Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/12
delete due to obvious nonsense Arnd (talk) 06:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: Deleted, obviously incorrect name. --rimshottalk 22:49, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
The category is too broad to exist. I thought the category is about reentry capsules like Apollo Command Module, Soyuz Descent Module etc. However, as the name stands, the category might contain anything that safely reenters the Earth's atmosphere, be it a capsule-shaped or not, like the Space Shuttle. Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Soumya-8974 The category seems well-defined, so it should exist. But perhaps it needs more subcategories. Brianjd (talk) 09:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Brianjd Thank you. I was about to withdraw the discussion anyway. --Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:50, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Reverse undiscussed rename and leave it at "Reentry vehicles". Andy Dingley (talk) 11:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Withdrawing the discussion as I've changed my mind. --Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:50, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files JopkeB (talk) 10:31, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Content of this category was moved into Category:Stations of Ankaray in respect of the standartision of related categories and coreection of the grammer. I removed the link because it was wrong category. It must be delete. --Gargarapalvin (talk) 13:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Gargarapalvin, for your reaction. I have made a redirect. --JopkeB (talk) 15:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Content of this category was moved into Category:Stations of Ankaray. I have made a redirect. --JopkeB (talk) 15:16, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Is this the same Monorail Yellow Line as Category:MRT Yellow Line? Can these two be merged? JopkeB (talk) 10:40, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- i agree. Oum13928 (talk) 10:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
The content of this category has been moved to Category:MRT Yellow Line, this category got a redirect. --JopkeB (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 12:45, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Category speedy deleted. -- Mdd (talk) 20:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 12:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Category speedy deleted. -- Mdd (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 13:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- From the Talk page of the category: I am sorry for creating the page which is empty now.--Bluemel1 (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- My conclusion: This category is redundant and can be deleted. --JopkeB (talk) 04:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
This category is redundant and can be deleted. --JopkeB (talk) 04:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 13:30, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- User:MHM55 deleted this message from his Talk page with "ok" in the description ((→Category:De_Groene_Verbinding_(bridge): ok)), see Difference between versions.
- My conclusion: This category may be deleted. --JopkeB (talk) 04:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category, may be deleted. --JopkeB (talk) 04:31, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
There is typo in the category name - should be 'Old French nautical charts'. Could someone please fix? Periegetes (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Done. Uncontroversial renaming Estopedist1 (talk) 12:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill it with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- On his/her user page Edhac-Edham reacted with:
- Diese Kategorie sollte gelöscht werden! Die korrekte Kategorie hat den Namen "1920 Stock certificates from the Netherlands".Edhac-Edham (talk) 16:59, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- So this category can be deleted, it is a bad name (2x "from"). --JopkeB (talk) 05:06, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
This category has a bad name and can be deleted. --JopkeB (talk) 05:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 06:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- It turns out there was a hiccup in the program, there is indeed a subcategory, so this category can stay. --JopkeB (talk) 06:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a subcategory for this category, the category may stay. --JopkeB (talk) 06:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
C2 Pacha Tchernof (talk) 21:40, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Deleted thanks to everyone who did the reviews. Multichill (talk) 10:50, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
User EconAmbiente, why open it empty? 191.116.164.168 01:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- My mistake, sorry, it can be deleted EconAmbiente (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Closing: cat has been deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete empty category? Another Believer (talk) 05:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Closing: cat has been deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
category to be deleted. Wrong Louvre number. Right cat is Category:Reliquary arm of Saint-Luke (Louvre, OA 10944) Tangopaso (talk) 11:15, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Closing: category has been deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:33, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Nonsense category name, possibly mimicking the category scheme used in news articles. Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete I recategorized the only file--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Closing: category has been deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:34, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Exists for over a month. My proposal: delete. JopkeB (talk) 12:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 12:53, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Secondo me sono da eliminare. Importanti linee autobus nel mondo possono rimanere, solo se accompagnate dalla città a cui si riferiscono; esempio Category:Bus line 545 (Seattle).
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 13:03, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
This does not look like a Commons category: it has Spanish text, perhaps for a Wikipedia article. Please save your text, this page will be deleted. JopkeB (talk) 13:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete or fill with subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete Empty category per Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Category:Commemorative 2 euro coins of the Netherlands. Category has no use as any national sides of euro coins would be the only candidates for this category as non-national sides have no application here. National sides of Netherlands euro coins are copyrighted, and incompatible with Commons licensing. Hammersoft (talk) 19:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Delete of fill with files and/or subcategories. JopkeB (talk) 06:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
What is this category about? Delete it or add subcategories and/or files. JopkeB (talk) 13:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete empty category created in error with upper-case P for Prints. Duplicates Mezzotint prints in the Yale Center for British Art which actually contains the content. Rob Lowe - Smartify (talk) 15:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Closing: category has been deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 11:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
The category is a duplicate and should be deleted. Jeffrey Beall (talk) 23:16, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not necessarily disagreeing with some action here, but what was in this category before all members were deleted? I created this category, and it was surely not empty then. To what category is it duplicative? Hmm, is this about a possible typo, Category:Highland Park (Denver, Colorado) vs. Category:HIghland Park (Denver, Colorado) (with I vs. i) perhaps, or perhaps some variation? In which case this request should be described as fixing a specific typo, rather than addressing some unexplained “duplication”? —Doncram (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Seems to be a typo, the correct spelling exists and was created 2 minutes later. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Closing: category was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 11:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Bikini was founded in 1947, it did not exist in the 1930s. In fact, girls previously wore two-piece bathing suits. However, it's hard to consider all two-piece swimsuits a bikini. Mmedstereast (talk) 02:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 11:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Rename towards "Maps of Battles of the Seven Years' War" --> Harmonizing category names Enyavar (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Support uncontroversial renaming--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)- Support because most similar categories are named "Maps of battles of..." (see Category:Maps of battles by war).
