User talk:Racconish/Archive10

Upload request

Hi Mr. Racconish..would you please upload these public domain videos? (I'm not sure of the copyright status of the audio)! Some videos contain signs added by users!

• Ben Turpin
  • File:A Blonde's Revenge (1926).webm  Done
  • File:The Jolly Jilter (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Broke in China (1927).webm  Done and nominated for MOTD
  • File:The Pride of Pikeville (1927).webm  Done
• Snub Pollard
  • File:Pollard All Wet (1926).webm  Done
  • File:The Bum's Rush (1926).webm  Done
• Billy Bevan
  • File:The Divorce Dodger (fragment, 1926).webm  Done
  • File:Flirty Four-Flushers (1926).webm  Done
  • File:A Small Town Princess (1927).webm  Done
  • File:The Golf Nut (1927).webm  Done
• Harry Langdon
  • File:Fiddlesticks (1927).webm  Done
  • File:His First Flame (1927).webm  Done
• Other Mack Sennett films
  • File:Smith's Uncle (1926).webm  Done
  • File:Smith's Picnic (1926).webm  Done
  • File:Smith's Pony (1927).webm  Done
  • File:A Dozen Socks (1927).webm  Done
• Joe Rock
  • All Wet (1922, fragment)  Not done (very short fragment)
• Stan Laurel
  • File:Eve's Love Letters (1927).webm  Done
• Oliver Hardy
  • File:Should Men Walk Home (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Why Girls Say No (1927).webm  Done
  • File:No Man's Law (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Fluttering Hearts (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Crazy to Act (1927).webm  Done

Maher27777 (talk) 09:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Maher27777: Will do, slowly. Please be patient. — Racconish ^💬 08:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope to ask you for more!Maher27777 (talk) 19:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

More videos:

• Our Gang:
  • File:Seeing the World (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Baby Brother (1927).webm  Done
• Laurel and Hardy:
  • File:Duck Soup (1927).webm  Done
  • File:With Love and Hisses (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Sugar Daddies (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Sailors Beware (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Call of the Cuckoo (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Do Detectives Think (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Putting Pants on Philip (1927).webm  Done and nominated for MOTD
• Some videos have different versions, you can choose between them, like:
  • File:Slipping Wives (1927).webm  Done
  • File:Love Em and Weep (1927).webm  Done

Maher27777 (talk) 08:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Thankf you very much. I wish to say that while Youtube is the best site to watch videos, Wikimedia projects are the best sites to find them, and know information about them, especially the copyright status. I hope to meet you again, especially at the beginning of every new year.Maher27777 (talk) 09:19, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Racconish ^💬 10:00, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Waltercolor

This seems like an early close to me, as several of these images are still in the limbo of awaiting a response from photographers as to whether they mind Waltercolor making sketches of their work without credit.

I can renominate the seven cases where Waltercolor doesn't mention having asked permission, if that seems the most useful way to proceed, but what do you suggest I do with the six images which are currently awaiting a response from the photographer? {{No permission since}} seems harsh for imposing a seven-day deadline that wasn't there before, and when some users are disagreeing that this permission is even needed. Belbury (talk) 18:29, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I would suggest renominating such a narrower group and more coherent group, yes, and explaining clearly to the uploader on their talk page how to proceed with permeission. — Racconish ^💬 18:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

So one group nomination for "seven images based on photos where photographer permission is pending", and one group nomination for "six images based on photos where Waltercolor hasn't yet stated that they are seeking photographer permission"?

The French Wikiproject already seem a little insulted (understandably if no such copyright exists in France) that the first deletion request was raised at all. It would concern me that restarting both discussions on clean slates could be read as an attempt to ignore their previous input and get a different outcome, but I'll try to summarise their points if you feel this is the best next step.

The uploader seems to be doing fine with obtaining adequate permission, one of the photos had already passed VRT. Belbury (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

It might be useful to look at the related notion of oeuvre composite in French copyright law [1]. — Racconish ^💬 20:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't doubt the existence of such a French law. Perhaps I'm mistaken in believing that files hosted on Commons have to respect US copyright law?

