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Category:St Marie's Church, Istanbul

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Please change the name of this category to "Church of Santa Maria, Istanbul" to match the official translation of the name of this church. Thanks in advance. 51 .37.99.83 15:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ak Gulder Performance

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Set of (mobile phone) images imported automatically from flickr. Not a single one of the being used COM:SCOPE. Delete the lot. Specially in light of lack of commercial FOP:Kasachstan Qualitätssicherung (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Victorian Turkish baths

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I don't know how this should be, but starting off what seems to be a discussion about categorization by creating a parentless category is certainly not the right way to go about this. Please let's work out what we want to do here. Jmabel ! talk 22:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your interest. Although I have made several minor changes to wiki pages over the years, I have never done a major revision or, specifically, added an image. I have clearly done something wrong for which I apologise. I thought there was some sort of connection between Wiki Commons and Wiki. I was involved a couple of years ago in the decision to split the "Turkish baths" article (because there is no easily defined entity relating tothat phrase). It was agreed to have two pages, one on "Hammam" and the other on "Victorian Turkish bath". The page was split, but the VTB page mainly consisted of what had been on the earlier page. I undertook to see whether it might be made more accurate and comprehensive.
From 28 November 2023 I indicated what I was proposing in some detail and asked for views on the Victorian Turkish Bath Talk page. Later I drew attention to this page on the Hammam talk page.
I am about to place the first part of the revised article online, and to this end I have added 14 images, all but one of which specifically relates to Victorian Turkish baths. They are not public baths, nor are they so-called "Turkish baths", or saunas, banya, etc, all of which should fall intop a new major category 'Hot-air baths'.
I did put a request for help in obtaining this new category some time in the last 48 hours but, alas, I can't remember where I put it.
I believe that it would be helpful to put this revised page on wiki so that it can, with help for others, form the basis of a page worthy of Wikipedia. Alas, I find the instructions to do various, probably simple, operations often difficult to understand unless one has plenty of time to spend on learning it properly.
As I am approaching my 89th birthday, I would consider it a favour if some kind person would tell me simply how to get a new category so I can start uploading my page. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you. Ishpoloni (talk) 00:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
13 of the 14 images I uploaded can be found at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Victorian_Turkish_baths
The 14th I added the category to an image which was classified in several sub-categories (?) under which no one interested in VTb would find it.
If you search for images on "Turkish baths" on Commons you will find that all but a dozen or so should be categorised under Hammam. I should have thought that this needs rectification, but this is for someone else more knowledgeable about the subject than I.
Again thank you for your interest. I hope it will encourage others to join in. Ishpoloni (talk) 01:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the 28 November 2023 remarks Ishpoloni is referring to are at en:Talk:Victorian Turkish bath. Ishpoloni, you may or may not already know: the English-language Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons are two separate (though related) web sites, "sister projects" under the Wikimedia Foundation. - Jmabel ! talk 03:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I hadn't realised this. I was confused because it seemed to me that the only way you could add an omage to a Wikipedia page was by using Wikipedia Commons. Thank you for pointing this out. So what should I do now to get a speedy result?
By the way, although I was suggesting VTb as a major category for the images I uploaded, I wasn't, of course, suggesting that this should be the only category that applied to all of them. Obviously the Free_Press.jpg file would also be important under the 'History of newspapers in the United Kingdom' category, but with time being short that is not my present concern.

On the other hand, while the image "Turkish Bath, Lincoln Place, Dublin (30446879771).jpg" can legitimately be categorised as 'Buildings in Dublin', it was incorrect to label it as 'hammam' or 'public baths' both of which have specific meanings which do not apply. Was I wrong to delete them and add the image to VTb? The faux-minaretted building in the picture could be said to be cortrectly categorised as the first haute cuisine restaurant in Ireland, but no-one seems to have suggested this.

However, my main concern is still, where do I go from here? Or do I just wait and work on something else? Ishpoloni (talk) 10:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please, have some patience. I posted at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard hoping to get some attention for this discussion, but at any given time there are literally hundreds of issues moving forward. - Jmabel ! talk 19:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I do appreciate your help. Ishpoloni (talk) 01:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice now left at Commons:Village pump as well, hoping to get someone to help out here. - Jmabel ! talk 19:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Files from gnuckx Flickr stream (CC-0)

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IMO it is unnecessary to split the maintenance category with a specific license, just up-merge it A1Cafel (talk) 15:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Coats of arms of Pferffzdorff family