And if this one passes, we can rename Category:Battle maps of World War II as well.Never mind -- I see that the other category has a separate request. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:27, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: moved. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 05:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Maps of battles of the Seven Years' War. --Achim55 (talk) 11:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Rename towards "Maps of battles of World War II" --> Harmonizing category names. Also include "Maps of battles of Operation Overlord" Enyavar (talk) 16:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support uncontroversial renaming--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seems pretty straighforwards - A battle map is a specific item, that I would expect to be produced by the military as a map of the upcoming battle, or a post action report; whereas here the term is being used to describe maps of battles made by anyone, which is an entirely different and much wider ranging category. However, I would expect this category to remain in existence, as it should refer to specific maps produced by the military for battles during WWII ... I know it sounds silly, but it makes sense to me lol Chaosdruid (talk) 20:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support because most similar categories are named "Maps of battles of..." (see Category:Maps of battles by war). -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: moved. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 05:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Move to Category:Monuments and memorials in Puerto Vallarta for consistency with similar categories, including parent category for Jalisco. Another Believer (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Agree--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:46, 3 December 2021 (UTC)- Support to standardize naming. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: moved. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 05:48, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Unused category. Please delete this category. (PNB 118 Height is increased 644 m to 679 m. So this category is unusable.) Ox1997cow (talk) 14:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: deleted. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 05:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Unused category. Please delete this category. 332 m height building is not exist. Ox1997cow (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: deleted. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 05:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. My proposal: delete of fill it with subcategories and/or files JopkeB (talk) 10:30, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: deleted. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 05:51, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete as pointless Andy Dingley (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete For those that may not be aware, en:Rolling coal is generally understood to be deliberately emitting nasty black smoke from diesel engine to make some sort of point. That's not what locomotives are doing when they emit such smoke. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Delete Alright this was a dumb decision, I was in a dispute with Andy Dingley about removing the category, and he said that it would count as rolling coal, so I created this category, I have no idea what I was thinking about this. Actually, I think I was being POINTy, also known as being a jerk, which I apologize for. CutlassCiera 22:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 07:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty; potentially populatable but too specific to be of any use IMO. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've marked it for speedy, be sure to do that in the future. 1989 (talk) 09:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- @1989 Usually did that, but was unsure whether this one was "unlikely to be ever meaningfully used". 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 09:40, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted. Taivo (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
удалить, пустая Леонид Макаров (talk) 10:01, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
@Леонид Макаров: Closed (speedy delete) Josh (talk) 07:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
удалить, пустая категория Леонид Макаров (talk) 10:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
@Леонид Макаров: Closed (speedy delete - bad name) Josh (talk) 07:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
to be upmerged to the parent Category:Museo archeologico nazionale di Chiusi. Empty category to be deleted. "Other" is not appropriate category name in Commons Estopedist1 (talk) 16:35, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. Fabrizio Garrisi (talk) 20:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Upmerge content to Category:Collections of the Archaeological Museum of Chiusi. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
@Estopedist1, Fabrizio Garrisi, and Themightyquill: Closed (no objections) Josh (talk) 07:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- I may have gotten this one wrong. I only noticed after closing that Themightyquill suggested a different name than Estopedist1. I've put the 6 files in the 'Collections' category for now, if you both agree with that, then it is fine as is. If we need to move them to the next level up, they are the only 6 files at that level, so let me know and I'll move them up. Josh (talk) 07:46, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I propose removal of this category because there is no relevant content, i.e. documents concerning beaches (uimaranta or hiekkaranta) in this category Periegetes (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Periegetes please specify. In this category, I can see beaches of this lake Estopedist1 (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- I thought, there are no pictures/documents of beaches on Lake Saimaa. After starting this discussion, checked again and actually there was material available but it was not categorized properly. I did some recategorization and added category 'Shorelines of Lake Saimaa' (after checking that this kind of categorization in internationally used). So, from my point of view, the case is closed and the category can stay. --Periegetes (talk) 10:53, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- There must be many beaches by Saimaa, and they are worth being categorised as such. Having the category makes it more probable images are categorised here when they are taken/upladed/found. Keep. –LPfi (talk) 14:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
@Periegetes, Estopedist1, and LPfi: Closed (withdrawn by requestor, no other calls for deletion) Josh (talk) 07:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
sans objet : le canal EDF ne coule pas en Vaucluse Fr.Latreille (talk) 20:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
@Fr.Latreille: Closed (no objection) Josh (talk) 07:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
"Other" is not appropriate category name in Commons. The nominated category to be moved Category:Distributaries of the Colne into the Thames Estopedist1 (talk) 08:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support per w:WP:OCMISC. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:01, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
@Estopedist1 and Crouch, Swale: Closed (no objections) Josh (talk) 08:22, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Empty category. Please add categories and/or files OR delete it. JopkeB (talk) 13:19, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The category was empty because on 25 September User:Acabashi had moved out the content and blanked the page. More content will be added, eg this 1757 map [1] from the British Library KTop collection or crops of the inset maps from John Speed's Herefordshire (1610; better copy should be found) or from Taylor's 1754 map [2], once I get KTop systematically uploaded. Jheald (talk) 11:23, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
This category will be kept, it will be used for future uploads. --JopkeB (talk) 16:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Duplicate of Category:Bonchon Chicken. howdy.carabao 🌱🐃🌱 (talk) 09:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- I checked, this Category I created was at a much later time than the other "Bonchon Chicken", so it is okay for me if it is deleted. However, I think mine is also clearer since I did specify the "Restaurant" at its end. But again, it is okay with me if it is removed. RoyKabanlit (talk) 09:37, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not quite. I added an extra category to Bonchon Chicken. But perhaps I shouldn't have, because I now notice that Bonchon Chicken has outlets outside South Korea.
