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Kept. No valid reason for deletion. If there is a issue with the status of this logo being misunderstood, just edit the description accordingly. - Jmabel ! talk19:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This file was initially tagged by Juji-il-nu as Speedy (speedydelete) and the most recent rationale was: Personal photos by non-contributors Uploader not informed. Yann (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment There are many registrations and renewals for Blowin' in the Wind, but probably the relevant one for the lyrics is the renewal RE0000489980 from 1990, as it is for the song as it appeared in the pamphlet "Folk songs for everyone" compiled by Herbert Haufrecht and published in 1962. Probably people with more expertise in diving in renewals can find the right renewal. Günther Frager (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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It is a derivative work of a music composition by Jimi Hendrix. The composition, including its lyrics, was registered in 1968 (EU76076) and renewed in 1996 (RE736555). Günther Frager (talk) 12:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Google translation: "This file is not used and will not be used on Wikipedia." That is not a deletion reason. Could you please offer a deletion reason for all of the photos you're requesting deletion of? Are all of these people of no significance at all? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This map is an unnormalized choropleth map. It is therefore poor quality from a cartographic perspective, as it ignores cartographic norms, and beyond Not educationally useful, as "Failure to employ proper normalization will lead to an inappropriate and potentially misleading map in almost all cases." GeogSage (talk) 03:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Commnent: A misleading map that fails to follow the most basic of cartographic conventions used on dozens of wikis is an absolute disaster. This should not be an argument for keeping it, any more then if a false or misleading statement was on multiple pages. Instead, being used on dozens of wikis demonstrates exactly why it needs to be deleted, people without knowledge of maps but looking for one that fits the theme of their page will continue to embed this unnormalized map throughout the project as long as it is kept. The image is not salvageable, and from a cartographic perspective, the only ethical thing that can be done is delete it. I'm speaking both as a Wikipedia editor, and cartographer/GIS instructor.
On the page human, where I originally encountered this, I replaced it with two images (see below) that I lifted from the pages "cartogram" and "population density". Please see them attached. I'd recommend replacing all instances of this map on any Wiki project page with these two, or similar products, and then deleting this. I'm not sure how best to go about replacing all of the related images at once, but the idea that because a bad map is in widespread use it should be kept is how infodemics spread. This is the opposite of educationally useful, it is literally spreading false perceptions.
Mosaic cartogram showing the distribution of the global population based on 2018 UN data. Each of the 15,266 pixels represents the home country of 500,000 people – cartogram by Max Roser for Our World in Data
Keep. I don't even agree that the lack of normalization is a problem. Some maps show population density, and some show absolute population; this is not one of the former. If every map had to be "normalized", then WC and WP would only have maps showing intensity-related statistics and nothing else. The page on normalization clearly outlines that normalization is not meaningful in all cases, and this is clearly not one of those cases. Getsnoopy (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In the case of a choropleth map, it is absolutely a problem. The the appropriate use of choropleth maps is not really a question we need to debate, this map is misleading, inappropriate, and should be removed. If you know of other maps on WC and WP that are using choropleths to show absolute data, please nominate them for deletion. If you want sources on the importance of normalizing a choropleth map, the page for choropleth maps section on normalization has several sources, but if you need more I can get them. The rare cases that a choropleth could be used to display absolute data generally are so obscure that they don't warrant discussion, and in those strange situations, an alternative thematic map type can and should be used interchangeably to avoid confusion. If you want to show absolute population, you can use a different thematic map type, like the cartogram I've included as an example, proportional symbol maps, or dot density maps. Each one has advantages and weaknesses, appropriate and inappropriate use cases. This has been discussed at great length within the peer reviewed literature and cartographic texts. GeogSage (talk) 05:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In my opignon, what should be done is to provide an up-to-date population density map on Common, translated in all the languages using the actual map, and replace it where the population density is more appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thym (talk • contribs) 08:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is not an appropriate use for a choropleth map showing total populations. I have attached two alternative thematic maps, one showing population density in a choropleth, and another using a cartogram. There is absolutely no need for a low quality low effort choropleth showing total population when there are plenty of maps that are not failing to follow basic cartographic conventions. GeogSage (talk) 16:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, reluctantly, with a caveat. As I said on the WikiProject Maps discussion, I agree that this is a bad map that should not be used. However, after some consideration I don't think it's bad enough to warrant deleting it while many wikis are still using it. While it does invite incorrect interpretation, I think most readers will interpret it correctly. It's poorly-designed, but it's not false, and I think only something false would warrant a disruptive deletion.
That said, we can and should replace unnormalized chloropleths wherever we can. While M.Bitton is right that we shouldn't unilaterally make decisions for other wikis, everyone is free to edit any wikipedia. I'm going to go through some of these usages, starting with higher-profile wikipedias where I can somewhat communicate, and replace this with heatmaps or bubble plots. Most smaller wikipedias draw content from larger ones anyway, so I don't think it's true that editors will continue to embed this map if it is kept; I think it will fade away naturally. Justinkunimune (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Deutsch: Das Bild - Eigentümer Dietrich Rüger - ist NICHT MEHR AKTUELL und TYPISCH, Bitte entfernen, Dietrich Rüger 57520 Grünebach DWRueger (talk) 11:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Images prominently show the statue of the pope who reigned the Catholic Church in 1978–2005. This means the work is no earlier than 1978 (at most distant past year), and the sculptor hasn't died for more than 70 years, making it under sculptural copyright. Regrettably, Ukraine does not allow commercial freedom of panorama for anything copyrighted found in public.
File:2010 10 18 v5b.jpg - somehow low resolution; is it uploader's self-photographed photo?*
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This is a 1897 image published 1985. The book indicates publication in the UK, and has a copyright notice. Hence this expires "95 years from publication[] or 31 December 2047" per the Hirtle chart. Simultaneous publication in the US wouldn't make a difference due to the copyright notice. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - useless contributions}18:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This photograph was taken by U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Mary Junell, who appears to be a member of the North Carolina National Guard. If I recall correctly, works created by these sorts of individuals are not automatically in the public domain unless the person taking it is federalized at the time of the photo being taken, so this photograph may well be copyrighted as the photo's of a governor during a speech. The flickr source releases this photo only under CC-BY-ND, which is incompatible with the licensing policy. As such, I'm nominating this for deletion under the precautionary principle, as there is significant doubt as to the file's freedom. — Red-tailed hawk(nest)01:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think this is a case of the people managing the Flickr account simply not selecting the correct license. It's not unusual for a federal government agency to publish images with copyright notices restricting usage, even if they're superseded by their ineligibility for copyright. It looks like all images on this Flickr account have ND licenses and this one, like the others, has a Commons:VIRIN, which to me indicates that it's archived and managed by the Department of Defense as a photograph taken by a National Guard staffer during the course of their duties.
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Photo not taken by uploader, as indicated in both filename and Exif metadata. Unclear whether the creator has given their permission. Vesihiisi (talk) 07:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep What is the link to the new image, in the category, this is the best quality one, with correct attribution and license. This version has an image extracted, you are supposed to write over the old file, not add a second version. --RAN (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Out of scope - These are categorized under Grand Theft Auto VI, but they're created by an AI so they actually have nothing to do with Grand Theft Auto VI except that a machine that steals artists' work and regurgitates them poorly has decided that they match the prompt. Unused and unlikely to be used.
Comment Those images have actually been prompted by a well-known Brazilian website. They are, I’d say (and that’s the reason why I uploaded them here), more in scope than most AI-generated files that are uploaded here on a daily basis. I’d say Keep then, but I don’t oppose deletion at all. Cheers, RodRabelo7 (talk) 13:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Depicts the GTA world and its styles and tropes. In scope and unique, we don't have any other high-resolution image of the GTA world, themes, characters, or style. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keepa few – Too indiscriminate. Many of those are low-quality where I may favor a delete outcome. However, AI gobbledygook text being included somewhere is (usually) not a valid rationale for deletion since it can be easily removed (and replaced if needed). It just takes a minute or so using any of the three methods explained here and the uploader should have done this before uploading. I suggest the uploader does that now for some of the images. I don't know why people upload such low-quality AI art when there is and can be much higher-quality useful images of that kind. I think File:Female barbarian from space vs giant ant.jpg and File:Ai-generated tarzanide.jpg should be kept (especially if uploader fixes the text), the rest seems deletable.
The updater fixed the first images and the second one does not have "gobbledygook text" (which is the deletion rationale) and is in use so by definition educationally valuable according to Wikimedia Commons policy. Not sure if policies matter here anymore though, this place is turning into a totalitarianism of unilateral decisions by admins supported by one or or three refuted opinions. Prototyperspective (talk) 09:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. No obvious educational use for these images, even if the text were corrected or cropped out. AI images should be generated "on demand" to satisfy specific project needs, not "on spec" or to demonstrate capability. Omphalographer (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The uploader is apparently confusing Commons with a web space provider. Massively AI-created images, some of them clear violations of copyrights on characters, some of them pure fantasy passed off as historical reality, some of them even just plain racist. Not one of the images can be usefully used in an educational sense. On the contrary, a large proportion of the images are problematic in the opposite direction and spread the opposite of secure education, fantasy and speculation. Here you can see once again that AI-generated images are currently simply a problem and are in no way even close to solving problems.
I really didn't understand the arguments, I can even agree that some old arts are not of good quality, but I think they are all useless, I also didn't understand the supposed racism, as soon as I discovered that you can generate arts that simulate comics, I thought about putting characters blacks and Asians like black cowboys that have been rediscovered by history and are even used in fiction.Hyju (talk) 00:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is not an explanation and you stated that you vote (and nothing more than voting has been done) delete for all AI images, saying Due to both the copyright and ethical concerns, I am always in favor of deleting AI art, especially when we have any non-AI generated images that don't have those concerns. I've never seen you vote anything but for delete in AI-related DRs. The listed files are too indiscriminate and are often one very few relevant to a subject, many of them are in use, and a more discriminate subset may be worth deleting even though I don't see why these clearly AI-labeled images would be such a problem. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep indiscriminate, weird arguments— most or all of them are marked as “AI” so they’re obviously not supposed to be hoaxes, none of them I’ve seen obviously violate any copyrights, there’s no obvious “racism” whatsoever, and most importantly some are in legitimate use or are clearly in scope as illustrations of less well-known genres like cyberfunk or simply usable quality illustrations of things like anime art. The nominator is seemingly just indiscriminately targeting AI art out of personal prejudice. I wouldn’t oppose nominating some of the low quality, actually OOS or redundant images but we can’t just randomly cull dozens of images based mainly on how they were made. Dronebogus (talk) 06:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Indiscriminate, per Dronebogus, multiple of these are in use, and invalid false deletion rationale. some of them clear violations of copyrights on characters these should be deleted but you didn't name them and just made up a claim which I think is false. some of them pure fantasy passed off as historical reality none of these are claimed to be historical reality and they are clearly marked as AI-generated some of them even just plain racist very strange accusation that is not true at all. Not one of the images can be usefully used in an educational sense very false, many of them are the only or nearly one images that can help illustrate a concept (not necessarily on Wikipedia and with info that it's AI-made) such as an art style, are the only artistic depictions of archaic humans, illustrate how some kinds of comics or their subjects roughly looked like, or how to use AI. problematic in the opposite direction and spread the opposite of secure education again just a claim with no link to any policy or supporting explanation or even just referring to specific images fantasy and speculation is that meant to be an argument? Despite that WMC seems to have a bias against anything that aren't photographs, there very large amounts of fantasy-related images this image by NASA is also speculation File:Artistic depiction of a NASA lunar base.jpg or widely-used File:GAX-447.jpg. Fantasy and speculation are major aspects of human culture plus can be used to illustrate concepts (e.g. major subjects of fiction) and so on. A very small number of these images may be low quality out of scope but this is a strong keep for this indiscriminate unfounded nomination of a few files among over 100 million where these images are overall probably more useful than 90%. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with the comments of Omphalographer in the previous discussion. There is no need to store everyone's AI-generated images when they can be created on an as-needed basis. The images themselves are quite nice, but there is nothing unique or special about them and no clear educational purpose. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 04:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of them are the only images we have of topics like clockpunk— how is that not “unique or special”? More importantly, many of them are COM:INUSE! Nobody says “I think we should delete almost all pictures of grass and trees, they can be taken on an as-needed basis”. Dronebogus (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dronebogus You misunderstood me. I meant that they were not unique or special as AI-generated images. Hyju (or anyone else) could make similar images by the thousands whenever they desired. I suspect that if everyone suddenly decided to upload their pictures of grass and trees we would having a discussion about deleting those. You've seen COM:PENIS, right? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. They do and so far we don't. 2. Many of them are useful regardless of how difficult you hypothesize it to be to create them. While some may be worthy of deleting, the list is indiscriminate and includes many very useful ones. Prototyperspective (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Although I'd say I'm on the weak side due to how indiscriminate this is. Although you could maybe argue the few images of "clockpunk" (whatever that is) could be kept. I'm not really convinced that every image of "X art style" is worth having though simply because we don't have other images of it. There's at least nothing in Commons:Project scope saying anything about how images related to a certain subject become more in scope the less we have of them. Otherwise people could upload random nonsense, call it "whatever art style", and we'd be forced to keep the images purely due to their novelty.