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Sollte verschoben werden nach Coats of arms of Pferdsdorf family, weil diese Schreibweise wahrscheinlicher ist, siehe Siebmacher und https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/view/bsb10333183?q=%28Heideloff,+Deutsches+F%C3%BCrsten-+und+Ritter-Album+der+Marianischen+Ritterkapelle+in+Ha%C3%9Ffurt%29&page=34,35 GerritR (talk) 11:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we could move. Skim (talk) 15:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Coats of arms of Gneisenau family

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Bitte als Umleitung zu Category:Coats of arms of Neidhardt family führen, siehe dort GerritR (talk) 14:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC) ✓ Done Made into a redirect to the second category if I understand the request correctly. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PCC TTC streetcar 4612

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Currently this category contains a single image, File:Old TTC PCC car at the Fort Edmonton Park Streetcar Barns.jpg. For a long time it contained about a dozen images.

Without any prior discussion someone moved all those images into a brand new category, Category:TTC class A-15 (4600-4618) streetcars.

Let me offer, early, a reason why this streetcar should have a category all its own. It is literally a museum piece. It would have been built close to a century ago, and most of the other vehicles built at the same time it was have been scrapped. 4612, on the other hand seems to have been restored to mint condition.

I have no objection to making Category:PCC TTC streetcar 4612 a subcategory of Category:TTC class A-15 (4600-4618) streetcars.

I restored File:Old TTC PCC car at the Fort Edmonton Park Streetcar Barns.jpg to this category so it wouldn't be empty, as empty categories routinely get deleted.

I think that the best practices, if someone thinks all the images in one category really belong in new category, with what they think is a better name, is to either open a discussion at categories for discussion, or to place a {{Move}} template on the category.

  1. Often the person who thinks the new category they just came up with has a better name is WRONG.
  2. Even if they had good arguments for a rename, their particular choice of new name merits discussion. In this particular instance it does not say that "TTC Class A-15" vehicles were all a model of the famous and iconic PCC streetcars. That is important information, and I suggest consideration should have been put into including it in the category name.
  3. If the community decided the images belonged in the new category, because that decision was made here, at categories for discussion, or because someone place a {{Move}} template, a robot would have taken care of moving the images, and a category redirect would have been left behind.
  4. Moving long-standing category names, or redirects, is potentially quite disruptive. It is porentially quite disruptive, even if those redirects or category names don't show any incoming links from within the commons, or within the WMF. Why? Because the commons is not intended to only serve WMF project contributors. The WMF project is one of the most widely visited sites on the internet. Our readers will routinely be bookmarking the URLs of pages within the WMF that they find valuable. That could include using the URL to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:PCC_TTC_streetcar_4612, which would have ended up being deleted, if the person who usurped all its images had their way. Geo Swan (talk) 02:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Images from WLM 2019 India with watermarks

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This maintenance category is unlikely to be used A1Cafel (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People by name

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Hello, this category should be renamed to Category:People by name (flat list) what it is. Just compare it with Category:Objects by name (or other Categories by name) which are looking different. And instead see Category:Surnames (flat list) (or Category:Bridges in Czechia (flat list)). Regards --W like wiki good to know 00:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same thing to do with Category:Women by name (→Category:Women by name (flat list)) and Category:Men by name (→Category:Men by name (flat list)). --W like wiki good to know 04:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about this. To me the "(flat list)" suffix makes most sense when there's a similar category with a hierarchical structure. Actually I also don't understand the background of Category:Surnames (flat list). --Reinhard Müller (talk) 20:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about Category:Journalists from Germany by name? It's inside the main category tree... 186.175.129.32 22:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to note that these categories are heavily auto-populated by Template:Wikidata Infobox - if they are changed, please give notice at Template talk:Wikidata Infobox. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Men by name

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For the same discussion please go to Cfd Category:People by name. Thx! --W like wiki good to know 04:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women by name

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For the same discussion please go to Cfd Category:People by name. Thx! --W like wiki good to know 04:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Monastic libraries

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Also Category:Monastic libraries by continent and Category:Monastic libraries in Europe.Presently has a supercat Category:Christian libraries, but there are (e.g.) Buddhist monastic libraries (indeed I've added a few over the last few days). But it's about 90% Christian at the moment, so I propose renaming the extant cats to Category:Christian monastic libraries & similar, then recreating Category:Monastic libraries and fishing out the non-Christian ones to put there. Polyphemus Goode (talk) 08:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that "monastic" is the wrong word. The libraries are not monastic, they just happen to be located in monasteries. So Category:Monastery libraries by continent etc. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is correct, like the terms monastic vows, monastic life, monastic gardens, monastic architecture, etc... If there are budhist libraries in a monastery, they can be put in the Category:Monastic libraries in Asia. This category is based on facts not on religion. Don't make it religious? Carolus (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vows and life pertain to the essence of the thing; they are indeed monastic. Gardens, libraries and cafes are just things that happen to be located within the walls of a monastery; they are not monastic per se. Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Geert van Pamel in 2011