- Bonchon Chicken (Restaurant) contains the extra word "international". Should this be added to the Wikidata description (which is what Bonchon Chicken displays)? Brianjd (talk) 09:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Brianjd no problem, enwiki has also similar South Korea category. Wikidata entry should be also OK. The nominated category to be deleted, because redundant Estopedist1 (talk) 09:25, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Bonchon Chicken (Restaurant) into Category:Bonchon Chicken. No () dab info is needed. If we keep the dab info, it should be (restaurant) in lower case. Josh (talk) 07:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Done. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 23:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Completely incomprehensible category; not used for anything related to the AbuseFilter/abuse filter log (this is how it is spelt) and all current contents nominated for deletion. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 23:31, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Estopedist1 (talk) 11:09, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: Deleted. — Tulsi Bhagat [ contribs | talk ] 05:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Should be renamed to "Gangō-ji " or "Gangoji " Not many non-Japanese speakers will be aware that the “u” is used to indicate a long o vowel in Japanese. 62.216.207.93 00:40, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- enwiki is using the name en:Gangō-ji, hence category:Gangō-ji--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Done: Moved. — Tulsi Bhagat [ contribs | talk ] 08:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Trailer parks? -- Themightyquill (talk) 14:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
accidental nomination Themightyquill (talk) 14:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
What is this category about? What would be a proper name or description? Categories are not for personal use. If you would like to use these photos in a workshop, you'd better make it a Gallyery page (linked to your personal page) or make a general gallery page and give it a proper name. JopkeB (talk) 12:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete if the category's creator doesn't act properly Estopedist1 (talk) 08:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
This looks like a personal page. There was no reaction by the category's creator. I moved the files to a new gallery page: 20211114 wmtw x cctw workshop. This category is empty now and may be deleted. --JopkeB (talk) 12:56, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Request move to Category:Wings in heraldry - no other type of wings there, many more images there already Lobsterthermidor (talk) 00:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete empty and seems to be redundant--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete In fact, it's the contrary : very often, it's impossible to know if it's bird wings or something eles, like angel wings or other imaginary creatures (dragons for instance). Therefore "Wings" only is a better choice, and it shouldn't be categorized in a "bird wings" category. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 09:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: I looked up bat wings in heraldry and couldn't find anything beyond Category:Bats in heraldry. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete for now into Category:Wings in heraldry. However, I would be fine with recreation of Category:Bird wings in heraldry along with Category:Bat wings in heraldry, Category:Dragon wings in heraldry, etc. if there is enough positively-identified media to justify such sub-categorization. Josh (talk) 07:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted in favour of Category:Wings in heraldry. -- Themightyquill (talk) 08:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Move to Category:Digital elevation model or Category:Digital elevation models. Subcategories as well. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support per WP, unsure if it should be plural or singular though. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:03, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support, and support for plural. DEM to DAB--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Digital elevation models. -- Themightyquill (talk) 08:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Doesn't exist yet, no photos. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 01:16, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- If there will be a need for the category later, no use deleting it now. Will there be? –LPfi (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. No need for discussion. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Only five files, meanless dispersion. Per Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/06/Category:Mausoleum of Queen Arwa bint Ahmad Al-Suhayli by year Estopedist1 (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
No opposition in a month. Deleted. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
This category is not about ice roads. Check the definition from upper level category. This should be removed. Periegetes (talk) 14:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- good catch! Yes, these are Category:Icy roads in Germany Estopedist1 (talk) 16:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Icy roads in Germany. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
In 2012-2016, this CfD resulted in a much-needed reorganisation of categories related to 2D visual art created with a computer. However, 'category:pixel art' was also moved/redirected to 'category:8-bit digital art' at that time. Now, "8-bit" has a specific meaning that is narrower than just "pixel art", and so a discussion recently started at category talk:8-bit digital art about how the groupings of files contained within should be restructured. The consensus was to undo the aforementioned move (presumably either manually or by bot) so that more explicit categories as to colour depth, palettes, and so on could be established under 'pixel art'. It was thought wise to bring this proposal and any related issues up for wider discussion via this new CfD. Arlo James Barnes 07:58, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't fully understand, but from the talk page, there seems to be consensus for the following:
- category:digital art
- category:art at pixel scale
- Art made for / on a particular architecture (not just colour depth but also palette, pixel shape, etc.)
- subcatted per architecture, and then per artist if we happen to have multiple pieces
- intentionally downsampled art
- category:art at pixel scale
- If that's what people want, it's fine with me. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Arlo Barnes: Does that work? -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oops, sorry I didn't see your first message in this CfD until now. Yes, I was part of the consensus at that talk page of course, so if there are no objections here I'd like to proceed with the reorganisation along the lines you quoted there. Arlo James Barnes 10:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Arlo Barnes: Great. I'll leave it to the experts to sort the content. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Resolved. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
This is currently an empty category. There was previously one item in it (Minehead Hospital) but while this was briefly used as a public building for concerts in the early 20th century it was never used as a meeting place by Minehead Urban District Council and so it was therefore never a town hall. Dormskirk (talk) 00:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Move to Category:Towns in Alberta since towns and Category:Cities in Alberta are distinct Themightyquill (talk) 10:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
No opposition. Moved to Category:Towns in Alberta -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Move to Category:Divisions of Punjab, India ? Themightyquill (talk) 12:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Divisions of Punjab, India. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Move to Category:Divisions of states and union territories of India or just Category:Divisions of India. They are called divisions. Wikipedia uses en:Category:Divisions of India and so does wikidata. And West Bengal (and Bihar) use "subdivisions" in place of "tehsils" (the smallest possible entity in India) so this is confusing. -- Themightyquill (talk) 12:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Divisions of India. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Is Category:Navidhand redundant with either Category:Navidhand Valley or Category:Navidhand village? -- Themightyquill (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- There is no answer to this question. These files originally came out of a huge file (many, many, many thousands of images) that those of us dealing with Pakistan at the time tried to break down into smaller bits. If you keep looking around, you will find many such puzzles, arbitrarily made cats etc. Editors tried to make roads, place, mosques, whatever, out of them. They were originally in FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas) a no longer existing district, merged now into Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. It was a mountainous unknown area bordering on Afghanistan and there just was no information on it available. Beware! Pakistan can drive you crazy. Krok6kola (talk) 21:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: File:Navidhand Valley ,Khyber Pakhtunkhwa , Pakistan - panoramio (3).jpg is the only image of a person among all those files. Krok6kola (talk) 21:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
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- @Krok6kola: I'm going to merge Category:Navidhand with Category:Navidhand Valley unless you're opposed. -- Themightyquill (talk) 20:09, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill: Fine by me! Krok6kola (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Merged Category:Navidhand with Category:Navidhand Valley. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Merge to Category:Pano Aqil tehsil. -- Themightyquill (talk) 20:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Merged. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Aren't these all bolts? -- Themightyquill (talk) 12:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- No, they're screws. The screw is rotated to screw it into the fixed case. A bolt would have a loose nut on it and could potentially be held still while the nut was rotated onto it.