Plus these images are extremely easy to re-create anyway. Has anyone bothered to look online to see if there's free licensed images of "clockpunk" by actually notable artists that they can upload? If not, then that should really be the default option here or really anywhere that has a gap in coverage. Not just to upload OOS amateur artwork and then act like it's the only option out there when it probably isn't. We should really be encouraging people adding "notable" artwork related to a specific genre to Commons though. Not whatever chicken scratch that's even slightly related to it that can easily be generated by AI. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is everyone so prejudiced against an artwork because an AI made it? The general assumption is that AI, unlike literally any other medium or mode of creating artwork, needs to be kept to the absolute bare minimum. Why? Dronebogus (talk) 11:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: for reference, the following files are legitimately COM:INUSE and should be kept regardless of whether anyone thinks the others are in scope:
To illustrate a risk or a subject of fiction to name just two. Stop assuming WMC images are just for Wikipedia and must be included somewhere to be useful; WMC isn't just for Wikipedia. Also most of these images are not about "events that did not happen". Prototyperspective (talk) 20:34, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My question was for Dronebogus, about some of the specific images that they listed. A Grizzly bear might somehow get into the lobby of the Empire State Building and attack tourists. Should I ask Bing to create an image to illustrate that possibility and add it to the article on Wikipedia for Grizzly bears and the Empire State Building, or just upload it here in case it is ever needed? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 21:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You’re arguing apples to oranges. You’re using a made up, non-notable nonsense example to argue against illustrating a notable purported event that didn’t happen with a hypothetical image of it happening, which nobody would object to if a human made it. Dronebogus (talk) 07:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which other images are there to illustrate the concept of rogue planets crashing into planets? That is or may be a notable subject of science and science fiction. Just because in your narrow preconceived notions you couldn't think of ways it could be valuable/useful doesn't mean that it isn't. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
:Delete Unused, out of scope personal fan art by a non-notable artist. Commons isn't here to be a personal file host, and no I'm not open to changing my vote. So it would be cool if the people who think the images should be kept skipped the argumentative, strawman nonsense. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You indiscriminately vote Delete either so it's impossible to convince you – you don't need to clarify that. Clear arguments for keeping have been made such as listing specific use-cases, clarifying that lots of these are in-use, and pointing out that this indiscriminate list and the vote users don't even provide explanations for deletion or make provably false statements such as pure fantasy passed off as historical reality. Truth, policies, and arguments don't matter here; what matters is the opinions of the voters by headcount it seems. Nothing of it is fan art but you still don't seem to have even read definitions of fan art. It's not a personal file host if useful images are kept and image creators don't need to be notable for useful media to be kept. Prototyperspective (talk) 15:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop responding to everyone you disagree with. Especially if it's me. I could really care less about your opinion. Especially when it comes to my voting habits or the arguments I make in DRs. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could, but I think the evidence shows that's not what I'm doing though. So maybe go find someone else to make up accusations about. I don't think Prototyperspective needs you playing defense for them anyway. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve struck this vote since Adamant1 has already voted. I want to assume good faith but at this point, between the incivility and bludgeoning and now this, Adamant1 is really skirting a trip to the user problems board. Dronebogus (talk) 18:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that. I didn't notice I had voted already. That can happen when a DR is mostly a wall of by a single user. Regardless, I appreciate that you struck out the redudent vote. Your free to leave me a message on my talk page if I make a mistake like that in the future and I'll fix it. I'm not really sure what your talking about in regardless to the incivility, bludgeoning, or responding to everyone who disagrees with me though. Since I didn't respond to either you or Prototyperspective when either one you voted keep even though I disagree with your reasons. It's rather hard to "respond to everyone who disagrees with me" when I'm not actually responding to people I disagree with ;) --Adamant1 (talk) 18:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/question: it's not that these are badly done. I'm just trying to understand why they would be in scope. They seem to me like (AI-generated) fan art. I could imagine a reason to keep a few images of AI-generated fan art as such, but normally we consider most fan art out of scope. Why, exactly, are these different? (Obviously, any that are in use should be kept.) - Jmabel ! talk23:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The overwhelming majority are not “fan art”. I’m not sure where this notion is coming from. There are too many files to go through why each of them may or may not be in scope but since we can’t reassess deleted files I think erring in the side of “in scope” is fair in these situations. Dronebogus (talk) 04:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are several images, not just drawings, but erotic photos of all kinds and even lolicon (and other comics with girls in panties, clearly they are children) on Commons, I've never seen any questions about them, I don't generate art with randomness , I know that many may not even be used, but the ones already mentioned about Hercolobus and Nibiru were to illustrate entries in Portuguese, even though they are pseudoscience, I thought they needed illustrations, there are already fanarts of Marvel characters, Elvis Presley and others deleted, but there are others types of fanarts that are there, I generated some of Nikola Tesla and even orishas, I've seen several AI fanarts and gods from all types of mythology, then I saw one of Oshun and thought there could be others. If you were to use these arguments here, a lot would have to be deleted.Hyju (talk) 10:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen a ton of questions about them. They often come up in DRs and a fair number are deleted. But the fact that there are other images of questionable value on Commons is neaither here nor there. My question, since I was told things were two broad, was how any of these three images are in scope. You have not answered that. And, yes, for the record, I would like to see a lot more of this sort of thing deleted. No problem with it being on the Internet somewhere else, but in Commons' terms it strikes me as sludge. - Jmabel ! talk18:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first image could illustrate fighting games. The second image could illustrate W:femdom or muscle fetishism. The third could illustrate manga or superheroes in anime and manga. Dronebogus (talk) 19:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe COM:SCOPE's "Must be realistically useful for an educational purpose" can be reduced to "could illustrate something." Any reasonably representational image could theoretically illustrate something, but presumably not every reasonably representational image is in scope, or we would have to accept all user-drawn art, maps of nonexistent places, porn, etc. - Jmabel ! talk21:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably too many rather different images in one DR (on that I agree with Dronebogus) and they should probably be brought back and DR'd in batches that have more in common. However, so far my inclination would be to delete any that are not in use, and that's how I'd expect to vote on the smaller batches, although I remain ready to be shown why some particular image(s) here is (are) in scope on their merits. - Jmabel ! talk21:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Per the discussion above, breaking this out into a group of smaller DRs. This group is prehistoric people: Out of scope - unused and unlikely to be used - these are purportedly prehistoric African people, but are in fact fantasy illustrations in a modern aesthetic, and have no encyclopedic purpose.
Delete Per the nominator. Clearly out of scope fan art. I'd probably not have an issue with keeping the one being used in Wikibooks, but I think it's worth deleting in this case considering the context with Prototyperspective and The Squirrel Conspiracy's point that they are ultimately fantasy illustrations in a modern aesthetic. Not actually prehistoric African people or even accurate depictions of them. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, concur with the above. No reason to have images of how Bing "thinks" a 1940s illustrator would illustrate prehistoric Africans. Images of subjects like this based on anthropological research or nationalist sentimentality are questionable enough. This is two more removes beyond that. - Jmabel ! talk00:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No valid deletion rationale was given and nothing suggests these images are anyhow "inaccurate". In addition there's lots of other images that may be inaccurate and a template like Template:Inaccurate paleoart could be added if it was. "prehistoric people" are not out of scope and nothing requires all illustrations to not have a modern digital art look but a 70+ years outdated barely usable "aesthetic". Instead, absurd claims pro deletion like nationalist sentimentality which is fully and entirely unrelated to these images. How do you even associate that? If it's anything it would be anti-nationalist since it illustrates African prehistoric people humans worldwide share ancestry with. Reasons and arguments don't matter anymore, it's the censorship-tyranny of unjustified subjective opinions of whatever most have voted for by very small headcount. These images should be kept since they are somewhat useful and more or less the only images of ancient and archaic humans in art when not including neanderthals.
While we keep quite tons of bizarre images as apparently educationally valuable, few of the only images depicting ancient humans apparently isn't. Explain that to somebody. Nothing in these images is very false despite that you allege they are inaccurate and they don't have to be used. Same goes for out of scope fan art – really? You still have not looked up fan art and spam deletion nominations with these provably wrong accusations? fantasy illustrations in a modern aesthetic is not a valid deletion rationale, rather it's a point pro realistic educational value. Other paintings of neanderthals or nearly anything are also fantasy illustrations and may be wrong, just not high-resolution modern digital art. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Similarly, insofar as Pan-Africanist or specific African nationalist images by established artists are available in PD or free-licensed versions, they are in scope. (And I agree with something you seem to be implying here, that we should have a lot more of that from an African perspective.) But things that are generated on the fly by a user or by an AI are not an acceptable substitute, any more than if I were to draw my own fantasia of, say, Rosa Luxemburg. - Jmabel ! talk22:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This addresses one point of many I made which is one that addressed your rationale. These images are more or less the first works depicting nonneanderthal Category:Ancient and archaic humans in art on WMC and are of high-quality with no known inaccuracies.
