User talk:NordNordWest/Archive

English: Welcome to the Commons, Titus Groan!

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Karte Braunschweig

Hallo Titus, ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass auf deiner schönen Karte braunschweigische und nicht-braunschweigische Enklaven Preußens besser auseinanderzuhalten sind, wenn du alle Territorien, die weder braunschweigisch noch preußisch waren, genauso sandfarben darstellst wie Lippe Detmold. Gruß von Ulamm 11:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Das ist wahrscheinlich so. Der deutsche Staatenflickenteppich wird allerdings anschaulicher, wenn jeder Staat seine eigene Farbe bekommt, auch wenn man dann vielleicht etwas länger gucken muss, was zu wem gehört. Und für Leute mit Rot-Grün-Schwäche habe ich ja auch noch Wolfsangeln eingetragen, die die Staatsgebiete zusammenhalten. Gruß, --Titus Groan 12:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Gotenkrieg

Hallo Titus Groan, (I'll speak English instead of German, since my German isn't what it used to be) I just completed my Dutch article on the Gothic War and I used your awesome map in it. However I'd like to translate the map to Dutch but I can't find a blank version. Could you perhaps upload it? Or upload the whole file somewhere as .psd, .svg, whatever so I can edit it easily?
I was also wondering how you made the map. I'd like to create some maps in the future and although I have some knowledge about the whole process, I have totally no idea how you made yours, it looks so great and professional!
Hope to hear from you soon and thank you very much, Stuntelaar 12:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Stuntelaar!

Nice to hear that you like this map. I'm indeed a professional cartographer. The map was made in FreeHand and finished in Photoshop and right now there is no editable file that I could upload. One problem is that the fonts I used aren't free fonts cos most free fonts seem ugly or useless to me. I think I could upload a .psd with different fonts but then the map will look different. So you can choose: a different look or you send me the translated names and descriptions, I will put them into the map and upload a Dutch version. First version will take a while cos I'm quite busy right now, second version can be done quicker for it is easier to be done for me. --Titus Groan 15:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

As I just read here it isn't possible to upload .psd. So the only way right now for us is the second version: Send me the translation and I'll put it in. Sorry. --Titus Groan 15:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Here's the list:

Reich der Franken -> Frankische Rijk
Reich der Ostgoten -> Koninkrijk der Ostrogoten
Oströmisches Reich -> Byzantijnse Rijk
Residenzstadt -> Hoofdstad
oströmischer Feldzug (Erster Gotenkrieg) -> Byzantijnse veldtocht (eerste Gotische oorlog)
ostgotischer Feldzug -> Ostrogotische veldtocht
fränkischer Feldzug -> Frankische veldtocht
oströmischer Feldzug (Zweiter Gotenkrieg) -> Byzantijnse veldtocht (tweede Gotische oorlog)
bedeutende Schlacht -> Belangrijke veldslag
Jahr der Einnahme/des Sieges in der Farbe des Siegers -> Jaar van inname/in de kleur van de overwinnaar
Carthago (Karthago) -> Carthago (Carthago)
Rhegium (Reggio) -> Rhegium (Reggio Calabria)
Neapolis (Neapel) -> Neapolis (Napels)
Roma (Rom) -> Roma (Rome)
Mediolanum (Mailand) -> Mediolanum (Milaan)
Korsika -> Corsica
Sizilien -> Sicilië
ö.L. -> O.L.
n.Br. -> N.B.
Reich der Gepiden -> Koninkrijk der Gepiden
Ligurisches Meer -> Ligurische Zee
Adriatisches Meer -> Adriatische Zee
Tyrrhenisches Meer -> Tyrreense Zee
Mittelmeer -> Middellanse Zee
Belisar -> Belisarius
Illyrien -> Illyrië
Stuntelaar 14:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I uploaded a Dutch version of the map (and also in the Dutch article). Would it be better to write

„K  o  n  i  n  k  r  ij  k“ 

instead of

„K  o  n  i  n  k  r  i  j  k“ 

? --Titus Groan 07:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The way it is now, is great. Sometimes the "ij" is considered one letter, sometimes two. When it's the first letter in a sentence you use: IJdelheid instead of Ijdelheid, but in this case the space between the i and j should be there. Also could be please change Sizilië tot Sicilië. You forgot to change the z into a c. Anyway, thank you very much, it looks awesome!

Take care, Stuntelaar 14:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Map is corrected. But to be honest: Sicily without a „z“ is something lacking. ;-) --Titus Groan 16:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

SVG

Hi Titus. I was wondering if you could upload your maps as a SVG-format? Tranlating would be this way much easier to do. Thanks. --QWerk 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not possible for me to upload all maps as a SVG. As I said in the discussion above I usually use non-free fonts because most free fonts are a bad choice for a map (my opinion). On the other hand a lot of maps get their last editing in Photoshop so it's an image in the end if I want to have a special look. And concluding I often see badly done translations. Translating ist not just transferring names from one language into another, it's often necessary to change the font size or the distance between the letters („Italy“ is much shorter than the Hungarian „Olaszország“) and afterwards the location of the translated name in the map. Most translaters here in WP don't seem to have the knowledge about cartography or the possibility to react to these problems. Inkscape doesn't have the functionality of a professional software. So in the end I prefer a more professional looking map to an easily translatable one even if that means that there will be less maps. I'll provide SVG when I think it's okay and otherwise I would prefer the way Stuntelaar and me took with the map of the Gothic war (as long as it's written with Latin or Cyrillic letters) when it's a graphically more complex map. Usually it's not necessary to tell me every geographical name, I get it via interwiki, I just forgot to tell him. It's only necessary to translate the legend and descriptions. I don't even think that it will be more complicated to do. This way the translater doesn't have to detect what's the inner structure of the file (layers and so on).

So this opinion might be disliked by many Wikipedians (everything has to be free and editable) but for me it's the better way to be insured that what I think quality is is maintained. Greetings, --Titus Groan 10:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Merci pour la carte

Danke für die Karte "Image:Rhone bassin versant.png" in Wikimedia Commons. I used your map for "Image:Côtes du Vivarais - vallée du Rhône .jpg". Cf. [1]. Merci. PRA 07:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Bravo ! Your new map is perfect, more detailed and more beautiful than mine. It's a professionnal work ! Thank you. I change immediately the map in my article. Prosit ! (avec ou sans « Côtes du Vivarais ») ! PRA 06:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

If it's also white wine I'll join! --Titus Groan 07:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Possible but not easy : only 4% of "Côtes du Vivarais" are white wines.To a next time on Commons.Salut. PRA

Danke

Thank you for the Aral Sea map, it looks great! Kmusser 12:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Perhaps I'll have the time to upload an English version next month. I'm quite busy now. --Titus Groan 18:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

In 2008 Aral Sea is even smaller

Very nice map, but Daily Planet brings us much less water area of Aral Sea. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 10:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

So in the beginning of 2008 Aral Sea was bigger than today. Not very surprising. I'm not updating my maps every month. --NNW (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Dry summer! But differences are very significant. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is fresh image (5 Oct 2008) of Aral Sea. May be it will be useful in future .Bogomolov.PL (talk) 12:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

"Blank" map

Hallo NNW, wie stehen denn die Chancen, dass du eine "blank" version deiner Karten anderen Nutzern zur Verfügung stellst, damit diese dann daraus neue Versionen basteln können? Ich wäre besonders an einer Terrain-Karte West-Mitteleuropas interessiert, in etwa die Abmessungen des Frankenreichs unter Karl dem Großen... Ich weiß dass das viel verlangt ist, aber es würde die Zahl (und Qualität) der verfügbaren Karten drastisch erhöhen... Einfach nur das Terrain (und vielleicht noch die Flüsse), keine Grenzen, keine Städte...

Hallo ComradeMicha (bitte Unterschrift nicht vergessen)! Welche Karte meinst du? Ich habe keine Karte von West-Mitteleuropa gemacht. --NordNordWest 10:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Your work and the proposition of map standardization

Hello NordNordWest.
Just a comment about your work in relation with the discussion on cartographic standards. I noticed your very nice map Image:Deutschland_Landschaften.png and saw you used a color scheme very close to the one of the WP-fr convention (which is close to the proposition I made for the physical maps on Commons). I'd like to point out that this example illustrates well our previous comments about the purpose of the template: there are some changes (color of the rivers, font-type used) but the general style is maintained and the harmony kept. That's the important in my mind.
Some additional comments about this specific map: you didn't indicate grid lines. I think that's strange as imo physical maps take particularly advantage of this kind of information. About the color of the high elevations: there's little difference between these (~3 000m) and the color of those at ~700m so it's difficult to see without reading the labels that there's a great difference of altitudes between both. The impression given is that the extreme South seems almost as flat as the center of the country, that's why I propose darker colors for the highest elevations which give a better contrast, even if it might look like less realistic, but these are made for relief maps, not for land-cover ones. You made your map in PNG format, ok it's your choice, but for translation purpose can you also provide a blank version with its link in this description page ?
Great work! Greetings. Sting (talk) 14:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! This map has been a cooperation between Lencer and me. He made the shading and I did the rest. So I cannot say much about the colours. There is no grid in the map because I heard a lot negative comments about it and decided not to show it. I agree with you that it should be shown in maps but many users seem to be irritated by it (I don't know why). In the end I just wanted to end the discussions and deleted it. A SVG version of that map is a problem because I had to use an extra condensed font (no freeware). Otherwise it would have been impossible to name all landscapes. Arial isn't condensed enough or I had to change the size to 2 or 3p but then no one can read it anymore. I have no solution for this problem. A blank version of that map will be uploaded when there are no more comments to the map in Kartenwerkstatt, so I don't have to correct twice. Regards, --NordNordWest (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your answers. Sting (talk) 18:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Karte Portugal (Portugal location map.svg)

Hallo,

kannst du in deine vorhin hochgeladene Karte von Portugal vielleicht noch irgendwie die Azoren (und die andere Inselgruppe) mit einbauen? Beim Artikel der portugiesischen Superliga in der englischen Wiki ([2]) hat es nämlich in der Karte die auf Madeira befindlichen Vereine in den Fließtext verschoben.