- I think we need this category (they're a ubiquitous item), but I'm surprised at how many images we have for such a mundane thing. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Doesn't a screw have to have a tapered end, which these don't have? Maybe we're working with different definitions, and that's causing some of the confusion. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ugh, no, my definition is wrong: "The Machinery’s Handbook explains that bolts are used to assemble to unthreaded objects, typically with the use of a nut. In comparison, screws are used to assemble objects with threads. Here’s the thing, though: not all objects in which screws are used already have threads. Some objects feature pre-made threads, whereas others create the thread during the installation of the screw. So, the fundamental difference between screws and bolts is that the former is used to assemble threaded objects, while the latter is used to assemble untreaded objects. With that said, screws can make their own threads during the installation process." Sorry. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Nomination withdrawn. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Better category name would be: Category:Books about the history of countries or Category:History books about countries. Now it is confusing: are these history books (about any history subject) from countries where they were originially printed OR about the history of these countries? JopkeB (talk) 12:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- @JopkeB enwiki has en:Category:History books about countries Estopedist1 (talk) 11:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Estopedist1. I see that nearly all subcategories are about the history of countries, and not history books from countries (only one exception, Thailand, I have solved that) so "History books about countries" it will be. --JopkeB (talk) 13:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
This category will be renamed to Category:History books about countries, because the current title is confusing. The category will have a See also to Category:Books about history by country of publication --JopkeB (talk) 13:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference with Category:Religious personalities from the Netherlands? Can these two categories be merged? JopkeB (talk) 11:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @JopkeB: at first glance, I can say that "religious personalities" are wider concept than "clergy". But this topic should be discussed at higher level, we have massively populated Category:Religious personalities and Category:Clergy--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Estopedist1: Thanks for your contribution and suggestion. Yes, I agree with you that "religious personalities" is a wider concept than "clergy". The parent category Category:Clergy from the Netherlands of Category:Religious personalities from the Netherlands should be switched. For the main category and for instance for Italy it is done so also.
- I think for the Netherlands all subcategories in Category:Religious personalities from the Netherlands should be in Category:Clergy from the Netherlands, then Category:Religious personalities from the Netherlands will be empty. I cannot think of anyone from the Netherlands who might be considered a religious personality, but is not a member of the Clergy. For other countries that may be different. So, for now I would like to limit this discussion to the Netherlands. --JopkeB (talk) 13:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment As I understand it, religious personalities is the broader group, with clergy being formally recognized religious leaders. While I am no expert on religion in the Netherlands, I find it hard to believe there are no informal religious figures in the entire country, so if the two categories are to be merged, I'd be more inclined to merge up to religious personalities than down to clergy. Josh (talk) 06:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Category:Religious personalities from the Netherlands is the parent category of Category:Clergy from the Netherlands, so the parent categories should be switched. All the clergy-categories of Religious personalities should be moved to Clergy. Then there still are left one other subcategory and one file, so Category:Religious personalities from the Netherlands should stay. --JopkeB (talk) 04:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Can this category be merged into Category:Plans of churches in Community of Madrid? It has only one file and "the province of Madrid" is a former province, now part of Community of Madrid. JopkeB (talk) 13:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- sounds reasonable Estopedist1 (talk) 16:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
These two categories can be merged: Category:Plans of churches in Community of Madrid will stay, Category:Plans of churches in the province of Madrid gets a redirect. --JopkeB (talk) 04:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
A person who does not achieve sufficient importance or fame, is just trying to promote himself, and his article on Arabic Wikipedia has been deleted Osama Eid (talk) 18:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- If File:Jackninte2018.jpg gets deleted this will be deleted as empty but if not the criteria for keeping categories etc is generally lower than Wikipedia. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Closing: cat was deleted. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
This looks like a personal category. "Witam na stronie Agnieszka Seidel-Kożuch" means "Welcome to Agnieszka Seidel-Kożuch's website". The files all have other categories. I suggest to delete this category. JopkeB (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: unclear purpose Estopedist1 (talk) 08:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Estopedist1, for your reaction. I really appreciate it. But:
- Keep I got more into it and I changed my mind: This category may stay. It is a category about a Polish artist. It turned out to be a lack of parent categories. I removed the description and the redundant parent categories in the files and added parent categories to the categories involved. Later on, other works and categories about exhibitions of this artist may be added. --JopkeB (talk) 13:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
It turned out that this category is about an artist from Poland, it just needed some corrections and parent categories. It can stay.--JopkeB (talk) 09:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference between "Milk cream" and Category:Cream, which is dairy-based food, also based on milk? Can this category be merged into Category:Cream? JopkeB (talk) 07:55, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- I did just pull a bunch of images of Category:Cream (cosmetics) and Category:Cream (color) out of Category:Cream. That might explain it. -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Themightyquill Thank you for your useful contribution (as always). Do you think that we should have Category:Cream as an umbrella category (or a Disambiguation page), with subcategories Category:Milk cream as well as Category:Cream (cosmetics) and Category:Cream (color)? Would that make sense (in English) and for clarity reasons? --JopkeB (talk) 13:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Not as an umbrella - I can't imagine what the parent categories would be for non-specific Category:Cream (unrelated to milk) - but maybe as a disambiguation. I'm also not sure that Category:Milk cream is an actual term. I'm afraid I don't have much of a solution here. -- Themightyquill (talk) 13:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Themightyquill: Thanks again. Combined with Milk Cream in EN-Wp (a redirect to Cream) I now think that Milk cream is indeed the same as Cream, and 'Cream' is best used. My proposal is:
- Keep Category:Cream.