Even when you dismiss laboriously skillfully created AI images as "generated on the fly" that does not reduce the educational realistic usefulness of these fairly unique images. There are so few artworks and illustrations on WMC because we miss illustrators and because artists nearly never license them this way, not any of the reasons you may think of. You seem to only consider who made which artwork but that is secondary, most images on WMC are not produced by established notable people and COM:SCOPE nowhere suggests illustrations have to be either. We're overflowing with thousands of photos of the same subject but when Hyju uploads what could be the first art on Earth depicting archaic nonneanderthal archaic humans in the Commons that is out of scope fan art on a site that keeps who knows what. The only other image on WMC depicting that is the low-resolution one on the right. Prototyperspective (talk) 23:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"No known inaccuracies"? So we are to believe that prehistoric Africans had hairstyles from the 1960s (the two at left in File:AI African prehistoric tribe.jpg) or later (File:AI cavewoman.jpg) and adornments comparable to various African tribes in relatively recent centuries (all except possibly File:AI cavewoman.jpg)? "More or less the first": well, we do have File:Homo erectus pekinensis - facial reconstruction.png which appears to be based on the actual shape of a known Homo erectus skull; File:Homo antecessor statue.jpg which appears to be similarly based on actual research; File:Homo naledi facial reconstruction.jpg, File:Homo floresiensis - facial approximation - color 1.jpg and other similar images by Cicero Moraes et. al. which also appear to be rather serious efforts at facial reconstruction, etc. I will admit that I'm surprised we don't have (or I can't find) more scientifically-based images of early humans; I've certainly seen plenty of such images elsewhere, and I'd be surprised if none of them are either in the public domain or free-licensed, but I remain of the opinion that substituting fantasy images like this in contexts where such an image would be desired is the opposite of educational. - Jmabel ! talk04:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would they not have these hairstyles except for the one at the left in the first pic? And even that is possible and in addition could be solved by adding a note about this there such as the mentioned template. Why would they not have these adornments? 120 k years ago they already used marine shells for personal decoration. So nothing is inaccurate except for likely the hairstyle of one person which could be fixed in a new version of the image.
Computational facial reconstructions are not visual arts of the type paintings belong to and photos of statues and models in museum are also sth else – it's more or less the first when excluding the image above in that sense. Whatever you call this major part of art is not the issue, maybe call it creative art. Again, that it's on WMC doesn't mean that it has to be used. Hyju was helping close a major gap in WMC and even if that is only by enabling people to become aware of what is missing and providing rough outline of what could be seen. These images are very useful and clearly in scope. Prototyperspective (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The keywords used to generate these include “ historical art comic vintage 1940s”. That’s extremely concerning - basing these on 1940s comic books is one of the most bizarre rationales for historical accuracy I’ve ever heard being used! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 09:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Out of scope. Post-hoc speculation about how accurate this fantasy fan art may be to actual anthropology is not persuasive. Likewise, how faithful these generated works are to some actual artistic style is similarly arbitrary. Grayfell (talk) 00:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also note that if we are going for historical accuracy it is somewhat concerning to see them specify “ tribal dances ancomic vintage 1940s 4-color jungle”! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Per the discussion above, breaking this out into a group of smaller DRs. This group is Cyberpunk fan art: Out of scope - unused and unlikely to be used - it just seems to be a collection of images the uploader made and thought were cool. (Note, there is one file in this series that's being used in the Afrofuturism article on pt.wiki, which I did not nominate).
Delete, COM:OOS. I can understand the initial excitement in regards to text-to-image artificial intelligence, but now it is possible to evaluate more rationally that these images are out of scope. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per RodRabelo7 and Jmabel. I to can't see a reason to keep these images. It's questionable that "cyberfunk" is even artist genre and even if it was these images probably aren't the best way for us to educate people on it anyway. If they even are one to begin with, and I don't they are. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Per the discussion above, breaking this out into a group of smaller DRs. This group is Western-style comic characters: Out of scope - unused and unlikely to be used - it just seems to be a collection of images the uploader made and thought were cool. (Note, there are a few this series that are currently used in the mainspaces of sister projects, which I did not nominate).
I'm taking the liberty of creating a gallery here so I and others can eyeball these without needing to click into each file in this longish list. - Jmabel ! talk00:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'll admit these at least are fun, and the style is so simple that the AI can do it absolutely convincingly, but I still fail to see how they would be in scope. - Jmabel ! talk00:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Overly simplistic and inaccurate dipections of what the AI thinks pulp art looks like. There's already many other images on here that serve the same purpose, weren't created by AI, and don't have the issues with accuracy that these ones do. So I fail to see how these serve an educational purpose. At least more then amateur depictions of the same subjects by a non-notable artist would. If people really wanted to educate people on the art style they should just do it by uploading historical magazines or actual artwork by notable artists to do it with. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:29, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep emphasizing some imaginary policy that illustrations of things that aren’t and never will be real are OOS. I guess by that logic we should delete every image of bigfoot, ghosts, superheroes, Martians, conspiracy theories, myths and legends, fiction, notable hoaxes? Dronebogus (talk) 08:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dronebogus: It really depends. Sometimes illustrations of "fake" things are deleted. If want a recent example there was the Flag of Paraduin, which was deleted as OOS because Paraduin is a non-exiting microstate and there's plenty of other examples. Although your correct that "illustrations of things that aren’t and never will be real" are never going to be deleted, but I suspect that's more to do with other reasons besides them being illustrations or not real. Of course anyone can pick a random subject on here and find OOS images that haven't been deleted yet related to it as if that's some kind of indicator of something, it really isn't though. Except that no one has nominated the images for deletion yet. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised you don't know that already though, what with the time you've on Wikipedia dealing with AfDs and all. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"illustrations of things that aren’t and never will be real" can be in scope if the artist is notable, or they formed part of a notable work, or even without those they are genuinely representative' of a cultural phenomenon of belief in or representation of that unreal thing (e.g., on that last, a conventional representation of Bigfoot/Sasquatch such as File:Sasquatch.svg is not by a notable artist, is not part of a notable work, but it an example typical of imagery with plenty of currency in the real world). But users or AI making stuff up out of nowhere? Not in scope. - Jmabel ! talk23:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it is, Nibiru/Planet X is suppose to be 4 times the size of earth and probably mostly made of ice due to it's distance from the sun. So it's not like the illustration is at all accurate of the conspiracy theory anyway. But it does go to show exactly how untethered from any kind of educational value these images and the reason's for keeping them are. Not only is it an image of a non-exiting planet, it's not even an accurate illustration of said planet to begin with. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The second is useful as one of the only images potentially useful for illustrating the subgenre "Dieselpunk"; the planet collision images are some of the only potentially useful for illustrating the concept of rogue planets colliding; some of the raygun images are potentially useful for illustrating at high-quality and without magazine-cover-text pulp scifi magazine tropes and so on; most of the other images there are probably not nearly as useful and I don't see a big problem with deleting those but also I don't see why that would be needed (given which images we keep, how few images those are, how unproblematic these images are since they're properly categorized and labelled as AI-made, and because there's 100 million images with lots of TBs so a few images aren't such a problem), especially since one would have a better range of options to choose from in illustrating AI images for comics. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, except for File:AI Jenny Everywhere fanart.jpg, per Dronebogus and contextualized by w:Jenny Everywhere. Whether or not these are visually appealing to look at is besides the point. They are visually distinct from the style of art they emulate, which makes them poor for representation. To include these as a representation of an existing art style is badly misrepresenting that style. This undermines the educational value of real examples by causing confusion and muddying the waters. It's also worth noting that these kinds of images are trivially easy to generate and so they have no value from scarcity. Grayfell (talk) 00:52, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Per the discussion above, breaking this out into a group of smaller DRs. This group is Japanese-style comic characters: Out of scope - unused and unlikely to be used - it just seems to be a collection of images the uploader made and thought were cool. (Note, there is one upload in this series which is used in the article for Magical girl on He.Wiki, which I did not nominate).
Delete, COM:OOS. I can understand the initial excitement in regards to text-to-image artificial intelligence, but now it is possible to evaluate more rationally that these images are out of scope. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per other comments. I don't really see what's educational or in scope about these. Their subpar, amateurish and inaccurate depictions of the art styles at best. And AI artwork is somehow automatically in scope simply because of the art style or technology involved. So I don't really see any other reason to keep the images. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Per the discussion above, breaking this out into a group of smaller DRs. This group is Misc. characters in modern styles: Out of scope - unused and unlikely to be used - it just seems to be a collection of images the uploader made and thought were cool.
Delete. What is the argument for these being in scope? I sure don't see it. Most of these strike me as not even being very good for what they are (AI-generated work in genre styles), but it's not clear what would be the basis to keep them even if they constituted good work in these styles. - Jmabel ! talk00:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There's zero reason these images would be in scope and any claims to the contrary are just bad faithed gaming of the guidelines. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:34, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see how these could be useful and some like the second have misgeneration issues. Thanks for creating the gallery for glancing over the images which is useful. File:AI-generated walking girl.jpg is also nominated in the DR above so it should be excluded here (and I think it's one of the ~two that should be kept there). Weak keep for File:African American cyborg.jpg (sufficient quality etc) and KeepFile:Cyborg Frankenstein.jpg – a modern cyborg reimagination of / take on Frankenstein with no alternative image of that and sufficiently free of misgeneration.
Comment The "African American cyborg" looks to me influenced by 1970s Blaxploitation, while "Cyborg Frankenstein" seems specifically the Boris Karloff version of Frankenstein's Monster. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 18:03, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point there in regards to Frankenstein image while the incorporation of a notable genre style is only a point pro keeping. For the Frankenstein image there also is File:Frankenstein's monster (Boris Karloff).jpg and both just show the head from the same angle. It's not a very valuable image and could possibly be recreated in a way that looks less like the Boris Karloff version just to be sure. Prototyperspective (talk) 22:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Unidentified artwork by unidentified artist which appears to have been digitally reproduced on an 8.5"x11" sheet of paper (possibly laser printed) and then stapled to construction paper. Unclear whether this artwork is in the public domain. DanielPenfield (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Although it may still be subject to copyright law, under copyright law in various countries there are such things as Fair Use Doctrine (US) and Fair Dealing (UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) which are specifically designed to allow use of "other people's copyright protected material for the purpose of research, private study, education, satire, parody, criticism, review or news reporting, provided that what is done with the work is 'fair'."
In the circumstances, given the content of the image demonstrating the stated author's early lyrics predating those used in the recording of the song, as described in the body of the article, the material is necessary for the purpose of research, private study, education and review, and the simple inclusion of the image is by any account "fair". ParWoet (talk) 06:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was not fully cognizant of WP's approach to fair use; thank you for enlightening me. Fair enough... however, it does seem out of step with other 'encyclopedic' sources of information online and offline, specifically where an item that is allowed under the actual concept of legally permitted fair use in countries with wholly English Language context should be extended and made to take into account a hypothetical reading of the same item in a country or countries with a supposed and unidentified non-English Language context which do not have the same permissions for fair use.
Under [[2]] the comparison between the Dutch, the English and the Spanish WP highlights the way that WP works around the differences without implying that the rules in one country should affect things in another country.
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Per the discussion on Commons:Village_pump#AI_images these images are inaccurate, don't look anything like the people they supposedly depict, and the uploader refuses to remedy things by renaming or re-describing them as fictional characters from the 15th century. So these images should be deleted as pure disinformation, fan fiction fabrications. No better then fictional flags or shields or as someone on the village pump said, just drawing a picture of Paris on a scrap of paper.
Although maybe someone could argue these images are educational due to depicting where AI is at the moment. That argument has no bearing on if these particular images are educational though. At the end of the day all images created by AI illustrate where the technology is at. But what makes these particular images educational? Nothing. The images I took on vacation to Hawaii a few years illustrates where cell cameras were at that time. They still aren't appropriate for Commons though. The same goes for these images. Commons isn't a personal file host and an image doesn't somehow magically become educational "because technology." Nor does it justify the uploader trying to pass these images off as somehow representing real historical figures. That said, I'm more then willing to retract this if they alter the images to be about fictional 15th characters instead of real people.