Should Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter#Drawings_based_on_photographs just have an additional clause saying that if an artist based in France makes a drawing closely based on a single copyrighted photograph, that's fine and they can release it as public domain and Commons can host it for free international reuse? This suggestion wasn't raised by anyone in the discussion. Belbury (talk) 08:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

You might also be interested to give a look to the case law related to Jeff Koons' works, e.g. here. — Racconish ^💬 09:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the links, but as the admin who closed the discussion, I'd appreciate your specific instruction on what you think I should do next. Is that:

1. To reopen two separate discussions (which will both be created at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Waltercolor since they are two discussions of files uploaded by that user?) and allow the previous discussion to continue
2. To forget it because there is no legal issue in French artists uploading drawings based on photographs to Commons
3. To take the discussion somewhere else

Belbury (talk) 10:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Should you renominate some of these files, please try to narrow down the nomination to homogeneous situations, particularly in terms of copyright applicable to the original artwork and with respect to the heterogeneity issues raised in the previous discussion. — Racconish ^💬 10:18, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I would renominate the 13 files which Commons has not yet received permission for, and not the 1 which has. The situation for all of them is that they look like a drawing of one specific photo. There's some heterogeneity in Waltercolor's responses (in some cases they concede it was based on a single image and they would seek permission; in others they say it was based on two and haven't mentioned permission), but my nomination would be the same.

Given that this renomination would be made at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Waltercolor in a new section below the first, and refer to 13 of the same 14 files, this really doesn't seem any different to reopening the closed discussion and letting it continue. Belbury (talk) 10:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Again, I suggest you to narrow down an eventual renomination. — Racconish ^💬 10:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

My nomination would be that we have 13 files that may currently fall foul of Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter#Drawings_based_on_photographs for appearing to be largely based on a single photograph, and asking for community input on this. I would be able to summarise that five have had a copyright request made to the photographer (which may or may not be granted), two have been claimed by the artist to be based on two photographs (which may or may not be enough to pass COM:CSM), and that seven have not been neither. I would not include File:Claude Grison.jpg which we now have permission for.

But this is the same summary you can currently see at the top of the closed discussion.

The concern for all the files is the same: they are sketches based on photographs, the community needs to make a call on whether they cross COM:CSM, and the uploader is free to show evidence of the photographer giving permission to bypass this question.

I don't see a benefit in starting a single, new nomination at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Waltercolor, summarising the previous one. I think the previous discussion was progressing usefully, with Waltercolor adding notes and updates to the list at the top as permissions were resolved. Belbury (talk) 11:40, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if I'm required to notify you (it's certainly not intended as a complaint!), but I've requested wider input on what to do next at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Unclear_how_to_proceed_on_a_closed_discussion. Appreciate your time so far, I'm just a bit lost on how to proceed, and am concerned that Waltercolor no longer has a clear place to announce whether or not the photographers have granted permission for derivative sketches. Belbury (talk) 10:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks anyway for the notification. — Racconish ^💬 11:00, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Help

Dear Racconish, Hi. My first experiment in uploading videos looks good, but with two unknown faults! After I’d converted the file from mp4 to webm, then I’ve uploaded it. It’s only two minutes, but the described length is shown as 231 mintues! The file also has no profile image! What’s wrong?! Maher27777 (talk) 08:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done I remuxed it without recoding : ffmpeg -i 'Hotst Totsy, fragment (1925).webm' -map 0 -codec copy -copy_unknown output.webm. Hard to tell you what went wrong. — Racconish ^💬 10:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks..All I wanted to save you, and some other users some of the uploading's burden. Maher27777 (talk) 15:12, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

File:Schatten - Eine nächtliche Halluzination (1923).webm

File:Schatten - Eine nächtliche Halluzination (1923).webm has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Prosfilaes (talk) 18:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Sources Studio Harcourt (et autres) d'avant 1954

Bonjour Racconish, Je vous (te ?) croise parfois sur fr.wikipedia.org, avec plaisir. Je me demande si, sur le principe du versement de certaines photos du fonds https://www.photo.rmn.fr datant d'avant 1954 (70 ans), il est admissible d'en ajouter sur Commons, conformément aux mêmes règles de droits “semi-libérés" déjà publiées.

Ainsi, par exemple, si ce n'est pas déjà fait : De Funès, 1952 https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/08-500597-2C6NU0JD96GB.html Michel Serrault 1953 https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/07-519657-2C6NU0CMVTCA.html Paul Meurisse 1953 https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/07-535643-2C6NU0JB60RO.html Robert Dalban 1948 https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/08-537883-2C6NU0TT4H7E.html etc...

