Commons:Featured sound candidates/Log/June 2019
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File:Full performance of the Micronesian national anthem by the U.S. Navy Band.flac, not featured
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- Info created by United States Navy Band - uploaded to commons by Illegitimate Barrister - nominated by Eatcha -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 15:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 15:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Great quality, and it was interesting to listen to such an esoteric national anthem. Cmao20 (talk) 22:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Nice performance. Vulphere 13:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Yes indeed, the U.S. Navy Band is a great ensemble, though of course this music is a cinch for them. I think national anthems are obviously valuable to document, so any national anthem we can get an excellent recording of should probably be featured. And I would also include defunct national anthems like "God Save the Tsar" among obviously important documents. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Maybe it's just me, but I fioind it hard to accept an instrumental version (even a good one like this) of a song with lyrics that are usually performed with it. Especially when it has a shared melody with at least one other song ("Ich hab' mich ergeben) Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:04, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - I agree that a version with singing would be even more valuable, but I think that band and orchestra versions of national anthems are completely legitimate and commonly used. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: I know I'm in the minority on this point. But this seems more Valued Sounds than featured. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- I certainly respect your opinion. I think that at some point, when we have a lot more really high-quality material, much of what we elevate to Featured status may be downgraded to Valued. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 4 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /BoothSift 06:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Olena Havyk-Sheremet via the Lviv Conservatory - uploaded to commons by User:Юрій_Булка - nominated by me ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 06:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment High-quality lossless FLAC file with a bitrate of 1.11Mbps. This is exemplary audio. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 06:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 06:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - per its good quality -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 07:35, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Fantastic rendition! But for us to feature the file, doesn't it need specific information, such as specifically who performed it and a biography of said performer? I tried doing a web search on her name - which shouldn't be necessary if this were featurable - and I turned up no real information. I would also want some kind of program note about the movement, but I think that's unnecessary because there is a Wikipedia article about the work. However, the categorization seems insufficient to me. Is there no category of "Miroirs (Music by Ravel)" or something similar? If there isn't, shouldn't it be created? For all of these reasons, I would like to oppose. Please explain to me why I'm wrong. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:50, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: You are right — solid point that I totally missed out. I will attempt to fix the issue later; am currently busy and am on mobile. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 08:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Found this Lviv Conservatory .pdf with her Cyrillic name on it, by looking up her Cyrillic name. Unfortunately, Ikan, I can't seem to translate the article with Google Translate. It automatically downloads the document to my phone, and I can't seem to copy the text. Do you know of any Ukrainian-speaking Wikimedians who may be able to be of assistance to us? ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 08:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- The guidelines state that the names of the performers are necessary only if known, though. Now that we have that, perhaps further details are unnecessary? I'm not sure. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 08:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- In a case in which the performer doesn't have a Wikipedia article, I think we should require some biographical information. In this case, we don't even know whether she's faculty or a fantastic student performer. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: Point noted and agreed. The most substantial piece of information about the performer that I could find was the document I linked above; it may provide information. I'll try to find someone to translate it in the meantime. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 08:46, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: I managed to come in contact with a colleague of the performer on Facebook — the performer of Category:Sonatine (Ravel) who was also part of the collaboration of the Lviv Conservatory with Wikimedia Ukraine. She gave me a short biography of herself, and proceeded to provide me with the contact information of the performer of this piece, i.e., Olena Havyuk-Sheremet. I have contacted her and am awaiting her response. I believe it is not necessary for me to include a citation for a short and concise biography of her, do I? I have also managed to ascertain that the performances were considered student performances as part of their education at the Lviv Conservatory. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 04:06, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- That's great! "Personal communication" is a citation. Support in expectation of that information being added. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek:
That would be good news. I am still awaiting the response of Olena (my message seems to be unable to be delivered), but I have acquired permission from the other pianist, Irene, to use the information she wrote.― Gerifalte Del Sabana 14:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC) - Update: I have received a response from her, and will update the information accordingly first thing in the morning when I get on my PC. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 15:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek:
- I can only confirm that Olena Havyuk-Sheremet was a student when we made the recording, and it was a student concert. The linked article is by Olena, but not about Olena - it's about Mariya Krushelnytska, a famous Lviv pianist (pinging GerifalteDelSabana) --Yuriy Bulka (talk) 09:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Юрій Булка: Thank you, that is excellent auxiliaty information. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 14:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Fantastic! Does she still play? This is a really great rendition! -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: She apparently still does; her latest recital was on the 29th of April! I've also added the performer's biography to the file description page. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 00:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Awesome! I love the biography. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Neutral. Too complex music for me. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- @AKA MBG: You should not vote purely based on your opinion of a historical composition. This is a discussion and a nomination based on the technical audio quality and the skill level of the interpretation, not a discussion about the structure and taste of Ravel's piece. It is a composition from the early twentieth-century, and it has been flawlessly performed as it was meant to. If you would like to criticize the composition of the music, I suggest you to invent your own time machine to transport you back to 1904 in order to intervene and stop him from notating it. Cheers! :-) ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 14:46, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- But thank you, nevertheless, for not immediately jumping in with an oppose vote. :) -Gerifalte 16:26, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for this fun comment :) But I think that during selection and discussion of featured sound candidates the principle "WOW" (which is often encountered in discussions of featured pictures) also works for audio composition. So the personal attitude and subjectivity may influence to the overall result. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 17:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with you that for this historical music the quality is more important. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 17:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Point taken. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 04:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Recently read an Edwardian work that mentioned this piece. It's a great piece of music. Abzeronow (talk) 15:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support This is the first thing I've heard on Featured Sounds that really takes my fancy as being outstanding work. I'll add my voice to those who are advocating that only high-quality lossless audio, or at least audio with a high bitrate, should really be promoted here unless there are strong mitigating reasons. Given the number of audio files there are on Commons I think we can afford to be a bit discriminating as to what we promote. Cmao20 (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Ravel has the charm. Vulphere 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support This is a WOW all right. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 06:24, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support This piece from Ravel has charm, indeed! One might differ with the performer on nuances of interpretation, such as pedalling etc; however, both their skill level and that of the recording engineer are superb. Yahya Abdal-Aziz (talk) 06:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 8 support, 0 oppose, 1 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 14:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:0music 02 Melomics.flac, not featured
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 24 May 2019 at 20:43:14
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Melomics109 (computer system) - uploaded to commons by El perquisitore - nominated by Eatcha -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 20:43, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 20:43, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Interesting, and I read w:Melomics. Fascinating. I'm very surprised that a computer can compose such coherent music by itself, though it does trail off illogically (to my taste) at the end. However, the source link, http://geb.uma.es/melomics, produces a "Server Not Found" error for me. I also think that the Wikipedia article should be linked in the file description. Also, is this really accurate? "This media depicts a musical concept or technique, which is considered too simple to be eligible for copyright protection, or which consists only of technique, with no original creative input." Isn't it more that because the music was composed by a computer without human intervention other than the program which the computer itself used, that no human being can copyright the resulting music? Or is it just that the company chose not to try to copyright everything and litigate that claim? A quite inexact comparison is the monkey selfie, which since it was taken by a monkey and monkeys are deemed not to have copyright rights, the photo was ruled to be in the public domain.