- Move the files from Category:Milk cream to Category:Cream and give this category a redirect.
- Make a Diambiguation page like in EN-wp.
"Milk cream" is the same as "Cream". So:
- we keep Category:Cream,
- the files from Category:Milk cream have been moved to Category:Cream and this category got a redirect,
- there is now a Diambiguation page for Category:Cream (disambiguation).
What is the difference with Category:Cantilever signs? Can clear definitions be added to both categories? Can these two categories be merged? JopkeB (talk) 09:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- This category is for the brackets, so a solution might be to rename it Category:Cantilever brackets. Vogler (talk) 13:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your explanation and suggestion for a solution. But I wonder whether this would really solve the problem. It looks to me that Cantilever and Bracket (architecture) both are about architectural elements, so that would be double up, and that we would lose the 'sign' part. --JopkeB (talk) 05:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not an english-speaking person on daily basis, but it seems to me brackets could be a subcategory to cantilevers? If you prefer to add clear definitions to these categories I would support your case. --Vogler (talk) 16:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your explanation and suggestion for a solution. But I wonder whether this would really solve the problem. It looks to me that Cantilever and Bracket (architecture) both are about architectural elements, so that would be double up, and that we would lose the 'sign' part. --JopkeB (talk) 05:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- I am not a native English-speaking person either, but we should have a solution. It looks like:
- Category:Sign brackets is about brackets that (may) carry signs.
- A cantilever is a structural element that extends horizontally and is supported at only one end. So this is about the sign itself and the way of uphanging.
- All the current images in Category:Sign brackets show brackets as well as the signs attached to them, as does Category:Cantilever signs.
- So my proposal is to merge Category:Sign brackets into Category:Cantilever signs, being a larger category, with many subcategories, having a Wikidata item (the other one does not) AND to me it seems a better name. Please give your reaction. --JopkeB (talk) 09:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- I am not a native English-speaking person either, but we should have a solution. It looks like:
Category:Sign brackets and Category:Cantilever signs are about the same type of objects. The subcategories and files of the first one can be merged into the second. --JopkeB (talk) 14:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Should this be at Category:The Gambia? And even if we leave the base category alone, its sub-categories somewhat randomly use either in/of/from "the Gambia" or just in/of/from "Gambia." -- Themightyquill (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- I support without "the". Easier categorization. Even Category:Philippines is without "the" --Estopedist1 (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Even if you support without "the" for the base category, would you still agree that subcategories should use it (e.g. Category:Buildings in the Gambia like Category:Buildings in the Philippines)? - Themightyquill (talk) 09:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support per Wikipedia discussions, see w:Talk:The Gambia#Requested move 20 August 2021. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support moving to "The Gambia" because that seems to be the official name, at least when used in English. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support rename to Category:The Gambia. This is different from the United States or the Philippines, in that 'The' is very clearly stated by the country in question to be a distinct part of their name, not just a required article for grammatical use. Support using 'the' before 'Gambia' in all sub-categories, per Themightyquill. Josh (talk) 06:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've done some but there are many left to be moved. Maybe we can get a bot to do this. - Themightyquill (talk) 20:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Ruthven: Would you be able to help with this? - Themightyquill (talk) 11:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill Sure. I see that part of Categories of the Gambia are already with the "the". Ruthven (msg) 11:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ruthven: Would you be able to help with this? - Themightyquill (talk) 11:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I've started Commons:Categories for discussion/2022/03/Category:Bahamas but as noted there we probably be keep the lower case "the" in the sub categories. Regarding the in/of/from I'd use in/of/from the Gambia. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Done: per discussion. Keeping "Gambia" when the category starts with that word, e.g. "Gambia by year", adding "the" everywhere else. Ruthven (msg) 11:45, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
per Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Not-free-US-TOO, {{Not-free-US-TOO}} was deleted. So this category has to be deleted. Ox1997cow (talk) 15:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- delete. Please delete voluntarily Chubit (talk) 08:33, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted per nomination, creator agrees. -- CptViraj (talk) 10:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
What is the difference with Category:Wall mounted objects? Can both have clear definitions? Can these two categories be merged? JopkeB (talk) 10:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Since there have been no reactions at all, let's make the question more specific: What kind of objects are on a wall but are not attached/mounted to it? --JopkeB (talk) 09:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- Proposal for definitions:
- Objects on walls are all objects that are hanging on, growing on, standing against or are attached to, on, or in a wall in any way. This is and will stay the parent category.
- Wall mounted objects are only those objects that are attached to a wall by means of screws or nails or other method of permanent attachment.