Bonne fin de dimanche et à bientôt ici ou là. ;) Tisourcier (talk) 16:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Tisourcier, les photos du Studio Harcourt s'analysant comme des oeuvres collectives, elles tombent dans le domaine public 70 ans après l'année civile de publication. Ainsi, au 1er janvier 2023 sont tombées dans le domaine public celles publiées avant le 31 décembre 1952. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 16:49, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

CQFD. Un grand merci ! Tisourcier (talk) 17:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Demande d'aide pour validation question de droits PD-France (Studio Harcourt)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tisourcier#c-Snowmanonahoe-20230327203700-File%3ANoiret-1951-Harcourt.jpg

Bonjour Racconish, Malheureusement, mes derniers imports sont sous le feu de certains ici. Pourrais-tu aider à confirmer le statut valable de ces droits ? Un grand merci ! Tisourcier (talk) 20:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Tisourcier, j'ai vu cette demande de suppression après son retrait. N'hésite pas à me faire signe en cas de difficultés persistantes. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 09:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Encore merci. Comme pour PD-Italy, cela bloque certains parfois. Bonne journée ! Tisourcier (talk) 09:52, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

File:Night of the Ghouls (1959).webm

File:Night of the Ghouls (1959).webm has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Charleroi Habitation du Dr Mattot 02.jpg

Bonsoir,

L'utilisateur qui a téléversé l'image était débutant. Et donc le choix de licence est probablement incorrecte.

Mais j'ai fais toutes les recherches nécessaires, y compris auprès du Musée de la photographie à Charleroi et des archives de la ville de Charleroi. L'auteur de la photo "disparait" après 1939. Aucune trace. Aucune publication après. Rien.

Mais pas non plus un acte de décès. Enfin rien.

Qua fait-on dans ce cas ?

Cordialement. H₂O^(talk) 21:09, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jmh2o: Commons n'accepte pas les œuvres orphelines mais applique {{FoP-Belgium}} et {{De minimis}}. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 05:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Quelle solution y a-t-il pour cette photo là ? --H₂O^(talk) 06:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Selon moi aucune, un recadrage sur des éléments strictement architecturaux ayant peu d'intérêt, d'où ma proposition de suppression. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 06:26, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Tant pis. --H₂O^(talk) 06:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Source of derivative work is not properly indicated: File:Olivier Véran en campagne (27 mai 2022).jpg

Bonjour, Je suis d'accord pour faire retirer cette photo (pour des raisons d'utilisation sur un site politique) même si le principe me semble bien tiré par les cheveux puisqu'il s'agit d'une image publique qui n'est pas le thème central de la photo. Jean-Paul Corlin (talk) 08:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jean-Paul Corlin: le problème que j'ai signalé est que cette image en reproduit une autre, l'affiche, qui n'est pas libre de droit. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 08:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Photographer's Barnstar
	For all your work finding public domain film transfers Victorgrigas (talk) 00:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Victorgrigas, it is very appreciated. — Racconish ^💬 06:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Encore des interventions pour suppressions non fondées (PD Italy)

Depuis quelques minutes, je fais l'objet d'interventions plus ou moins inopinées de la part de l'IP 81.41.175.237. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.41.175.237

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DeFunes-Dynam-1965-Italie.jpg

Cela porte tout particulièrement sur des fichiers sous PD-Italy. Il semble que l'intéressé ne soit pas vraiment au courant de ce statut très particulier. Si tu veux bien intervenir comme tu me l'avais proposé ? Bien cordialement. ;) Tisourcier (talk) 14:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello ! Merci pour l'intervention. ;) Ca se passe au bistro maintenant. On pourrait penser que cette IP a un comportement assez contreproductif pour l'encyclopédie.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bistro#Abus_de_speed_deleting Tisourcier (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour Racconish,

J'espère que tout roule pour toi. ;)

Une nouvelle fois, certains ici me demandent des comptes sur mes imports et désormais, sur les outils Photoshop que j'utilise, pour coloriser ou corriger les images.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tisourcier

Je suis perplexe : est-il formellement interdit d'utiliser tout ou partie des outils de retouche numérique (y compris certains exploitant l'A.I.) de Photoshop dès lors que des mentions sont clairement spécifiées ? Ou bien quelles sont les "limites" à ne pas dépasser en la matière ?

C'est important car bientôt, il est certain que l'A.I. va débouler en avalanche et je ne suis pas certain qu'il sera facile de le détecter si ceux qui les emploient ne déclarent par comme moi en toute transparence, les outils qu'ils ont utilisés.

Après, la question éthique de la retouche peut se poser : doit-on coloriser, doit-on nettoyer ou restaurer numériquement une photo ou un film, doit-on utiliser l'A.I., etc...