"the uploader refuses to remedy things by renaming or re-describing them as fictional characters from the 15th century." You know very well these images does not depict fictional 15th century characters. Changing the description like that would be lying Trade (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter. They should be deleted anyway. I just think a better case could be made for keeping them if the images were clearly fictional. Like with the example I brought up on the village pump of a potato with a face drawn on it. I don't think you could argue an image like that would be in scope if the uploader was trying to pass it off as Jesus, since it doesn't serve an educational purpose as an image of the historical figure. Someone could probably get away with just uploading it as an image of a potato with a face drawn on it though. Although it's still questionable, but there's plenty of "fictional" images on here. But I think you have to draw a line when someone is saying "this is an accurate image of X person" when it isn't or "yeah, but what about all the dick pics on here?" Changing the descriptions wouldn't be lying, because the images look nothing like the real people. For that matter they don't even look the same from one image to the next. Otherwise your getting into some real postmodern nonsense where everyone with the same color hair and eyes is Giovanna IV di Napoli. At that point we might as well say screw the whole thing turn this into a personal file host. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"the uploader refuses to remedy things by renaming or re-describing them as fictional characters from the 15th century". L'utente ha semplicemente detto che è da pazzi pretendere che io mi metta a rinominare 40 immagini ad una ad una. Se questa è la scusa per cui andrebbero cancellate, allora posso benissimo ricaricarle con nuovo titolo dopo l'eliminazione, no? Inoltre è scorretto rinominarli come personaggi immaginari, perché la mia richiesta all'intelligenza artificiale è stata di personaggi storici ben precisi, e questo è il risultato che ha offerto. Se vanno rinominate, va semplicemente precisato che si tratta di immagini artificiali.
Non merito l'accusa di falsificazione, ho sempre lavorato per depurare Wikimedia dalla caterva di attribuzioni false che si erano accumulate negli anni, e non ho mai voluto spacciare queste immagine per dipinti reali, come dimostra la loro stessa descrizione e la creazione di categorie a parte (ex: Ferrandino d'Aragona in immagini generate da intelligenza artificiale).
La presenza di queste immagini su Wikimedia è istruttivo in quanto fine a dimostrare il risultato e la capacità di creazione di personaggi e fatti storici da parte dell'intelligenza artificiale. Queste immagini sono del resto generalmente accettate, come dimostra l'esistenza di categorie specifiche su Microsoft Bing e intelligenza artificiale, che sono state inserite in tutte le immagini da me caricate.
Il grado di somiglianza e di verosimiglianza storica non è un'obiezione ragionevole, perché Microsoft è da considerarsi l'artista produttore e a lui è andata la scelta su come realizzare queste immagini. Ma se anche fosse un'obiezione ragionevole, comunque ho caricato esclusivamente immagini dove i soggetti presentano significativi tratti di somiglianza coi loro dipinti reali.
Sarebbe sensato operare una ulteriore selezione cancellando le immagini superflue e lasciandone solo una o due rappresentative (le migliori), ma l'eliminazione totale è una perdita per Wikimedia, non di certo un guadagno. Beaest (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, I don't mean they are falsifications because of anything on your end. But AI isn't exactly historically accurate and as someone else pointed out, one of the images has a monument in it that didn't exist at the time. Although your still saying they represent "historical facts" even though we have established that's not the case. So the claim that your not intentionally falsifying or misrepresenting anything is insincere at best. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of course not, but it's a distinction without a purpose if he's going to double down on how they represent the figures and time period, or attack people, instead of just fixing the problems. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:02, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with removing all AI generated images unless they're specifically being used for the topic of AI generated images. These aren't historic. They aren't anything. They have no value. GMGtalk19:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep
I think they do look similar albeit it could be better (quite good already for current AI generators with so few pics to train on though; note that the AI images could depict the same person at a younger age than in the source drawings of the person)
that's not necessarily a reason for deletion or objecting to these images entirely; it may be relevant to portraits but when the focus of an image is a historical scene/event rather than the person it matters much less how the person looks like. (Moreover, prior artworks aren't photographs and are known to differ significantly from how the people actually looked like.)
I value these images not for the people depicted in it but the ancient settings, the artistic aspects, and the way they were made, all of which is educational, unlike many other images kept again and again for no good reason other than apparently somehow not being prohibited by current policy (which these images clearly aren't). These images here are high-quality and not just educational but realistically educational. I would support modifications to the images that make them look more like in the few images of the real person, for removing any misgeneration or unrealistic objects in the background, and a license change to public domain. Changing the files so they do not claim to depict a real person until they look even more similar may or may not be a good thing but in any case it's not necessary here.
Delete, regardless. As others have mentioned: these aren't historical images. At best they're vaguely based on contemporary artwork of this person, and in many cases they have additional visual or factual inaccuracies. They have no educational value. Omphalographer (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They have educational value in showing how AI art can or can't be used to depict historical figures in past scenes or AI art to depict any kind of past sceneries. That is already enough but there are many other purposes. What's so difficult to understand about it?
I download it, fix it and use the image for my blog that talks about life in the middle ages or whatever or a Wikipedia article about AI art depicting historical figures and how current generators currently fail. Specific concrete clearly educational purposes. None such have been provided for other cases where images have been kept.
Further refuting all those invalid rationales for deletion: no, most of these nominated images don't show people with six fingers, and not even other misgeneration. Prototyperspective (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The six fingers aside, have you looked at the people's faces in the backgrounds of the images? They all look like mutants. Yet supposedly according to you the images are "high-quality and quite realistic." If that's true then I guess everyone in the 15th century besides Ferdinand II of Naples had their faces mutilated lol. You can't just fix that either. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That can also be fixed in a minute with skills now already via img2img, not even talking about which other tools are available in a year from now.
One could also just blur them. These issues are completely normal for AI art and in some of the images the faces are so far away and so much in the background that it's not or may not be a big problem. The file description makes clear it's AI art so you can check if it's good for whatever purpose it's intended. Why do people expect it to perfect suddenly, images in between really bad and perfectly realistic portrayals can be valuable as well. Prototyperspective (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It should't be on other users to "fix" images after the fact anyway. The uploader is, or at least should be, fully responsible for making sure images they create are accurate before uploading them. Of course minor mistakes will happen. That doesn't mean people should have free rein to upload clearly inaccurate images containing places in them that didn't even exit at time. Let alone should they expect us to just fix the issues. Especially if said people are just going to act like the images are high quality historical facts or whatever instead of correcting things. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really see how that's meaningfully different than me uploading my kid's drawing of George Washington. Of course you can imagine some use-case if you're willing to get specific enough. Say you for some reason want to write a post about children's drawings of presidents. Of course the fact that George has a mitten for a hand because she's not very good at drawing fingers, can be fixed if we fire up GIMP or Photoshop.
But in this case it's AI, and so you have an infinite number of children drawing an infinite number of pictures. So if you need one, then just go get it. We're not just talking about images that need fixing to be useful, but images that are imminently, literally infinitely replaceable. GMGtalk12:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GreenMeansGo Rispondo solo per la giustizia della causa, non perché io voglia ancora mantenere le mie immagini su Wikimedia: vorrei vedere quale bambino riuscirebbe mai a realizzare questo o questo. Non ci riescono neppure la maggior parte dei pittori adulti. Generalizzare e dire che tutte le immagini generate da intelligenza siano di scarsa qualità e necessitino di aggiustamenti non è vero, molte non hanno bisogno di nessuna modifica. Per lo stesso motivo per cui vengono cancellate queste, ossia la polemica sull'utilizzo, dovrebbero essere cancellate anche le altre migliaia di immagini infinitamente più inutili che tuttavia per qualche ragione vengono mantenute, e ne sono state elencate un bel po'. Beaest (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Except that AI images are utterly devoid of anything approaching authenticity or meaningfulness. They are limitless and bounded only by how many times someone cares to push a button. That's not even getting into the copyright issues and whether these count as derivative works. We simply don't, can't know what works AI images draw from. It's being litigated in the courts right now, and it will probably be at least five years before we have a definite answer. GMGtalk12:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The opposite is the case: where artwork only made using traditional tools are often largely about artistic skills, digital AI-based artworks are usually about what is being depicted, creative thinking, novel ideas, and so on. They can be very meaningful, it is even facilitated that they are more meaningful than traditional art. They aren't derivative, it works similar to a human who grows up with visual experience including looking at images (age 0 to whenever the artwork is made). Please don't project your personal experience onto others. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:54, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not they are derivative works in a legal sense is very much not a settled issue. That not even the creators can tell what works it's drawing from is a Pandora's box of potential copyright issues. GMGtalk13:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They aren't derivative, it works similar to a human who grows up with visual experience I've had Dall-E create some pretty accurate artwork of Batman, Superman, and Robocop. Are you seriously going to argue those images aren't derivatives or that Dall-E created them purely through "growing up with visual experinces" or whatever instead of because it was specifically trained on images of those characters? Its not a sentient life form that just happens to create 1/1 images of exiting characters through random chance or pure ingenuity on its part. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ho cambiato idea. Ho messo impegno e fatica nella generazione di queste immagini e non voglio che rimangano in un luogo dove non sono apprezzate e dove sarebbero guardate con diffidenza, perciò vi invito a rimuovere non solo queste ma tutte quelle che ho caricato finora anche nelle altre categorie. Preferisco pubblicarle dove la gente sappia che le sta usando perché mio è stato l'interesse di generarle. Beaest (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As the person who first raised this issue (at COM:VP), I'm finally getting here after (1) sleeping a night and (2) spending my morning doing other things. This has gotten much more hostile than it needed to be, and it looks like people have driven away a contributor, which is not good. I don't necessarily think these images should be deleted (or at least not all of them), though I do think several things do need to happen:
The copyright situation needs to be described accurately (in particular: these are in the public domain).
The prompt(s) provided to generate each image need to be explicit.
The categorization needs to reflect the fact that these are AI-generated images in response to a prompt, not things with any closer relation than that to the subjects portrayed.
I do think we should want to have a fair number of images that show what, in 2023, you would get if you asked Bing to draw a particular subject. I just don't think those should be allowed to overwhelm topical categories that can be reasonably expected to contain historically significant, potentially educational images related to the topic at hand. Pinging @Beaest perché anche se hai deciso di andartene, volevo che tu avessi mie notizie, da quando ho iniziato questa cosa. - Jmabel ! talk20:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel questa non è l'unica discussione che si è aperta in proposito, se ne è parlato moltissimo anche su Wikipedia Italia, e gli utenti non sono stati sempre rispettosi nei miei confronti, non sapendo neppure distinguere tra immagini che avevo caricato come "curiose", proprio per la resa imperfetta dell'intelligenza, altre che avevo caricato come serie, e altre ancora come artistiche. Ho trovato poche persone a favore e molte contro, non mi pare il caso di proseguire una lotta per qualcosa che dagli altri non è apprezzata, io da parte mia ho condiviso queste immagini con tanto piacere e tanta voglia di rendermi utile agli altri. Perciò non mi importa più se deciderete per la cancellazione o per il mantenimento, purché la regola sia applicata a tutte le immagini indistintamente. Cioè sono d'accordo (fin dall'inizio) sul mantenimento selettivo delle immagini migliori e sulla eliminazione delle rimanenti, ma non accetto che, per esempio, vengano cancellate tutte le immagini relative a Ferrandino d'Aragona e mantenute invece quelle su Vincenzo Calmeta, perché non sarebbe giusto. Se si svuota una categoria, si svuotano anche le altre. E se si applica una selezione a una, si applica anche alle altre.