- I also have another thought: Is this a typical Melomics work, or does such a thing as a typical Melomics work really exist? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:34, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek, I added a way-back machine link in the source and linked to the en-wiki articles. I don't think it is in public domain just because it was created using a software, softwares are not living things to own the copyright + the software is itself created by the that University, so anything produced by that software is actually work of the University itself IMO, maybe in future when AGI will be a reality these computer can copyright the work. I don't want this to happen, why would anyone be happy to see his/her laptop asking for credits he/she created using it -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 18:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- And why is File:Macaca nigra self-portrait large.jpg not a featured picture? I will nominate this now -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 19:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Back to Melomics: So what's the real reason that it is public domain? I think just because the programmers wanted it to be, and the notice on the file should reflect that and no false reasons. Anyway, I Support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Done I added
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—Eatcha (Talk-Page) 19:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Done I added
- Back to Melomics: So what's the real reason that it is public domain? I think just because the programmers wanted it to be, and the notice on the file should reflect that and no false reasons. Anyway, I Support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- And why is File:Macaca nigra self-portrait large.jpg not a featured picture? I will nominate this now -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 19:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek, I added a way-back machine link in the source and linked to the en-wiki articles. I don't think it is in public domain just because it was created using a software, softwares are not living things to own the copyright + the software is itself created by the that University, so anything produced by that software is actually work of the University itself IMO, maybe in future when AGI will be a reality these computer can copyright the work. I don't want this to happen, why would anyone be happy to see his/her laptop asking for credits he/she created using it -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 18:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 16:07, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 3 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
File:0music 06 Melomics.flac, not featured
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- Description = Track 6 of 0music, album produced with Melomics technology (computer system).
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Melomics technology (computer system) - uploaded to commons by El perquisitore - nominated by Eatcha -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 14:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 14:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Once the same documentation edits I requested for the other Melomics file are made, I will support. How many Melomics files do you plan on nominating? Just curious. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Done, this is the last Melomics , I'm nominating. I plane to nominate some video performances -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 13:39, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 21:21, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose It gave me a headache. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 09:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support — whoever sent me the invitation to nominate sounds here probably knew (after maybe reading my English Wikipedia userpage) that Electronica was my favorite genre. But well, here I must be factual (unbiased) and judge this by its merits and not by my personal preferences (which tend more towards chiptunes). Here is my take: I could pick up almost all instruments playing here at the same time, without perceiving any note being drowned out by the others. I can say the involved frequencies were well balanced, with neither bass nor treble dominating over the other overall. I have not listened to the rest of the album, but if this single track alone represents the whole concept of the album itself (or, namely, the technology involved in making this album), then whoever picked up this example made a good, well-balanced choice. Thus, I support its nomination. ‐‑🌀SilSinnAL982100💬 23:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 4 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
File:A Chantar2.ogg, not featured
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created and uploaded by Makemi - nominated by Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Bitrate is below the guideline minimum of 128kbps. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 05:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose I like it, but can't go against the bitrate rule, which is itself very minimal IMO. Sorry -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 06:51, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - I used to teach this song as a musical example in Western Classical Music Survey/Appreciation courses, but I think I can actually hear the problems with the sound on my speakers. This should be nominated for Valuable Sound when that project is started, unless we can get a suitably licensed recording that's better. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:40, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Very good voice and good quality audio. I cannot hear with my hears that this melody has low quality. Do I have problems with hears? :) Quality for quality? Nonsense. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 09:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - No-one said that the melody is of low quality. It's a very beautiful melody. That isn't the issue. But it's really best not to assume and assert that no-one could possibly hear anything you can't hear. There are bound to be people who have duller and keener ears than any of us. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:42, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Also, the quality of the playback equipment each of us uses could make a huge difference. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose low bitrate does not inspire confidence, sorry. Vulphere 16:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support — Given that there is only human voice (no background music or other non-vocal sounds) in this recording (and each person’s voice does not encompass a huge bandwidth of frequencies), I believe the low bitrate is sufficient enough to capture the whole song without seriously compromising its understandability. The 128-kbps minimum is only required for full music and other sounds that cover very wide frequency spectra – which may not be reliably picked up with low bitrates; but here, this is not the case. Thus, I would exempt this performance from the 128-kbps bitrate rule; I believe such bitrate rule should be split into two or three separate standards (with different minimum bitrate requirements) for various different types of sound content. ‐‑🌀SilSinnAL982100💬 23:35, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - I don't think "understandability" is a good minimum standard. It's great to understand the lyrics, and her diction is extremely clear. But what about the sound quality? And when you talk about a small spectrum of frequencies, I think you're ignoring upper harmonics too much. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment In some recordings, a low-pass filter is applied, thus getting (almost) rid of such harmonics depending on whether they are desirable or not. ‐‑🌀SilSinnAL982100💬 05:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Yes, of course that option can be taken. As a flutist and sometimes a piccolo player, I know what doing that does to recordings of my instruments, and it's not good (a great advantage of digital over analog recordings of those instruments, when analog recordings are limited in the upper frequencies), but you might want that sound in certain situations. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:57, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 3 support, 4 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Irish song "Rocky Road to Dublin" by Christoph Nolte.