Aktualisierst du auch die ganzen anderen Location map templates? Einige, wie z.B. Moldova, haben noch ein PNG, was für die Kartenerstellung wie in der Karte für Portugals Liga nicht funktioniert. In jedem Fall vielen Dank für deine Arbeit! Wikipedia-User Hockey-holic 91.36.212.192 21:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Ich bin etwas überrascht, dass es die Karte schon so schnell bis in die engl. WP geschafft hat. Solche Positionskarten dürfen eigentlich keine Einklinkerkarten (Azoren/Madeira) haben, weil ja dann nicht die richtige Koordinate angegeben kann: eine Karte, ein einheitliches Koordinatensystem. Ich vermute mal, hier wurde auch irgendwas Erfundenes angegeben, um einen zuvor dagewesenen Einklinker zu treffen. Mein Vorschlag, den Punkt in die Kartenfläche verschieben, irgendwo in den Atlantik, und dann den Namen der beiden Clubs und dem Hinweis (from Madeira) oder so versehen und den Punkt dafür auszuschalten. Das wäre die schnellste und einfachste Lösung. Und die Karte bleibt in sich logisch. Sollte es damit Probleme geben, melde dich ruhig wieder.

Die anderen Länder werden nach und nach gemacht. Die Karten sind ein Projekt zur einheitlichen Herstellung von SVG-Positionskarten, das erst diese Woche gestartet ist. Bis die Welt ganz abgearbeitet ist, wird es also noch ein bisschen dauern, aber Europa kommt zuerst dran. Gruß, --NNW (talk) 21:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Das Problem mit den madeirensischen Clubs habe ich jetzt (übrigens auch im Artikel der Vorgängersaison) durch einen Hinweis in der Bildunterschrift lösen müssen, da der Parameter marksize partout nicht das machen wollte, wofür er bei Wert 0 (oder 1) konzipiert worden ist. Alternativ könnte man auch einen Pfeil nach links als Marker einbinden (wenn es eine entsprechende Datei irgendwo gibt, meine Suche war leider erfolglos). Nochmal danke, Hockey-holic

Bau es doch so ein:

{{Location map marker|Portugal|lat=37|long=-9.7|mark= Black triangle.svg|label= ''Madeira:'' [[C.S. Marítimo{{!}}Marítimo]] / [[C.D. Nacional{{!}}Nacional]]}}

Das sieht ganz okay aus, finde ich. Gruß, --NNW (talk) 08:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Location maps older post

Hello NNW.
I've seen you started the Category:Location maps and uploaded the first maps. Fine ! I dropped a message in WP-fr about that and proposed them to adopt right now this color scheme, using the gray instead of the clear brown we used until now, so we can harmonize the style using the same maps. If it's adopted there, the category could be considered as a standard and the introduction would be changed (not only German Kartenwerkstatt maps).
I saw this category only today, after having uploaded yesterday location maps of France someone had asked for. One is similar to yours : Image:France_location_map-Regions.svg (slight differences in the geographic limits and with an other color for the non-subject countries). Not a big issue, coordination will become better in time.
May I make some suggestions ? I think the size of the shore lines is still too heavy and could be a bit reduced so it would be less “invasive”. The file weight is also quiet heavy, compared to mine it's twice the weight for a comparable precision. Those maps are only for general location purpose, so we think the weight doesn't need to be such big. Wouldn't be also be a good idea to put a linear scale in the map ? This would give a reference about the size of a country (region, etc.) for the reader when clicking on the map.
To conclude, I'd like to report a little error in Image:France_location_map.svg : in the S-W there are two little areas from the Midi-Pyrénées region placed in the Aquitaine area. You can check which they are in Image:France_location_map-Regions.svg.
Greetings. Sting (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

We thought it would be better to produce some maps and then to look how they work in different infoboxes in different WPs. Only talking about the maps without an infobox doesn't show the problems that these maps might have (is it possible to read place names when they cross the quite dark border lines?). Then it is easier to discuss possible changes like the size of lines etc. Right now I'm using VMAP level 0 data without Bézier curves which means that the size of the file is quite big in contrast to selfmade maps. Perhaps this has to be changed, too. As a professional cartographer I wouldn't like to have a scale in it because it wouldn't be mathematically correct. Especially in bigger countries the differences between the scale in the north and the south are obvious. Perhaps this is a problem just for me, we'll see. I think we should wait until the end of summer holidays when everybody is back so that all mapmakers can discuss what has to be or should be changed. Greetings, --NNW (talk) 18:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I used also the VMap-0 for the location map of Costa Rica, but as many boundaries in the other VMap-0 files are under copyright from ESRI (see details here) I used the World Data Bank II for the maps of France which has a better spatial accuracy (geographic position of the objects) and in which the international boundaries are more reliable and up-to-date, even if there are errors too (check the Yemen for example). Greetings. Sting (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to try WDB II, too. As I see with your map of France now, the data is okay enough to use it. Especially for big countries VMAP isn't a good solution because the size of the files become to big. I think it's normal to check every free data and correct it (like the Yemen). Somehow it's never satisfying. --NNW (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Karte der Landschaften von Deutschland

Hallo, sehr schön! – und doch ein paar Hinweise:

• Aukrug ist keine Landschaft, sondern eine aus mehreren Dörfern bestehende Landgemeinde, die nach einem bahnhof heißt , der nach einem Wirtshaus heißt.
• Lipper Land ist ein historischer politischer Begriff, neben Lippisches Bergland eine überflüssige Doppelung.
• Das Ravensberger Land ist lamdschaftlich als Ravensberger Hügelland interessant, nur der zwischen Teuoto und Wiehen gelegene Teil der ehem. Grafschaft Ravensberg, vgl. meine Karte Image:NRW Landsch Fluesse.png.
• Osnabrücker Land und Tecklenburger Land sind auch mehr historisch-politische Begriffe als landschaftliche Einheiten. Zugegeben, die können auch relevant sein, z.B. in Sachsen und manchmal ist die Auswahl schwer.
• In Niedersachsen gibt es verschiedene voneinander abgegrenzte Geestgebiete wie de:Wildeshauser Geest und de:Osterholzer Geest (da ist meine Karte kein Teil einer Serie, aber wesentlich informativer als deine).
• Der Drawehn sollte als nordsüdlich verlaufender Höhenzug besser hochkant eingetragen werden, vgl. meine Karte Image:Sachsen-Anhalt.gif
  

Gruß, Ulamm (talk) 20:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• Meine Hauptquelle ist der Nationalatlas BRD bzw. eine Karte des Instituts für Angewandte Geödasie. Die Leute da wissen in der Regel, was sie tun. Sie werden dafür bezahlt, eine ordentliche Arbeit abzuliefern. Da werde ich ihre Auswahl nicht groß in Zweifel ziehen, zumal sie sich deckt mit anderen Übersichten und Karten, die ich habe.
• Aukrug ist der Name eines kleinen Höhenzugs südlich des Bahnhofs Aukrug.
• Lipper Bergland bezeichnet nur den östlichen Teil des Lipper Landes und ist damit was anderes. Detmold liegt nicht im Lipper Bergland.
• Wenn etwas mehr ein historisch-politischer als ein landschaftlicher Begriff ist, wie du schreibst, gestehst du ihm ja zu, dass es auch ein landschaftlicher ist. Ansonsten hätte es entweder–oder heißen müssen, und das wäre hier eindeutig falsch.
• In der Bildbeschreibung steht: Nicht aufgenommen wurden ortsnamengebundene Landschaftsteile (z.B. Eichstätter Alb). Darunter fallen dann Wildeshauser oder Osterholzer Geest. Da darf deine Karte gerne wesentlich informativer sein. Ich hatte eh nicht vor, mit deinen Karten konkurrieren zu wollen. Übrigens ist eine Beweisführung auf Grundlage eigener Karten nicht zulässig. Das solltest du eigentlich wissen. Ansonsten lies doch noch mal diese Seite. Gruß, --NNW (talk) 07:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

War auch nicht als Beweis gedacht sondern als Hinweis.

So ganz stimmt das mit dem Ausschluss ortsbezogener Landschaftsteile ja nicht: Oldenburgisches Münsterland, Leipziger Tieflandsbucht, . Und Geest ist eine Landschaftsart wie Gebirge, Niederung oder (teilweise damit überschneidend) Heide. Die Wildeshauser Geest ist von der Osterholzer Geest und der Verdener Heide durch die Weserniederung getrennt, die Osterholzer Geest von der Stader Geest durch das Teufelsmoor, beide von der Verdener Heide durch die Wümmeniederung. Das ist etwas anderes, als wenn topografisch zusammenhängende Teile des Rhinluchs nach dem jeweiligen Gemeindegebiet benannt werden. Der Bremer Anteil an der Wümmeniederung (die ist von der Weserniederung durch Verdener Heide und Bremer Düne/Weserdüne getrennt) teilt sich in Blockland, Hollerland und den westlichen Teil der Wümmewiesen. Darum finde ich die Nennung des Blocklandes in einer Deutschlandkarte überzogen. Gruß, Ulamm (talk) 21:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ukraine location map.svg

Hi, NordNordWest. I see that you have uploaded a new map Image:Ukraine location map.svg, but there's one thing: the Dnipro River isn't shown on there although its water reservoirs are. Could you try adding the river to the map? Thanks, —dima/s-ko/ 04:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. --NNW (talk) 08:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! —dima/s-ko/ 18:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Location maps query

Hi, looks like good work... but are you drawing some distinction (differences) between "Location" maps and the standard scheme "Locator" maps of FOO. // FrankB 06:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm just following the results of a discussion of French and German MapLabs here. Some users who seem to have a better knowledge of English than me told me that there would be a difference between locator and location. I don't know if they are right but I don't think that these names are a problem. Btw, the templates use location, so location fits better than locator. And I can use file names which aren't in use right now, a big plus. --NNW (talk) 08:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Acknowledged... thanks for the link info. I'd forgotten about those. Just make sure your location maps subcategorize to the matching Locator maps category and to a SVG maps by country category, and all should work out. Tagging such pages with an explaination is highly recommended, otherwise people won't recognized there is a distinction and difference. (See my requests here and we'll cope with the confusion so far here going forward.) // FrankB 19:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

For your information

Hi! I spent the last 8-10 hours preparing and working your location maps into the commons maps categorizations scheme, which I helped set up a couple of years back.