- Does this make sense? --JopkeB (talk) 03:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Proposal for definitions:
I added the proposed definitions to the categories involved and kept both categories.--JopkeB (talk) 04:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Replaced with updated museum name category Category:Aircraft at the Mid-America Air Museum. Request deletion. Nimbus227 (talk) 15:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Isn't this simply a duplicate of the main Accuracy International Arctic Warfare category? Dvaderv2 (talk) 07:21, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- very likely duplicate of Category:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Estopedist1 (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:25, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Nominate for deletion, no such king existed, the right cat is obvious from auto-complete. Misleading Lobsterthermidor (talk) 03:30, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Nominate for deletion, no such king existed, the right cat is obvious from auto-complete. Misleading Lobsterthermidor (talk) 03:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Deleted as empty. -- Túrelio (talk) 08:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Merge to Category:Murals in Guadalajara? Seems like a duplicate category. Another Believer (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, "Murals in Guadalajara" looks to be a duplicate and should be merged into "Murals in Guadalajara, Mexico". Category:Guadalajara, Mexico is how the City of Guadalajara in Jalisco, Mexico is designated on Commons, distinguishing it from the province and city of the same name in Spain which it was named after. Images in "Murals in Guadalajara" should be checked individually before moving, in case there are any which belong in Category:Art in Guadalajara (Spain) rather than the Mexico category. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 16:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support renaming all 'in/of/etc Guadalajara' categories (in Culture and below) which are used for Mexico or Spain to 'in/of/etc Guadalajara, Mexico' or 'in/of/etc Guadalajara, Spain', and where both are used, making the basic 'in/of/etc Guadalajara' into a DAB for the Mexico and Spain cats:
Category:Culture of Guadalajara: rename Category:Culture of Guadalara, Mexico and DAB with Category:Culture of Guadalajara, Spain- Done--A1Cafel (talk) 07:24, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Guadalajara (Spain) in art: rename Category:Guadalajara, Spain in art
- Category:Art in Guadalajara (Spain): rename Category:Art in Guadalajara, Spain
- Category:Murals in Guadalajara: merge into Category:Murals in Guadalajara, Mexico (or DAB with new Category:Murals in Guadalajara, Spain if needed)
- Category:Paintings in Guadalajara: rename Category:Paintings in Guadalajara, Spain, ultimately DAB once Category:Paintings in Guadalajara, Mexico is populated
- Category:Capitals (architecture) in Guadalajara: rename Category:Capitals (architecture) in Guadalajara, Spain, DAB if Category:Capitals (architecture) in Guadalajara, Mexico is populated
- Category:Orchestras from Guadalajara: rename Category:Orchestras from Guadalajara, Mexico, DAB if Category:Orchestras from Guadalajara, Spain is populated
- There are probably more I didn't catch on my pass through, but the theme should be consistent. Josh (talk) 06:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Closed, seems resolved. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
How is this category different from Category:Gallery pages by country? Why should this category exist? There is not even a Category:Sovereign countries. And by the way, the category name should be in plural: "pages". JopkeB (talk) 04:39, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- This is not how to resolve problems in the first attempt. You should ask questions at the talk page of the user who created this item oder at the village pump. Keep --Mateus2019 (talk) 04:47, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- PS Maybe you understand it from this viewpoint:
| To display all subcategories click on the "▶":
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mateus2019 (talk • contribs) 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I have added a description with links to the EN-WP for more information about sovereign countries. This page can stay now, though the category name should still be changed to plural. --JopkeB (talk) 09:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
This category can stay. When in future there will be a category for sovereign countries on Commons, this category should become a subcategory. --JopkeB (talk) 09:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
This Category:Throchi redundant with its subcategory Category:Throchi Fort? -- Themightyquill (talk) 10:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep @Themightyquill: . Bonjour, no, it isn't. I added a cat. def. and Category:Villages in Azad Kashmir. Please remove the CfD notice. Thx. --Bohème (talk) 21:25, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Not redundant. Thanks Bohème! -- Themightyquill (talk) 08:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Unclear scope, looks like an undocumented POV category. Most subcategories are as relevant for the history of non-whites in the USA; they include things like Racial segregation in the United States. LPfi (talk) 17:15, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Very offensive comment to make. Who enforced racial segregation in the United States? White Americans. Racial segregation in the United States is also categorized under African American history, and you're not protesting that. How is racial segregation relevant to African Americans and not White Americans when White Americans were the ones enforcing it? It is not POV to be honest about the history of the United States, thank you very much. Every other racial category in the United States have categories which document their history in the country. It is ludicrous to think that white Americans are somehow so special and natural to the United States that their history should not also be documented within a category. It is clear that you are not from the United States and know nothing of our history. PatrickHipes (talk) 02:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry if it was perceived as offensive. I just don't find a single subcategory that wouldn't fit well in Category:History of the United States, and little of that history would not fit in this category (as currently used). Thus it seems redundant, and if selection of topics is done subjectively, it easily becomes a POV category. Also, there is no corresponding category in Wikipedia in English. en:European Americans has a very different scope, although linked as main article of the corresponding Wikipedia category. –LPfi (talk) 14:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- If the category is to be kept, I think it needs a good description, so that its scope is evident and consensus-based. –LPfi (talk) 14:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- It's alright, but that reasoning simply doesn't make sense in the United States context. There is little in the history of any ethnic group in the United States which would not also be included in the History of the United States, but that does not mean that any of them are redundant. A corresponding category in English Wikipedia is absolutely needed.
- As for a good description, I believe that it should include any instance of U.S. history which involves white Americans, or white Americans and another ethnic group. Thus, events in U.S. history which singularly involved one ethnic group (say Asian Americans) or two other ethnic groups (such as Africans Americans and Mexican Americans) would not be included. This will provide a broad purview for an eventual consensus to be reached over time. PatrickHipes (talk) 15:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- I lean toward delete. It is a very contentious category. Mixing photos of Nazi & KKK rallies with people who appear to be classified here entirely on the basis of skin color? Also, the construction of whiteness varies at different times in ways that cannot readily be captured in a category like this. Many ethnicities now generally called "white" would not have been so called in the 19th century.
- I noticed this category because a particular photo of early Seattle settler Carson Boren was in the category (File:Carson Boren, Seattle, ca 1890 (MOHAI 2719).jpg). There seem to be a lot of of individual photos of Washington State pioneers here, even though we have a much more specific Category:Pioneers of Washington (state), which many of these are already in, indirectly, through categories about the individual. I briefly had the thought that it might make sense to put Category:Pioneers of Washington (state) in Category:White American history, but of course several prominent pioneers were Black (en:William Grose and George Washington, founder of Centralia) leap to mind).
- Even stranger, File:C 1920 Otto Klemperer.jpg. Klemperer was a German who basically sat out Nazizeit in the U.S. Do we really want a category that lumps him with Nazis because of skin color? What about File:Baby and two women (7592538528).jpg?