Dans l'idéal, il faudrait avoir une codification claire et précise de ce que Commons admet ou pas, ce qui permettrait de s'en référer (comme c'est le cas avec PD-Italy pour les droits).

Encore merci pour ton conseil et ton (gros) travail ici. ;)

Bonne après-midi. Tisourcier (talk) 13:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour Racconish et Tisourcier,

Je pense également que Commons devrait avoir une page similaire à w:fr:Wikipédia:Traitement des illustrations#La restauration d'images par une intelligence artificielle.

D'après les archives de discussions sur Commons : [2][3][4][5], le consensus actuel est que les retouches avec l'IA doivent être clairement indiqués, mentionner quel outil a été utilisé et si possible importer la retouche dans un nouveau fichier.

Je suis en train de réfléchir à la création d'un modèle. Thibaut (talk) 14:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Thibaut. Merci. Je suis d'accord pour une codification (j'en ai relayé le principe sur les Bistros). ;) Tisourcier (talk) 15:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tisourcier: , le principe général de Commons est d'une part d'avoir la meilleure version possible d'un fichier sans modification, ce qui signifie généralement dans la plus grande résolution possible, et de télécharger séparément les retouches ou corrections. Le modèle approprié est {{Retouched image}} (voir par ailleurs les autres modèles indiqués sur cette dernière page). Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 15:27, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Merci Racconish. Si j'ai bien compris, il est indispensable que le fichier d'origine avant correction soit versé dans Commons. Si la photo d'orgine est abîmée, mal développée, mal reproduite ou mal scannée, chacun se fera son opinion sur la version retouchée. C'est très rationnel. Bon courage pour tout le travail effectué ici et ailleurs... ;) Tisourcier (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Oui, c'est ça. Si tu veux dorer les pâquerettes, tu peux lier les fichiers et mettre dans le domaine public tes retouches sur la version corrigée. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 15:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour Racconish,

Ca recommence. Suite à une discussion ici : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/7_juillet_2023#Qui_retouche_cette_image_?

Yann a supprimé sans aucune discussion ni recours, ce fichier alors qu'il relève bien du PD-Italy mais qu'il est diffusé sur Getty Images :

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Serraul-Italie-1984.png

C'est pénible de devoir à chaque fois recommencer. Quant à l'aspect esthétique de la retouche (surtout manuelle) que j'ai fait sur ce fichier, je peux comprendre mais pourquoi réintroduire à la place, une mauvraise photo de l'artiste où il apparait à la fin de sa vie pas au mieux de sa forme ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Serrault

Si on commence à retirer tous les fichiers PD-Italie sous prétexte qu'ils sont recadrés, retouchés, colorisés, etc... On va affecter considérablement les illustrations sur WP.

Merci de ton aide. ;) Tisourcier (talk) 14:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Yann parlant français et étant de contact facile, je te suggère de lui en parler directement. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 14:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Merci, j'ai posé un recours et je l'ai interrogé sur sa pdd.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests Tisourcier (talk) 14:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:OLAVO de CARVALHO anuncia Novo Regime Militar no Brasil..webm

Yours sincerely, RodRabelo7 (talk) 06:47, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

PD-Italy

Ca prend des proportions pénibles sur le Bistro. Si tu veux bien intervenir pour confirmer ? Un grand merci. ;)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/7_juillet_2023#Qui_retouche_cette_image_? Tisourcier (talk) 15:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Tisourcier, toutes mes excuses, j'ai été assez pris par aileurs. J'espère que la discussion communautaire que tu as suscitée t'a été utile. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 13:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour cher Racconish,

C'est moi qui m'excuse de t'avoir ennuyé avec mes soucis. Certains (cf ma pdd) continuent d'interpréter les critères PD-Italy et il faut à chaque fois un trésor de diplomatie pour empêcher les interventions plus ou moins musclées. ;)

À l'occasion, il serait bon de publier une recommandation en français pour l'application du PD-Italy avec des exemples précis et rendre bien plus compréhensible, cette règle sur Commons et sur le WP francophone. La pédagogie est nécessaire pour limiter les suppressions inopinées par des contributeurs sincèrement convaincus de leur droit. Bonne fête nationale et surtout passe un bel été (bien au frais, si possible). Tisourcier (talk) 15:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Peut-être pourrais-tu en parler à un spécialiste du sujet comme Ruthven. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 12:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour,

c'est vrai qu¡en des années de discussions et de lecture de décisions de tribunaux, je me suis fait une assez bonne idée de ce qu'est une "photographie simple". Mais je ne suis pas le seul: un bon nombre de contributeurs, surtout italiens, s'en est fait une idée assez précise. On peut toujours faire une page d'exemples si nécessaire, mais généralement c'est comme pour la loi suisse (qui est semblable): les photos de type "reportage" sont en général des représentations de la société et des événements, mais sans caractère créatif. --Ruthven (msg) 14:23, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bistro#PD-ID-France

Bonjour, cher Racconish,

J'espère que tu passes un bel été (au frais, surtout) !