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Category to delete Geert Van Pamel (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Geertivp vanzelfsprekend, er zijn geen afbeeldingen (meer) beschikbaar, bovendien een spellingfout. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 15:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A ja, een lege categorie. Evident nutteloos. Dartelaar [geef een gil!] 00:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Coast Guard of Yemen

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In this edit another contributor placed a speedy deletion tag on an older category, that had been useful, and in use, until they emptied it.

I think their emptying the old category of all its contents, without discussing whether this was a good idea first, was a mistake.

I think their nonmination to delete the old category was a mistake. Even if, for the sake of argument, their idea as to how to categorize the images and subcategories, was convincing, the fact that the old category had been useful, and had been in use, means it should have been left as a redirect.

Deleting it means any third parties who had bookmarked it get an easily avoidable broken link.

The person who usurped the old categories images has not, so far as I can see, offered any explanation as to why they think their organizational scheme was superior. I would like to see that explanation. Maybe the old categorization scheme, the old category names, were superior, after all? Geo Swan (talk) 01:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the countries where several coast guard organizations exist in parallel, thus there is a navigational template {{Countries of Asia|prefix=:Category:Coast guard of}} available. (The template works with case-sensitivity). At the same time, the coast guard of Yemen is called Yemen Coast Guard in English. With the combination of the above considerations, I don't think it's necessary to have a discussion here before moving and deleting this category with the original name. 隐世高人 (talk) 17:15 11 February 2024 (UTC)
  • 隐世高人, aren't you ignoring a key point? You did not follow the accepted conventions for renaming a category. You tried to delete the old existing category, even though that would break any incoming third party bookmarks.
The wikimedia has, for years, supported serving images to non-WMF projects. Links to images and categories from the non-WMF projects the WMF commons serves don't show up as incoming links. So, you should never call for the deletion of categories that were once in use, even when you reached the personal conclusion they are no longer useful.
Don't do it.
I don't understand whatever point you were trying to make by telling us to look at {{Countries of Asia}}. Geo Swan (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the template {{Countries of Asia|prefix=:Category:Coast guard of}} is a navigational template, but the existing of the category that you persist in keeping makes the template cannot work successfully, and the category name of the category is not matched with the English name of the corresponding item. As a result, I believe that moving the category to the parent category Category:Coast guard of Yemen with the subcategory Yemen Coast Guard and deleting the category with the original name is good. 隐世高人 (talk) 03:03 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  1. I did not find your explanation as to why the category needed to be renamed clear.
  2. Even if, for the sake of argument, your argument for a rename won general endorsement, you still haven't explained why you emptied the existing category. Do you not understand why manually emptying categories is disruptive? Do you not understand why it is essential you follow the accepted conventions for how to rename categories? Geo Swan (talk) 19:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion could be considered to be closed via the result of the discussion with User:Geo Swan has not made any voices on this page since he resumed contributing on the Commons on 16 February 2024 following left his comment as the last reply within this discussion on 11 February 2024. 隐世高人 (talk) 07:05 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  • 隐世高人, I think you know I brought this issue up at the Administrators' noticeboard, here. Your interpretation, that you can act in a way that triggers the deletion of long-standing categories, was NOT endorsed. So, use the accepted conventional ways to suggest whatever you think is a superior category name. Why? Because if other people agree with you that your name is superior the long-standing name is converted to a redirect, not deleted. Geo Swan (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nazi collaborators in China

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any references for this category?

i dont think China–Germany_relations_(1912–1949)#Nazi_Germany_and_China is normally considered "collaboration with nazis" with respect to the holocaust and the war that started with the munich agreement.

