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A handful of File: namespace timed text translations still exist

Does anyone here have experience with migrating timed text to its new namespace and can do so for the pages listed below? I have noticed that just a handful of these pages keep showing up on some maintenance pages I frequent (Special:UncategorizedPages and Special:UncategorizedFiles).

The pages are:

• File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt (en, es, eu, fi, fr, id, ja, pl, sco, sv, uk, zh)
• File:Wikipedia on GLAM-Tour Kulturkooperationen für lokale Wikipedia-Gruppen.webm/srt (ar, arz, da, de, en, en-gb, fr, ru, uk)

Clay (talk) 16:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It’s not about how new the namespace is (notice that TimedText:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm.en.srt was created three days before File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt), it’s about how easy translating the subtitle is. Ideally, TimedText was integrated with Extension:Translate to allow translating the closed captions in the right namespace (which wasn’t unprecedented, e.g. CentralNotice is integrated to allow translating central notices), but we’re (AFAIK) not there yet. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your reply. Does that mean these pages are now fine to delete? Or does someone need to look through them and migrate them from the File namespace to the TimedText namespace manually? I see on e.g. File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt/de and other similar now-deleted pages that most of these were deleted at the end of last year. Clay (talk) 18:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Ideally, phab:T44495 would be resolved before deleting anything. However, given that there was zero progress in the past almost seven years, it seems unlikely to be resolved in the near future. In that case, I’m not sure what the best solution is. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

As one can see on File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt/de, it was deleted after having been transferred to TimedText:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm.de.srt. Translations like File:.../srt/.. have been a good idea but they are completely useless for the videos they are connected with. --Achim55 (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice this topic earlier. Months ago I created User:Achim55/TimedText pages to be checked and since then I'm working on that step by step. --Achim55 (talk) 18:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

At Category:Timed Text in file namespace, I made a maintenance category for those, to avoid they keep appearing on Special:UncategorizedPages (VP/T).

Please mark the two for translation so the category gets added to all language versions. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

This wouldn't actually require the category to be translated, but just add it there. It has been done for "File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt" in the meantime. For "File:Wikipedia on GLAM-Tour Kulturkooperationen für lokale Wikipedia-Gruppen.webm/srt", if one doesn't want the deletion request to appear on all versions, one could remove that first and readd it afterwards. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Enhancing999 I marked File:Wikipedia on GLAM-Tour Kulturkooperationen für lokale Wikipedia-Gruppen.webm/srt for translation at your request. However, I have discouraged it from being translated. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 18:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Sisterprojects

I began the process of switching ~150 Category:Sisterproject templates to modern translation format. I created Template:Sisterprojects/i18n and a calling template {{Sisterprojects}}, now I am working on moving translations from old format to the new. Templates waiting to be moved can be found in Category:Sisterproject templates and the one I already did in Category:Sisterproject templates (unified). I can use some help, with the transition process as it takes longer than expected. Jarekt (talk) 12:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Also can someone look into "bh" language? it is mostly translated but does not have Template:Sisterprojects/i18n/bh subtemplate. --Jarekt (talk) 12:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jarekt: Great job. I am done with 85% translation of the Urdu version. ─ Aafī (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Patrolling translations

How are edits like Special:Diff/901608551 reverted? --Geohakkeri (talk) 13:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@Geohakkeri: In some cases, it does allow you to revert these translations with the rollback tool. In others, you just need to review the history and manually restore the translation. Even so, the edits were reverted and restored.--Mazbel (Talk) 05:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

In that specific case the problem was that it was the first translation for that segment. So there was no version to revert the Translations: page to as I did in Special:Diff/901611873. Achim55 deleted the translation – was that indeed the only option? If so, how is a translation like that marked as a CSD? Simply by applying the {{SD}} template? It feels a bit silly, somehow. --Geohakkeri (talk) 15:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

A recommendation!

Can we make a recommendation somewhere that folks who ask for TA rights provide a sample first per internationalisation guidelines before they are granted the flag? This is so because on Commons, if anyone asks for the flag at BN, a 'crat would unlikely get into a lot of stuff related to i18n - I just realised this should be mentioned somewhere that although the flag is granted by a 'crat, it is recommended to produce a translation markup sample? Opinions or do you think I'm being too bureaucratic? _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 09:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Issue with Commons:Flickr2Commons

So this project page was once translatable, but the user John Cummings made some big changes, and it became no longer translatable. So we now have a bunch of subpages (Commons:Flickr2Commons/de, Commons:Flickr2Commons/zh) which are no longer connected to any translation units, and a bunch of translation units (Translations:Commons:Flickr2Commons/1/de) which aren't connected to anything. Though someone has updated Commons:Flickr2Commons/es manually. I have created User:Matrix/sandbox3 which has translate tags.

So is the following ok?