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Folk song
- Info performed by Christoph Nolte - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Yahya Abdal-Aziz (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support IMO OK -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 09:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 13:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 06:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - I really love this. I'm not sure my external speakers are big enough for me to tell the difference between this and a lossless file, but it sounds good to me. However, even with this one, I have some documentation questions. Is all the singing by Christoph Nolte, overdubbed in all registers? And is he also accompanying himself, or is someone else providing the accompaniment? For that matter, it would be good to specify which instruments are being played (it sounds like two instruments - a bass and perhaps a mandolin). I think there are multiple singers and two instrumentalists. If documentation clarifying these points is added, I will support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - I guess I'd better oppose for now, just to prevent the file from being quickly featured with 5 uncontested votes before the documentation issues can be resolved. Once they are resolved, I will support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 14:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Christoph Nolte - The Rocky Road - The Wild Mountain Thyme.ogg, not featured, not featured
[edit]Irish/Scottish folk song Wild Mountain Thyme by Christoph Nolte.
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Folk song
- Info created by Christoph Nolte - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Yahya Abdal-Aziz (talk) 13:57, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 13:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - I like this one, too. It sounds like it could be overdubbed. Can that be clarified in the file description? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support, thought I agree with Ikan (if possible to doctument). Copyright status on the song has a small question mark, but it doesn't look like the lyric claimant's claim is widely accepted. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 4 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
File:ElēģijaB.16588.wav, featured, featured
[edit]Elegy of Mikhail Glinka. Performers Riga Radio Trio: Aleksandrs Arnītis — Violin; Atis Teihmanis — Cello; Oļģerts Kreišmanis — Piano.
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Mikhail Glinka, performed by Aleksandrs Arnītis and Atis Teihmanis - uploaded to commons by User:Harrrij - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 08:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 08:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support --M.Bozorgmehr (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 13:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Support Outstanding technical quality.― Gerifalte Del Sabana 15:13, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose upon re-listening and reevaluating it. The technical quality of the recording is definitely existent, but per Mr. Fish, the intonation and of the performer is noticeably subpar to that of a well-trained professional. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 16:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support No complaints here. Cmao20 (talk) 18:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 13:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - The violinist and at one point the cellist have shaky intonation, so I'm not sure whether we should feature this as an example of a great recording - the quality of the rendition has to be relevant to whether it's a great recording or not. Can we have a Valuable Sound category analogous to Valuable Images? That's where I think this should be put. However, before I'd support that nomination, I also have a problem with the documentation. If you're going to list the names of the instrumentalists, you need to make it clear who is playing which instrument. The composition date is given as "[19--]", which is strange if Glinka lived from 1804-1857, and no year of release is given for this recording. Perhaps the abbreviation "B.v." is significant, but I have no idea what it means and I seriously doubt it's a standard discographic abbreviation. A bit of web searching hasn't turned up any obvious relevant meaning for it. Bound volume, perhaps? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek, why you did not try the site of w:National Library of Latvia? See this page with information about recording. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, but: (a) that page should be linked from the file description. Expecting people to look it up is like asking them to Google to find out the name and artist for a painting, rather than clearly documenting it on a file page for a reproduction of a painting. (b) How about copying the basic information from there to the file page? (c) Who is Braga Gaetano, and how is s/he relevant to this recording? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- I added the link to the description. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 12:34, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- I am not sure that w:Gaetano Braga is relevant to this recording. Error in description? --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 12:43, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, much better. However, the performance date is still given as "[19--]". Also, I'm sure you'll understand that I will still oppose because of the disturbing performance. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:03, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, but: (a) that page should be linked from the file description. Expecting people to look it up is like asking them to Google to find out the name and artist for a painting, rather than clearly documenting it on a file page for a reproduction of a painting. (b) How about copying the basic information from there to the file page? (c) Who is Braga Gaetano, and how is s/he relevant to this recording? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek, why you did not try the site of w:National Library of Latvia? See this page with information about recording. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 14:52, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Enrico Caruso, Bessie Abott, Louise Homer, Antonio Scotti, Giuseppe Verdi, Bella figlia dell' amore (Rigoletto).ogg, featured
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 30 May 2019 at 04:12:36
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Rigoletto: "Bella figlia dell'amore" - 1907 Victor Records recording starring Enrico Caruso, Bessie Abott, Louise Homer and Antonio Scotti.
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info See description for details - restored, uploaded, and nominated by Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Info I imagine we're going to have an interesting vote here. Phonograph cylinders... aren't modern recordings, and were recorded by having the singers next to a big horn, ducking out of the way of each other, instruments somewhere behind them, usually in a reduced arrangement. That said, I think this has everything in the actual recording (less some noise), but I'm not sure if this process is ready to judge wax cylinders. I think we should try, though, or a lot of history's denied us. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Caruso on a 1907 wax cylinder? Hell yes! This is a situation in which having this good a sound is great. The historical importance and quality of the performance from Caruso (not so much the others) overrides any standards of what a recording made in 2019 should sound like. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:23, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Caruso on phonograph cylinder, the truly classic recording that we deserve.--Vulphere 06:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Per Ikan. Cmao20 (talk) 08:49, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 14:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Historically important and recording sounds good for the technology available in 1907. Abzeronow (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Yes--BoothSift 04:06, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 7 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 18:01, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:JCZA - JCzarnecki-Flamenco.ogg, not featured, not featured
[edit]Flamenco melody performed by JCZA.
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Folk music
- Info created by JCZA - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 07:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 07:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Question - Who is JCZA? That should be made clear. Also, it's quite odd to hear flamenco with cowbells and so forth. Shouldn't it be made clear that while this is a flamenco melody, the accompaniment is not traditional? I think a kind of program note is really required, for this to be a really useful file. Andrew, I hope you don't feel like I'm crapping all over your work. I really appreciate that you're putting forth so much effort to start this project, and I'm a performer and composer, not a recording engineer or programmer, so I am taking on the role of trying to encourage everyone to do better, rather than actually contributing content. Apologies if I'm offending you, but I hope that my questions and criticisms end up being helpful to this project. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 1 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
File:L.N.KrigG - You Are Powerless To Resist Us!.ogg, not featured
[edit]The melody and song "You Are Powerless To Resist Us!" by L.N.KrigG, 2010.
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by L.N.KrigG - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. The documentation on the file page is IMO inadequate. How was it recorded, how many performers were there (who was singing, e.g.), was it released, and if so, how and by which company or was it self-released? I might not actually support if these things are added (just because I don't think I like this kind of music well enough to really judge what a particularly good example of it might be, though I could see how this song could be significant in a couple of ways and it's growing on me), but with satisfactory documentation added, I would at least cross out my opposing vote. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 1 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
File:Lillian Russell - Come Down Ma Evenin' Star.ogg, featured, featured
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 3 Jun 2019 at 06:11:14
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File Location
Description Lillian Russell's only recording, "Come Down Ma Evenin' Star", written for her in 1902 and recorded in 1912. During the production of Twirly Whirly, composer John Stromberg delayed giving her her solo for several days, saying it wasn't ready. When he committed suicide a few days before the first rehearsal, the sheet music for "Come Down Ma Evenin' Star" was found in his pocket. It became Lillian Russell's signature song.