1. Take a look at Category:Location maps of Tunisia and use it as a model for your country focused maps.
2. Note and familiarize yourself with the two templates I set up:
   1. 2008 Standard Location maps [3]: autocategorizes based on {{{1}}} plus asserts your message about the maps. Note as you can see from the Tunisia category, it works just fine in a country category.
   2. Location map notice [4]: is dual mode. By default, it presents links and warns about the difference between the maps types. On a page like Locator maps of Africa... a parent category for your location maps' category, it changes the message a bit using the "nonstandard=true" mode.
3. The only thing that is problematic is that locator maps parent categories may or may not be in existence. Some countries or continents are in good shape, others have no locator maps categories defined whatever... one of the things that brought me back to the commons earlier this month to tidy up again in maps and reimpose some systematic uniformity. (Now if I could figure out how to get paid for my slavish devotion!) If you poke around a bit from Maps by country or Maps by countries of Europe you should be able to locate both a well defined hierarchy and one less so... if you get stuck, just ask.

How different or closely does your maps standard match the Location maps on en.wikipedia? Gotta get to bed. // FrankB 08:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

So, where to begin? I response to the discussion here and at Category talk:Location maps (2008 standard). Before changing anything I think it's better to discuss everything first.

First of all thank you very much for the templates. RL keeps me quite busy right now, I will try to understand how they work in the following week. "Wikimedia Foundation computerized geo-location standards" is a little exaggerated. This is just a project of the French and German map labs, the only ones in Wikipedia. The aim is a unified graphic for location maps. As you can see here the location maps used on de: are a bunch of colours and styles and it is similar on the other projects. The French cartographers tried to start a discussion about maps but the response, well, wasn't overwhelming. That's why there hasn't been a big cross-project discussion about these location maps: too few people interested and in the end location maps are just small maps somewhere in the edge of an article. So in the end the French and German map labs decided how they should be made and look. They are used in a dozen of projects right now, also in the English Wikipedia.

Don't place an item into a category and its parent

The longer I think about it the more I would suggest not to sort the location maps as a subcategory of locator maps. As your template explains both seem quite similar but they work completely different. A locator map work by its own, everything needed is in it, like a typical map. A location map can only be used in a template which places a dot/sign onto the map to locate an object. Without a template a location map is quite useless. As an advantage the category trees would be much easier to handle. Both locator maps and location maps appear in Category:Maps by type (and better not in Category:Maps like right now) and each file of the location maps has a link to Category:SVG maps of ... and Category:Blank maps of ... like Image:Croatia location map.svg has it right now. With this solution there won't be problems with the category tree like they are described in this graphic here on the right.

I have to say I don't understand why North America fell into Category:Location maps by region but not the other continents. If we divide locator and location maps as I explained above this problem is obsolete. There will be no need for a category region next to continent.

And I don't understand why there is a special Category:Location maps of Tunisia in Category:Location maps (2008 standard). Tunisia has to be a file in Category:Location maps of Africa. As I assume that there won't be any further maps of Tunisia a special subcategory isn't needed here. Bigger countries (USA, France, Germany, Russia) will need a special subcategory of course. (And – btw and quite surprisingly – even my discussion page became a part of Category:Location maps of Tunisia!)

So, that's for today. I hope it's understandable what I tried to explain. Best regards, --NNW (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

As the system starts to get confused my proposal for the category tree:

• Category:Maps by type
  • Category:Locator maps
    • ...
  • Category:Location maps
    • Category:Location maps of Africa
      • Category:SVG location maps of Africa
    • Category:Location maps of Asia
      • Category:SVG location maps of Asia
    • Category:Location maps of Europe
      • Category:SVG location maps of Europe

...

and deleting the "(2008 standard)" part of the category name. Then it works for both PNG and SVG location maps. There will be no category for the new standard maps but I think it won't work anyway. --NNW (talk) 16:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I had a big long answer here for you and firefox crashed on me, loosing at least a half-hour of discussion typing... point by point. I'm too tired now to start again, but they way I started was apologizing for not checking back sooner... I gave up on watchlists when my page counts hit 5500+, and believe in the courtesy of letting others know, by at least pinging their talk when an answer has been made... that way the alert banner let's them know something is up. In any event, I've been here almost continuously since I posted you above, save for today—when I only passed through making incidental edits related to what I was doing on wikiversity and wikipedia. So we could have chatted for two days now.

Having lost the long answer, I'll have to start over again when I'm fresher. Firefox normally reconstructs an edit, so I can only surmise my multiple tabs together overran the memory available. Sorry. Later. // FrankB 05:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

No need to hurry, everything's fine (except your Firefox!). Rome wasn't built in a day, either. --NNW (talk) 07:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello both of you.

I didn't pay attention to this section so I started a new one below.

Complementary to that one, I'd like to add that I don't see well the importance of the “SVG” mention in the template: I started also to include in the cats the relief location maps I've created, and these are raster ones. These maps overlay exactly to the administrative version and are used in WP-fr with a new functionality in the infoboxes (see an example here). The only point is that, if WP-de and WP-fr agreed about a standard for administrative maps, nothing has been decided about relief/topo maps, so these last follow only the WP-fr convention (which btw is the only one having one for these types of maps), but the colors can be changed if a common standard emerges later. Depending my free time, I pretend to make (slowly) relief location maps for several countries equivalent to the administrative ones created by the German lab. May be also that a small map as example for the administrative standard (in the cat page, in the template, ... ?) would be clearer about what is meant with this word?

Greetings. Sting (talk) 19:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

A nice new functionality, I must say, although I'm not sure if it will be appreciated. Right now I don't know anybody in WP-de who wants to create those topo maps so I think you should create them as you think they should be. A real discussion about it won't happen (I predict) for there are too few people having knowledge about it and these few seem to be content with these maps. My opinion: just follow the WP-fr convention and it'll be fine.

Categories: I just would like it as easy as possible and as clear and logical as necessary. I don't know anything about writing templates so I cannot help in this. --NNW (talk) 10:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I already understood that a convention about relief/topo maps is not set. We are in WP-fr the only ones to have one. So, like it has been proposed by somebody in WP-de, you make the administrative SVG location maps and we (I ?) will make the relief ones that match with them.

For the cats tree, I agree with you on the following patern:

• Category:Maps by type
  • Category:Locator maps
    • ...
  • Category:Location maps
    • ...

If we start to mix the sub-cats it will be a mess. Also, following this discussion and my post bellow, I agree that a specific cat for a country may only exist if there are enough maps to fill it. Sting (talk) 15:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

In WP-de we fear that a convention might lead to a sort of assembly line work which might kill the fun in this project. We don't intend to produce some kind of consistent "WP Atlas". The position map project is a first test if a collaboration of several users is practicable in getting similar maps in the result. After that we will find out if more projects are wanted. Right now everybody has his own independently developed style and this is something we quite appreciate, although this might not be the best way for an encyclodepia. This and the “leader who decides when it has to be done", unusual to the WP principles and, I have to say, with the worst connotation for a German, can be seen as reasons why there hasn't been much comments from WP-de. It's really not a total lack of interest. (I think I had to explain.)

In creating the categories we agree completely. --NNW (talk) 17:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand, and there's no problem for me about that. At least several Germans answered there, I appreciate that. We set conventions in WP-fr of course to keep a kind of harmonization, but also as guide-lines for new mapmakers as I was able to see that choosing a consistent pattern of colors for a map is really not intuitive and may take a long time. Proposing a ready-to-use pattern was practical for all of us. Sting (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Location maps

Hello NNW.
I wanted to let you know that I created Category:Location maps by country, like for other types of maps, so we can have two entries by country: or through the indicated cat (it would be like a list) or through the continent/region's cat.
In order to keep the root cat as clear and light as possible, I would suggest you to modify slightly one functionality present in Template:2008 Standard Location maps about the categorization: as it is now, for example Category:Location_maps_of_France appears also in Category:Location maps (2008 standard) while it should only appear in the sub-cats Location maps of Europe and Location maps by country.
The cat tree should imo follow something like that:

-Category:Location maps
         |-> -Category:Location maps by country
                      |-> -Category:Location maps of Albania
                      |-> -Category:Location maps of Algeria
                      |-> -etc.
         |-> -Category:Location maps of Africa
                      |-> -Category:Location maps of Algeria
                      |-> -Category:Location maps of Angola
                      |-> -etc.
         |-> -Category:Location maps of Asia
                      |-> -etc.
         |-> -Category:Location maps of Europe
                      |-> -etc.
         |-> -etc.

Each country cat may have sub-cats if necessary in case there are a lot of regional location maps in it, but I'm not sure this will happen frequently.
As you see in the tree above and as you may have noticed my message in Category talk:Location maps, I think the sub-cat Location maps (2008 standard) is unnecessary and should be deleted and Template:2008 Standard Location maps renamed. Once the work is stabilized I will create language-specific templates to make this one lighter (something like Template:Trademarked).
Greetings. Sting (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

re: Is it correct that this is the third user talk where this topic is discussed? Is it discussed at all? I fear I'm losing the plot... *sigh --NNW (talk) 18:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know about counts, but I asked Sting about an individual edit... this one, perhaps (at the time) which (mistakenly) included by confusing the two names (Locator/Location) myself ... and so also what he did on that edit. In fact his edit was 'spot on' and I shouldn't have added the "standard" category to the page without a note that it was meant for temporary "Scheme think".

• Apologies for not getting back yet to our original categories discussion (i.e. after that lost edit, I'm still trying to work through things to finish) but that by itself is an indicator that my subconscious is saying "Precisely how this maps type is schemed" in detail is no big deal either way. The fact that you don't figure you will be making maps to a smaller scale (tighter focus, closer in view) per country... took away some urgency too. In the interim, I see Sting made the by countries category... that may become the best place to have as a "common pool", if I'm getting the right picture on overall numbers... but by continent within that!