- For what it is worth, I am going to link this discussion from the Village pump because I think it needs far more participation than a CFD usually gets. I will keep my language at the Village pump neutral. - Jmabel ! talk 01:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- If the category is to be kept, I think it needs a good description, so that its scope is evident and consensus-based. –LPfi (talk) 14:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Without a good description that strictly delineates a methodology for inclusion, I also lean toward delete. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 03:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment, I think that the inclusion of this category isn't bad if it's clearly defined, we have similar categories for "Chinese American history" and "African American history", simply searching "White American history" shows a bit of results, mostly talking about their historical privileges relative to other ancestry-based groupings in the United States of America. The issue with this category is that it's hard to define, Non-Hispanic White-Americans (from the 1960's onwards) and White (including Hispanic) Americans (before the 1960's when no distinction was made) are the largest ethnic group, +/- 60% of the American population is Non-Hispanic White-American while around 80~90% is European-American (probably closer to 95% if you would include any degree of European ancestry) which makes it an incredibly large ethnic group indistinguishable from the broad topic of the United States of America alone. It would be like creating a separate "Han Taiwanese history" because 95~97% of the population of the Republic of China is Han Chinese making it a category almost indistinguishable from general Taiwanese history since their first arrival.
- This is not to say that a "White American history" can't exist, it just should be clearly defined as such, should the Oregon Trial be seen as a White American history topic or general American history topic? As it still included extensive interactions with native tribes. Should the category then only be about topics of racial differtiation from other groups? Like court rulings on the basis of the (White) racial origin of the participants. It even hard to argue that the KKK and American Neo-Nazi's and other White Supremacist groups are exclusively "White American history" because of their profound influence on the groups they discriminated against (it is hard to argue that the KKK, an organisation specifically designed to keep the Republican Party out of the South during the Reconstruction Era to stop the emancipation of Blacks isn't a part of "African American history").
- Now the easiest solution would be to make this a meta-category for things like "Irish American history", "Scottish American history", "Egyptian American history", "Lebanese American history", "German American history", Etc. as all these groups are sub-groups of Non-Hispanic White-Americans (the current definition of "White", though whether or not Middle Eastern Americans qualify depends on whom you would ask). --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Dividing the category it into "Irish American History" etc does not resolve issues, as label "White" was formerly a huge part of US society, law, and everyday life. I agree that the idea of "white" as applied to a person is at best nebulous and at worst scientifically meaningless. That alone is not a reason to delete given that "White American" has historically been a very important cultural idea. In large parts of the US, it was regulated by law, and signs declaring businesses and public facilities were open only to "Whites Only" were common within living memory. The definitions of "White" varied from US state to state, and sometimes municipalities. They also changed over time - on occasion suddenly and dramatically, for example in Louisiana Philippine-Americans were legally classified as "Colored", but after Pearl Harbor and the US entry to WWII were by law reclassified as "White" (a "promotion" since they were allies against Japan). Yes, the category is problematic - because the history and cultural notions it deals with are problematic. So what is the best way to deal with the issues here on Commons? I'm not sure, but I do know that the issues won't be made to go away simply by deleting a category. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 17:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Infrogmation: Any thoughts on the appropriateness or inappropriateness of applying this category in the examples I raised? - Jmabel ! talk 18:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Off hand, I'd say it would be appropriate for illustrations involving people who considered it important to label themselves "White Americans" and circumstances the label was relevant per culture/laws of the time and place. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 01:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Infrogmation: Any thoughts on the appropriateness or inappropriateness of applying this category in the examples I raised? - Jmabel ! talk 18:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This category is a blatant attempt to promote racialism and to create social discord. It's a duplicitous attempt in my opinion; also – from the way the category page is set up – it looks like a sub-category of the white power. There is already a category on "White supremacy" and "White nationalism." What's the point of creating another category on the topic? --RVD3 (talk) 20:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC)RVD3
- @RVD3: I think it's even worse than your remarks suggest, because it puts images like File:Mother and nursing child detail, from- Dorothea Lange, Drought refugees from Oklahoma camping by the roadside, Blythe, California, 1936 (cropped).jpg in with images of the Ku Klux Klan. Jmabel ! talk 21:27, 27 February 2023 UTC
- @Jmabel If you check "Authority control" you can easily notice the fact that the identifier supports: "European Americans--History" (i.e., the history of people of European origin/descent in the United States). In A History of Virginia, from Its Discovery and Settlement by Europeans to the Present Time by Robert Reid Howison (1848) it may well be noted that the term "European American" was already being used; see also: "the immense territory occupied by people of European descent speaks for itself" (The Encyclopædia Britannica A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences, and General Literature ; the R.S. Peale Reprint, with New Maps and Original American Articles · Volume 8, 1892).
- But as I have already said, the goal of the category doesn't seem purely historical. RVD3 (talk) 15:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- p.s., the abuse for defamatory purposes and/or association fallacy is another clear issue. RVD3 (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Jmabel Additionally to the questionable choice of the category's name, the other choice to put the KKK instead of (for example) Amerigo Vespucci to represent European Americans is questionable. RVD3 (talk) 15:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- @RVD3: Agreed on all counts. And while European-American history would be less polemical, I still don't think it would be a particularly useful category. - Jmabel ! talk 15:56, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Jmabel Additionally to the questionable choice of the category's name, the other choice to put the KKK instead of (for example) Amerigo Vespucci to represent European Americans is questionable. RVD3 (talk) 15:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- p.s., the abuse for defamatory purposes and/or association fallacy is another clear issue. RVD3 (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- @RVD3: I think it's even worse than your remarks suggest, because it puts images like File:Mother and nursing child detail, from- Dorothea Lange, Drought refugees from Oklahoma camping by the roadside, Blythe, California, 1936 (cropped).jpg in with images of the Ku Klux Klan. Jmabel ! talk 21:27, 27 February 2023 UTC
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Delete. After a rather long discussion, consensus is large towards deletion. Users have cited that most of the content would be better placed in other, often more specific, categories, and that the existence of this category has served as a vehicle for gathering content otherwise unrelated among themselves with various agendas. The following locations were suggested for content that could be described as White American history :
- For the history of White, European-descent people as the majority group of the U.S., Category:History of the United States and its subcategories.
- For the history of relations between the White majority and racial minorities of the U.S., racism-related and anti-racism-related categories, especially Category:Racial segregation in the United States.