Si tu as un moment, pourrais-tu jeter un oeil sur la question que j'ai posée au bistro ? Cela concerne les photos d'identité en France et leur utilisation sur WP.

Bonne fin de journée Tisourcier (talk) 17:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

File:Pantry Panic (1941).webm

File:Pantry Panic (1941).webm has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Nosferattus (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Petit aide

Bonjour, bien cher Racconish, comment va tu? Moi ça va.

Je te demande la gentilesse d'un petit aide sul la photo de Gaia Zucchi. Je l'ai prise à elle avec son Google Pixel 6 mais les Metadata ne se voyent pas. Poutquoi. Peux-tu m'aider, s'il te plait? Grazie mille et à bientôt. Rei Momo (talk) 06:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rei Momo: les données exif ont été supprimées, je ne conais pas de moyen de les restaurer. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 08:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Heidegger 1 (1960).jpg

And also:

• File:Heidegger 2 (1960).jpg
• File:Heidegger 3 (1960).jpg
• File:Heidegger 4 (1960) cropped.jpg
• File:Heidegger 4 (1960).jpg

Yours sincerely, Adamant1 (talk) 09:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Bonne rentrée ?

Bonjour cher Racconish,

J'espère que ta rentrée se déroule bien et que tu es en forme.

Un contributeur "zélé" n'a pas pris le temps d'échanger avec moi au sujet du principe des PD-ID-France et a déposé une demande de suppression :

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Identite-Pomme-2012-Sacem.jpg

Ce fichier est pourtant bie publié comme une "photo d'identité" par la Sacem sur son site d'archives publiques.

PD-ID-France est pourtant très précis : Ce fichier est inéligible aux droits d'auteur et est en conséquence dans le domaine public

Le fait que la photo soit ratée, floue, mal cadrée ou non conforme à la règlementation 2023 des papiers d'identité ne peut être invoqué, surtout qu'il s'agit d'une photo d'identité Sacem.

Si tu veux bien retirer cette demande de suppression comme le suggère l'intéressé dans son passage N° 1) ? Merci. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TwoWings#c-TwoWings-20230926071000-Tisourcier-20230925164200

Excellente journée à toi. ;) Tisourcier (talk) 08:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Juste un salut amical et un joyeux merci ! Tisourcier (talk) 13:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello Racconish,

Juste pour validation et ton avis sur cet import : la photo de tournage a été prise à Milan à l'été 1964. Ce doit être conforme ?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tournage-Italie-Corniaud-1964.png

Merci pour ton aide précieuse.

Bonne continueation.  ;) Tisourcier (talk) 17:01, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, il me semble que cela dépend de la date et du lieu de publication. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 17:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:FrancoiseHardy-1967-Venise-ReportagePhoto.png

Hello cher Racconish,

Pourrais-tu confirmer à ton collègue et admin https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Túrelio Que cette photo est conforme aux règles PD-Italy ?

Un grand merci. ;)

Belle journée à toi. Tisourcier (talk) 13:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Je lui ai communiqué cet exemple de discussion/validation :

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Louis_de_Fun%C3%A8s_%E2%80%94_L%27Homme_orchestre_(1970).jpg Tisourcier (talk) 13:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Licence openedition

Hello Raccoon, j'espère que tu vas bien.