1. Delete all the old translation units
2. Delete all the language subpages except es
3. Replace Commons:Flickr2Commons with User:Matrix/sandbox3 and mark for translation
4. Use Special:PageMigration to migrate Commons:Flickr2Commons/es manually.

—Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 06:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Matrix. The page was removed from Translation by @Jdx on 25 May 2017. Current revision can be prepared and marked for translation, and we can easily restore any previously existing translation units if they are up-to-date. #4 is tricky because the subpage is not a part of translation system. It would need to be manually copied over unit by unit. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 16:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

but since translation exists, we won't be losing anything in the process. Any excessive and unrequired stuff at the end can be deleted. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 16:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I won't suggestion deleting old translation units, neither deletion of sub-pages. Keep them as they are. Mark the current revision for translation. Keep the history of subpages intact. Easily bring up translations from there. Delete anything that seems irrelevant. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 17:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Matrix and Aafi: It would be a bad idea to delete old pages that have already been translated. In fact, if you mark the main page for translation (Commons:Flickr2Commons), including the languages: de, zh, es as translation priority, they should be excluded and you may get a "translation out of date" message. Regarding this page (Translations:Commons:Flickr2Commons/1/de), it would be better to delete it, as it would be orphaned.--Mazbel (Talk) 02:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I've marked Commons:Flickr2Commons for translation and migrated the es subpage, is there anything else to do? —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 06:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Translations to be moved

User:Umarxon III has translated a lot to Uzbek language. That's really fine, but they got the wrong variant. Instead of "uz" (or even "uz-latn") they took "uz-cyrl". I don't know how to fix that correctly. Can anyone help? Affected are Commons:User access levels/uz-cyrl and Commons:Upload Wizard/uz-cyrl. Thanks! --Achim55 (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@Achim55 The individual Translations: namespace pages have to be moved. I'll take care of it, once they stop adding new ones. Just left them a talk page message. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 21:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I have moved the translations from uz-latn to uz-cyrl. A few notes:

• Moving translation units doesn't create the relevant translation page, you'll have to edit a translation unit in Special:Translate for that to happen
• Even if the translation page is already created, moving units to it won't affect the edit history of the translation page. While the units maintain their history, there is no obvious link from the translation page to the translation units so attribution may need to be added in an edit summary.
• The Translate extension prevents most methods of dummy edits. You could add a comment somewhere or add an extra space between sentences, but I just decided to add !!FUZZY!! and then remove it.
• The interaction between translatable pages and LanguageConverter is still messy. It looks like some languages have translation into LanguageConverter-supported variants disabled, but Uzbek doesn't. That probably means I should have moved these to uz, and we should get uz-* disabled. I can work on that unless there are objections for some reason I'm overlooking.

AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 04:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

The nonexistance of a <notranslate> tag

I apologize if this is the wrong place but I was recently working on Template:Move/i18n and put |user = {{subst:REVISIONUSER}} but due to the translation restrictions it wouldn’t append I think a no translate tag would work for this as this is a code bit and could be marked as a minor like not done tag for articles so users can easily apend text to different languages Cyberwolf (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cyberwolf: Could you produce your case for me in a sandbox? We don't have any notranslate tag but I'd be glad to help. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 17:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I produced it on that template
I18n is the base and the edit doesn’t work cause it needs translated (not really) and that’s locked to admin cause it was deemed complete + I don’t know how to replicate that scenario Cyberwolf (talk) 17:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Which diff? ─ Aafī on Mobile ^(talk) 18:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Translate-tagger

Hello dear fellow TA's, Together with my friend @Gopavasanth, I am co-mentoring development of a tool that we currently call "Translate-Tagger", to support translation markup. I am personally hoping the tool to provide automated <translate> markup, including tvar support and alongside issuing markup for categories used within a page. We have a dedicated Phabricator ticket for this, and I welcome your input. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 15:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

How to create /i18n/en subpage?

{{Autotranslate}} template often used with translated pages requires /en subpage to operate. All templates using translate extension have those pages: see for example Template:PD-Hungary/i18n and Template:PD-Hungary/i18n/en. I recently created Template:PD-AR-Photo/i18n but forgot how to create Template:PD-AR-Photo/i18n/en. Jarekt (talk) 15:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Fixed, not sure whether it was the using noincludes instead of onlyinclude, or if it was language-aware transclusion being enabled (IIRC it should be disabled for these templates, as they aren't transcluded on translated pages?). —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Aren't the /en sub-pages automatically created by Fuzzy once a page/template is marked for translation. @Mdaniels5757, language-aware transclusion should always be checked according to my knowledge. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 17:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jarekt: For example, unlike /es translation, /en supage was automatically created by Fuzzy. In cases where the bot isn't triggered, you should perhaps do a dummy edit and mark the page for translation again. It should work. Use of inlcudes/noinclude doesn't impact it. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 17:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Mdaniels5757 and Aafi: thank you for your help. --Jarekt (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)