I was leaning toward making the least number of lightly populated categories by piggy-backing from within locator maps categories. Your scheme without countries categories is even briefer, lumping all by continent. (for each day since, this has been on my "Want to do" list... but I seem to be going backwards this week!) What I see overall in lower categories "work needs" in maps also needs time for more "surveying and digestion". So no hurry. Might not be the worst idea to combine parts of these, at the least, on Category talk:Maps or even rehold another categorization "Conference" (since by and large, the people have changed here since 2006) or perhaps set up a commons project dealing with all aspects of maps, to really standardize things.

Bottom line... I'm not making a recommendation or position yet until I give this sufficient thought. // FrankB 14:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again... sorry for the delay, but RL got real busy last week. I think overall we should just play this by ear but for now but follow your initial lead using by continent groupings. By which I mean, place them in a continental or regional category as you started to do. Whether there is a "Location maps by country" category created for that country at some later date can be determined solely on whether it can be populated because there are multiple maps to put in it. I'm no big fan of twos and three to a category, but after that, would make sense. Overall, I'm thinking of reconfiguring part of the maps tree so all by countries are locatable via a country of continent or even a country of region (e.g. Eurasia, Middle East) paths.

I see no harm in having your Category:Location maps (2008 standard) category, since here one can have categories for work by a user, there is no reason to not have one for a group of map creators, or maps created to the same standard. I'll even go farther... so far, only France and Germany are synchronizing their efforts, but there are other wikipedia's whose location maps could show up as moved to here at any moment since there is certainly a push on most wikipedia's to move images here when possible. As I wrote in my lost edit, it would be pretty churlish of you to steal the en.wikipedia naming of these maps categories and then somehow try to disallow them into said categories! For that reason I certainly would disagree with Sting on deleting the category... it serves to group those maps within your standard... not those of other color schemes, after all.

In the meantime, what can you tell me about how to study up on these geocodes these maps are based on. One of the admins here asked me to help document the templates being used, and having some place to start would be nice! <g> // FrankB 02:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello to both of you.

It's ok for me to keep Category:Location maps (2008 standard) if you wish. At the end it's not a big issue.

I modified Template:2008 Standard Location maps using a new Template:2008 Standard Location maps/lang and taking example on other templates of the same nature so we can have several translations and keep at the same time the warning box lighter.

@ Frank: if you have the time, take a look at all these templates as I see they are automatically categorized in “SVG Location maps categories” and “Blank maps by region”. Also, using this template makes that the categories for each country are placed directly inside category:Location maps (2008 standard) while they should only appear in category:Location maps by country and the cat of their area/continent. If you don't have the time I'll try this w-e to look inside these codes to fix that.

@ NNW: I saw some maps that were made are pretty small, like the one of Albania (258 x 377px). At this size, when I will make the equivalent physical map which is a raster one, it will be almost unreadable. The parameter of the size in pixels of the image is important for the use in the geo-location templates in the local WPs, but in svg the file weight doesn't change regarding its size, so can you upload your maps with a size of about 1,000px for the largest border like you did for other ones? No hurry for the moment as I'm working for now on French regions and departments.

Greetings. Sting (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Albania is my part, so I will fix it next time. Greetings Lencer (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Lencer. Yes, I didn't pay attention to who made it. My comment was general as I saw several others a bit small. Sting (talk) 11:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Greece, Albania, Netherlands and Czech Republic are fixed, Austria is fine. (There are my parts) Greetings Lencer (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks.

Referring to what I wrote about the dimensions of the maps in the templates, I noticed, looking how those templates are made in WP-de and WP-en, that the size of the maps used is not specified while it is the case in all the templates in WP-fr, so if you change the size of the maps it will have a great impact in the templates over there (that's why my previous post might not have been understandable). I don't know the reason and I will ask our geocoding “specialists”. Sting (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for my late answer. RL keeps me busy and will do this at least the following fortnight. As I'm completely inexperienced in templates I won't be a help with that but I'm sure you do very well. ;-) So I would request you to discuss this and the categories even if I may not be able to answer right in time. If we keep a category "(2008 standard)" like a work-of-a-single-user category it has to be a subcategory of "Location map". This may lead to a double categorization:

-Category:Location maps
         |-> -Category:Location maps of Europe
                      |-> -Category:Location maps of Europe (2008 standard)
                                   |->-Category:Location maps of France (2008 standard)
                                   |->...
                      |-> -Category:Location maps of France
                                   |->-Category:Location maps of France (2008 standard)
                                   |->...

I don't mind but perhaps you.

@ Frank: The data which is used at WP-de: is the Vector Map and the World Data Base II by the CIA. Sting might tell you something about the reliefs. The handling of this vector data might be too complicated to most hobby mapmakers here so I don't know if a help document to this kind of producing location maps is really a help. What's important for location maps is said in the template: usually an equirectangular projection (or a projection in which the distance between the latitudes is always the same) with some exceptions using a conical projection (but the only one who made templates with a conical projection is STyx at WP-fr, I'm still looking for one at WP-de, seems to be quite difficult); then you have to know the exact geographic limits of the map. As Sting said there seems to be a difference between English/German and French templates. All other projects I worked in are using the English/German version without asking for the size of the map. This has to be resolved.

@ Sting: I'm reworking the maps which are too small the following days whenever I'll have some time. --NNW (talk) 16:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

@NNW - thanks for the ping... and the information!

Good Afternoon! I just found out my answer yesterday on the above is in an edit buffer, and unsaved... I'll prioritize getting back to it. @sting - short answer on above categories:

• In principle, as implied by NNW's query to me about Location maps of Tunisia— which I took to mean de-wp's plans were for only one or a few Location maps per country, separate "(2008 standard)s categories would be excessive, to say the least!
• I would prefer tagging images with a template rather than a category like Location maps of France (2008 standard), because the Whatlinkshere for such a template makes a Bot navigable "pseudo-category" and so does the job of grouping... (Maps intermingled are better for "browsing customers shopping to find a map") but in THAT (France's many maps to smaller divisions) KIND of CASE and any others where there is a lot of items, sure... do it as you graphed above... it makes sense!. Don't do it if at this time it empties out the parent category, but for the subcategory to the (2008 standard) [Technically that's a speedy-delete criteria here, categories should have at least two of something of the same kind]

I'll see if I can get back quick with my longer post-assuming I haven't lost the post I thought I'd saved! // FrankB 16:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello.

Yes, I was thinking about having specific cats for maps following the same standard in order to keep them “clean” and find easily our maps but I don't know anymore. I would continue to say so, but I'm sure it's the best. What do you think about it? And yes, if we do so we will have to rename them with the “(2008 standard)” extension so the root sub-cats can be filled with the other type of location maps.

Yes, there will be for some (many?) time no need for country-specific cats. France which I started to fill is one. Germany will follow in few as it is planned in WP-de, probably also the USA, Spain for which we have a request in our graphic workshop and so on. For the others they will probably be limited for a long time with only two maps (administrative/physical), at the best.

Greetings. Sting (talk) 00:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I lost that edit buffer as I feared, and I want to get to bed... I've been fighting templates all darn day... however, felt I need to finish here first before getting some sleep.

@Sting, on tracking your own images, I suggest a template. We all undergo a variety of inconveniences for the project, so please think about what is really needed by the customers. (Every category also adds to confusion finding things, and the customers aren't going to care whether it's the 2008 standard or the 2006's very first location map produced... they'll pick it because it's clear, displays the region they want shown, and possibly because they like its color schemes.)

   A template can even be an invisible template so it stays "Secret" (see {{Silent}}... and it's links), or it could do some minor notations... (See for example the various 'do little' templates in Commons:SVG marker templates... it needn't be fancy to assert sourcing. Any template would give you a list of pages. Similarly, could make a special copyright type of template which just incorporates the one you'd use otherwise... but yours is just a front end for the other which would have a unique linkshere list. If at a later time you decide you do need a list category... (e.g. SVG maps is a huge list category) you can just add the category into the template. (One trick there would be to add a new "Bad Name" category temporarily, do your maintenance in the redlinked category... then take it back out of the template. We use this technique sometimes to find out where and how an optional parameter in a template is used... then remove the category when done.)
   The German Map Werks can do the same with theirs, and each would add the map to the category Location maps (2008 standard).

To Clarify, I see Location maps (2008 standard) as a big list or "tracking category" like the aforementioned SVG maps. People looking for a map would be foolish to look in such a list category, and would be better served by taking the path through regions/continents to countries level categories. Separate categories Location maps of Foo (2008 standard) can be made, but only at need where there is already or will soon be (per planning) a large enough map count fitting the geographic limit bounding the group. They should always be under the current tree... so no upper category Location maps of Europe (2008 standard) need be created to hold Location maps of France (2008 standard)... it just goes in Location maps of Europe, or of Location maps of France should en.wikipedia location maps start showing up here.

      ■ I'm still not convinced that setting up a whole new hierarchy for location maps is wise... so I certainly don't want to see one based on "(2008 standard)". If each Location map category were just linked to the matching locator map on each level from larger region to smallest, it would be pretty intuitive.