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by John Stromberg (1853–1902) and Lillian Russell (1860-1922) - restored, uploaded, and nominated by Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Nice & good quality for a 100 year old recording -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) - ping me 10:42, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support.--Vulphere 17:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Per above, interesting listen and great quality for its age. Cmao20 (talk) 20:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Absolutely. We're lucky to have it. You could add a little more information to the file description, though. A reviewer at the Internet Archive link wrote that this recording was "done privately in 1912 and re-recorded onto a private label 78 RPM in 1943". If that's known to be true, it could be included in the file description. Was this originally recorded on a cylinder? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 14:57, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Mozart - Concerto in D for Flute K.314.ladybyron.ogg, not featured
[edit]To visit the nomination page click here. (File Location)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by en:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - uploaded to commons by Grendelkhan - nominated by Eatcha -- 🇪A〒ℂ🇭A 💬 13:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- 🇪A〒ℂ🇭A 💬 13:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- CommentAndrew Krizhanovsky, Thanks for your review -- 🇪A〒ℂ🇭A 💬 20:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support --M.Bozorgmehr (talk) 12:16, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
veto closing this as "featured" after less than 2 days of voting is ridiculous. --El Grafo (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)withdrawn: voting reopened --El Grafo (talk) 13:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)- Strong oppose 68kbps Ogg Vorbis. This is sub-MP3 quality. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 15:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per above.
Also worth pointing out that this sound appears on the Featured Sounds page already even though it hasn't passed yet.Cmao20 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC) - Oppose technical issues. Vulphere 13:46, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - It's really boring and not useful to hear the beginning of the 1st movement of this concerto unaccompanied (that long D by itself is just not interesting). Let's leave this kind of thing for recorded preliminary auditions, please. Signed, your resident professional flutist. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support (Rather flattered that someone noticed this after all this time!) --grendel|khan 04:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 4 support, 4 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /Eatcha (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
File:Reagan Brandenburg Gate speech.ogg, featured, featured
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 2 Jun 2019 at 18:13:29
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File Location
Description - Speech by Ronald Reagan at the Brandenburg Gate on 12 June 1987
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Historical recordings
- Info Another historical recording for you. President Reagan's famous speech at the Brandenburg gate on 12th June 1987, where he implores Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev - 'Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!' Uploaded to commons by Durova - nominated by Cmao20 -- Cmao20 (talk) 18:13, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Cmao20 (talk) 18:13, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - It's very interesting to listen to this speech now and think about how radically different things are, maybe even more in the West and especially the U.S. than in Russia. But this isn't the place to lay out or elaborate on such thoughts. Whatever you think or thought then about Reagan, this is a great and historic speech and an excellent recording of it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Classic speech should be featured.--Vulphere 06:50, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Ermell (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) - ping me 10:35, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Excellent quality and of historical note. -- Pteronura brasiliensis (talk) 18:54, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 6 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 14:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Serenade Melancolique - Tchaikovsky.ogg, featured, featured
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info Sérénade mélancolique recorded and mixed by Cynthia Wong, piece is performed by Grégor Monlun - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 06:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support --M.Bozorgmehr (talk) 12:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Weak support Substantial, notwithstanding the subpar audio codec.― Gerifalte Del Sabana 15:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Neutral per Ikan ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 05:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Per Gerifalte.
However again this currently appears on the Featured Sounds page even though its nomination time isn't up yet.Cmao20 (talk) 18:19, 13 May 2019 (UTC) - Support. Vulphere 13:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - Hold it. I oppose for now because this piece is being misrepresented. Listen to this and read w:Sérénade mélancolique. This is a piece for violin and orchestra, not a solo violin work. This recording is actually very beautiful per se, but is it really valuable? To illustrate what? How to record a part to a work for violin and orchestra as an unaccompanied solo? Maybe, but at least let's create accurate documentation that very clearly states that this recording is of only the solo violin part to a work for violin and orchestra. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ikan. I'd accept it as a Violin and piano piece, perhaps, but... qAdam Cuerden (talk) 06:04, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Me too. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:59, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 2 oppose, 1 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Victimae Paschali Laudes.ogg, featured
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 27 May 2019 at 03:48:53
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File Location
Sequence "Victimae Paschali Laudes", traditionally attributed to Wipo of Burgundy.
- Category
- Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created and uploaded by Makemi - nominated by Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Really beautiful. Cmao20 (talk) 09:44, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- WOW, We need more -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 13:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 21:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Excellent sound, excellent voice. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 09:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support ‐‑🌀SilSinnAL982100💬 23:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - I can definitely hear background noise on this, but it's a much fuller sound than the recording of A Chantar nominated below. I haven't decided whether to support but probably will not oppose. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - I think the sound is good enough at a reasonable volume level. Support per others. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:49, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support This is amazing--BoothSift 04:05, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 8 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 18:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Winston Churchill - Be Ye Men of Valour.ogg, featured, featured
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 29 May 2019 at 11:12:15
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File Location
Description - Radio recording of Winston Churchill's 1940 speech "Be ye men of valour"
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Historical recordings
- Info OK, this might be a bit controversial because the bitrate is considerably below the minimum standard. That said, I would like to propose that for irreplaceable historical recordings like this certainly is, we should make an exception, since we should consider ourselves lucky to have a recording of something so important that's decent quality and perfectly listenable. It's a recording of Prime Minister Winston Churchill's 1940 radio broadcast "Be Ye Men of Valour", made to the British nation during Hitler's advances in France. I won't be at all offended if you say no, but I think we probably need to have the conversation about whether the standards should be lower for historical recordings, especially if they have the wow-factor that this does. - Uploaded to commons by TeleComNasSprVen - nominated by Cmao20 -- Cmao20 (talk) 11:12, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Cmao20 (talk) 11:12, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Please do not oppose due to low bitrate, it does not apply to it (Historical recordings) -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 11:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support, this is very interesting for me, not native speaker, to listen and to read this text: s:Be Ye Men of Valour. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 11:39, 20 May 2019 (UTC) P.S. There is s:Portal:Audio recordings, we can use audio from Wikisource for this FS project. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support.--Vulphere 16:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support — Given that there is only human speech (no background music or other non-vocal sounds) in this recording (and each person’s voice does not encompass a huge bandwidth of frequencies), I believe the low bitrate is sufficient enough to capture the whole speech without seriously compromising its understandability. The 128-kbps minimum is only required for music and other sounds that cover very wide frequency spectra – which may not be reliably picked up with low bitrates; but here this is not the case. ‐‑🌀SilSinnAL982100💬 22:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 23:33, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - This makes for riveting listening today, in an echo of the past. Support per others and because of its importance, impact at the time and continued power today. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Question isn't this one of those things where the UK Government claims Churchill's family owns the Copyright to his speeches? Even though that'sa patently ridiculous without specific act of law? Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:14, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Abzeronow (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 8 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Yablochko melody.ogg, not featured
[edit]Melody of Russian folk song "Yablochko".