Je viens vers toi concernant un certain nombre d'illustrations que j'ai récemment importé. Elles se trouvent sous la licence openedition. Je voudrais être sûr de mon coup, car j'ai un léger doute : selon toi cette licence est-elle bien valide en équivalence 4.0 CC Commons ? Bien à toi, Ruyblas13 (talk) 08:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour Ruyblas13, je comprends que tu te grattes la tête, le sujet n'étant pas clair. Il me semble en tout cas qu'il ne s'agit pas d'une licence CC-BY-SA ni d'une licence CC-BY en l'absence d'une mention explicite. Le site d'OpenEdition dit que la licence par défaut du site est CC-BY-NC-ND, qui n'est pas acceptable sur Commons en raison des contraintes NC et ND, sauf en cas de licence explicite OpenEdition Books. Je n'ai pas trouvé d'explication claire des termes de cette licence, sauf la référence à l'exception pour copie privée qui à mon sens n'est pas suffisante pour Commons, n'autorisant pas explicitement l'usage commercial (NC) et les dérivations (ND). En outre, l'exception de copie privée a en principe pour contrepartie la rémunération de cette copie. Mais tout cela est dit de manière si lapidaire qu'il serait utile de demander d'autres avis sur Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 10:13, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, Raccoon, je te remercie pour ton analyse des droits (et non-droits) d'openedition. J'irais évoquer ce problème et ce manque de clarté des tenants et aboutissants de cette licence sur la page que tu m'as indiqué. Bien à toi, Ruyblas13 (talk) 10:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

P.S. : peut-être y a t-il eu des précédents imports sous cette licence pouvant éventuellement faire jurisprudence quant à utilisation ? Ruyblas13 (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Voir Open Access... qui n'apporte pas vraiment de réponse claire selon moi. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 11:48, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Ouaip, je l'avais déjà vu... et oui, rien à y prendre de probant ou substantiel. Ruyblas13 (talk) 12:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

File:The Lost World (1925).webm

File:The Lost World (1925).webm has been marked as a possible copyright violation. Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content—that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, for any purpose. Traditional copyright law does not grant these freedoms, and unless noted otherwise, everything you find on the web is copyrighted and not permitted here. For details on what is acceptable, please read Commons:Licensing. You may also find Commons:Copyright rules useful, or you can ask questions about Commons policies at the Commons:Help desk. If you are the copyright holder and the creator of the file, please read Commons:But it's my own work! for tips on how to provide evidence of that. The file you added may soon be deleted. If you have written permission from the copyright holder, please replace the copyvio tag with {{subst:OP}} and have them send us a free license release via COM:VRT. If you disagree that the file is a copyright violation for any other reason, please replace the copyvio tag with a regular deletion request. This file is a copyright violation for the following reason: New elements in this restoration as well as its entire soundtrack are copyright 2016 Warning: Wikimedia Commons takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

 

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File:The Lost World (1925).webm

File:The Lost World (1925).webm has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Mark Twain at Stormfield

Hello there. I've been working to categorize media related to Mark Twain, which has proven to be quite a task. Yesterday I created a category for Edison's 1909 film Mark Twain at Stormfield. I've gone through the videos you uploaded, and became frustrated that I couldn't identify the young man who brings a hat to one of Twain's daughters. A search for some information about that led me to this page at Britannica. This is a far better copy of the film — more complete and at the correct speed. (It also appears that the YouTube film is backwards; I'm going to check for the placement of Twain's jacket pocket or some other clue confirming that.) Since the caption reads "Public domain video", is there a way you can get that print of the film somewhere and upload it here? Thanks so much for your help, once again. — WFinch (talk) 18:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

WFinch, done : File:Mark Twain at Stormfield (1909).webm. — Racconish ^💬 21:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Photos en violation de copyright

Bonjour Racconish, j'ai détecté des photos qui me semblent en violation des licences :

• File:Nasser Bourita.jpg versus issafrica.org ;
• File:Ministry of foreign affairs morocco.jpg versus diplomatie.ma, site sur lequel se trouvent de nombreuses autres occurrences (mentions légales) ;
• File:M. Abdelouafi Laftit.jpg, dont je n'ai pas réussi à identifier la source originelle.

Comme je n'ai pas trop compris la procédure à suivre dans un tel cas, pouvez-vous faire le nécessaire ou faire suivre à qui de droit ?

Il faudrait aussi vérifier File:Ryanair Destinations.png qui paraît dérivé de File:European countries in which ryainar operates2.svg, sans que cela soit mentionné.

N.B. : tous ces fichiers, avec File:Akhanouch.jpg proposé à la suppression depuis le 4 novembre 2023, émanent d'un seul contributeur qui œuvrerait sous IP sur frwiki (cf. 105.71.18.35 et 105.67.135.60).

Cordialement. Ciseleur (talk) 16:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

En poursuivant avec 105.67.135.60, j'ai trouvé un autre contributeur. --Ciseleur (talk) 16:29, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ciseleur:  Done merci. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 11:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Une étude comparative de 2023

Bonjour Racconish, j'espère que tu vas bien.

