Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/07
- I added {{Speedy}} as it's empty. Category for the person is now at Category:Antonín Mityska. You may want to correct the filenames to, see Commons:File renaming. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Not needed anymore Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 00:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Speedy delete per COM:G7. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Why French?! 186.173.75.147 02:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Move to English per COM:Language policy, "Category names should generally be in English, excepting some of proper names, biological taxa and terms which don't have an exact English equivalent." Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- The category is in French because I am used to putting my categories in French. But I will change it to English. Kod B (talk) 14:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Here is the new category Category:Zouleiha Abzetta Dabonné at the preparation center for the Paris 2024 Games
- I'm listening. Kod B (talk) 14:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- The applouses? 186.173.121.194 15:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Greater Manchester did not exist in the 18th century Rathfelder (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- So true. Will amend accordingly. Ardfern (talk) 14:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- See the CFD of United States in the 16th century (direct link). I had proposed to nuke that category for the same reason. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 03:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Greater Manchester was created in 1974 Rathfelder (talk) 14:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed Ardfern (talk) 15:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- See the CFD of United States in the 16th century (direct link). I had proposed to nuke that category for the same reason. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 03:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Empty category Rathfelder (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete as author request, tagged as such. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Closing: category was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Требуется удалить эту категорию как неактуальную и ошибочную Well-read MountainMan (talk) 09:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete by author‘’s request. - Kareyac (talk) 09:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Closing: category was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete! my typo Kareyac (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Closing: category was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Removal required, my mistake Well-read MountainMan (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Closing: category was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
removal required, there is an older category Category:Old Shenik village Well-read MountainMan (talk) 19:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Closing: category was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Empty category Rathfelder (talk) 13:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:C2. CFD is unnecessary. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted per above, unused orphan category -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Empty category Rathfelder (talk) 21:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:C2. CFD is unnecessary for this case. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: You created this category yourself and soon after you apparently wanted to delete it. Please do not nominate such categories for discussion, but ask for Speedy deletion by using Template:Speedydelete. JopkeB (talk) 10:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I didnt know there was such a template. But it says it is going to be deleted. Rathfelder (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted per above. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Removal required, my mistake Well-read MountainMan (talk) 13:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty, prompt creator request. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
deletion required, my mistake Well-read MountainMan (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty, prompt creator request. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Empty Category - moved all photos to United States photographs taken on 2016-07-03 Mjrmtg (talk) 09:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Empty category, can be deleted. JopkeB (talk) 10:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes, obviously needs to be removed. Acabashi (talk) 09:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:C2. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted per above, empty, apparently malformed attempt to create a photo date category. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Newly created and unlikely to be populated due to incorrect English Sjö (talk) 15:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete - empty categories can be speedily deleted; no need to take it to CFD. Omphalographer (talk) 03:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:C2. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Already deleted. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Unilaterally moved from Category:Penile-vaginal intercourse in art. I suggest reverting to that clear title. Alternative distant second choice would be something like "Works of art depicting penile-vaginal intercourse" which at least would clarify that it is not the penile-vaginal intercourse itself that is rated as a work of art. --Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 01:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why is this a separate CfD from the one you already raised on the same issue? Wouldn't it be best to keep the discussion in on cohesive place? Josh (talk) 01:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pardon, this is the only CfD I've raised for this category move. If there was already another one, I did not see it. Link please? -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are you being purposefully obtuse, or do you really want to handle this one differently than Category:Works of art of women smoking (activity)? Josh (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I act obtusely, it is not deliberate. I was simply calling out what seemed to me badly misnamed categories when I noticed them. The other three seemed a related set, this did not - though I presume you mean to point out that they both share the phrase "Works of art of". That is an interesting observation, and perhaps there should be more discussion of changing categories from the format "X in art" to "Works of art of X" - or if there has already been discussion on that matter I would appreciate a link to it. Returning to the more narrow subject of this particular category name: Please review my original listing above for avoiding apparent obtuseness, or allow me to expand on the point more explicitly: I can easily imagine young lovers after particularly satisfying sex remarking to each other "That was a work of art!". Who are non-participants to second guess their judgement? That is why I offer the alternative formulation "Works of art depicting penile-vaginal intercourse". Cheers, -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 14:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are you being purposefully obtuse, or do you really want to handle this one differently than Category:Works of art of women smoking (activity)? Josh (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pardon, this is the only CfD I've raised for this category move. If there was already another one, I did not see it. Link please? -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I notice @Joshbaumgartner: moved the category back to previous title "Penile-vaginal intercourse in art". If there are no objections, I think this means this CfD can be closed. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 19:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Infrogmation Yep, I am revert remaining cases of 'works of art of' to 'in art'. I will have it done shortly. Josh (talk) 19:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Eigentumer,ehemaliges,,armeegelende 2003:F3:970F:7100:508D:51AC:4269:F15D 14:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- What do you propose to do with this category? Josh (talk) 14:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Not done: (= former army area), nothing to do. --Achim55 (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
removal request, not relevant category Well-read MountainMan (talk) 06:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 10:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
This was created as "Files from Senado Federal Flickr stream", then renamed to "Photographs by the Federal Senate of Brazil".