"By April 1938, Ribbentrop had ended all German arms shipments to China and had all of the German Army officers serving with the Nationalist government recalled, with the threat that the families of the officers in China would be sent to concentration camps if the officers did not return to Germany immediately.[44] At the same time, the end of the informal Sino-German alliance led Chiang to terminate all concessions and contracts held by German companies in Kuomintang China.[45]" that means this "cooperation" ended 1 year before munich agreement.

if this category's definition is not commonly accepted among historians, then  Delete. RZuo (talk) 11:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Winter in the Northern Hemisphere by year

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All subcategories should be renamed with en dashes, not hyphens. OmegaFallon (talk) 16:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can do that if you want, patiently, one by one, here this is just basic renaming, which may be automated: rename (leaving a redirect banner) then move contents to the new category name.
But then look at subcategories in Category:Summer in the Southern Hemisphere: there should be hyphens or dashes everywhere (a single year is ambiguous, so all categories there with a single year need to have their content checked, it's not just about reaming the single-year categories, but creating double-year categories and recategorizing the content of single-year categories, empty them, and then place them in a parent category for cleanup and a fnial request for deletion). verdy_p (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See related discussion: Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/02/Category:Summer in the Southern Hemisphere by year. verdy_p (talk) 17:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For a use like this, I strongly prefer the character that can readily be typed on a normal keyboard. - Jmabel ! talk 20:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree - let’s leave this with a regular character you easily type into with the keyboard. I don’t see the need for this change. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given that most categories are named with hyphens, for coherence and easier navigation with navboxes, the few categories using languer dashes may be safely renamed (possibly leaving for some times a redirect for stability of links). This does not cause any problem of ambiguity (e.g. with date formats) and this discussion may then be closed. Renaming in the other direction would take more time to do and cleanup completely. However some checks should be done with other categories using names with year spans, if this ever causes incoherences from there. verdy_p (talk) 03:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Summer in the Southern Hemisphere by year

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All subcategories should be renamed with en dashes, not hyphens. OmegaFallon (talk) 16:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See related discussion: Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/02/Category:Winter in the Northern Hemisphere by year. verdy_p (talk) 17:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, much easier to use a regular dash from the keyboard. I’m not sure why this proposed change is necessary. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But hyphens or dashes should still be present everywhere for summers in the Southern Hemisphere, as these summers are all spanning two years and using a single year is ambiguous. Existing categories using spans of two years are already using hyphens, and per the discussion for Winter in the Northern Hemisphere by year, this is also the best choice to apply: we don't need long dashes, and hyphens in year spans are not creating any ambiguity of dates. verdy_p (talk) 03:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note, I have started to implement hyphens for summers in the Southern Helisphere; recategorisation is in progress by rationalising templates (taking into account the difference between northern and southern seasons). verdy_p (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ron Wood

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Subject should be moved to Category:Ronnie Wood as that is his common name, "Ron" is a less common nickname for his full first name "Ronald". StarTrekker (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean should be renamed Ronald? 186.10.110.138 21:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, Ronnie. I edited to make it more clear.StarTrekker (talk) 00:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gallery page of sovereign countries

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Should be "pages", even Andorra has 7... 186.175.220.6 12:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Support renaming to Gallery pages of countries, as countries are used to be defined as sovereign. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Six-wheeled articulated trucks

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This category is mostly full of what are not six-wheeled articulated trucks. They are four-wheeled tractor units, temporarily coupled to two-wheel trailers. That is not the same thing. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a six-wheeled articulated truck. It belongs here.
An early articulated rig with a demountable trailer, but only designed to use one type of trailer
This modern truck is a 4-wheeled tractor that today is coupled to a two wheel semi-trailer. But tomorrow it might be pulling a 4-wheeled semi-trailer instead
A six-wheeled tractor unit, hauling a six-wheeled semi-trailer, carrying a six-wheeled dumper
The same tractor unit swapping trailers
With five, eight and five wheels. Why do these belong here?
 Keep
Bonjour à tous.
Bonjour à toi aussi, Andy.
C'est du provisoire, et, si tu avais assez de patience, tu laisserais comme ça en attendant que la suite arrive. Pour l'instant, je répartis entre le rigide et l'articulé (et ai commencé par les 6-roues) afin d'avoir une meilleure visibilité en vue des catégorisations à venir : Six-wheeled semi-trailer tractors with two-wheeled semi-trailers, Four-wheeled semi-trailer tractors with four-wheeled semi-trailers, Six-wheeled semi-trailer tractors with six-wheeled semi-trailers, Six-wheeled straight trucks with six-wheeled drawbar trailers, Five-wheeled semi-trailer tractors with two-wheeled semi-trailers, and so on... En allant à l'extrême, il pourrait y avoir Six-wheeled straight hook lift trucks with six-wheeled drawbar dump trailers, voire Six-wheeled military straight trucks with six-wheeled military drawbar trailers. Mais tout ça, ça prend du temps... Et il y a tellement à faire.
Ou une dénomination plus précise, plus américaine si ça convient mieux à tes exigences.
Au lieu de révoquer à tour de bras ce qui n'est qu'un début de tri, tu peux prendre de l'avance et créer les bonnes catégories, ça ferait plus progresser les choses. Par exemple :
En tout cas, merci pour ton temps, et, promis, dès que je n'en ai plus besoin, je te laisserai apposer le modèle {Speedydelete}.
lol LW² \m/ (Lie ² me...) 22:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mount Olympus, Los Angeles