I think we need to get off this page too... I wouldn't blame NNW if he were getting irritated. Timeshifter left this note on my talk nearly a month ago: Can we copy all this to Category talk:Location maps (2008 standard)? You are a LOT more informed on this topic than me. I think you guys can work things out. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC), and we probably ought to do the same with this whole several sections of discussion. Can someone with a clear mind take a read through and see if there is anything we need to settle, didn't get answered and so forth... and post that on Category talk:Location maps (2008 standard). Cheers! // FrankB 06:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind if the discussion stays here and I don't mind if it gets off, either. But the category talk is probably the better place. You may decide. --NNW (talk) 08:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Positionskarten: administrative Untereinheiten

Wollte nur einen kurzen Hinweis auf diese Seite geben, da ich gesehen habe, dass du bei der Montenegro-Positionskarte die Grenzen der Großgemeinden nicht mit eingetragen hast. Wenn du willst, kann auch ich das nachträgliche Einzeichnen übernehmen. Oder möchtest du bei solch "schwammiger Rastergrundlage" lieber ganz auf die Untereinheiten verzichten? --Chumwa (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Danke für den Tipp! Die Seite kannte ich nicht. Bisher habe ich immer im entsprechenden Länderartikel nachgeschaut, was Stand der Dinge ist und mich dann auf die Suche nach einer passenden Karte gemacht, falls es nötig war. Die Seite könnte die Suche abkürzen, allerdings, wie ich beim Kosovo sehe, ist ein Blick vorher in den Artikel unbedingt nötig, denn so wie in der Karte stimmt das wohl nicht. Bisher habe ich bei Ländern, die als nächste Ebene gleich die Gemeinden haben (Slowenien, Kosovo und Montenegro), auf ihre Darstellung verzichtet. Das sollten wir wohl nochmal auf der Projektseite besprechen. Und Rastervorlagen nehme ich in der Tat nur, wenn ich nichts anderes finde und sie eine vernünftige Auflösung haben. Gruß, --NNW (talk) 09:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Bosnia and Herzegovina location map.svg

Hi,

Would it be possible to create more detaied map of Image:Bosnia and Herzegovina location map.svg. This one has only Federation BiH, Republic of Srpska and Brcko district. Lover level subnational entitites in Bosnia include cantons (in Federation BiH) and 100+ municipalities.

--Sombrero (talk) 11:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

Right now I'm busy with producing maps of countries with only the first-level administration. After that of course it is possible to put in more entities but then they cannot be used as location maps which have to be simple because usually they are used only in a small size. Please don't cat all the maps, the future categorization is discussed right now and after that it will be done for all location maps in one go. --NNW (talk) 12:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Bulgaria location map.svg

Hello and thanks for the wonderful map that you've created, we're using it widely on Bulgarian town and village articles and we really appreciate your work. There is one problem, however, that we've noticed: the border between Vidin Province and Montana Province (in the very northwest) seems to be missing, making them look as if they are one province. Could you please fix this? You can see the correct version in this image Image:Bulgaria-locator-template.svg or this one Image:Blank location in Bulgaria.png. Thanks in advance! Martyr (talk) 11:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I somehow forgot to draw it. Sorry, but now it's fixed. Greetings, --NNW (talk) 12:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch for the swift correction :) All the best, Martyr (talk) 14:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Europe administrative regions Map SVG

Hi, is there a version of a European Map that shows the administrative regions of each European country (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Location_maps_of_Europe) in one map? What I mean is that I would like to see a European Man that shows the lands of Germany, the departments of France, the cantons of Switzerland, the judete of Romania, and so on .. in the same map (according to the location map that you did for each European country). Have you created such a map, and if not do you know where could I find one? Thanks!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Scooter20 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't create such a map and I don't know if there is one, either. You could search in Category:Maps of Europe. --NNW (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I found one here (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe98.svg). Thanks for the tip!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Scooter20 (talk • contribs) 09:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The areas especially in Eastern Europe are not up to date in this file and are completely missing in ex-Yugoslavia. I'm not sure if you will like this map. PS: Please don't forget to sign your contributions! --NNW (talk) 10:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Mongolia location map

It is nothing personal, I swear. The sources you used are not correct, you see. So I've corrected not your, but sources mistakes and replaced not correct image with the correct one - not more, not less. I'm deeply inside the Mongolian geography and so your massive map production activity can't be so detailed for every country, I guess. If you are offended with my contribution - sorry, I had no intention to hurt you. My intention was to replace not correct map with correct one (the same type of map). You think your map is more correct? Does incorrect map is useful in Wiki?Bogomolov.PL (talk) 15:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It is not right to overwrite my map if there are mistakes or not, it's a massive disrespect and a violation of common behaviour. The least thing would have been to ask me if I don't mind (but I do) or if I'm willing to correct it (I would have been, you are not the first who found mistakes and I always corrected them). I am still active at Wikipedia, it would have been easy to ask. Your map shows more area of the adjacent countries which leads to a smaller presentation of Mongolia. This is counterproductive for location maps with only small space in an infobox. So I want you to restore my map. You can upload yours with a different name. --NNW (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I had no bad intentions. But I had some experience with the replacing of my maps with different one. Well known cartographer User:Aotearoa did not like my map in pl:wiki. He replaced it with his one, next this map was stored in Commons and polish version (with its history) deleted as duplicated. So no signs of my map presence. With Mongolia location map it is different situation - your original map is stored in the image history, nothing lost in WikiCommons. My intention was to correct erroneous state and province boundaries - it is not any crime, but this location map quality improving. Did you notice some boundaries differences? The bondaries you used are from online mapping source (also used by the Google Map/Earth, Yahoo etc.), but Chinese-Mongolian border was not correct. Do you have a better data source? I'm using offline data sources, so how I can provide you with this correct data? I was trying to make this new map the same type (color scheme is the same, I hope, and it is SVG also). I'm not sure you could make your map better using your mapping resources, but more correct map is better one, isn't it? Do you want erroneous map be revived? Is it a constructive for the Wiki improving?

Do you want to restore your map because it's your or do you really believe it's a better one? OK, I will restore your incorrect file, but it is not constructive for WikiPedia, I guess. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 06:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• If you have "some experience with replacing" then I wonder how you think that I will accept your doing. Now I have "some experience with replacing" by you and, be sure, I don't like it either. This time you created a completely new file which wasn't necessary. You might take a look at en:Ethic of reciprocity: "Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." Known for 2500 years.
• Don't tell me anything about "nothing lost" because it's still in the file history. No one is interested in an older version.
• Don't tell me anything about "correcting". You didn't correct my map, you were uploading a new file and put your name into "author".
• That you cut your second version of the map at the edges like I told you above so it works better as an location map shows clearly that you haven't spent a thought about it before you did it. This leaves a big question mark at your knowledge about creating such maps for me.
• I wanted you to restore this map because I'm not accepting this kind of behaviour. This is vandalism.
• And in the end don't tell me anything about being "constructive". Your disrespective and ignorant behaviour proves yourself wrong. And btw improving Wikipedia means also naming your sources of your map. "Own work" is just ridiculous. I doubt you follow the borderlines with GPS. Don't answer me. I don't want to read anymore of your useless rhetorical questions. I will check your statement about the errors in the next time and I hope they are visible in this scale and not just a question of generalization. --NNW (talk) 08:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• As you noticed it was a question of two buttons pressed and everything was back - your image and your textual information. I've made this for you. And nothing was lost.
• As it was with the experience with replacing. You can find at my talkpage my thanx for this ("gratulations" literally, with no irony), because this new map also was good enough. We both (Aotearoa and me) were working with the aim to improve Wiki. As you too, I'm sure.
• About correcting. Really for you - the first map author - is clear that I've used my own sources, but for common WikiPedia user is more important its quality, but not an author etc. But it can not be correct to sign myself made map with your name, so it was stored with notification of my name. I've corrected Mongolia location map - every correction creates a new file, who made correction is this file uploader. I didn't correct your file, I've corrected a location map.
• About cutting edges. I've respected your opinion in this question and what - it is a sign of my ignorance? Is it logic? I can tell you why I've made edges wider than at your map - I wanted to show close (really close) almost neighborhood of Kazakhstan and to show how far is Yellow Sea. But you have an argument, which is reasonable and I've reduced map width from 36 to 34 deg.(-5.88%), and highth from 14 to 12 (-16.67%) degrees. But a small portion of Kazakhstan border was saved.
• "This is vandalism" - you wrote. It is your emotional reaction post factum when everything I've restored. Here you can find official definition of what is a vandalism and what is not:"Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism". But I apologize to you. Again, like I've done yesterday.
• About the sources of your and my information. What were the sources of provincial division boundaries at your map? Did "you follow the borderlines with GPS"? But you are rigth - it is my omission, I didn't noticed sources of my own work: "Монгол улсын засаг захиргааны хуваарь. "Зурагзүй" ХХК-д зохиож хэвлэв. 2006 он." I've added this information into the file description, thank you.
• I hope you will check your map - I can tell you where. The state boundary with China (easternmost en:Dornod province). It is not any generalization issue - this boundary is erroneous in the sources you used. And provincional boundaries junction (you can find the area 47.5-48.3 deg N and 93-94 deg E). The lakes are not divided with the provincional boundaries - both large lakes are completely inside the en:Khovd province, the provincional boundary runs along the lake shore. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 12:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Possible common rules for location maps creation

I've briefly studied your location maps and I've noticed possible lack of common approaches:

• Is it possible to define the size of the lakes (% of map area, for example) which should be shown?
• At some maps small islands are accentuated with state boundary portions (Spain), some - not (Italy). The accentuation is preferable, I guess.
• Sometimes provincional boundaries are separating islands (Danmark, Estonia), but sometimes no (Holland, Greece). It is better to use separation lines, I guess.
• Sometimes two level divisions were shown (Greece), sometimes none (Montenegro).
• Mostly location maps are without rivers (even very large as Donau) but sometimes no. For Paraguay or Austria, Romania rivers can be useful

Other corrections requests I've stored at respective map discussion pages. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Norway map

Thank you for your attention to my remark and fixing this technical problem! Bogomolov.PL (talk) 09:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Cuba location map.svg

Thank you for your attention to my remark and fixing the problem! Bogomolov.PL (talk) 04:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Technical question

Hello. Thank you again very much for the great work you are doing by creating all those location maps. I just wanted to ask you a silly technical question, as I am kind of newbie in the svg area. I create so-called flag-maps using your location maps and country flags, e.g. Image:Laos location map.svg + Image:Flag of Laos.svg = Image:Flag-map of Laos.svg. I can handle that but I have problems with the subdivisions. I would like to create flag-maps also for U.S. states using your USA location map but I don't know how to properly "export" states from the location map. I mean I can do that by picking up all borders of certain state I need, but finally there are minor rifts in the corners of newly "exported" outline which prevents it from "filling" it with the map fill. Can you help? P.S. Sorry if my question is just dumb. :) - Darwinek (talk) 10:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

To fill an area it really has to be an area (except for Illustrator where you can fill even open paths). So it depends on which program you are using. I'm not used to work with Inkscape and prefer programs like Illustrator or FreeHand so I cannot tell you how to do in there. E.g. in FH it's just a single click to close a line no matter where or how big a gap in the line is. The US map doesn't have all the states as single areas. You have to create them using the borders and join them properly. There is no easier way, I'm sorry. You better ask someone working with Inkscape how exactly this has to be done in this program.