I'd renamed it to Category:Photographs_by_Agência Senado. Photographs of Category:Agência Senado are not necessarily about the "Federal_Senate_of_Brazil" (or Category:Senado Federal do Brasil). Enhancing999 (talk) 08:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Moved it. It will take a while for the bot to complete the move. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Completed on 31 July 2024.
Empty category Rathfelder (talk) 09:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:C2. CFD is unnecessary for this case. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted per above. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Category had been at "Smoking women in art" since 2010. (Alternative formulation "Women smoking in art" IMO would have been equally ok.) @Joshbaumgartner: unilaterally moved it to "Works of art of women smoking (activity)", as far as I can see without discussion. Very awkward, counter-intuitive name that does not improve usefulness. I suggesting reverting to previous name. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also related cats: Category:Works of art of men smoking (activity), Category:Works of art of adult humans smoking (activity) -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Comment there are a number of CfDs that go into the category fixes going on there. There was a CfD regarding standardizing the arts and related sub-categories, including works of art, to clarify whether a category is about the arts at large, or specifically works. Next, there was a CfD covering the standard terms to use for people of different age and gender combinations (changing things like 'adults' to 'adult humans', etc.) Next, there was a CfD regarding the standard formatting for people doing activities, settled on the activity following the actor in verb form. And of course, the basic Universality Principle has to be applied, so the same term for smoking should be used from the parent category down through the hierarchy. Taken together it makes for a pretty substantial rework in category naming and organization on a particular area such as this where all of those conclusions all come together in one place, so I understand the question, but yes, this is all based on previous conclusions. Josh (talk) 00:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- If there has been other relevant discussion, please link. I'm sorry, the new category name seems exceptionally awkward and unnatural in English and I don't see how this is specifically warranted. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 01:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Infrogmation. "in art" has been our normal way to do this for probably tens of thousands of categories for roughly two decades. Changing something like that should not be done by one person or even a handful of people without notification somewhere like COM:VP that such a discussion is taking place. - Jmabel ! talk 06:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I Agree with Infrogmation and Jmabel: I prefer short and clear category names, even if that conflicts with a Commons principle. Perhaps we should look at the (grand)parent which causes this conflict and rename it (which is it? Because Category:Works of art of adult humans smoking (activity) does not have any valid parent category at all). JopkeB (talk) 08:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Jmabel: That excuse just doesn't hold water. This was a discussion that involved several users with a lot of discussion over the course of multiple years. As a regular CfD participant, you had every opportunity to participate and to solicit further participation by promoting it. Choosing not to participate or promote it only to complain later about not being notified just doesn't hold up--you aren't new to this. Josh (talk) 13:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner: No, I am not particularly a "regular CfD participant" and was completely unaware of that discussion. I probably see about 5% of CfDs, usually because either they are about a category I created or because there was a notification to a page of someone whose user talk page I monitor, usually either because we have had significant interaction in the past or because there is a pending question I am waiting for them to answer.