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Rename to Mt. Olympus, Los Angeles Jengod (talk) 23:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced about this one. I'd generally prefer the full version, but is there any reason to favour the shortened version? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andy Dingley I would 100 percent go with the long version myself except I was there today and the main sign at the entrance and the main street use Mt. Olympus (instead of Mount Olympus), which gave me pause. Jengod (talk) 02:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Category:2023-yildan esdalik suratlar

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I don't understand what are the criteria for images to belong in this category rather than in Category:2023 in Uzbekistan. Jmabel ! talk 01:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of that why don't you ask what the f..k this title means? 186.174.53.196 22:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm supposed to guess that someone not logged in will know?
If you are User:Alpasli and for some reason just made that remark without logging in, then you created a category with no parent categories and no description. Please don't be surprised that someone started an open discussion about that. - Jmabel ! talk 23:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was trying to say that this is nonsense, just delete it. 186.174.53.196 23:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is (pretty much ever) a safe assumption that something in a language I don't read is nonsense. Per Google translate, it's in Uzbek, it seems to be something about photos taken in 2023, and it may have had a specific intended scope. We don't delete coherent categories for being poorly named, we move them, keeping their content together. Why are you so confident there is no selection principle going on here? If you know something, say it instead of just making negative remarks. - Jmabel ! talk 02:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Москва-Кассиопея Отроки во Вселенной

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Category:Москва - Кассиопея Отроки во Вселенной was deleted per Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/02/Category:Москва - Кассиопея Отроки во Вселенной User:Vertar was notified, but did not participate in the discussion. The decision was made to split it out to two separate categories, one for each film. User:Butko carried out the action, I closed the CfD. Vertar then effectively recreated the category as Category:Москва-Кассиопея Отроки во Вселенной (the same as before but without spaces around the dash) and moved the images back. As far as I'm concerned, this is totally unacceptable. Pinging @Butko who a native Russian-speaker and the one whose work this user undid, is probably the best one to take this from here. Jmabel ! talk 04:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vertar: , не хотите обсудить вопрос и пояснить причины почему Вы хотите видеть категоризацию в том виде, к которому снова привели? --Butko (talk) 07:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)--Butko (talk) 07:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Български творци, композитори, поети, музикални педагози, продуценти

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Looks like a Bulgarian-language article disguised as a category. Even if the person in question deserves a category, this is certainly misnamed and at least the bulk of the text here should be deleted. Jmabel ! talk 04:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:School architecture

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This category is basically the same as Category:Educational architecture and creates a redundant layer of categories that doesnt match to any of the other Wikimedia projects -- I also can't find reference to any kind of clear divide between educational and school architecture, suggest merge Sadads (talk) 12:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture of schools for primary and secondary education is markedly different from architecture of tertiary education like colleges and universities. This is so obvious that I will refrain from posting titles of literature underlining this. —Minderbinder (talk) 14:58, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think its as obvious as you think it is: the other wikis don't make this distinction: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q61826372 and quick Google Scholar searches don't seem to be making such firm distinctions: see here and here -- as a field of practice, it seems to be one in the same.Sadads (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Surely you are joking, quoting arbitrary Wikidata structures and random Google searches. Buildings for university contain large lecture halls, lots of offices for professors and administration, and technically intensive labs with lots of pipes, wires and other technical infrastructure. In contrast, school buildings have many small classrooms, very simple technical design and not a whole lot of variation. This difference is so obvious that I will not discuss this any further. —Minderbinder (talk) 16:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Encuentro Iberoamericano de Cementerios Patrimoniales

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How does Category:Encuentro Iberoamericano de Cementerios Patrimoniales differ from Category:Encuentro Iberoamericano de valoración y gestión de Cementerios Patrimoniales? They contain exactly the same images. I'm guessing they should be merged and, in any case, whatever remains needs appropriate parent categories. Jmabel ! talk 21:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably related: Category:Red boliviana de valoración y gestión de espacios funerarios y de culto also needs parent categories, and I bet the same will be true of other related categories. - Jmabel ! talk 21:13, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Si es preferible discutir en español, yo lo entiendo bastante bién. No dudas en usarlo. - Jmabel ! talk 21:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC))[reply]