- For the history of specific groups generally regarded as White, dedicated categories such as Category:Italian-American history
- For remaining content related to Whites seen collectively as a group and explicitly linked to the notion of being White, Category:White Americans or Category:White American culture.
Chinese is not a religion. There are already "Taoist temples" and "Buddhist temples" categories. Yann (talk) 14:52, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Info the category is a member of Category:Chinese temples by country which also includes Category:Chinese temples in Australia, Category:Chinese temples in Thailand, and Category:Chinese temples in the United States. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 16:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- IMO these categories do not make sense. Do we have a category "US temples in China"? They should be moved or renamed to "Taoist/Confucian/Buddhist temples by country". Yann (talk) 16:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- the source of this misconception is probably derived from enwiki en:Chinese temple architecture. Enwiki has also en:Chinese temples in Kolkata Estopedist1 (talk) 16:46, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- IMO these categories do not make sense. Do we have a category "US temples in China"? They should be moved or renamed to "Taoist/Confucian/Buddhist temples by country". Yann (talk) 16:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Seems to be a misconception what a Chinese temple is. You can have a Chinese temple in the same way you can have an English church. Moreso that in Chinese folk religion you can find Daoist, Buddhist, and Confucian elements, and some Chinese temples can incorporate the worship of Daoist and folk deities, as well as Buddhas, Bodhisattvas and Confucius in a single temple. And in some countries with multiple ethnicities, a Chinese Buddhist temple is different in character from a Thai Buddhist temple or Burmese Buddhist temple, so you can have different categories of Chinese temples and Buddhist temples since not all Chinese temples are Buddhist or Daoist, and not all Buddhist temples are Chinese temples. Hzh (talk) 13:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done: Withdrawn. --Yann (talk) 13:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Upmerge to Category:Apollo_Lunar_Modules It's a small category, we lose more from extra layers to navigate than from any reduction in number of members. Only half of these modules were ever named and the named ones here aren't even sorted by name. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I created this category and despite it is small, it will be easier to navigate from both Apollo Lunar Modules and Spacecraft by name instead of just from Apollo Lunar Modules. Besides, the LMs with names don't have to be sorted by name, since there are similar categories that don't do so (e.g. Crew Dragon capsules by name). --Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 06:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've no objection to this category itself, but they shouldn't be removed from Category:Apollo_Lunar_Modules. That just forces more navigation on readers, to no benefit. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:24, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- That means we should categorize individual landers to Spacecraft by name, which would make navigation harder for readers navigating through that category. I would also like to categorize Mercury capsules at Mercury capsules by name, but now I want to wait for this discussion to be closed before creating any such categories. Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 12:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- No, it means the opposite of that. Keep this category if you think it has any value (although I think simply sorting the landers to the start of Category:Apollo Lunar Modules would be simpler).
- All I want here is to keep the Apollo lunar modules present in Apollo Lunar Modules. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Whatever you say, I will stick to my view. Not all people use PC to navigate Commons (in fact, in the early days I used a smartphone to contribute in Commons), so mobile users might find it easier to categorise the landers separately. Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 14:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- That means we should categorize individual landers to Spacecraft by name, which would make navigation harder for readers navigating through that category. I would also like to categorize Mercury capsules at Mercury capsules by name, but now I want to wait for this discussion to be closed before creating any such categories. Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 12:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've no objection to this category itself, but they shouldn't be removed from Category:Apollo_Lunar_Modules. That just forces more navigation on readers, to no benefit. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:24, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. It's normal practice to drop individual spacecraft into a subcategory like this. And having them in both is against standard Commons practice. Please do not make such changes while discussions are ongoing. — Huntster (t @ c) 17:40, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Clear consensus to keep, although I was involved in the discussion under the username Soumya-8974. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 10:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
and Category:Former insurance companies in the Netherlands must be deleted. 212.174.190.23 12:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Why? Mosbatho (talk) 13:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Because former and actual go in the same category. --212.174.190.23 13:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
P.S. If not separate former generals, former artists (dead ones included), former presidents (for example make a category for former presidents of the USA and at the category presidents of the USA only keep the actual president and the former category). Isn't it stupid?
- There is a better category to cover these subcats and images: Category:Defunct companies of the Netherlands. I will replace the current category. Vysotsky (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Vysotsky: But couldn't a former company of the Netherlands be a company that moved out of the Netherlands and still exists somewhere else? -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- In theory that could be the case. But among the subcategories in this category I don't see such companies. Vysotsky (talk) 10:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- That is a maintenance issue. Anything in Category:Defunct companies of the Netherlands should in fact be defunct by a matter of definition. Active or otherwise non-defunct companies should be removed from that category post haste. Josh (talk) 08:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- In theory that could be the case. But among the subcategories in this category I don't see such companies. Vysotsky (talk) 10:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Former companies of the Netherlands should redirect to Category:Defunct companies of the Netherlands (though only actually defunct contents should ultimately remain there). Josh (talk) 08:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect made to cat. Defunct companies. Vysotsky (talk) 12:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC) Done
- Redirect made to cat. Defunct companies. Vysotsky (talk) 12:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Done: by Vysotsky. --Abzeronow (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Has two {{Category redirect}} calls to two different categories. This may cause some unintended behavior, and seems to be a natural case for a DAB instead of a redirect, I would think. Josh (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner: what about enwiki solution en:Category:Football venues? Estopedist1 (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Estopedist1: That was my first thought, but Category:Football is a DAB, so I went with that path instead, since 'football venues' is naturally a sub of 'football', and Commons DABs 'football' instead of using it as a parent for football derivatives. Josh (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with using a DAB but Category:American football venues by country makes the second redirect seem incorrect. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 12:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @Ricky81682: I would dab to Category:American football venues instead, you make a good point. I think the original redirect is from a 2007 CfD. Josh (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Joshbaumgartner, Estopedist1, and Ricky81682: Since Category:Football is no longer a dab, I think we should restore it as a broad-concept category with subcategories for different types of footballs. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sbb1413 Support, that sounds like a good plan.Josh (talk) 08:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sbb1413
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