Comme tu contribues régulièrement dans Commons, où tu es admin, j'ai pensé que tu pouvais éventuellement être intéressé par cette étude récente centrée sur les arts visuels dans Wikipédia, avec quelques comparaisons entre Wikipédia, Wikimedia Commons et Wikidata : Waqās Ahmed et Martin Lewis Poulter, « Representation of Non-Western Cultural Knowledge on Wikipedia: The Case of the Visual Arts », Digital Studies / Le champ numérique, vol. 13, no 1,‎ 9 janvier 2023 , lire en ligne. Mais peut-être la connaissais-tu déjà, elle date de janvier. Bonne soirée JMGuyon (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

@JMGuyon: , je ne connaissais pas cette intéressante étude et je te remercie de me l'avoir indiquée. Pour ma part, je m'occupe en particulier de téléverser des films de tous pays et il me semble qu'il y a à la base un déséquilibre dans la quantité de films disponibles sur internet, amplifié par une difficulté d'accès liée à la langue. Bonne soirée à toi aussi. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 17:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Racconish j'ignorais que tu t'occupais particulièrement de films ; bien entendu je ne parlais pas pour toi, j'ai le souvenir de merveilleux articles, extrêmement diversifiés d'un point de vue géographique, que tu as rédigés, et je ne doute pas du fait que tes intérêts soient très variés. Merci pour ton analyse ; m'étonne un peu le biais géographique plus marqué dans Commons que Wikipédia, alors que ce devrait être l'inverse, dans la mesure où la barrière de la langue joue davantage dans wp (obligation de rédiger, sourcer). Mais comme tu dis il y a moins de films non-occidentaux sur internet, sans doute aussi moins de photos d'art ; il faudrait voir s'il y a moins de photos en général dans les pays du sud, malgré les iphones. Bien cordialement--JMGuyon (talk) 17:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

File:The King of Kings (1927).webm

Good morning.

I wanted to upload a new version of the file mentioned in the title from this source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQyi2evHclc&ab_channel=EpicEarth via video2commons. Due to the higher file quality and the fact that it is a restored version of the film from the recent Lobster Films Blu Ray release. However, I get an error DownloadError: b"ERROR: Unable to download video subtitles for 'live_chat': Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)"

Knowing that you upload silent films and have greater competences, could you upload a new version of "The King of Kings" from the source I provided?

Regards. OGPawlis (talk) 19:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@OGPawlis:  Done. — Racconish ^💬 07:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

File:Manos The Hands of Fate 1966.ogv

I find a higher resolution of "Manos: The Hands of Fate", after restoration - [6] Can you uploaded higher resolution of "Manos: Hands of Fate"? 37.47.170.209 22:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

This is tricky. I will raise first a community discussion on the copyright status. — Racconish ^💬 07:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Problèmes avec les dernières images ajoutées

Bonjour,

J'ai reçu une alerte sur ma page de discussion concernant les fichiers que j'ai importé dans commons dernièrement. Or, ces fichiers concernent les œuvres de deux artistes (Théodore Didier Delamarre mort en 1889 et Alexandre Casati mort en 1846) dont les droits sur leurs œuvres ne peuvent plus être enfreints. Pourriez-vous m'aider à résoudre ce problème et permettre de conserver ces fichiers dans commons ? Merci d'avance de votre aide. - Evynrhud (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Evynrhud: j'avais fait une erreur de typographie en écrivant Pd au lieu de PD, mais le problème est désormais réglé et je pense qu'il n'y a rien de plus à faire. S'il y avait encore un problème, fais moi signe. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 20:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, merci ! - Evynrhud (talk) 20:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

File:Greed (1924).webm

I find a higher resolution of Greed (1924) - [7] Can you uploaded new version of "Greed (1924).webm"? 2A00:F41:385C:7EB2:8024:F9EC:C6D7:1FB 19:27, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The file is indeed too large, so phab:T353222. Yann (talk) 08:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

The YouTube upload is an upscaled version of the fanmade reconstruction i created and uploaded to the Internet Archive back in 2016. It was assembled, alongside footage from the 1999 reconstrucion of the original cut (already uploaded in Commons by a third party), in SD so to keep the quality of the VHS main source, which is the one the current upload uses. Despite being in the public domain, my contributions tend to be omitted. If the file were to be superseded by my reconstruction, it would be nice to be credited at least in this site for once. Mayimbú (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Mayimbú, not sure I understand your point, but please feel free to correct source or credits if appropriate. — Racconish ^💬 09:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

File:The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939) by William Dieterle.webm