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- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Folk music
- Info created by - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 07:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 07:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 08:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I like the tune, and am sure it would serve as a nice example of a folk dance tune. However, the balance seems very heavily biased towards the percussive sounds in the bass register. Yahya Abdal-Aziz (talk) 13:45, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - Yeah, it sounds like a hip hop version of the song (which is not noted in the file description), so maybe the balance is accurate, or maybe it's a poor overdubbing (which I suspect). But the clincher to me is, who are the performers? No information whatsoever seems to be provided about them. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The balance is all off. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 06:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 2 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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Giuseppe Cambini (1746–1825?) wrote the Trois Quintetti Concertans ("Three Wind Quintets") around 1802, making the some of the earliest ever composed. This recording was performed in 2004 by the Soni Ventorum Wind Quintet: Felix Skowronek (flute), Laila Storch (oboe), William McColl (clarinet), Christopher Leuba (horn), and Arthur Grossman (bassoon).
No. 1 in Bb major
I. Allegro maestoso | |
II. Larghetto cantabile | |
III. Rondo Allegretto grazioso | |
No. 2 in D minor
I. Allegro espressivo | |
II. Larghetto sostenuto ma con moto | |
III. Presto ma non tanto | |
No. 3 in F major
I. Allegro maestoso | |
II. Larghetto sostenuto | |
III. Rondo Allegro con brio | |
Nominated by Adam Cuerden.
We don't appear to have a set template yet. I'd suggest we borrow the one from en:WP:FS. This may be grabbed using en:Template:FSCnom/init as the preload, en:Template:FSCnom/intro as the introduction, and en:Template:FSCnom as the helper template. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:05, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:59, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Loved these. I will create the set-reloader within the next 24 hrs, sorry for this problem (I assume you faced some problem while creating this nom due to absence of the reloader) -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 19:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Cmao20 (talk) 20:59, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Good quality performances (one could quibble here and there, but the overall quality was good, with some impressive flashy sections). The overall sound quality for this combination of instruments was pretty good to my ears. And I like the historical context for these works, which I didn't know in spite of having previously played in woodwind quintets and studied with Samuel Baron of the New York Woodwind Quintet and his sub for 13 years, Thomas Nyfenger, for over 13 years. A couple of smallish quibbles now: Of course this is a woodwind quintet, but "Quintetti Concertans" does not mean "Wind Quintets"; winds are "instruments à vent". Instead, this is a French translation of the Italian "Quintetti Concertanti", meaning quintets in the concerto-like concertante style. In other words, these are pieces showing off the virtuosity of each instrumentalist. Compare Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante, which features violin and viola soloists. My second quibble is an even smaller point: I think the 2nd and 3rd movements of the first quintet should be combined into one file, so that there isn't a hole where the 3rd movement was evidently played attacca (with no break after the 2nd movement). -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:46, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kenkek: I could probably arrange the latter. As for the former - I'm presuming that "Three Wind Quintets" is less of a translation and more of the common English name for the piece, like how "À la recherche du temps perdu" might be given as "Remembrance of Things Past" in English. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- That makes sense. However, I think the concertante nature of these pieces is worth a brief description. You need virtuosi on every instrument to play these quintets. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kenkek: I could probably arrange the latter. As for the former - I'm presuming that "Three Wind Quintets" is less of a translation and more of the common English name for the piece, like how "À la recherche du temps perdu" might be given as "Remembrance of Things Past" in English. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Good quality IMO--BoothSift 04:06, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Nice set of sounds.--Vulphere 13:43, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 6 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
This sound file will be added to the FS category: Music
- Question - How do we configure things to feature this? Is the category just "Music", or do we need to do something special because it's a set? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: , you can verify this as you verify other results which are not sets -- Eatcha (talk) 05:38, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
File:Étincelles (op. 229) (1889).ogg, not featured
[edit] (description, file) is a piano performance of Étincelles, opus 229 of Émile Waldteufel.
--Paralacre (talk) 17:17, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Support --Paralacre (talk) 17:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support — TintoMeches, 09:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Dэя-Бøяg 01:51, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Support Sorry, for being late -- Eatcha 💬 20:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)- Oppose Excellent interpretation, but two significant problems. 1) Exceedingly low bitrate Ogg Vorbis file. 2) The file lacks details about the performer and the performance itself. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 15:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per above. On the 'Featured sound critera' page it suggests that all candidates should have a minimum bitrate of 128 kbps. I think that sounds like a sensible standard to me, although it might be worth discussing if it should be higher still. Cmao20 (talk) 18:23, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per issues above -- Eatcha, (Talk-Page ) 19:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose technical issues. Vulphere 13:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - This would seem perfect for a Valued Sound category, even if no documentation can be found of which pianist recorded the player piano roll (I know there are sometimes problems with ascertaining that). I'll try to get around to formally proposing the creation of a VS category and defining it on the talk page. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:04, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 3 support, 4 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /Eatcha (talk) 14:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
0music by Melomics109 ( computer cluster )
[edit]Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 1 Jun 2019 at 07:06:28
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Track listing
No. | Title | Music | File Location | Length |
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1. | "0music 01" | Track 001 MIDI | 2:10 | |
2. | "0music 02" | Track 002 MIDI | 3:35 | |
3. | "0music 03" | Track 003 MIDI | 3:50 | |
4. | "0music 04" | Track 004 MIDI | 4:08 | |
5. | "0music 05" | Track 005 MIDI | 2:32 | |
6. | "0music 06" | Track 006 MIDI | 2:44 | |
7. | "0music 07" | Track 007 MIDI | 5:11 | |
8. | "0music 08" | Track 008 MIDI | 2:58 | |
9. | "0music 09" | Track 009 MIDI | 2:33 | |
10. | "0music 10" | Track 010 MIDI | 2:26 | |
11. | "0music 11" | Track 011 MIDI | 3:25 | |
12. | "0music 12" | Track 012 MIDI | 6:49 |
Description 0music is the second album produced with Melomics technology.