@Beaest: If you can accurately indicate the prompts, then I think these become useful (but still should be placed in subcategories that place them at one remove from the illustrated topics). - Jmabel ! talk21:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The images should really have "AI art" in the file names to. Otherwise there's no way for anyone to they were generated by AI once the files are downloaded or come up on Google Images. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
comment For sure, any painter performed some studies before realising a painting that now is conserved in a museum. Besides, the same paintings are commonly used in books to illustrate the same arguments that we are treating on Wikipedia. Finally, there are plenty of sources discussing the reliability of those paintings (i.e., interested people can obtain reliable judgments on the historical reliability of the painting). The same cannot be said for AI generated images. At the current tecnological level, I don't see any equivalence between the images proposed for deletion and an historical painting shown in a museum. Maybe, an use can be found for the images whose deletion is discussed, but not for seriously illustrate the articles on Ferdinand II of Naples or his wife Joanna. --Harlock81 (talk) 00:09, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Beaest: is this edit acceptable to you? If so, between that and the recategorization already done, I would vote keep (and would do the same for others of these images where the analogous edits were made). - Jmabel ! talk19:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel per me è accettabile, sebbene certo se avessi saputo prima che sarebbe stato pubblicato avrei evitato il dettaglio della "bocca storta" (povero Ferrandino!) Beaest (talk) 20:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as important presedent. We're currently being flooded with AI art, and well-intentioned or not, it is basically all Commons:out of scope, unverifiable, and in the worst cases, misleadingn and harmful. Using AI to upscale existing images or similar is one thing, creating fake "historical" images from scratch is another. This practice should be entirely banned, in my opinion, unless maybe for limited use as joke images on user and talk pages, while clearly labelled as such. FunkMonk (talk) 20:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, just in the field of paleontology alone we've had many completely useless files upload that were DR'ed and deleted. Even if we disregard scope, these images are unverifiable and misleading. As for scope, images have to have educational value. If they're both unveirfiable and potentially accurate, there goes that justification. FunkMonk (talk) 21:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since I regularly check for AI generated images for example that is not the case. That a few AI generated images just strengthens my point and doesn't show how we're "getting flooded" with it. As I explained – including very specific use-cases/examples which are missing in debates of much less realistically educational images and despite of this not being required – these images are educationally valuable in multiple ways. I'm not saying they're as educational as paleoart or all extremely educationally valuable. And they are clearly marked as AI generated and thereby also not misleading. False claims and invalid deletion rationale. Prototyperspective (talk) 20:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we're necessarily getting flooded with it either, but the amount of files we're hosting shouldn't really matter anyway should it? The nature of the thing doesn't change if it's a thousand files or ten thousand. AI generated images are still an issue and one that should be dealt with. There could be a way to do that while allowing for some exceptions. For instance someone on the Village Pump mentioned icons, but then there doesn't seem to be a will for that and it's not like they wouldn't have the same issues as other AI generated art anyway.
Personally, I think the best route to go here is ban it for now per Commons:Project scope and then slowly phase in exceptions as the technology and laws around it improve. Like maybe at some point there will be an AI image generator trained purely on public domain artwork. Then we could allow for images specifically from that generator. I don't think there are any at this point though. Regardless though, the technology is to new and it's to much of a legal grey area to at least have some guard rails in place. But you can't really get to that with how the policy is now. Plus there's to much risk of problems in the interim. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's what people been saying many times earlier, indeed. They are not an issue but a historic yet underappreciated boon for the Commons world with incredible potential. It doesn't matter whether or not one sees potential and/or much value in them – they simply are not a problem. One thing to consider is to only allow AI art uploaded or CCBY-licensed by the person who prompted (and in some cases modified) it. And no, that will never be feasible. It's not a legal grey area when the person who made it uploaded it and it's not made via img2img from a copyrighted image. These images are within scope a) by definition b) since their educationally valuable and unlike other kept images realistically so with some specific use-cases elaborated and c) aren't an issue by the concerns you raised. Prototyperspective (talk) 21:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So essentially everyone else is wrong and your right? OK. Anyway, I don't think anyone disagrees that AI art has incredible potential. That's different then current practicality or reliability though. For all we know AI art generators could be outlawed in a few years and the project isn't served by jumping on the latest technology trends the second they come out regardless. Your counter argument to that seems to just be either treating us like we don't understand and hate the technology, or going off on aspirational platitudes about the technology. It's fine if you don't think the AI generates derivatives, but please at least back that up with something more credible then just treating me like I'm an ignorant liar when I say it does or saying it doesn't matter because the technology has incredible potential. Or at least be willing to meet other people half way and pose a reasonable alternative to what we currently have if you don't think it should be banned outright. That's all I'm saying. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For all we know AI art generators could be outlawed in a few years Not going to happen but quite illustrative in regards to how you think about it.
everyone else is wrong Provably false assuming you refer to the images being in scope.
like I'm an ignorant liar I'm not saying that. Again, what I'm saying is that it is false, not supported by anything and clearly impossible.
It's fine if you don't think the AI generates derivatives I also wasn't saying that. It can generate derivatives if you engineer the prompt to make it so. If you ask it to generate "An image of Loki Laufeyson holding hammer in Avengers Infinity War, Avengers Infinity War, Tom Hiddleston" (and further describe the specific movie scene) or whatever you may get a derivative which we should simply delete as it's currently being done. Such deletions are the alternative. Further ideas include requiring the image to be categorized only into "XYZ in art" but not "XYZ" categories and at least one subcategory of "AI-generated images" and, for making it easier to spot issues, requiring users by policy to specify if they used img2img (including a link to the input image) and maybe requiring original uploaders to specify the used prompts. In addition we do need a prominent template about the image being AI-generated that is put beneath them as I already suggested at the Upload Wizard feedback page and elsewhere so there's no dependency on users looking at file descriptions and categories. Prototyperspective (talk) 01:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not going to happen but quite illustrative in regards to how you think about it.@Prototyperspective: I was just reading something about how an AI model got blocked from a server without warning because it supposedly generated CSAM. So it's not like I was basing that on nothing. Enjoy the cope though. Your probably one of those people who think Bitcoin is going to replace fiat currency any second now to aren't you? Lmao. Regardless, how much CSAM do you think AI art generators would have to create before we collectively say to hell with it or some court outright makes them illegal? Let me guess "you just don't understand the technology!"
Further ideas include requiring the image to be categorized only into "XYZ in art" but not "XYZ" categories That's a good idea, but realistically no one is going to do that. Even if they did though, it still doesn't solve the fact that the files look nothing like the people or settings they claim to be images off. Be my guest and put this file in a subcategory of 2000s nightclubs specifically for AI generated artwork though, but it's still not an image of a nightclub in the 2000s. So how exactly does that fix any of the issues that people have with AI artwork to begin with? All it does is move the problems somewhere else without actually dealing with anything. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your probably one of those people who think Bitcoin is going to replace fiat currency any second now to aren't you? No, not I'm not, not at all. Nice Ad hominem though, even worse than the rest of that which just throws around a bunch of allegations while evading all the points I raised. no one is going to do that It's not they themselves but other users and them after they got warned and this was just one idea other than "let's ban everything!1" knee-jerk reaction. That example image is not even in that category. Prototyperspective (talk) 17:02, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nice Ad hominem though I mean, that's essentially been your whole tactic since the start of this. So..Maybe save it next time if you don't want people to eventually treat you the same way. Your comment that people have the attitude of "let's ban everything!1" is a good example of that. No one is saying we should ban everything. I've said multiple times now I'd support a reasonable policy around this and that I'd be happy retracting the DR if Beaest re-named the files and stop acting like they are historically accurate.
I could sit here all day here with the totally moderate, modest position that we just shouldn't be treating AI artwork like it's "high quality, historical facts" and you just bemoan about I'm bias, don't understand the technology, and just want to ban everything. While at the same time acting like I'm the with the knee-jerk reaction. When that's literally all you've done since the start of this.
Regardless though, the point I was making is that you have the same attitude as "Bitcoin bros" that anyone who wants it to be regulated just hates the technology and doesn't understand how it works. They aren't any more willing to have an actual, fair discussion about Bitcoin and it's merrits anymore then you are when it comes to AI generated art. There's a ton of options out there about how we could do this in a reasonable way though. Your not willing to entertain any of them though. That's fine, but maybe at least sit down and let people who are handle this. Instead of trying to suck all the oxygen out of the discussion by reflexively attacking anyone who's even slightly at all skeptical of AI artwork. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
essentially been your whole tactic since the start of this In contrast to you I've been making clear points, making rational arguments/reasons rather than attacking the other person with allegations while largely ignoring counterpoints. I have not made a single Ad hominem but raised points. Your not willing to entertain any of them You mean because it was me who brought them forward in length right the first time somebody asked for alternative options? There's a ton of options out there about how we could do this in a reasonable way though Then why do I need to make them instead of you or other people apparently interesting in banning all or nearly all AI generated images? Prototyperspective (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fan fiction or fanfiction is fictional writing written in an amateur capacity by fans, unauthorized by, but based on an existing work of fiction. What is the "existing work of fiction" here?
I listed multiple ways these images can be useful, making sure that unlike other DRs I bring precise actual specific use-cases. Nothing (like an explanation referring to a quoted policy) suggests these are out of scope.
I don't have time to add them all to the deletion request. If anyone wants to add them for me though, feel free to. Otherwise I'll nominate them for deletion after this is closed depending on the outcome. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Scan of a photographic print is no evidence for a copyvio. And some users do confuse date of photography with date of scan. That's a common problem but also no evidence. -- Herbert Ortner (talk) 10:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The photo contains lyrics still under copyright in the US. "When the Music's Over" was registered in 1967 (EU17988) and its copyright was renewed in 1995 (RE713684). "Strange Days" was registered in 1967 (EU17981) and its copyright was renewed in 1995 (RE713677). Günther Frager (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The uploader may have translated the text (thus its own copyright), but it is a derivative work from a text by Nenad Stoijkov. Also, there is no information of the copyright status of the two images from the article. We need a permission from the author of the original text and the licenses / permission from the images. Günther Frager (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete all. The "pngtree" image is clearly a stock photo based on the filename, and "Luxurious-bedrooms" and "Yellow-lightning" probably are as well. "Fight or Run" is an altered video game screenshot, potentially below the threshold of originality but with no educational value. Omphalographer (talk) 18:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The lyrics were written by Giuseppe Petralia (1906-2000) and therefore it is still protected in Italy, its country of origin. We can undelete it 2071. Günther Frager (talk) 17:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The template {{PD-text}} cannot be applied to lyrics, as they are literary works. The song was published in 1990 as the copyright information in the image states. Clealry it is still copyrighted in the US (70 years pma). Günther Frager (talk) 17:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This appears to be the same statue as the one stated at w:uk:Пам'ятники Вінниці#Колишні пам'ятники. Again, its removal in 2022 does not take away sculptors' posthumous copyrights. The list article claims the artists behind this monument are Нікогосян and Мурадян. As commercial freedom of panorama is not granted in Ukraine, images of this statue cannot be freely licensed under commercial Creative Commons licenses. Therefore, these images are violations of sculptural copyrights.
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There is no commercial freedom of panorama in Ukraine. Per w:uk:Пам'ятник на честь Жовтневого повстання, the monument dates to 1968. Assuming the sculptor is anonymous, it falls public domain in Ukraine by 2039, but since Ukraine does not grant usable commercial freedom of panorama, these images are at mercy of U.S. copyright (95+1 years after the publication or public display), which expires by 2064. U.S. copyright can be ignored, if only Ukraine had commercial freedom of panorama (see {{Not-free-US-FOP}}).