- I stand by my statement that closing a stale discussion with seven participants and no clear consensus is not a good way to make a decision affecting thousands of categories.
- But beyond that: there is exactly one (tangential) mention of the "in art" construction anywhere in that CfD, and it's not even parallel to the case here: if we were to follow the example of changing Category:Facing forward in art to Category:Facing forward in art works, then the category being discussed here would become Category:Women smoking in art works, not Category:Works of art of women smoking. - Jmabel ! talk 20:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well perhaps you are also unaware that this particular issue has also been resolved, see below, and we are moving forward. I miss lots of CfDs too, I don't whine about not being told about them. Josh (talk) 21:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- See also Commons:Village pump#Works of art of men smoking (activity) --JopkeB (talk) 07:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner Can you provide links to the CFD(s) that had decided to use "works of art" instead of "in art"? While I do support many of your initiatives, I don't like renaming "[topic] in art" to "works of art of [topic]" per above. Although I have also moved some "activity people" categories to "people activity", I have kept the "activity people in art" categories as they are. Even though there was a CFD regarding this topic, we can re-discuss the topic to find the new consensus on artwork categories. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sbb1413 Sure... you can readily find it at Category talk:Art. The bulk of the discussion was probably before you became a regular CfD participant, so you might not have seen it. It seems like we may stick with 'in art', which I think is fine without violating the spirit of that conclusion, so I'll amend that CfD conclusion with a note to that effect once this closes. Josh (talk) 13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to Category talk:Art. However I do not see the phrase "Works of art of" in that page at all, much less any proposal nor agreement to move all "X in art" categories to "Works of art of X". -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 15:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sbb1413 Sure... you can readily find it at Category talk:Art. The bulk of the discussion was probably before you became a regular CfD participant, so you might not have seen it. It seems like we may stick with 'in art', which I think is fine without violating the spirit of that conclusion, so I'll amend that CfD conclusion with a note to that effect once this closes. Josh (talk) 13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner Can you provide links to the CFD(s) that had decided to use "works of art" instead of "in art"? While I do support many of your initiatives, I don't like renaming "[topic] in art" to "works of art of [topic]" per above. Although I have also moved some "activity people" categories to "people activity", I have kept the "activity people in art" categories as they are. Even though there was a CFD regarding this topic, we can re-discuss the topic to find the new consensus on artwork categories. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Agree It should've been "Women smoking in art" (or "Smoking women in art"). The current subcategories for smoking are all incredibly cumbersome. ReneeWrites (talk) 08:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I support "women smoking in art" because (1) it follows the consistent "people activity" pattern, (2) it uses the orthodox "in art" naming, and (3) "(activity)" is unnecessary if "people smoking" clearly refers to an activity. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
These are some separate things coming together, so to summarize:
- Works of art: It sounds like there is a pretty good consensus to keep 'in art' vs. 'works of art of' as a construction, so I agree with that. Let's keep things at 'in art' going forward.
- Adult/Female/Male: There doesn't seem to be any problem with this, so we should keep implementing this going forward.
- Activity verb location: Some users seem used to some categories being in "doing people" format, but not any real problem with consistently adopting a "people doing" format, so we can keep implementing that going forward.
- (activity) dab: There seems to be some legitimate question about whether smoking requires this appelation. I suggest a specific CfD on this question for this topic to determine if it is really required, the result of which will of course be reflected here.