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Melomics - uploaded by El perquisitore - nominated by Eatcha -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 07:06, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Info -- -- This isn't a nom, I just want your response how is this set nomination template ? -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 07:06, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment You may use templates
{{agree}} & {{disagree}}
to state your opinions -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) 07:19, 23 May 2019 (UTC) - Agree Seems sensible to me. It's a nice neat set-up that doesn't take up too much space on the page. Cmao20 (talk) 09:18, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Agree Yes, this is sensible format.--Vulphere 11:48, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Agree -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Agree --BoothSift 04:37, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
- More ambiguous: It's good for the right kind of set, terrible for other kinds. It doesn't look like it could handle divisions well, like "Act I" or "Act II" or "First of the "Three Wind Quintets", and it's going to be completely out of place for something like en:Wikipedia:Featured_sounds#Ham_Radio_Digital_Modes, a set of field recordings, or anything where there isn't a track list or substantially more description of the parts is needed. It's excellent for the intended use, though. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, Adam Cuerden, we will use 2 types of set nominations, one that already in use(Same as enwiki-FSC) and this one for tracks like this. Eatcha (Talk-Page) - ping me 10:40, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry to be a pain! Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: X support, X oppose, X neutral → not featured. /Note: this candidate has several alternatives, thus if featured the alternative parameter needs to be specified. /FSCBot (talk) 23:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC))
File:Daniel Bautista - Weirdos And Classics - Some Polovtsian Dances (Borodin).ogg, not featured
[edit]Polovtsian Dances in the arrangement of the Spanish rock guitarist Daniel Bautista. To visit the nomination page click here. (File Location)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Alexander Borodin, performed by Daniel Bautista - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:40, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:40, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Yahya Abdal-Aziz (talk) 14:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 13:43, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 3 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Vulphere 11:42, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Daniel Bautista - Beethoven - Para Elisa.ogg, not featured
[edit]Für Elise played by Daniel Bautista. To visit the nomination page click here. (File Location)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Ludwig van Beethoven and Daniel Bautista - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - @Andrew Krizhanovsky, Please add category to your nomination (like Music, Field recordings, Historical recordings, Other) If it does not fits into these you may use a different category. Thanks, -- -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 09:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you! I forgot it. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 10:04, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 13:43, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 15:19, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 3 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Vulphere 11:43, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Dreamworld - Reflection - Symphony 40.ogg, not featured
[edit]Symphony No. 40 (Mozart) performed by Dreamworld, 2011. To visit the nomination page click here. (File Location)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Andrew Krizhanovsky - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:28, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:28, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - As a classical musician (among other things - I also play a lot of jazz and am featured on the title track of an indy rock album that's currently out), I really don't like this arrangement, so I can't judge it. But who is Dreamworld? That should be documented in the file description. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 1 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Vulphere 11:46, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Myuu Pop Goes the Weasel.ogg, not featured
[edit]Pop Goes the Weasel performed by Nicolas Gasparini (myuu), 2013. To visit the nomination page click here. (File Location)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info by Nicolas Gasparini (myuu) - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 06:38, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - The... synthesised? instrument sounds odd to me, and, while there certainly are music box performances of this piece, it is a song with lyrics that would be more valuable with them. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - I have to agree with Adam. Frankly, I think an ice cream truck usually sounds better than this. Very sorry. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:10, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose I mean it's not bad but it's all a bit odd, and it doesn't wow me in any way. Cmao20 (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 2 support, 3 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Vulphere 11:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Carnival of Venice-James Boldin.ogg, not featured
[edit]Carnival of Venice by Ray Adams. To visit the nomination page click here. (File Location)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info based on a Neapolitan folk tune and popularized by violinist and composer Niccolo Paganini, performed by Ray Adams - uploaded to commons by Andrew Krizhanovsky - nominated by Andrew Krizhanovsky -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 06:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 06:36, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
SupportSeems OK for me, lossy format but high-ish bitrate, name of the performer is there, and decent recording overall. Cmao20 (talk) 18:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Ikan Kekek is quite right. The quality isn't as good as I thought at first. Cmao20 (talk) 20:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Vulphere 13:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - I'm sorry, but I see no identification of the performers, unless Ray Adams is the hornist, but then who is the pianist? Also, where was it performed (I presume this is not a studio recording)? Moreover, the hornist's intonation even in the theme is weird, plus quite a few obvious and sometimes jarring wrong notes as it goes along, and there is an unpleasant amount of background noise at times (though that would be acceptable with, say, a recorded performance by Sviatoslav Richter or someone else great). Finally, this is not just a folk tune, but quite obviously a composed set of variations that need to be attributed to someone (again, Ray Adams, perhaps?). But I ultimately found it too painful to listen to this recording past 4:25. I would have to strongly oppose featuring this, even if the documentation is made much clearer. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:21, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 3 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Vulphere 11:48, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Mozart - Eine kleine Nachtmusik - 1. Allegro.ogg, not featured
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Description The first movement of Mozart's Serenade No. 13 ("Eine kleine Nachtmusik")