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Keep Artist died in 1907 and license is correct and we are past the courtesy period. This isn't a personal photo, so it would just be uploaded again from the source. --RAN (talk) 20:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nejedná se dílo malíře Aloise Vraného a označení obrazuje je bohužel zavádějící a chybné. Chybička se vloudila, za což se omlouvám. Bylo by vhodné foto smazat.Martin wolf (talk) 09:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Uploaded image to participate in October Silhouette photo challenge. Now that it is over and lost, wanted to take it down. Hence, no longer used. Thanks Whiteboardslayer (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That an image did not win a photo challenge is not a reason to delete; see COM:SCOPE - is the image in project scope? (I am unsure with this image, IMO it might potentially be more useful if there was information about location.) If you do not consent to IRREVOCABLE free licensing of your work, please try to request deletion PROMPTLY - 6 weeks is rather late for deletion for no reason other than uploader request. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Courtesy belated uploader request. Unidentified location limits potential usefulness. @Whiteboardslayer: IMO a good photo, regardless of whether it wins a contest. I hope you'll contribute others with better information about what/where is shown. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 16:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The source of image is the official website from Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick and in its disclaimer is states that their content can only be used for educational, private or reporting purposes. That is, it doesn't grant a free license. I did a reverse search and I couldn't find in their Flickr account (normally with CC-BY or CC0 license). Günther Frager (talk) 00:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. COM:COSTUME states: the community has not accepted this strict view, and Present consensus is that "files that merely show people cosplaying" are acceptable. This file depicts a performer in a costume, that fits the criteria. Commons has many files of performers and costumers wearing accurate character masks for this reason. See, for example, the many discussions at File talk:Spiderman and child.jpg. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't merely "a person cosplaying", though; it's an employee or contractor of Nintendo wearing a fairly complex full-body costume as part of an organized (if informal) performance. Omphalographer (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the nature of the person in costume really matters, whether it's a cosplayer or an employee. In the end, the same thing can be said about both: the image depicts a person performing in costume. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is not so much the nature of the person, but the nature of the costume. It is an officially produced Mario costume, and I think that Nintendo would fully see it as their property. (Oinkers42) (talk) 03:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Dear (name removed),
We received your e-mail of 4 December 2023.
Thank you for alerting us to the two images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. We confirm that these two images belong to the Ministry of Transport, and we did not grant the user “Sgtrainengr” permission to publish them.
We would appreciate it if you could facilitate taking down the images from Wikimedia Commons.
Thank you for your assistance in this matter.
Yours sincerely,
(name removed)
For Quality Service Manager
Ministry of Transport S5A-0043Talk04:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The summary states it has no author, however the image clearly states the author of the lyrics is Herms Niels. Since he died in 1954, it is still protected by copyright in Germany its country of origin. Günther Frager (talk) 16:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The scan might be own work, but the article is still copyrighted in Sebia (70 yeas pma). Notice that before 2004, the Yugoslav Copyright act was used that give 50 years pma protection. Günther Frager (talk) 17:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Likely license laundering, the Flickr account has no followers, only a couple of images (the ones here), and they were uploaded to Flickr the same day, they were uploaded here.
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Uncontextextualized, unamed, unclear photo that several folks have tried to identify, but can't. Its been on commons for a decade Sadads (talk) 23:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The monument may be gone now as per w:uk:Пам'ятники Вінниці#Колишні пам'ятники, but removal does not magically grab away sculptors' economic rights to favor content creators and Wikimedian photographers. Commercial freedom of panorama is not granted in Ukraine. The bust was installed in 1980 and authored by sculptors Яків Куленко and Володимир Спусканюк (both are still alive as of this writing). Commercial Creative Commons licensing clearances from them must be sent to Wikimedia through email. If they oppose commercial CC, then these images should be taken down.
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One more unfree monument of Taras Shevchenko in a country not allowing commercial uses of public monuments like in postcards or YouTube creators' paid vlogs. According to w:uk:Пам'ятники Вінниці, the sculpture dates to 2014 and was authored by artists Анатолій Гайдамака (died 2023) and Володимир Цісарик (still alive). This makes the public monument unfree. Commercial freedom of panorama is not granted in Ukraine.
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CommentОскольские говоры. Oskol dialects are dialects of the South Russian dialect, common in the eastern part of the Belgorod region. They are part of the interzonal dialects. Oskol dialects are not an integral group of dialects, since their territory is not distinguished by a bunch of isoglosses and, accordingly, there are no combinations of areas of specific local dialect phenomena; any dialect features in Oskol dialects are characterized by inconsistent distribution, including many features of neighboring groups of dialects.
The Belgorod dialect is a term for a group of deep dialects that were formed under the influence of several languages, including Russian, Ukrainian, as well as Turkic languages and Arabic. In the Belgorod region there are villages with their own dialect, the total number of speakers of which is approximately 3,000 people.
There is a variant alphabet for the Belgorod dialect, which was created by enthusiasts to preserve and study this language along with other regional languages of Russia. However, despite the interest in this language and alphabet from enthusiasts, it did not receive official status.
To summarize: Delete as original research that does not have official status. Outside the scope of our project IMO -- George Chernilevskytalk18:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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J'ai bien l'autorisation du créateur de l'affiche, et de l'auteur des photographies. ClaudeH (d) 09:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC) ClaudeH (talk) 09:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Uploader would need to be creator and copyright holder for both the poster and the COM:DW photo used; given user's other uploads I doubt this is the case. A copyright notice with a name other than the uploader's is visible. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak delete. It is close, but when you look at the examples at COM:TOO US, I find the Android logo to be of similar cartoony complexity and that was held to be copyrightable. US threshold of originality is relatively high but it can also seem a bit inconsistent at times in individual examples. What really pushes this over the edge for me are the 3D elements and detail on the tongue. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Obviously a campaign poster. If uploader can provide permission of the candidate to the VRT, it should be kept or restored. Without explicit permission that it can be used in Commons/WP, we have to delete it. --Enyavar (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Es una entrada que se creo por error en 2016 con una foto y un título mal puesto y ahora queremos actualizar la biografía de la banda para tener una entrada más profesional. Los Zigalas (talk) 11:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Quiero añadir esta foto a la entrada principal de Los Zigalas y no que se suba sola ya que ahora no me deja añadir este archivo a mi página prinicpal. Los Zigalas (talk) 11:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Quiero solicitar el borrado ya que quiero adjuntar ésta foto a la página principal del grupo y se me está subiendo de forma individual y me dice que ya está subida. Los Zigalas (talk) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Les images de logos de marques déposées, de bâtiments récents et de monnaies, protégées par le droit d'auteur doivent être publiés sur Wikipédia et non via la plateforme Wikimedia Commons. Ce logo est la représentation graphique d'une marque déposée soumise au droit des marques. Sugiiiiii (talk) 12:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep From https://www.whitehouse.gov/copyright/: "Except where otherwise noted, third-party content on this site is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License", which is a compatible license. If Cheriss May is not an employee of the federal government, then the photo is third-party content released under the CC license. The White House asserts that she has given permission, and they tend to respect intellectual property. ― Tartan357Talk01:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Ce fichier devrait être supprimer car la police utilisé pour faire ce logo est conçu sous droit d'auteur et payant donc pour en éviter des problèmes, je voudrais éliminer cette image vite que possible. Carlosbfta (talk) 17:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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@Yann Part of the logo is an artistic and complex rendering of the word مهتاب (Mahtaab), So I wouldn't tag this as PD-textlogo since there are complex shapes included in the logo. Also, since this logo belongs to an Iranian company and was designed/created in Iran, per COM:TOO Iran, TOO is too low to count this as a PD file. -- Arian (talk) 20:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This image is not the user's own work and is a lower-quality jpg of this 2015 png on Odd Squad Wiki: https://oddsquad.fandom.com/wiki/File:Dept-symbols.png which is labeled as fair use and has been pulled from an "activity sheet PDF" (probably published by either TVO or PBS Kids, the channels that run the series from which these symbols originate). I do not know if this image might fall under PD-shape, but it most certainly hasn't been attributed properly and if it's not PD then it's a copyvio. Purplewowies (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Not educationally useful: Low-quality, low-effort (probably) AI generated images with no educational or any other value whatsoever. They serve absolutely no purpose.
Being passed off as an official mascot, but it is not official in any way. This is clear plagiarism of the LISP logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSMonster (talk • contribs) 14:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Overly broad request, I suggest closing - contains a number of images in use in multiple projects. Some other uploads of the user might be out of scope; I suggest listing either individually or in smaller related sets - deleting all images by user not supported. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Closed, apparent bad faith nomination in attempted retaliation at another user who listed nominator's images for deletion. (No decision made that would prevent relisting individual images for specific reasons.) -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 20:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for dedicating your time to reviewing my creation and sharing your concerns. I am genuinely honored that my work has resonated with people worldwide, prompting thoughtful study and commentary. This global engagement signifies a level of success that is both humbling and gratifying.
I sincerely hope that your current nomination stems from the best interests of the Wikimedia community. I would like to address concerns raised in your previous nomination for the deletion of my images, which, as highlighted by user Infrogmation of New Orleans, was perceived as a "bad faith nomination" aimed at another user. Their exact words were "apparent bad faith nomination in attempted retaliation at another user who listed nominator's images for deletion". It's crucial to clarify that the removal of your files resulted from a community decision: members voted unanimously in favour of the removal. In our community, it's essential to refrain from attacking or stalking users across platforms, and seeking revenge is unacceptable behavior.
I acknowledge the points you raised, and even though none of them are valid reason for removal, I want to address them to provide clarity regarding the community's perspective. In the different files that I have uploaded you have listed slightly different reasons, but I will address all of the reasons your have included in every file for clarity.
You wrote in some images "Obviously made up by the uploader". Not only this is not a reason for removal, but I have made it quite clear that I am the original creator of the images. Not only I created them, but I also released them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license. I cannot see your point here.
You wrote "There is no official JavaScript mascot". First of all, I cannot see your point and how this fact relates to our case. In any case, I never claimed or implied it is "the" JavaScript mascot, I made it clear that is "a" mascot for JavaScript, my proposal, that has gained a lot of traction lately.
The mascot itself is the culmination of a years-long endeveour of mine to propose a JavaScript mascot to be used by the community. I have carefully considered my aspects for its design. It is based on an (unofficial) mascot for the Lisp programming language, reflecting the fact that JavaScript was influenced by the Scheme programming language, which is a Lisp. The aforementioned Lisp mascot, was created by Conrad Barski, and as stated in its website "anyone may use these freely for any purpose and in any way" ( [[4]] ). I have persoonally contacted Conrad Barski (who also happens to be one of my heroes, as I have read his Lisp books and followed his work for quite some time) by email to share my creation with him, and he as happy about it (I have included a screenshot of our discussion that can be seen at [[5]] ).
The mascot has garnered popularity and positive mentions, evident in its inclusion in Seeklogo's database, social media posts, and references in Google Bard's answers. The mascot's website receives significant traffic monthly. I will further elaborate and give a few examples, but more can be found online:
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Thank you for dedicating your time to reviewing my creation and sharing your concerns. I am genuinely honored that my work has resonated with people worldwide, prompting thoughtful study and commentary. This global engagement signifies a level of success that is both humbling and gratifying.
I sincerely hope that your current nomination stems from the best interests of the Wikimedia community. I would like to address concerns raised in your previous nomination for the deletion of my images, which, as highlighted by user Infrogmation of New Orleans, was perceived as a "bad faith nomination" aimed at another user. Their exact words were "apparent bad faith nomination in attempted retaliation at another user who listed nominator's images for deletion". It's crucial to clarify that the removal of your files resulted from a community decision: members voted unanimously in favour of the removal. In our community, it's essential to refrain from attacking or stalking users across platforms, and seeking revenge is unacceptable behavior.