Josh (talk) 12:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- See Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/07/Category:Smoking (activity) for a discussion about dropping the '(activity)' dab as unnecessary. Josh (talk) 13:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have reverted all cases of "works of art of X" to "X in art" as it appears there is no controversy on that point, so might as well get it done. If there is a better way to do it that we agree on in the future, I'll gladly implement that consensus. Josh (talk) 19:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with that decision. Can this discussion now be closed and leave the "(activity)" additive to Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/07/Category:Smoking (activity)? Or is there something else still to discuss here? JopkeB (talk) 07:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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| Consensus | Resolved by consensus | |||
| Actions | Discussion was limited to the phrase "in works of art", consensus was quickly reached that the phrase "in art" is preferred. Categories have been renamed and media has been moved. | |||
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| Notes | Discusson pertaining to the hatnote for "Smoking (activity)" continues here: Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/07/Category:Smoking (activity) | |||
| Closed by | ReneeWrites (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
removal required, category not relevant Well-read MountainMan (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty, prompt request by creator. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
removal request, not relevant category Well-read MountainMan (talk) 19:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty, prompt request by creator. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
removal request, not relevant category Well-read MountainMan (talk) 19:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty, prompt request by creator. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
I'd move Category:Palácio do Itamaraty back to Category:Palácio do Itamaraty (Rio de Janeiro). It's being mixed-up with Category:Itamaraty Palace.
Also, I'd move Category:Itamaraty Palace to Category:Itamaraty Palace (Brasília). I noticed it was clearer at the beginning as it was at Category:Palácio do Itamaraty, Brasília.
A few subcategories would need to be adjusted too. Enhancing999 (talk) 07:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Generally
Support. But why one category name in Portuguese and the other in English? MB-one (talk) 17:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- No strong preference about that, it's the current state. I don't mind changing both to Portuguese. For Brasilia we have File:Brasília - Palácio do Itamaraty 22.jpg for the name. Not sure what's available for Rio. Enhancing999 (talk) 17:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Moved them, now at:
with dabs at Itamaraty Palace, Palácio do Itamaraty and Palácio Itamaraty. Enhancing999 (talk) 08:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
empty: there are no photo of this club taken in 1936, maybe it is a translation error as 1936 is part of the squad name ZandDev (talk) 12:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 15:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/07/Category:Lake Sentarum National Park
This page is a copy by accident, it can safely be deleted Ogidya (talk) 13:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
The result was speedy delete. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Please merge with "Category:Diving in the German Democratic Republic" as that is the correct spelling and this page is redundant because of that. Thanks in advance. 78.152.240.245 22:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Done: Redirected. --Achim55 (talk) 08:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Created by mistake, Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jnanaranjan Sahu You could just add {{Speedy}} to this one and all others you nominated for discussion. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. I will do that. Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 12:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:G7. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Category only has a single file and is overly specific, per Commons:Categories#Simplicity principle. Nosferattus (talk) 03:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, move only file up category tree. Unneeded granularity not helpful. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Created by mistake, Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:G7. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Created by mistake, Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:G7. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Created by mistake, Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Created by mistake, Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete, Created by mistake, Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Please delete, Created by mistake, Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Not needed any more Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Not needed anymore. original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Not needed anymore. Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete, Not needed anymore, original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Not needed anymore. Orogonal creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:G7. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Not needed anymore. Original creator request Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 23:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:G7. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Not needed anymore Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 00:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:G7. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Propose to move to Category:HDI maps, losing the term "location. Reason: these are not what is known in Commons as "location maps". Enyavar (talk) 09:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Move Makes sense. However, abbreviations in the cat title are generally discouraged and not used so I think it would be better if spelled out. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- so move to Category:Human Development Index maps ? Sure. The subcategories are (in my opinion) okay to leave as they are, because the parent category spells it out already. --Enyavar (talk) 09:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done thanks --Enyavar (talk) 11:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Flags of cities of Indonesia Baqotun0023 (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- You could just copy the notice from Flags of regencies and cities of Indonesia. Deletion of one or the other flag needs to be discussed in the DRs. If nothing is left, the category can be speedy deleted as empty. In the meantime, I think this can be closed. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
If there is nothing to more to do, I'm closing this. Enhancing999 (talk) 12:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
What is this? Is my translation in English correct? Is it an independant country, or is it part of Turkey? Where is it located? JopkeB (talk) 10:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I can find no reference to such a republic. Muslim Cretans had abandoned the island by 1909. Laurel Lodged (talk)
- Thanks @Laurel Lodged: , for your research. I'll wait a couple of weeks to see whether there are other opinions. --JopkeB (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
It is now an empty category, so it can be deleted anyway. --JopkeB (talk) 12:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{NoFoP-Italy}} Mazbel (Talk) 23:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- If there is a copyright problem with the images then they need to be nominated for deletion and this will be deleted as empty. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment {{FoP-category}} can be added to the category header for categories likely to attract FoP problems, but @Crouch, Swale is correct, DR is way to handle the files that are a problem. Josh (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
delete, thee are two chapels in Agel, each category should have own name. Kareyac (talk) 10:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted as empty.-- Túrelio (talk) 08:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Common surname. Make this a DAB page or it will be filled with people. 191.125.23.230 22:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Its a DAB on En and even Es. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure if surnames would be an issue, but we already have Category:Aliaga, Nueva Ecija. Enhancing999 (talk) 05:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
-> Category:Russkoye Slovo, only title without "newspaper" word -- Tomasina (talk) 13:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Томасина: Are you proposing
Rename category to Category:Rousskoe slovo ? I see no issue with that. Josh (talk) 14:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- No. Category:Newspaper "Rousskoe slovo" is wrong and empty and should be deleted. Right one is Category:Russkoye Slovo and already exist. The names of Russian topics are usually written as rus but not rous. Please, see also Category:Newspapers of the Russian Empire by name "R" for comparing: Russkiy Sever, Russkiye Vedomosti and so on. -- Tomasina (talk) 09:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Shouldn't this just be Category:Cinzano advertisements? Why the parentheses? Jmabel ! talk 01:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming; standardize. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Renamed. -- CptViraj (talk) 11:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
blank cat Sriveenkat (talk) 17:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per COM:C2. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 03:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- How would C2 apply here? Maybe you misread it. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- This category is "empty and is obviously unusable, unlikely to be ever meaningfully used". It is rather impossible to find free images of Karisma Kapoor in 2011. This might be the reason of the nom's nomination. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's impossible. Nothing really obvious if you look at Category:Karisma Kapoor by year. Time to create the one for 2024. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- This category is "empty and is obviously unusable, unlikely to be ever meaningfully used". It is rather impossible to find free images of Karisma Kapoor in 2011. This might be the reason of the nom's nomination. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- How would C2 apply here? Maybe you misread it. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it's not "obviously unusable" as there are categories for every other year in the decade. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFF. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted: No 2011 files for the subject right now; can be re-created or restored in future if files become available. -- CptViraj (talk) 12:00, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Rename Chorlton Park (ward). There is an actual park called Chorlton Park, with quite a few photoes Rathfelder (talk) 18:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support and create a category for the park its self. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Renamed. @Rathfelder and Crouch, Swale: Can you please handle the creation? Thanks :) -- CptViraj (talk) 12:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm trying to figure out the current name of the building.
At ptwiki this was moved again away from "Nereu Ramos" in 2021 (comment there). It had been moved there in 2016.
- "Agência Senado" uses "Palácio do Congresso Nacional" (2024).
- Local signage has "Palácio do Congresso Nacional" (2014), also a local map (2023).