And please name the sources of your flag maps in the file description when you are using maps and flags you haven't made yourself. --NNW (talk) 10:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I made correction to the sources. Is it cool now? - Darwinek (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if "cool" is the right word. ;-) --NNW (talk) 19:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Is it OK then? :) - Darwinek (talk) 20:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

As long as the licenses of the used files don't require the naming of the authors this is okay. Otherwise a by xy or by [[User:xy|xy]] has to be added. I haven't checked it in this case. If you are not sure, just add it and at least the authors will be pleased even it wasn't necessary. --NNW (talk) 20:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Belarus, Romania and Hungary location maps

Thank you for your attention to my remarks and fixing the problems! Bogomolov.PL (talk) 13:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Norway_location_map.svg

Hi, thanks for a good map of the counties in this map, do you have any chance to also make the municipal borders in a similar version (svg)? Would have been great for many uses. Røed (talk) 02:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Right now I'm working in a project to produce such maps for all countries of the world and it will take quite a while until we will finish. Before this I definitely will have no time for this, I'm sorry. After this we can see what comes next. Greetings, --NNW (talk) 08:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Kind of expected it, but had to try, thanks anyway. Røed (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I've seen you create maps yourself. Why don't you join them to a complete map of Norway? --NNW (talk) 18:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Because I know how to change colors on maps allready exsisting, I'm far worse in drawing maps from scratch/sources. Røed (talk) 04:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Lakes of Kashmir Valley in India

Halo! I find that you have uploaded a number of maps on wiki. There is report prepared by Ramsar Convention on Wetlands at web address <http://www.ramsar.org/wurc/wurc_mgtplan_india_wular.pdf > titled Comprehensive Management, Action Plan for Wular lake, Kashmir. Can you possibly help in uploading the maps of the lakes (Wular, Dal, Manasbal etc) from this report so that they can be used in the artciles on these lakes? Thank you.--Nvvchar (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I cannot upload these maps. Without the accordance of the mapmakers it would be copy violation. I'm sorry, --NNW (talk) 12:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Ukraine location map.svg

Thank you for your attention to my remarks and correcting your map! I'm sure the Snake Island has to be shown at this map (the same with the Tuzla Island). Bogomolov.PL (talk) 09:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Svg maps

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Hi your maps look great especially Greenland, However could you try to use a different colour for the neighboring countries, the grey scale looks quite bland. Could you use similar colors as in this image here? Your map would be perfect if it combined the color in the above. Oh I have a request, can you create one for Argentina, we are stuck with the awful Image:Argentina-locator.png? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 22:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Answered at en:. --NNW (talk) 12:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Tajikistan location map.svg

Thank you for this map correction!Bogomolov.PL (talk) 11:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Galápagos

Hi NNW. Thanks a lot for indicating these errors on the map to me. I made the modifications and uploaded the new versions. Btw, I saw I made another mistake in the locator map for which I used rough data from the WCL which isn't up-to-date: there are still international boundaries on each side of the Panama Canal. These don't exist anymore since the end of 1999. Greetings. Sting (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I will update it for the German version, too, thanks. --NNW (talk) 15:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Location Map Switzerland / Schweiz ?

Hi Nordnordwest,

Coole Locationmaps hast Du gemacht! Aber warum gibt es keine von der Schweiz?

Vielen Dank! Die entsteht in Zusammenarbeit mit Wikimedia CH, da warte ich noch auf Daten, die sie mir zugesagt haben. Sobald ich die bekommen habe, wird es auch eine von der Schweiz geben. Kommt Zeit, kommt location map. Gruß, --NNW (talk) 11:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Color of the Poland location map background (and all of them, comee to think of it)

Hi there. Sometimes it is difficult to discuss and coordinate an issue across projects. I changed the map color here by making the yellowish creme background pure white in color, for better contrast, after I employed a different pog on the pl Wiki in order to signal new map semantics: the location pog now links there sensibly to pertinent maps via the stable tool server. Soon so will any click on the map background, as well.

I realize that you are the author, and that the background is used across projects, mainly with the Red pog.svg pog, but surely those too benefited from contrast enhancement? Is there a technical or cartographic use consideration that I am unaware of? Apologies for breaking anything, but I did not consider that whitening off-white here would merit a separate discussion on Commons; there is one concerning the new pog(s) and its/their aesthetics/visibility on the pl wiki (in wp:Kawiarenka/techniczne). Your revert just 2 hours after my snow white background introduction :) cascaded in reverts, as there simply was no adequate time to appraise the new background/pog combinations, and the pog seen against the old creme got reverted as well, as being difficult to see. It's hard enough to improve the working of things, but having to cope with territorial/project coordination issues...

Best wishes, --Mareklug ^talk 22:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

P.s. I read only now, belatedly, your note to me on the English wiki, for which I thank you. And I now had the benefit of reading the relevant discussion on your English wiki talk page. The argument pertaining to the prevalent male color blindness is especially persuasive. Could we just drop the creme and go to the pure white? I fail to see how darkening and colorizing the background helps anyone. The aesthetics are debatable (but here, too, matching the default Wikipedia article background white would be a plus, I should think), and the use with various pogs, whatever the color -- especially for those with transparency -- would be enhanced. Would this change entail massive discussions, and if so, where, or can you/we just start making them all all nice and white? :)

All the best, --Mareklug ^talk 23:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello, of course it would be possible to change the yellow background to white as far as colour blinds are concerned. These colours are a compromise made by French and German map labs and those who joined the discussion initiated by the French cartographers. They prefer precise specifications for mapmaking and use these colours even for other maps than location maps now. So this is a train in full speed and I don't know how to stop it and direct it to a different style. It's impossible for me to create these maps in lots of different styles and I am not the person to change the style because it has been a decision of many persons.

You might have read at en-wiki that some users even prefer more colourful versions as they are used to the so called "Indian" style which uses darker and more colours. They think it's too colourless. On the other hand you want to reduce colour. So what do you suggest how this might work? The compromise was made between different existing styles and by a group of users, not by a poll but at least made by several users who know to make maps.

Is this just your opinion to change yellow to white or the opinion of pl-wiki? (I don't understand Polish.) Regards, --NNW (talk) 21:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. The situation is too new, for anyone to be able to say with any certainty what the opinion of the pl-wiki is in the matter of changing from yellow to white, as you have put it. :) But it would be safe to say, that substituting or customizing pogs (locator icon) on these maps has become controversial for reasons of poor visibility. Of course, this is not the only objection to location maps, but it is one that could be simply fixed.

Perhaps the esteemed cartographers you mention have not considered the use of different map locators, but if we are to speak of opinions of entire wikis :), I think it would be safe to say, that the trend in the wiki interface design and governing its appearance is to let the user govern the look of the page via CSS.

Perhaps the train you speak off simply requires initiating one sensible discussion in a visible place? A white background could be the starting default, per common sense, and a gadget in user preferences on individual projects, could allow specifying the optional color of location map background? Just like the user preference does for the date format (please note that it defaults to "none"), or another, newly copied from en-wiki to pl-wiki, preference for hiding the fundraising banner? Just a thought. The argument for enhancing contrast is persuasive in and of itself, not just for the sake of the colorblind.

It would greatly speed the pace of map improvement and giving user control, if we were in unison on this issue. :)

Best to you, --Mareklug ^talk 23:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it's possible to change the colours via CSS, would be great, but that's a little bit different from hiding the fundraising banner. And even if it's possible that's only a solution for those who are logged into WP. Most people using WP don't have a user page and the possibility to change the look of an article but it's them WP is made for. I don't know if it's really a problem with the visibility of the pogs. You can make them bigger, I have seen them in almost every colour and even blinking ones. I would suggest you start a discussion and if there is a majority for a change of style I won't say No to it. I don't want to be negative but as far as I have seen the discussions it is impossible to find a widespread interwiki compromise (if CSS doesn't work) and in the end there will be a bunch of local projects who complain that they weren't asked. This isn't the first time I discuss location maps and it will not be the last one, I'm sure. (And I predict that a new discussion will bring map requests no one is able to produce in his sparetime: simple political maps, maps with shadings, maps with and without subdivisions etc. I'm curious who will make it...) --NNW (talk) 09:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

File:Turkey location map.svg

Hello, I'm working on a geolocation project at the hebrew wikipedia, first I wanted to say great work for all your maps. As for this picture it seems to have a problem. The geographic limits are incorrect or it's no an equirectangular projection. I think the geographic limits are incorrect because I tried to locate 3 site on the map and each one was a bit lower from where it should have been. I'd be glad if you could check it. Thanks, GilCahana (talk) 01:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Could you please tell me which three sites are shown at a wrong position? I will take these to check the map. --NNW (talk) 10:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry it was my mistake, I fixed my calculation system and it's perfect. GilCahana (talk)

Philippine location map

Hello NNW!