I acknowledge the points you raised, and even though none of them are valid reason for removal, I want to address them to provide clarity regarding the community's perspective. In the different files that I have uploaded you have listed slightly different reasons, but I will address all of the reasons your have included in every file for clarity.
You wrote in some images "Obviously made up by the uploader". Not only this is not a reason for removal, but I have made it quite clear that I am the original creator of the images. Not only I created them, but I also released them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license. I cannot see your point here.
You wrote "There is no official JavaScript mascot". First of all, I cannot see your point and how this fact relates to our case. In any case, I never claimed or implied it is "the" JavaScript mascot, I made it clear that is "a" mascot for JavaScript, my proposal, that has gained a lot of traction lately.
The mascot itself is the culmination of a years-long endeveour of mine to propose a JavaScript mascot to be used by the community. I have carefully considered my aspects for its design. It is based on an (unofficial) mascot for the Lisp programming language, reflecting the fact that JavaScript was influenced by the Scheme programming language, which is a Lisp. The aforementioned Lisp mascot, was created by Conrad Barski, and as stated in its website "anyone may use these freely for any purpose and in any way" ( [[9]] ). I have persoonally contacted Conrad Barski (who also happens to be one of my heroes, as I have read his Lisp books and followed his work for quite some time) by email to share my creation with him, and he as happy about it (I have included a screenshot of our discussion that can be seen at [[10]] ).
The mascot has garnered popularity and positive mentions, evident in its inclusion in Seeklogo's database, social media posts, and references in Google Bard's answers. The mascot's website receives significant traffic monthly. I will further elaborate and give a few examples, but more can be found online:
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- There is no official JavaScript mascot.
- This is a low effort image.
- Apparently personal fiction artwork, not official nor widely used mascot for JavaScript.
- Personal fiction artwork. Completely unknown and unheard of by everyone except its creator.
- Just a file created by the uploader, not used by others, no educational or informative value — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSMonster (talk • contribs) 14:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for dedicating your time to reviewing my creation and sharing your concerns. I am genuinely honored that my work has resonated with people worldwide, prompting thoughtful study and commentary. This global engagement signifies a level of success that is both humbling and gratifying.
I sincerely hope that your current nomination stems from the best interests of the Wikimedia community. I would like to address concerns raised in your previous nomination for the deletion of my images, which, as highlighted by user Infrogmation of New Orleans, was perceived as a "bad faith nomination" aimed at another user. Their exact words were "apparent bad faith nomination in attempted retaliation at another user who listed nominator's images for deletion". It's crucial to clarify that the removal of your files resulted from a community decision: members voted unanimously in favour of the removal. In our community, it's essential to refrain from attacking or stalking users across platforms, and seeking revenge is unacceptable behavior.
I acknowledge the points you raised, and even though none of them are valid reason for removal, I want to address them to provide clarity regarding the community's perspective. In the different files that I have uploaded you have listed slightly different reasons, but I will address all of the reasons your have included in every file for clarity.
You wrote in some images "Obviously made up by the uploader". Not only this is not a reason for removal, but I have made it quite clear that I am the original creator of the images. Not only I created them, but I also released them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license. I cannot see your point here.
You wrote "There is no official JavaScript mascot". First of all, I cannot see your point and how this fact relates to our case. In any case, I never claimed or implied it is "the" JavaScript mascot, I made it clear that is "a" mascot for JavaScript, my proposal, that has gained a lot of traction lately.
The mascot itself is the culmination of a years-long endeveour of mine to propose a JavaScript mascot to be used by the community. I have carefully considered my aspects for its design. It is based on an (unofficial) mascot for the Lisp programming language, reflecting the fact that JavaScript was influenced by the Scheme programming language, which is a Lisp. The aforementioned Lisp mascot, was created by Conrad Barski, and as stated in its website "anyone may use these freely for any purpose and in any way" ( [[14]] ). I have persoonally contacted Conrad Barski (who also happens to be one of my heroes, as I have read his Lisp books and followed his work for quite some time) by email to share my creation with him, and he as happy about it (I have included a screenshot of our discussion that can be seen at [[15]] ).
The mascot has garnered popularity and positive mentions, evident in its inclusion in Seeklogo's database, social media posts, and references in Google Bard's answers. The mascot's website receives significant traffic monthly. I will further elaborate and give a few examples, but more can be found online:
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- There is no official JavaScript mascot.
- This is a low effort image.
- Apparently personal fiction artwork, not official nor widely used mascot for JavaScript.
- Personal fiction artwork. Completely unknown and unheard of by everyone except its creator.
- Just a file created by the uploader, not used by others, no educational or informative value — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSMonster (talk • contribs) 14:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for dedicating your time to reviewing my creation and sharing your concerns. I am genuinely honored that my work has resonated with people worldwide, prompting thoughtful study and commentary. This global engagement signifies a level of success that is both humbling and gratifying.
I sincerely hope that your current nomination stems from the best interests of the Wikimedia community. I would like to address concerns raised in your previous nomination for the deletion of my images, which, as highlighted by user Infrogmation of New Orleans, was perceived as a "bad faith nomination" aimed at another user. Their exact words were "apparent bad faith nomination in attempted retaliation at another user who listed nominator's images for deletion". It's crucial to clarify that the removal of your files resulted from a community decision: members voted unanimously in favour of the removal. In our community, it's essential to refrain from attacking or stalking users across platforms, and seeking revenge is unacceptable behavior.
I acknowledge the points you raised, and even though none of them are valid reason for removal, I want to address them to provide clarity regarding the community's perspective. In the different files that I have uploaded you have listed slightly different reasons, but I will address all of the reasons your have included in every file for clarity.
You wrote in some images "Obviously made up by the uploader". Not only this is not a reason for removal, but I have made it quite clear that I am the original creator of the images. Not only I created them, but I also released them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license. I cannot see your point here.
You wrote "There is no official JavaScript mascot". First of all, I cannot see your point and how this fact relates to our case. In any case, I never claimed or implied it is "the" JavaScript mascot, I made it clear that is "a" mascot for JavaScript, my proposal, that has gained a lot of traction lately.
The mascot itself is the culmination of a years-long endeveour of mine to propose a JavaScript mascot to be used by the community. I have carefully considered my aspects for its design. It is based on an (unofficial) mascot for the Lisp programming language, reflecting the fact that JavaScript was influenced by the Scheme programming language, which is a Lisp. The aforementioned Lisp mascot, was created by Conrad Barski, and as stated in its website "anyone may use these freely for any purpose and in any way" ( [[19]] ). I have persoonally contacted Conrad Barski (who also happens to be one of my heroes, as I have read his Lisp books and followed his work for quite some time) by email to share my creation with him, and he as happy about it (I have included a screenshot of our discussion that can be seen at [[20]] ).
The mascot has garnered popularity and positive mentions, evident in its inclusion in Seeklogo's database, social media posts, and references in Google Bard's answers. The mascot's website receives significant traffic monthly. I will further elaborate and give a few examples, but more can be found online:
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4 images that are copies of pages from the US Military history website, that is public domain and doesn't need to be pictured Sadads (talk) 23:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Did you mean to include some other images in this nomination? Regardless - this is a photograph of a computer screen and is barely even readable. Omphalographer (talk) 23:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As I wrote at Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Gbtemp#Files in Category:Gbtemp (Mauro) (which was kept, expand the "Extended content"), "These appear to be (successively better) photos of a memorial web page for Alexander L. Mauro of the US Army, a Purple Heart recipient, as honored by his daughters Ms. Bettina Maloney and Ms. Loretta Adams. The logo on the right is PD-US-Military-Army. Mauro could be the subject of a biography on Wikipedia." @Sadads: Which pages from the US Military history website are these copies of, exactly? Pinging Gbawden and Fitindia as interested in these files. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 06:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. This is a Volvo engine. I imagine that someone into cars could identify it further and it would probably have educational value with a more specific identification. IronGargoyle (talk) 05:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Each of these files is redundant because Commons has a higher-quality version of each picture. The files nominated for deletion are screenshots of the Geograph Web site, and while they have more pixels that the corresponding images available for download from Geograph, they have less detail. This is probably because they're derived from the 1024-pixel versions of the photos displayed on the main Geograph photo pages, and the downloadable versions are more than 1024 pixels across.
To demonstrate the lower quality of the screenshots, I have prepared File:Medium Geograph screenshot comparison.tiff, which has one page for each file, showing a crop from the screenshot on the right and a corresponding enlarged crop from the downloadable version in the centre. In each case the screenshot is visibly fuzzier than the downloaded version. The uploader has claimed that their screenshotting technique gives access to a higher-resolution version of each image than can be downloaded from Geograph, but I think these samples demonstrate that, at least for these 17 images, that is not correct.
The table below lists the version downloaded from Geograph, the corresponding screenshot, and the sizes of each, along with a link to the corresponding page of File:Medium Geograph screenshot comparison.tiff.
The screenshots don't precisely match the boundaries of the Geograph images: sometimes they remove a small strip from an edge, and sometimes they add a small strip of the page background. None of these changes seems to me to improve the corresponding picture, so I think they're probably unintentional. I have checked that there are no visible edits to any of the screenshots other than the cropping and scaling. Also none of the files nominated for deletion has a {{Retouched picture}} tag that would indicate such an edit.
At first glance it looks like the chancel ceiling may have been darkened in File:Wellesbourne St Peter eastward GeoUK 4793913.jpg, but I think that's just an artifact of the scaling having lost the very narrow bright lines in the Geograph version.
Because the screenshots are redundant, they should be replaced by redirects to the Geograph versions. I can do that if the deleting admin doesn't. --bjh21 (talk) 18:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This file was initially tagged by Wdwd as no license (No license since). This has a license but it appears to be dubious. This appears to be an El Savador photograph from the 1950s. It could be public domain if the photographer died before 1953 but that has to be proven. Abzeronow (talk) 18:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This file was initially tagged by WikiLucas00 as Speedy (SD) and the most recent rationale was: request from the author (WikiLucas00) In use, uploader is 2019, no valid reason for deletion. Yann (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Yann: , this file was recorded among a batch of many recordings, and I should not have recorded it since I never use this phrase in my dialect. It is displayed on the Wiktionary entry of this phrase, and it's misleading for viewers because they hear a pronunciation by a person who does not speak this dialect. — WikiLucas(🖋️)00:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Nejde o licenci, ale foto obsahuje nesprávné jméno vyfotografovaného a není pořád dosažen souhlas se zveřejněním majitele té fotografie. Až jej získám, pak se rozhodnu zda jej znovu nahraji. Pokud je toto nedostačující zdůvodnění, potom by bylo vhodné, kdyby znalí wikipedista upravil jméno do správné podoby, tedy Alois Vraný. Děkuji Martin wolf (talk) 09:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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None of the nominated images show the bust or the monument incidentally. Commercial freedom of panorama is not granted in Ukraine. These images showing the 1979 monument infringe on the posthumous copyright of the deceased author, sculptor Володимир Смаровоз (died 2008). Wiki Loves Monuments is not a driver's license to expose public monuments of countries that do not recognize commercial epxloitations of artworks still under artists' copyrights.
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I recently asked Mr. Skidmore for the unadulterated copy of this Johnson photo, and he replied that he did not take it; it's misattributed. Now, it's my guess that the the KY capitol pictured is a Skidmore photo (specifically, it appears to be this photo), and KOLO just used it as a background for Johnson's official legislative photo—hence the double credit of "ky.gov · Gage Skidmore"—making this image and its crop derivative works of KY-government copyrights. Fourthords | =Λ= |21:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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- There is no official JavaScript mascot.