"No dudes", es subjuntivo. Parece que le gusta discutir... 186.173.117.57 21:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fallen trees on Raillines in the United States

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Certainly should not be capital-R, single word "Raillines". "rail lines"? "railway lines"? "rail tracks"? Something else? Jmabel ! talk 02:39, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel: Two of the images look like railroad tracks and one looks like an actual train. Do you know of a more general category they could fit into? Krok6kola (talk) 04:37, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any of the above would be an improvement; I’ll throw in “railways” for simplicity. I note the parent categories are “rail tracks“ (fallen trees) and “railway lines” (US), but I didn’t look further for a majority usage in those, ahem, trees.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:54, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Odysseus1479: Each of those images were already in categories about hurricane damage in the United States. So I think this particular category is unneeded. Krok6kola (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the category is useful. I could easily imagine someone looking for exactly this, and it would otherwise be hard to find. - Jmabel ! talk 17:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, I'm the creator of this category. I have no idea what was going on. I'll assume I was trying to reduce an overloaded category into subcategories or standardizing category names.
*  Category:Rail tracks blocked by fallen trees or branches is could be a subcategory of Category:Fallen trees in the United States, in which case, 'Fallen trees on Raillines in the United States' is more in line with that categories naming style.
* As to reducing the number of images in a category, none of the categories into which 'Fallen trees on Raillines in the United States' is linked is excessive in it's images.

Category:Coats of arms of families of Poland by name

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Name-related and family-related coats of arms: We need distinct subcategories for these two types coats of arms GerritR (talk) 21:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Polish heraldry seems to be something special: There are coats of arms relateted to families and on the other hand there are coats of arms just related to names (but not to distinct families). These two types should be categorized separatedly.--GerritR (talk) 21:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Historical map collection

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Not everyone checks the category description: This category has an unfortunate ambiguous name, because any old maps (regardless of whether they were scanned in the specific institution of Canada) can be sorted into this category. Please consider renaming, and checking all entries here before moving them. Enyavar (talk) 02:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would "Clara Thomas Archives historical map collection" be a more appropriate name? Omphalographer (talk) 03:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From my perspective: sure. Maybe Kchoenp has another idea, but they active only occasionally. --Enyavar (talk) 09:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Intergovernmental relations

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What's the difference between Intergovernmental relations and International relations? Intergovernmental relations (or "foreign relations") is defined as "politics at the intergovernmental level" in Wikidata, while International relations is defined as the "study of relationships between two or more states", and these two definitions sounds very similar (after all, the states in the international relations are represented by respective governments). Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 13:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that International relations is a broader term than Intergovernmental relations. As I read it, International relations can also be between other people and organizations than governments, see several subcategories of Category:International relations, the Eurovision song contest and world exhibitions, to name a few. JopkeB (talk) 16:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I suppose. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 02:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
relation between oregon state govt and florida state govt is intergovernmental but not international. there's Intergovernmental relations in the United Kingdom for example. RZuo (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, the content of this category needs to be thoroughly checked so that international stuff gets recategorized into the appropriate categories; I just found and re-categorized a few maps that belonged into the Category:Maps of international relations (by country) cat-tree. Best --Enyavar (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is solved and the discussion can be closed. Enyavar, are there any more international stuff in that cat this is not about relations between governments but international relations? If they are international they can be in both categories (see JopkeB's reply). Prototyperspective (talk) 09:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2024 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Similar to this CFD, as the invasion already started in 2022, not in 2024 A1Cafel (talk) 11:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:May 24 Incident

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The category page was created for the riots broke out on 24 May 1957 in Taiwan, which was originally named "1957 Taiwan Riots". However, the user Solomon203 thinks that the 1957 Taiwan Riots is a bad name, so he moved it to the current title of "May 24 Incident". I was able to find clear evidence from Google that the 1957 Taiwan Riots is a widely used title internationally. See: Google search results.--125.230.86.247 14:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So this category should be renamed to Category:1957 Taiwan riots again or to something like Category:24 May 1957 riots in Taiwan. At least "1957", "Taiwan" and "riots"/"incident" should be in the category name, so that it is clear to everybody at a glance what this category is about. JopkeB (talk) 07:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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