You really have good maps, can you please help improve the location map for the Philippines? The present location map (below) is not that good. Thanks -- Kleomarlo (talk) 09:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! A new location map will be produced for every country, so for the Philippines, too. It may take some time because I have a lack of time for it right now but of course I – or someone else – will do it. --NNW (talk) 16:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Kleomarlo (talk) 11:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Pakistan locator

Regarding File:Pakistan location map.svg, could you give different colors to different provinces? That would be better than all white image currently, which is difficult to estimate the location of a place. Thanks in advance, Doorvery far (talk) 07:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Borders already exist in the image, so filling in colors should not be as difficult. I have no idea of svg. Doorvery far (talk) 07:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

All maps of Category:Location maps (2008 standard) have the same style: no differences between subdivisions. This is the result of a cross-wiki discussion about the style of location maps. I cannot change it for just one country and against the consensus of all the other users. --NNW (talk) 09:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Germany general map.png

Hi, NordNordWest. File:Germany general map.png is currently undergoing a featured picture candidates review on en.wikipedia, and I was wondering if it was possible for the file to be made into an SVG, with the elevation embedded as a raster image. If you could respond on my en.wiki talk page (en:User talk:Spencer), that would be great. Thanks in advance for any response I may receive. Spencer (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Russland Relief.png File:Russland Relief Grau.png

Hello! Here some technical problems are described. As you also are the author of these images, may these informations will be interesting for you. Happy mapping, Bogomolov.PL (talk) 13:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

It's Lencer's map, I just made some minor corrections. --NNW (talk) 14:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

New version of the New Caledonia / Vanuatu map

Hi NNW!
I wanted to inform you that I made a new map for New Caledonia and Vanuatu because I used for the former one the Microsoft Encarta atlas, which is of course under copyright, so my former map can be considered a derivative work. Because of this I will ask shortly the deletion of these old versions, this including your translation as it is in the same case. I let you some days before making the request so you can save your map if needed and may be make a new version. Sorry for the mess.
The good point is that the new version is of much better quality, more accurate and complete, and doesn't have the errors of the first one.
This map is part of the action I take to make some cleaning among my older maps.
Greetings. Sting (talk) 01:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

It's okay. A translation isn't a big thing. Greetings, --NNW (talk) 09:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Karte Neukaledonien-Vanuatu.svg

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-Túrelio (talk) 09:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Siehe eins drüber. „Achte bitte auf Urheberrechte“ sehe ich in diesem Zusammenhang mal als etwas verunglückt an. --NNW (talk) 12:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Rivers of France - Merci

Hello !

I used once again your picture Image:Rhone bassin versant.png to identify some rivers on special maps. Thank you for your work. File:La Saône (carte) .jpg File:La Seille (bassin de la Saône)(carte).jpg File:L'Ognon (bassin de la Saône) (carte).jpg File:La Tille (bassin de la Saône) (carte).jpg File:La Vingeanne (bassin de la Saône) (carte).jpg File:Le Doubs (carte).jpg File:La Loue (bassin Doubs-Saône) (carte).jpg File:L'Ain (bassin du Rhône) (carte).jpg File:La Bienne (bassin Ain - Rhône) -carte).jpg PRA (talk) 13:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello! You should try to take the PNG format for maps. Looks much better than JPG. --NNW (talk) 14:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Location maps: problem with the width/height ratio

Hello NNW.
I'm creating a first physical map to match with one administrative location map made by the Kartenwerkstatt, in this case Italy created by you. But I've got a little problem about the size of the image: your map is 1,032 × 1,267 px wide while mine would be 1,032 × 1,299 px for the same geographic limits.
I use Global Mapper as GIS software, make the equi-rectangular re-projection specifying as central meridian and parallel the center of the final map. This gives me, I believe, the minimal deformation possible for the whole map as we can see for example here for the line Coefficient de déformation where the ratio is almost equal to < 1 >, indicating the horizontal and vertical scales are the same at the center of the map.
How do you make your projection? I also don't understand the meaning of your parameter N/S stretching. If I resize my map verticaly in a bitmap editor to an height of 1,267 px, it matches perfectly with yours.
Any explanation about this difference of size?
Greetings. Sting (talk) 14:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Okayyyy! Thanks a lot for these explanations. I was a bit worried about the way I was creating my maps ;-)

In fact I plan to use, for each physical location map which has already an administrative one, the data of this last (shorelines, boundaries). For that I will need to stretch the svg file to match the raster relief. Do you prefer I update the svg file on Commons at the same time I upload the physical map and ring you a bell to make the necessary changes in the templates or do you want to make the update by yourself?

Btw, what data do you use for the internal boundaries? I think they are pretty precise, much more than the WDB II ones, which btw aren't even complete.

Greetings. Sting (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

As you wish. Can you make this change for Italy (1,299 px high) as it's the one I'm working on currently? Thanks. Sting (talk) 12:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Great. And here it is. 'See' you until the next time for the others... ;-) Greetings. Sting (talk) 20:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Location vs Locator

Hello, you wrote to Ahnode: File:Estonia Harju location map.svg et alii are a locator maps, not a location maps. I do not understand, why. They are maps used to show the object via automatically generated pointer, as e.g. cs:Haapsalu. I thought they are location maps. --Mmh (talk) 14:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

(After your answer at my discussion page:) Then, they are really location maps, not locator maps. --Mmh (talk) 12:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

No, first of all they are locator maps which can be used as location maps. I don't know how to describe it better. --NNW (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Aha, then, I understand you now: they are locator maps which can be used as location maps. I have only used them as location maps, that is why I did not realize somebody would use them as locator maps. (For a locator map, I would turn the contrast much bigger, and I would not ask to keep the angle projection.) So, okay.

I am only afraid somebody could later replace them with some "better" locator maps, which could not be used as location maps. --Mmh (talk) 13:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think they are fine with a decent colour. Of course someday someone will come and will create new ones because this is WP. Just look e.g. here and have fun (of course I'm one of the idiots who created them :-) ). But I don't think they will be replaced because they are worse than some new ones, it's just a question of what colours you prefer. Some like it... well, no comment. Let's hope, this won't happen again. --NNW (talk) 13:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This poisonous green did almost kill me. ;-)

But, when I am looking at all the maps... Do you know somebody, who would have a fun to make some division maps of Estonian counties like those of Rhineland-Palatinate? Every Estonian county divides in several (till several tens) communities/parishes, and the locator maps of them are mostly missing, or they are in very different quality levels. --Mmh (talk) 19:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

(Oh, jetzt sehe ich, Du sprichst Deutsch! Warum schwitze ich hier über meinem holperigen Englisch? Nun ja, jetzt weiß ich's fürs nächste Mal...) --Mmh (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

(nach BK) Fun? I don't know. I'm busy with country location maps and some subdivisions. Municipalities are usually not my work right now. What about you? Nice work for a SVG training. Btw, I've seen you're EN-2 and DE-4. If you want to we can write in German, too (with me having a great advantage! :-) ) --NNW (talk) 19:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh ja, da waren wir beide nicht sonderlich schlau! --NNW (talk) 19:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, ich könnte zwar die Karten auch selber zu machen versuchen (man könnte sich zB. auf die freien Versionen vom estnischen Landesvermessungsamt stützen), aber es ist immerhin eine Mordsarbeit, und ich habe, gestehe ich, keine besondere Lust daran. Lieber schreibe ich etwas über die Gemeinden, als mache deren Karten.

Natürlich, wenn es kein anderer macht, werde ich es uU. irgendwann wohl machen, aber bisher habe ich die Hoffnung nicht aufgegeben, daß ich doch einen Graphik-Freak dafür finde. (Außerdem, mein alter Computer ist echt an seiner Leistungsgrenze, wenn ich die großen Vektorvorlagen öffne.) --Mmh (talk) 19:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Freie Versionen, wowowo? Vielleicht kann ich was halbwegs fix daraus machen. Ich hab nur keine Lust, alle Grenzen von 227 Kommunen zu zeichnen. NNW (talk) 19:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Korean peninsula map

Hello NordNordWest! We have a request at the Russian Graphic Lab to redo a map on Korean peninsula. I looked around and saw that you have made two separate maps, on North and South Koreas. I wonder if you could upload a single map, that would be very useful, because I haven't found it on commons. Thanks! --Ahnode (talk) 19:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll see if I can do it the next days. NNW (talk) 07:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

See file:Korea location map.svg. NNW (talk) 19:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! =) --Ahnode (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Maps of South African provinces

Hey!, I'm sorry, I fix it... thank you!!. --Addicted04 (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

file:Kreisbahn Rathenow-Nauen.png

Zitat von PS - Der schläfrige Bär! :"Da ist Dir eine schöne Karte gelungen, nur hat diese einen kleinen aber feinen Fehler trotzdem mein Kompliment. Nun zum "Fehlerchen" der Ort Wagenitz liegt rechts von der B5 und nicht linksseitig. Mir ist auch nicht bekannt, dass der Haltepunkte außerhalb der Ortschaft auf der anderen Seite der B5 gelegen war. Bei Selbelang hingegen stimmt deine Zeichnung, der Ort liegt oberhalb der B5 der Haltepunkt (heute Bushaltestelle) jedoch unterhalb der B5. Vielleicht kannst Du bei nächster Gelegenheit den Wagenitzer Ortskreis einfach ein paar Milimeter verschieben." -- 84.134.200.16 11:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Kein Problem, werde ich korrigieren. Vielen Dank, NNW (talk) 14:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Fertig. NNW (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: File:Saint-Pierre_and_Miquelon_EEZ_map-fr.svg