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info This is actually a renomination since it seems to have been nominated before in October 2013, but I guess the project was more or less dead then and it didn't get any support. It's an excellent, really high-quality recording of an iconic piece of classical music. uploaded to commons by Graham87 - nominated by Cmao20 -- Cmao20 (talk) 20:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Cmao20 (talk) 20:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Wrong file location. Please fix that. I hope the file states who performed. I will await a chance to look at the file page before listening and appraising the performance. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Ikan Kekek, sorry, I thought I had fixed that. The default template for creating a nomination causes all sorts of problems like that when one follows the rules and puts a '/2' at the end to perform a renomination. Should be fixed now. Looks like the information you are looking for is there though. Cmao20 (talk) 06:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. Yes it is, although I had to click a couple more times to find out who and where the Advent Chamber Orchestra is. I think this, from the Category:Advent Chamber Orchestra page, should be included in the file description: "The Advent Chamber Orchestra, a conductorless orchestra, is based in Bolingbrook, Illinois, and usually performs in the Chicago metropolitan area" [slightly edited for grammar]. I'll listen to the file in the coming days. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Certainly. The text you have quoted is now copied to the file description. Cmao20 (talk) 10:54, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Support -- Eatcha (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2019 (UTC)- I'm Neutral now, per Ikan -- Eatcha (talk) 15:37, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - This opposing vote may surprise some of you. Here's my reasoning: The tempo and most of the rhythmic feel was quite nice. However, this is an extremely commonly performed and recorded work, and there were enough problems with the intonation in the violins (fairly consistently a bit out of tune with one another) and the (sometime lack of) syncing in the ensemble that I just can't consider this outstanding. Instead, if this is the only or best recording of this movement that we have, I would support it for Valued Sound Candidates, if we had such a designation. Mind you, it's by no means a bad performance, and I did enjoy it, overall, but mostly from a standpoint of interpretation, not execution. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ikan.--Vulphere 09:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support Millennium bug (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Result: 2 support, 2 oppose, 1 neutral → not featured. /—Eatcha (talk) 09:27, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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Description Torn Apart - Single by Neffex
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I’m feeling like I’m torn apart VERSE 1: I’m feeling like I’m torn apart VERSE 2: I’m feeling like I’m torn apart |
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by NEFFEX Music - rest by Eatcha -- Eatcha (talk) 03:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (talDE k) 03:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Very abrupt ending, but (otherwise?) a good example of its type. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support.--Vulphere 07:20, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support pretty much per Ikan Kekek. Need to get Balklandji over here soon. Sorry I've been gone a bit. Things got a little crazy in real life. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support Prime example of the kind of music used as background on Youtube. I kind of hate it … --El Grafo (talk) 14:13, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /—Eatcha (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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Description Rudy Mancuso & Maia Mitchell - Magic (Official Music Video) (Everything is in the file description including the lyrics)
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Rudy Mancuso & Maia Mitchell - uploaded to commons by Eatcha - nominated by Eatcha -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) - ping me 19:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Info — Click here to view in FULL-HD. Eatcha (Talk-Page) - ping me 19:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (Talk-Page) - ping me 19:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Superb, I can't believe that so high quality video is available at our Commons :) Also I like listen music and read lyrics (subtitles) at one time. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 07:59, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support.--Vulphere 10:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Neither my favorite kind of music nor my favorite lyrics, but great sound and a serious video. As Andrew says, we're lucky to be able to use it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:32, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- weak support I find the lyrics somewhat banal, which I guess counts as 'no wow'. But the video is impressively done and high quality. It is indeed surprising that this is available for Commons. Cmao20 (talk) 20:17, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Agreed, very banal. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:10, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /--Eatcha (talk) 09:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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File:Suikinkutsu recording.ogg, featured
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Description A recording of a suikinkutsu, a type of Japanese garden ornament and musical device.
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Field recordings
- Info created by Shizhao and Torsodog - nominated by Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Interesting one. Cmao20 (talk) 20:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Nicely illustrative, but this is a derivative file. Why don't we feature the original, File:Waterharpsound.ogg, with the English and Polish description added? Is there an advantage to the derivative file? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:09, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, the main difference between the two is that in the original file there is some background noise, which sounds like the call of a bird, at 0:16. This has been cut out in the derivative file. Cmao20 (talk) 06:49, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I'll listen for that later. Thanks. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:36, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, yes, the caw of a crow, and I now notice that its removal is noted in "Modification". I had to pay attention to really notice it. This version is also a bit shorter. I'll Support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support — Eatcha (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support.--Vulphere 09:02, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose There's a lot of irritating background noise that sounds like wind or traffic. There's also something that sounds to me like someone using a string trimmer or a leaf blower somewhere in the distance. --El Grafo (talk) 11:18, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - These are like wind chimes. They're outside in a city. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:53, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I know. It's still really irritating to me. For the lack of a better picture: it's somewhat akin to a photograph of a Japanese rock garden that has hundreds of cigarette butts scattered between the pebbles. You may not notice them at first sight, but once you've seen them they totally ruin the illusion. --El Grafo (talk) 08:34, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 09:28, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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Description Swallowtail Jig - Irish Fiddle Tune
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Katy Adelson - uploaded to commons by Eatcha - nominated by Eatcha -- Eatcha (talk) 17:21, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Info ———Click here to view in FULL HD Eatcha (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (talk) 17:21, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support.--Vulphere 17:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - A very good Irish melody, a fine performance and good sound. And I checked - she explained what the accompaniment was and what tools she used to make it. So to me, this checks all the boxes. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support Quintessentially Irish. Cmao20 (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Bijay chaurasia (talk) 12:12, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Result: 5 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /--Eatcha (talk) 09:24, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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Description Two ex-J. S. Bach minuets arranged in electronic berceuse musical box format, merged without ritornello. Unique work.
- Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
- Info created by Millennium bug - uploaded to commons by Millennium bug - nominated by Millennium bug -- Millennium bug (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Millennium bug (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support Nice, High quality recording - Eatcha (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - First of all, I don't know what you mean by "ex-Bach", but this music is by Petzold for Anna Magdalena Bach to play. But I really dislike this electronic version. Of course the drawback of any electronic version is that it's likely to sound robot-like, but this one has really weird trills that sound completely off to me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Ikan Kekek First of all, I replaced for ex-J. S.Bach. Question Would supressing the trills change your vote? Millennium bug (talk) 22:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:20, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- So I'll wait for the others' advices to consider making an alternate proposal. Millennium bug (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- By the way, side point, but is there ever a ritornello? Do you mean no da capo to the first minuet? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- In the original form each minuet have two parts, both with ritornello. Da capo either. Millennium bug (talk) 20:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- I used to play this piece, and of course I've also heard it performed many times. My memory is Minuet I (Maggiore) - Minuet II (Minore) - Minuet I da capo. Ritornelli are normally in fast movements of concerti (think of the famous opening of the "Spring" concerto in Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons", which is repeated in part in different keys throughout the first movement, interspersed with solo passages) or some portions of cantatas sometimes (Bach's "Wachet Auf" has a famous example in a movement that features chorus and orchestra), never in minuets (unless maybe if Monterverdi or someone else in the relatively early 17th century wrote minuets, as the style was quite different then than in the 18th century). Are you really dead sure you're using the term ritornello correctly? For anyone who wants to understand what a ritornello is and how it relates to the rest of a concerto movement, here's a good explanation you can listen to and look at. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- In the original form each minuet have two parts, both with ritornello. Da capo either. Millennium bug (talk) 20:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- By the way, side point, but is there ever a ritornello? Do you mean no da capo to the first minuet? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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[edit]New file without trills, improved sound quality and a second fraction before starting. Let's try if it works now. Millennium bug (talk) 06:07, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - The style is better, even if still a bit robotic in giving the 1st beat of each measure the same weight many measures in a row. However, it has two wrong notes in the left hand in measure 15 - you have A-B-D instead of C-D-D, a mistake that makes the left and right hands play in parallel octaves for 2 beats, totally unacceptable in this style. I think that what you mean instead of "ritornello" is repeats. Minuets normally have the form AABB or AAA<superscript>1</superscript>A<superscript>1</superscript>, and you've reduced that to AB or AA<superscript>1</superscript> in both minuets. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:43, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - In fairness, since this is such a famous and often-played piece, I doubt I'd support featuring any electronic version, but if I do, it'll have to be really fantastic. So if you want to try to impress me, aside from fixing the two crucial note errors, think about which measures are stronger and weaker and calibrate the accentuation accordingly. One really common pattern in measure accentuation is STRONG weak STRONG weak, but that's not the only pattern. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- Ok. Thanks for now. Fixing the mistakes of classical music harmony canons would not be a problem. But the other disagreementes (weighing tempos and restoring repeats) are out of the inicial purpose, of emulating a simple berceuse music box (and you probable reject this principle). Thus, in order to avoid changing the proposal kernel, I'll wait the others' advice previosously to a possible third attempt. Thanks again. Millennium bug (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't say you should change the tempo or restore repeats, but you need to correct the glaring wrong notes. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- I've just checked the original Petzold's manuscript and he himself has written the "mistaken" parallel octave. So I'm in a dilemma, don't you agree? Millennium bug (talk) 23:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- No, no real dilemma. It's an obvious scribe's mistake. Fix it to the notes everyone uses. The idea that whatever is in the text is always right is an erroneous 20th-century idea. 18th-century and even 19th-century manuscripts often exist in several versions, all somewhat different from one another, and even printed versions can have errors. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- So it seems that people that identified the scribe's mistake haven't show this thesis because all available scores (see, e.g. in Google or Imlsp) simply repeat it. Nonetheless, I'd agree in changing if there were more editors in the discussions to endorse it. For now let's wait. Thank you again. Millennium bug (talk) 17:15, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- In these kinds of instances, basic knowledge of 18th-century style in written European music is sufficient to understand that a careless scribe wrote 2 notes a third too low. I feel sure the modern edition I played from when I was 6 had the correct notes, because I played them, but I have no idea what happened to that sheet music over the years. What I do know is that those parallel octaves are ugly in this context and unacceptable, and could not possibly have been the intent of any composer of the period with any degree of musical knowledge or understanding at all, including a 6-year-old. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:35, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- So it seems that people that identified the scribe's mistake haven't show this thesis because all available scores (see, e.g. in Google or Imlsp) simply repeat it. Nonetheless, I'd agree in changing if there were more editors in the discussions to endorse it. For now let's wait. Thank you again. Millennium bug (talk) 17:15, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- No, no real dilemma. It's an obvious scribe's mistake. Fix it to the notes everyone uses. The idea that whatever is in the text is always right is an erroneous 20th-century idea. 18th-century and even 19th-century manuscripts often exist in several versions, all somewhat different from one another, and even printed versions can have errors. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
- I've just checked the original Petzold's manuscript and he himself has written the "mistaken" parallel octave. So I'm in a dilemma, don't you agree? Millennium bug (talk) 23:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't say you should change the tempo or restore repeats, but you need to correct the glaring wrong notes. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- Ok. Thanks for now. Fixing the mistakes of classical music harmony canons would not be a problem. But the other disagreementes (weighing tempos and restoring repeats) are out of the inicial purpose, of emulating a simple berceuse music box (and you probable reject this principle). Thus, in order to avoid changing the proposal kernel, I'll wait the others' advice previosously to a possible third attempt. Thanks again. Millennium bug (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok, I've understood and I trust you so I will take care of your advice in the next proposal. Millennium bug (talk) 18:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- [edit conflict] By the way, I'm sorry if I sound abrasive. I'm a professional musician, have a Doctorate in music and taught all kinds of music courses for years, and I also compose, so it's my expertise speaking. I don't have universal expertise on all aspects of music (I imagine some of you know more about hip hop and electronic music than I do, for example), but I know some things very well and don't shrink from speaking confidently and emphatically about them. However, I don't mean to be disrespectful or assholish. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- Of course you're not at all disruptive. You've opened my mind about scribe errors and misconceptions of the "composer-loyalty-school" (of which I've already aware of). I'm an amateur musician and even though I know the interdiction of parallel octaves (and other rules) mainly in cases like that, because we have two voices. I feel thankful for your contribution. I will play the minuets on piano (much later than 6yo) and if you want to visit Brazil you are invited. . Thank you for all. Millennium bug (talk) 20:38, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- I very much hope to visit Brazil some day! One of my most important teachers was Keith Underwood, who's based here in New York but spent a year in Brazil on a Fulbright grant studying a virtuosic form of traditional wooden flute music while giving concerts and master classes on modern flute. He's been back to Brazil many times and speaks fluent Portuguese. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Of course you're not at all disruptive. You've opened my mind about scribe errors and misconceptions of the "composer-loyalty-school" (of which I've already aware of). I'm an amateur musician and even though I know the interdiction of parallel octaves (and other rules) mainly in cases like that, because we have two voices. I feel thankful for your contribution. I will play the minuets on piano (much later than 6yo) and if you want to visit Brazil you are invited. . Thank you for all. Millennium bug (talk) 20:38, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Result: 2 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /—Eatcha (talk) 09:37, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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- Info created by ER Studios - uploaded to commons by Eatcha - nominated by Eatcha -- Eatcha (talk) 01:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (talk) 01:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - I love Malaysia and Malaysians and used to live in Terengganu, so I'm really sorry to oppose, but the violinist is a near-beginner in terms of skill. I heard Suzuki violinists around 6-8 years old play at this kind of level in student recitals countless times when I used to teach at a preparatory music school. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:33, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Ikan, there are some clear oopsies in the violin part. --El Grafo (talk) 08:09, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- I withdraw my nomination per opposes above -- Eatcha (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)