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Enhancing999 (talk) 11:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Moved. Enhancing999 (talk) 12:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Moved it. The bot should complete the move in a while. Enhancing999 (talk) 13:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Upmerge to Category:People walking. There are no sports files here (if they are added, they should move to Category:People walking in sports), so all files are walking as physical exercise, but People walking as a whole is already in Physical exercises already, so this is redundant. Josh (talk) 22:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner People also walk to go to their destinations, which does not necessarily count as physical exercises. If a coolie carries some load from one end of a railway station to another, he is not exercising. Rather, he is transporting the load from one end to another. See Category:Pedestrian transport. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sbb1413 I understand that but I'm speaking functionally per the hierarchy. Semantically, you may be approaching exercise as being something exclusively done for fitness or such, but that's an artificially limited scope. Regardless of the end reason the person has for walking, the walking itself does constitute exercise, even if fitness may not strictly be the primary purpose of doing it. As a practical matter, even if we did want to parse walking by the primary end goal of the person, most files we have are impossible to ascertain that with any reasonable accuracy. Thus I would still support upmerging. Josh (talk) 09:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner Then I agree with the merge proposal. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sbb1413 I understand that but I'm speaking functionally per the hierarchy. Semantically, you may be approaching exercise as being something exclusively done for fitness or such, but that's an artificially limited scope. Regardless of the end reason the person has for walking, the walking itself does constitute exercise, even if fitness may not strictly be the primary purpose of doing it. As a practical matter, even if we did want to parse walking by the primary end goal of the person, most files we have are impossible to ascertain that with any reasonable accuracy. Thus I would still support upmerging. Josh (talk) 09:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Not only is it usually impossible to ascertain whether a person in a photo is walking for "exercise or sports" or not, but their purpose isn't relevant to the potential use of a photo either. (The child categories could use some cleanup too; many of the categorized images like File:Algae-5313, Dingle Peninsula, Co. Kerry, Ireland.jpg don't have any "walking people" immediately visible in the image - just little specks in the background.) Omphalographer (talk) 16:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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| Consensus | Resolved by consensus | |||
| Actions | Upmerge | |||
| Participants | ||||
| Closed by | Josh (talk) 04:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
The contents of this category are all categories for people who may (or may not) have been involved in controversies, not media about those controversies. A parallel discussion on enwiki concluded that articles on people should not be categorized under "controversies"; the same logic applies here to the categories. --Omphalographer (talk) 03:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This should hold files or subcategories about specific controversies. If there aren't any it can be deleted as empty. The subcategories about persons shouldn't be in there. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Should be deleted. It's a list of pages that were edited by the user who created the category, and it seems unnecessary. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 23:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- The answer is to expand the idea to a large extent to the point of including people who have a large number of categories in a system of arranging and organizing them as an ascending ladder arranged and organized for ease of reading and browsing and to make Wikipedia easy to classify Knowing that all of this takes me a long and painful time but the goal is to spread knowledge. Maryam AlAkini (talk) 11:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the meantime, the user who created the category was globally locked. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if the user wasn't locked, I'd have suggested to copy it as a list to their user namespace. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Change the title to English. 200.39.139.16 15:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Oppose it's an official name and as such unique. Changing the category title would require additional qualifiers like "of Brazil" or similar. MB-one (talk) 16:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- So you will make similar categories for China in Chinese, and for Egypt in Arabic script?! 200.39.139.16 16:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to change policies, you should join the discussion here: Commons talk:Categories. This CfD isn't the right place for that. MB-one (talk) 10:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- So you will make similar categories for China in Chinese, and for Egypt in Arabic script?! 200.39.139.16 16:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There is no requirement to create new English language names for specific local things with clear local names. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 19:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Not done: Kept as it is per above. --Achim55 (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Removal required, my mistake Well-read MountainMan (talk) 13:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete by creator‘’s request. - Kareyac (talk) 13:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Done: per nom. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 03:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
duplicate of Category:Nikolay Mikhailovsky Robby (talk) 05:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Done: redirected. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 03:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Empty category, and the subcategories are also empty Rathfelder (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Done: per nom. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 03:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Empty category, and the subcategories are also empty Rathfelder (talk) 21:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Not done: categories are now populated. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 03:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Unnecessary category, since none of the two files listed in this category are related to the Danish attack in Hooghly. The first one shows a painting of the former Dutch (not Danish) colony of Chinsurah near Hooghly, while the second one shows former Danish settlements in India and Indonesia. The second one does not even show Serampore (a former Danish colony), let alone Hooghly. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Recat the files and speedy this as an unused category. - Jmabel ! talk 17:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted as empty.-- Túrelio (talk) 14:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
