerged 2023 in Delfshaven and election posters in 2018. Sennecaster (talk) 07:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]



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rename this to a general category Category:Wat Lok Molee at night rather than just my three photos Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 19:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nvm justy doing the merge Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 19:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Immanuelle: Do you want the "by Immanuelle" category deleted? -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]



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