- This is a low effort image.
- Apparently personal fiction artwork, not official nor widely used mascot for JavaScript.
- Personal fiction artwork. Completely unknown and unheard of by everyone except its creator.
- Just a file created by the uploader, not used by others, no educational or informative value — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSMonster (talk • contribs) 14:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for dedicating your time to reviewing my creation and sharing your concerns. I am genuinely honored that my work has resonated with people worldwide, prompting thoughtful study and commentary. This global engagement signifies a level of success that is both humbling and gratifying.
I sincerely hope that your current nomination stems from the best interests of the Wikimedia community. I would like to address concerns raised in your previous nomination for the deletion of my images, which, as highlighted by user Infrogmation of New Orleans, was perceived as a "bad faith nomination" aimed at another user. Their exact words were "apparent bad faith nomination in attempted retaliation at another user who listed nominator's images for deletion". It's crucial to clarify that the removal of your files resulted from a community decision: members voted unanimously in favour of the removal. In our community, it's essential to refrain from attacking or stalking users across platforms, and seeking revenge is unacceptable behavior.
I acknowledge the points you raised, and even though none of them are valid reason for removal, I want to address them to provide clarity regarding the community's perspective. In the different files that I have uploaded you have listed slightly different reasons, but I will address all of the reasons your have included in every file for clarity.
You wrote in some images "Obviously made up by the uploader". Not only this is not a reason for removal, but I have made it quite clear that I am the original creator of the images. Not only I created them, but I also released them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license. I cannot see your point here.
You wrote "There is no official JavaScript mascot". First of all, I cannot see your point and how this fact relates to our case. In any case, I never claimed or implied it is "the" JavaScript mascot, I made it clear that is "a" mascot for JavaScript, my proposal, that has gained a lot of traction lately.
The mascot itself is the culmination of a years-long endeveour of mine to propose a JavaScript mascot to be used by the community. I have carefully considered my aspects for its design. It is based on an (unofficial) mascot for the Lisp programming language, reflecting the fact that JavaScript was influenced by the Scheme programming language, which is a Lisp. The aforementioned Lisp mascot, was created by Conrad Barski, and as stated in its website "anyone may use these freely for any purpose and in any way" ( [[41]] ). I have persoonally contacted Conrad Barski (who also happens to be one of my heroes, as I have read his Lisp books and followed his work for quite some time) by email to share my creation with him, and he as happy about it (I have included a screenshot of our discussion that can be seen at [[42]] ).
The mascot has garnered popularity and positive mentions, evident in its inclusion in Seeklogo's database, social media posts, and references in Google Bard's answers. The mascot's website receives significant traffic monthly. I will further elaborate and give a few examples, but more can be found online:
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At least, I think that the mascot or the file doesn't have to be labeled them "the mascot of JavaScript." Because the mascot isn't official. --린눈라단 (talk) 03:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Looks like the Bibliothèque historique de la Ville de Paris has amended the license on this image. Can undelete in 2049. —Tcr25 (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - "Secreteriat d'etat a la guerre" translation to English is "Secretary of State for War" and "Affiche intérieure" is "Interior poster"- Was this poster was produced by the French Government? Would that effect PD status? -- Ooligan (talk) 20:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: As discussed here and here, COM:SIG UK misstates the relevant law and the cited sources, and the user who wrote it no longer stands by it. A1Cafel appears to have nominated a handful of signatures for deletion on this incorrect basis. He has been pinged several times about this issue. In light of the above, it would seem appropriate for him to weigh in as to whether he believes the nominations are still appropriate. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: As discussed here and here, COM:SIG UK misstates the relevant law and the cited sources, and the user who wrote it no longer stands by it. A1Cafel appears to have nominated a handful of signatures for deletion on this incorrect basis. He has been pinged several times about this issue. In light of the above, it would seem appropriate for him to weigh in as to whether he believes the nominations are still appropriate. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: As discussed here and here, COM:SIG UK misstates the relevant law and the cited sources, and the user who wrote it no longer stands by it. A1Cafel appears to have nominated a handful of signatures for deletion on this incorrect basis. He has been pinged several times about this issue. In light of the above, it would seem appropriate for him to weigh in as to whether he believes the nominations are still appropriate. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: As discussed here and here, COM:SIG UK misstates the relevant law and the cited sources, and the user who wrote it no longer stands by it. A1Cafel appears to have nominated a handful of signatures for deletion on this incorrect basis. He has been pinged several times about this issue. In light of the above, it would seem appropriate for him to weigh in as to whether he believes the nominations are still appropriate. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sean Connery was well known for not living in the UK despite having been born there. He resided in the Bahamas since the 1990s and this signature is from 2000. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: As discussed here and here, COM:SIG UK misstates the relevant law and the cited sources, and the user who wrote it no longer stands by it. A1Cafel appears to have nominated a handful of signatures for deletion on this incorrect basis. He has been pinged several times about this issue. In light of the above, it would seem appropriate for him to weigh in as to whether he believes the nominations are still appropriate. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sean Connery was well known for not living in the UK despite having been born there. He resided in the Bahamas since the 1990s and this signature is from 2000. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@A1Cafel, you need to write that you uploaded a cropped version of the photo to avoid deletion. Do not assume that others will know what did- just clearly write what you did. -- Ooligan (talk) 05:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The diorama was either created by NASA or the Arizona Historical Society. In the former case, it's a public domain US government work. In the latter case, the owner of the sculptural work is the same as the owner of the photograph. Given that the photograph was released under a free license by the presumed copyright holder of the object, there is no issue with the derivative work infringing on the sculptural copyright. Finally, the object is likely in the public domain anyway due to age (probably pre-1978, given the Apollo 11 context), public display, and lack of copyright notice. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:56, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Kept: per IronGargoyle. If it's not public domain as a US government work, then it's a work by the Arizona Historical Society who have freely licensed the photograph. --Abzeronow (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oh, well I should have just done that and will do that in the future, yes. But since I made a second copy with the shorter name already (hence the "second file" that I linked above there), I suppose I went the messy way about things. My apologies. No, I just simply want this file deleted because I already have a second crop, as aforementioned, with a shorter file name. Thus, no need to rename this one–it's now a duplicate-by-proxy.
Also, I requested a name change of the original with the trio of actors. Because that file I meant to name (LtoR) not (LR). I didn't wanna be complicated with another name change.
Here is the second crop: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chakiris_Diamond_Head_promo_squared_crop.jpg What is the best way, just go ahead and delete the one I requested? Or to delete the one I just linked now (the shorter crop filename), and then rename the first crop as the shorter name?.....I contemplated that might happen, because it came first, even if it required more tasks.
@Ikan Kekek Hey, do you have any idea what occurred here? Not sure if this was you or someone else, but everything was done incorrectly, and I was hoping you might be able to help me fix it.
THIS IMAGE is the one that I want to be renamed (notice L to R // ~to~ in the middle): (LtoR) George Chakiris, Yvette Mimieux, & James Darren - "Diamond Head" (1962) promotional photo.jpg
Unwanted Name: :File: (LR) George Chakiris, Yvette Mimieux, & James Darren - "Diamond Head" (1962) promotional photo (cropped).jpg
Requested Name: :File: (LtoR) George Chakiris, Yvette Mimieux, & James Darren - "Diamond Head" (1962) promotional photo (cropped).jpg
Duplicate of #3. This can be deleted. It is exactly the same, except a long file name. Instead of requesting a name change for the crop as well, I made a second crop and nominated this picture for deletion. I will not do this again. Alas, for just this once, I just wanted to make sure one duplicate goes away, so the one I use won't disappear in an article.
Incorrect Name: :File: (LtoR) George Chakiris, Yvette Mimieux, & James Darren - "Diamond Head" (1962) promotional photo (cropped).jpg
(Incorrect only because it belongs on #1, NOT #3.)
Do you see?
I made 2 crops, because I forgot to shorten the file name the first time. Then tagged for deletion.
I requested a name change to the big picture with all 3 actors, because I wanted it to say "(LtoR)" inside of the parentheses.
They renamed the second squared-crop of George Chakiris's face, which I had made to have a simple short file name.
So instead of renaming the main file of the three actors, they renamed of all photos, the short file name crop photo. Which basically means all THREE photos are now screwed up.
Hi, Cinemaniac86. I didn't do the renaming. It looks like the name of the main file was fixed. The crops aren't identical, because File:(LR) George Chakiris, Yvette Mimieux, & James Darren - "Diamond Head" (1962) promotional photo (cropped).jpg has a bit of a pink cast. That's probably a mistake, so it probably should be deleted. Once it's deleted, it will be simple to rename the remaining cropped file anything you like, and since I have renaming privileges, feel free to text me at that time. Keep in mind, though, that it might be most useful for its name to reflect the fact that only Chakiris is shown. The fact that it's cropped from a larger photo that shows 2 other actors is made clear by the text "This file has been extracted from another file" and a little clickable thumbnail of that file. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Ikan Kekek, sorry for the misdirected inquiry. I certainly wasn't accusing, so I hope it didn't seem that way, but I apologize just because I was frazzled. I'm more at home on Wikipedia, getting more accustomed to things, but here I'm still a rookie.
And the person who did help had good intentions, but...and this is the kicker...renamed the good crop...with the requested change name of the ORIGINAL file (LtoR) and all 3 names! So yesterday was a series of hot messes; however, they're all sorted out now, I think?
So, pink cast you say? What is that? I do appreciate your help. If it's not too much trouble, if I do have a minor renaming request, hope you won't mind on me just dropping you a message. Patience isn't my #1 virtue, but it's one I'm working on these days.
Lastly, one more question. This one might be overthinking. So the original with all 3 (Photo #1), I then cropped to the pink cast with the long file crop name (Photo #2). Then the good crop--I just highlighted the entire frame of #2, and saved it with a new, shorter file name (Photo #3). So if #2, our pink-cast photo, gets deleted, being the middleman between #1 and #3, and thus breaking the chain, does that delink them as extracted files from one another and/or affect Photo #3 in any sort of way? I know it won't affect #1, but I was curious what impact might befall #3 as a result. (My theory just being that it will no longer be tagged as an extracted file of anything. Unless all extracted files OF extracted files remain tagged back to the original, idk.....Root File, per se?) I feel like I just typed up a math proof theorem thingy. Cinemaniac86 (talk) 08:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
First, I'm not the least bit offended and have nothing to be offended about. I'm having a bit of trouble following all these details, but it's not a problem for a filemover like me to move a file to the name of a deleted file. In terms of what a pink cast is, it means in this case that the photo is not strictly black & white but has some pink overtones to its COM:Photography terms#White balance. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:09, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm hella confused as to what needs to be done here. It looks like some of these files have already been converted to redirects. @Cinemaniac86: Please make a list of items to be deleted. Thanks. —holly {chat}23:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep This is not valid reason for deletion. Yann (talk) 16:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Comment There are many registrations and renewals for Blowin' in the Wind, but probably the relevant one for the lyrics is the renewal RE0000489980 from 1990, as it is for the song as it appeared in the pamphlet "Folk songs for everyone" compiled by Herbert Haufrecht and published in 1962. Probably people with more expertise in diving in renewals can find the right renewal. Günther Frager (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Delete Agree with nom. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 10:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Speedy keep COM:INUSE, frivolous deletion request without a deletion reason. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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Speedy delete obvious copyright violation. Please tag files like this for speedy deletion with {{Copyvio}}. The uploader has uploaded several probable copyright violations. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Question What is the copyright status of official French army photos? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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