What's the difference between Monarchs in Ethiopia and Monarchs of Ethiopia? If monarchs in Ethiopia is for the monarchs of certain territories of Ethiopia and Monarchs of Ethiopia is for the monarchs of the kingdom of Ethiopia, then the name Monarchs of India is inaccurate, since there was no kingdom named "India". Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think you assessed "Monarchs in Ethiopia" correctly. That there are some other categories in Commons that might not be ideal doesn't really matter. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not useful; all subcategories seem to belong in "Monarchs of Ethiopia". ("Of" "in" and "from" have specific meanings and should not be assumed to be interchangeable! If we had free licensed images of, say, Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom visiting Ethiopia, she would be a "Monarch in Ethiopia". The category does not contain any examples of monarchs from elsewhere photographed in Ethiopia.) -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted as empty.-- Túrelio (talk) 14:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
What's the difference between People associated with Glasgow and People of Glasgow? Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly nothing useful. Another case where someone was probably too focused on ontology rather than navigation. Up-merge. - Jmabel ! talk 17:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are separate categories on Wikipedia but maybe they should also be merged? Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
What little content there was was moved to Category:People of Glasgow, category was deleted after ReneeWrites (talk) 18:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
What should be the scope of this category? Should it cover all the species of Category:Animalia or exclude Category:Homo sapiens (humans)? Although humans are also animals in biology, for legal, practical, and religious reasons, animals are considered separate (e.g. Category:Animal rights don't include human rights). So my proposal is to use Category:Animalia for the biological definition of "animals" (which includes humans), while Category:Animals for Animalia sine Homo sapiens. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 03:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The category structure should be as follows:
- Category:Animalia — for the biological definition of "animal" as a kingdom
- Category:Animals — Animalia sine Homo sapiens
- Category:Homo sapiens (under Category:Hominidae)
- Category:Animalia — for the biological definition of "animal" as a kingdom
- Taxonomic categories like Category:Aves, Category:Mammalia should be categorized under the appropriate categories of Category:Animalia, while non-taxonomic categories like Category:Birds, Category:Mammals should be categorized under Category:Animals. Again, humans should be excluded in the definition of Category:Mammals. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 03:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also, Category:Taxonomic ranks should be categorized under Category:Organisms, while categories like Category:Animals, Category:People, Category:Plants etc. would be categorized under Category:Organisms by common name. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 04:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
| This category discussion has been closed. | ||||
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| Consensus | No discussion for more than a month, so implement the proposal unilaterally. | |||
| Actions | Categorize humans separately from animals, and make a distinction between taxonomic and non-taxonomic categories. | |||
| Participants | ||||
| Closed by | Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 06:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
Empty category; SCP-055’s gimmick is being indescribable so it makes no sense to have a category in the first place. Dronebogus (talk) 16:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well it's certainly not round Trade (talk) 18:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Parent cat should be “not round things” Dronebogus (talk) 20:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Since SCP-055 is indescribable how do we know the category really is empty? Trade (talk) 22:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess the same we know (or think we know, to some finite extent) if the category has really been deleted. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Since SCP-055 is indescribable how do we know the category really is empty? Trade (talk) 22:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Parent cat should be “not round things” Dronebogus (talk) 20:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty category, no evident usefulness -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category for an archaic term for Motor vehicles. If you wanna categorize every instances of the word "motocycle", then it should be moved to Motocycle (text). Otherwise, it is an unnecessary duplicate of Motor vehicles and it can be confused with Motorcycles. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is being proposed here? Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the category. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Media recategorized; category deleted. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete, unused. Hullian111 (talk) 14:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Empty category Rathfelder (talk) 21:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty. (No opposition to undeletion or recreation should we get usable free licensed media for the person some time in the future.) -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
If AparnaBalan.jpg is deleted. This cat will be empty Sriveenkat (talk) 13:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Deleted, empty. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
what is this? Prototyperspective (talk) 22:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Male sportspeople. Basically a duplicate category. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 06:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Male sportspeople. I agree with the opinion above - the usual category is a duplicate.
- Miikul (talk) 01:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I probably didn't create this category exactly, I created it because I saw a red link in the files. I agree with the above, it should be merged. Best, Gadir (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would you allow an outsider to throw a question on your discussion table? I think when you say "sportspeople" it doesn't only include athletes but also referees, managers, trainers, et al. Does Commons have a concept/category that is exclusive for the people who participate directly at a sports activity like Category:Rugby players, Category:Tennis players that contain all "players" but leave outside their coaches, managers, trainers...?