Bonjour, J'ai réussi à importer ce film en faisant la conversion moi-même. L'original fait 5 Go, et cette version seulement 428 Mo, ce qui me semble peu. Penses-tu que la qualité est moins bonne que l'original ? Cordialement, Yann (talk) 07:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Il y a eu en effet une forte compression. L'original fait 6222 kbps et ton import, 513 kbps. Cordialement, — Racconish ^💬 07:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

À nouveau des requêtes pour suppression

Bonjour cher Racconish,

Comme déjà par le passé, un contributeur veut supprimer des photos que j'ai importées en interprétant les règlementations. Si tu veux bien m'aider sur ces cas :

Le Corniaud (photo prise en Italie lors du tournage). Cas similaire de PD-Italy à celui de la photo avec de Funès et Jacques Dynam à Rome. Ces photos font partie des éléments de promotion du film en France et à l'international à sa sortie. L'argument porte sur la notion de "première publication" qui ne figure pas dans la loi italienne et non de "première création" qui y figure :

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Le_Corniaud

Pour les autres fichiers, je suis moins catégorique, je suis moins calé que pour le PD-Italy. Je vais donc accepter leur suppression.

Si tu pouvais m'aiderà étayer les arguments, ce serait sympa. ;)

Bien à toi. Tisourcier (talk) 11:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

File:Pather Panchali (1955).webm

File:Pather Panchali (1955).webm has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

File:The Unknown (1927).webm

A new restoration of the film by the George Eastman Museum, with funding from a NFPF program aimed at films who have recenetly entered the public domain, was recently uploaded to YouTube. It contains some of the missing scenes and all the intertitles are reconstructed from the "original cutting continuity" despite having a GEM/2022 watermark.

I was thinking on uploading it as a separate file since yours got featured on MOTD early in the year, but dunno if it should be trimmed right from the MGM logo or from the introductory titles to the reconstruction, thus crediting both the NFPF and the GEM (for which the watermark is owed). Mayimbú (talk) 06:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Mayimbú, uploading separately is appropriate if the copy is different (which seems to be the case since the length is different). I think the introduction is copyrighted and should be cut out, regardless of any credits in the file description. Cheers, — Racconish ^💬 07:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Was checking in the copyright records if there was some registred copies of The Unknown. Before giving up, i looked in the back cover of the Blu-ray from which the restoration comes from and it reads: "The Unknown 2022 restoration under exclusive license from the George Eastman Museum. All rights reserved." Guess i have to keep the downloaded copy to myself. Mayimbú (talk) 05:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Mayimbú, I beg to differ. Granted there are some new elements that justify copyright protection, such as music and extras, but we are only concerned here with the filmed sequences and the intertitles. The filmed part is clearly a mechanical restoration based on a French ans Czech prints, and not a creation. The new intertitles are "created" using the original cutting continuity, which is a listing of every scene/title in a film that had been used used by the original editors. IMO the latter process is not creative/original enough to justify copyright protection. — Racconish ^💬 09:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

File:Steamboat Willie (1928) by Walt Disney.webm

Hi, I'm trying to understand what changes you made, your version has a resolution of 1,296 × 1,072, which is lower than @Yann's 1,920 × 1,080 version (and what I see when downloading from video.disney.com). Legoktm (talk) 17:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I cropped out the black sides. — Racconish ^💬 19:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense. Could you overwrite it with this version? It's the same crop to remove the black borders, but it keeps the 1080p resolution, as otherwise MediaWiki will serve everyone 720p copies. Thanks! Legoktm (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Also pinging @Yann :) Legoktm (talk) 20:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

It seems to me your version has the black borders and in any case I suggest we should wait until the server will have handled the heavier versions. — Racconish ^💬 20:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Huh? It's the same crop as yours, a width of 1,296. Maybe your client is adding the borders (e.g. VLC does)? I don't know what you mean by "I suggest we should wait until the server will have handled the heavier versions" given that when a new version is uploaded it has to redo the transcodes from scratch. Legoktm (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Here's a snapshot from my version, no black borders on the side. Legoktm (talk) 20:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

This is 1,296 × 1,080. I don't see how you could get anything bigger from Disney. Yann (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Yann: to clarify, you uploaded a 1920x1080 version, and then Racoonish cropped it down to 1296x1072. I took your original version and redid the horizontal crop, but kept the same vertical height to get 1296x1080, which is what I'm asking for to be uploaded. Legoktm (talk) 21:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done. — Racconish ^💬 21:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!! (on my phone) Legosock (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)