- Good point, actually the category "Male sportspeople" is linked to the Wikidata item and Wikipedia article of "athlete" so a new subcat would need to be created if all also are sportspeople or the category be renamed. --Prototyperspective (talk) 21:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Male sportspeople -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Why is this category only for animals? Where should images about agility for people be categorized? For instance: toys to improve agility for children, The EN-WP article is not only for animals. JopkeB (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Something seems to be wrong at Wikidata. Nothing to do with the category itself. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The parent categories are also about animals. JopkeB (talk) 15:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seems you'd need to move to Category:Animal agility or similar and make this a new parent to that. Then fix at Wikidata (or hope somebody does).
- OTH the concept may be too abstract for some and shouldn't be a category in Commons (see Category:Mathematics_in_medicine).
- Still, this seems fairly uncontroversial, so I'd suggest you go ahead and try to sort it out. Enhancing999 (talk) 09:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Enhancing999. Now we can go further. I do not think this concept is too abstract for being a category in Commons. JopkeB (talk) 04:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Conclusions so far + proposal
[edit]- This category should be about all living creatures, not only about animals.
- We should create new categories Category:Animal agility and Category:Human agility.
- Category:Agility should be the parent of both, but its parent categories should be adjusted.
- The two current subcategories should be moved to Category:Animal agility.
- The current gallery page Agility should be adjusted: either rename it to Animal agility or add images about human agility.
- The current gallery page Hindernislauf should have Category:Animal agility as a parent instead of Category:Agility.
- The Wikidata item should be adjusted. Make sure the links to the Wikipedias are/stay correct(ly).
@Enhancing999: Do you agree? --JopkeB (talk) 04:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @JopkeB and Enhancing999: Oppose the binary division between animals and humans, since humans are often classified as animals, especially in biology. See the CFD of Category:Animal eyes. I think we need more discussion on the animal-human distinction before creating Category:Animal agility. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 03:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- See my CFD on Category:Animals (direct link). Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 03:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. We'll continue this discussion after the one about animals has been closed. JopkeB (talk) 04:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- See my CFD on Category:Animals (direct link). Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 03:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The interwiki/infobox needs to be sorted out in any case. The infobox seems to be about a competition for dogs. Maybe the infobox/interwikis can be using Category:Dog agility (which is also about the competition).
- The part about humans seems to be a bit theoretic anyways, as there aren't any files. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree the Wikidata Infobox needs review. I would like to do that when the results of the discussion about Animals are known: it is possible that Animals will become the main category and Humans will be just a subcategory and then we might keep it here. So my advice is to be patient.
- No, I do have at least two files about tools for humans (File:Matten13.jpg and File:Brinquedo 20201031 102212.jpg), but I am sure I can find more, also about humans in action with agility. So it is not theoretic. JopkeB (talk) 16:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I fixed the infobox and parent categories. Maybe it needs updating depending on where the sidetrack goes. Please don't ping me any more for this discussion. Enhancing999 (talk) 18:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Since Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/07/Category:Animals has been closed, we can continue this discussion. The outcome of that discussion is:
- Non-taxonomic categories about animals (like birds and mammals) should be categorized under Category:Animals.
- Humans should be excluded in the definition of Category:Mammals and are a direct subcategory of Category:Organisms by common name, just like Animals and Plants; so they are sibblings, equals.
- My conclusion: The outcome of that discussion does not change a thing for this discussion. So we can implement the proposal.
Question @Sbb1413: Do you agree?- --JopkeB (talk) 11:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Since there were no objections to the proposal anymore in nearly three weeks, I implement it. --JopkeB (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
| This category discussion has been closed. | ||||
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| Consensus | Resolved without objection | |||
| Actions | See "Conclusions so far + proposal" Done | |||
| Participants | ||||
| Notes | Gallery page Agility has been renamed to Dog agility because it is only about dogs. Gallery page Hindernislauf had only one file, so I requested a deletion for it. | |||
| Closed by | JopkeB (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC) | |||