Hello NNW.
Good eye !! Many thanks for pointing out the mistake I made on the scale: you're right, it was 20 km too short (the length of the little black bar at the right of the km scale).
The one I draw as reference in the GIS software is 300 km long and I used its length in Inkscape to set the size of my scale, but I didn't pay attention that for the double-scale (km + mi) I used, the miles one is longer, so I should have set the length for the km scale and not its total length which corresponds to the miles scale. A newbie error !! It's now corrected.
I don't know how the map displays in Illustrator but I imagine the size ratio compared to the whole map is preserved. I don't care much about the size in cm: as you must know, the size alone doesn't mean much for a digital map, specially when it's a vector one. The scale I indicate (1:2,000,000) corresponds to the level of precision which is the most important. Of course, when you want to print the map, the precision scale and the linear scale both should match, but I leave this for the user (it's just a matter of size when printing) as I make maps here first for computer display.
About this “problem” of scales, I wrote a “paper” (in French) to help our Wikicartographers to understand better this subject. The second part of it would be “How to calculate the printing size of a map regarding its scale”, but I didn't write it as I'm not sure it will interest many people. You can also contact user:Alvesgaspar, a marine cartographer who guided me in this domain which was really helpful.
Greetings. Sting (talk) 13:55, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

locator maps auf Kreisebene NI, SH, MV, BB

Hallo NNW, Du hast es mitbekommen, und Dich ja auch dankenswerterweise an der Vorbesprechung zum Aussehen beteilgt: TUBS und ich haben (bis auf einen Landkreis, der noch fehlt), Niedersachsen mit locator maps zu den Ortsartikeln überzogen. Zwischenzeitlich habe wir auch Brandenburg vervollständigt, Schleswig-Holstein ist kurz vor der Vervollständigung und ich zumindest plane, das auch noch für Thüringen, Sachsen-Anhalt und möglicherweise Sachsen zu machen, da ist nicht mehr viel white space auf Rauensteins Karte. Mal sehen, wie lange der TUBS bei der Stange bleibt :-) Nun schlug er vor, in den Infoboxen der Kreisartikel auch die Karten "Lage von Kreis in NI" im grey scheme einzubauen. Das hätte den Vorteil, dass sich eine gewisse Einheitlichkeit ergibt, denn eine beschriftete Karte im grey scheme für die Kreisgliederung habe ich jeweils in diesen Kreisartikeln im entsprechenden Abschnitt schon verbaut. Auch würden wir zusätzliche Informationen (Flüsse, Meere, Nachbarn) in den Karten haben (imagemaps gibt es auch, aber das wäre keine Verbesserung gegenüber jetzt). Auch für Schleswig-Holstein, Meck-Pomm und Brandenburg würde ich das tun wollen. All das definitiv aber nicht gegen Dein Veto! Wie siehst Du das? --Hagar66 (talk) 15:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a wiki, da gibt's kein Veto. :-) Feel free, ich hatte das schon längst erwartet. NNW (talk) 16:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

„Es gibt kein Veto“ stimmt zwar, aber freundlich miteinander umgehen wollen wir hier schon, ich zumindest. Ich bedanke mich!

Das weiß ich sehr zu schätzen. :-) NNW (talk) 07:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

File:Alps-Mediterranean Euroregion map-de.svg, File:Liechtenstein topographic map-de.png

Hello! It should be Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur and Marseille is still Marseille in German.
While translating your map of Liechtenstein some Swiss users identified some mistakes: it's Schaanwald, not Schaanwal; Saxerriet isn't a village, it's just a prison; Wartau is the name of a municipality, the name of the village you named Wartau is Trübbach; there is a tunnel between Triesenberg and Malbun; Castle of Vaduz lies more to the North; boundaries and railway looks different in map and legend. Regards, NNW (talk) 17:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hallo NordNordWest! Thank you for your help to improve these maps.

It's done for the first, but I'm not the maker of the second map. This one is from Bourrichon.

Sémhur (talk) 18:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Ligue 1-Karte

Hallo NNW,

die Karte schaut toll aus. Könntest Du mir bei einer Karte für die griechische Liga behilflich sein? Habe keinen blassen Schimmer, wie das funktioniert. Koordinaten hätte ich.

Vielen Dank & liebe Grüße!--95.91.151.98 08:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Kann ich machen, dauert aber etwas. Wenn's klappt, dann nächste Woche. NNW (talk) 06:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Vielen Dank im Voraus! Das wären die Koordinaten (Auszug aus der englischen Wiki):

lat=38.036092 |long=23.787633 |label=AEK Athens
Atromitos
Panathinaikos
Panionios

lat=40.600069 |long=22.9695 |label=Aris
Iraklis
PAOK

lat=37.502431 |long=22.388399 |label=Asteras Tripolis

lat=35.336667 |long=25.106111 |label=Ergotelis

lat=40.625497 |long=22.967003 |label=

lat=40.925 |long=24.425 |label=Kavala |position=left

lat=39.649 |long=22.412 |label=Larissa |position=left

lat=38.435897 |long=22.882844 |label=Levadiakos

lat=37.946447 |long=23.664317 |label= |position=left

lat=37.943033 |long=23.709225 |label=

lat=41.114226 |long=25.396556 |label=Panthrakikos

lat=40.613838 |long=22.972324 |label=

lat=39.649 |long=20.9 |label=PAS Giannina |position=left

lat=41.119722 |long=24.9475 |label=Xanthi |position=left

Welche Daten werden sonst noch benötigt?

Oh, die Mühe hättest du dir nicht machen müssen. Hier ist sie. Gruß, NNW (talk) 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, vielen lieben Dank. Du bist ein Schatz ;-)--95.91.151.98 19:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Armenia location SVG

Dear NordNordWest, I saw that you created the Turkey location map.svg. I was wondering if you could make a similar map for Armenia, a neighboring (and much smaller) country. It would greatly increase the quality of some Armenia-related articles.

Much thanks, Serouj (talk) 10:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

There is a transwiki project to produce location maps of every country in the world in this style so Armenia will be done, too. I can put it on my priority list but I cannot say when I have the time for it. Before that I have to think about the Nagorno-Karabagh problem and how to handle it. NNW (talk) 10:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. Thank you for your reply NordNordWest and your great contributions to Wikipedia. I'll patiently wait for the maps. Best wishes, Serouj (talk) 16:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hemer (Grundkarte)

Hallo NordNordWest,

vielen Dank erst einmal für die Karten der früheren Gemeinden im heutigen Stadtgebiet von Hemer. Vielleicht weißt Du wie oder ob man eine Bilddatei umbenennen kann. Der Bildname der Grundkarte Hemer kann nämlich mit seinem Namen File:Karte Balve.png verwirren. Schöner wäre File:Karte Hemer.png

Wenn es ohne großen Aufwand änderbar ist, wäre es schön, wenn Du dies veranlassen könntest oder änderst. Gruß --Asio 20:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Karte Hemer.png ist jetzt vorhanden, Löschung von Karte Balve.png ist veranlasst. Einfaches Umbenennen geht wohl nicht. Keine Ahnung, warum ich die Karte unter diesem Namen hochgeladen habe, ein Moment geistiger Umnachtung vermutlich. :-) Gruß, NNW (talk) 07:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Anstiege TdF Alpen

Hi! Thank you for this great map: File:Karte Anstiege TdF Alpen.png. Is it possible to translate the map into English? That would be great! TIA, --NielsB (talk) 08:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello! Yes, of course it is possible. Regards, NNW (talk) 08:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Great! And so fast... Thankx! --NielsB (talk) 09:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Karte Bundesland Saarland und Nordrhein-Westfalen

Deine Karten sind echt Klasse. Jedoch hast du von den Bundesländern Saarland und Nordrhein-Westfalen keine angefertigt. Wäre das möglich nachzuholen? Dafür wäre ich sehr dankbar. --Anonym 18:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Das muss ich nicht, das haben schon andere längst erledigt: file:Saarland location map.svg und von NRW sogar einen ganzen Stall in der Category:Location maps of North Rhine-Westphalia. NNW (talk) 16:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images

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Hello, NordNordWest!

Tip: Add categories to your files

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]

[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 21:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• Image:Karte Linne.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.

Re file:Italy relief location map.jpg

Hello NNW. Thanks for the warning. I'll check this and make the needed corrections. Greatings. Sting (talk) 12:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

File:Jamaica location map.svg

Hello NordNordWest,

File:Jamaica location map.svg is in Category:Locator maps of Jamaica which is a subcategory of Category:Location maps of Caribbean so placing it also in Category:Location maps of Caribbean would, technically, seem to be an over-categorisation. Have I misunderstood that purpose of Category:Location maps of Caribbean by assuming it to be a parent in a hierarchy (as its name implies)? -Arb. (talk) 15:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I haven't seen that Category:Locator maps of Jamaica is a subcategory of Category:Location maps of Caribbean. Please read the disclaimer at Category:Location maps. If you follow the subcats from there you won't find a “locator map“ cat – exept yours. A "locator map" category never should be a subcat of a "location map" category because locator maps usually don't have the same characteristics as location maps. And they have a different purpose. I know that there is quite a confusion at Commons about the differences. There should be two independent categories for both of them. NNW (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Figured it might be something like that. What definitions do you use for "Locator" and "Location" in this context? -Arb. (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

• 
  Location map Germany
• 
  Locator map of Hannover district

Location maps are used by a Template:Location map to localize an object using its coordinates. They are more or less useless without this template: no names, no topic. Locator maps show an object and do not need a template or a marker for localization: something is highlighted yet. NNW (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Now very clear. It seems that the content of Category:Locator maps of Jamaica is mostly correct but:

a) it should not be a child of Category:Location maps of Caribbean

b) one or two location maps have snuck in. So a category Category:Location maps of Jamaica may be required. Or perhaps it/they are best left at the "Maps of" level. Will have to think about that. Thanks again. -Arb. (talk) 14:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

PS I've paraphrased your explanation as the lead paragraph of Category:Locator maps of Jamaica where it is seems most apposite. -Arb. (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Canadian Province Maps

Hi there NNW. While checkin the maps I found 2 problems.

• In file:Canada New Brunswick location map.svg northern to en:Bathurst, New Brunswick in 47.61814N 65.65112W should be water and not land
• In file:Canada Nova Scotia location map.svg Sable Island in 43.931472N 59.929722W should be a bit souther

Thanks for your work, GilCahana (talk) 13:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello! A small bay was missing in the free data of New Brunswick, it's added now. The differences between the position of Sable Island in the location map and the coordinates is imho below the accuracy of the data I used (and who knows if Google Earth data is correct) but I shifted the island a bit to the south so everyone is satisfied. :-) Here it looks fine, a perfect hit. NNW (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Karte referenzieren

Hallo NordNordWest,

kannst Du mir einen Tipp geben, wie ich Karten mit Koordinaten versehe, so daß ich sie dann als Location map verwenden kann, um dort die Lage von Orten anzeigen zu lassen? Mir ist schon klar, daß ich die Koordinaten angeben muß, die die geographische Begrenzung der Karte ausmachen. Aber der Rest ist mir unklar, denn die Größe (Pixel) der Karte spielt ja sicher eine Rolle und was hat es mit der Angabe z.B N-S-Streckung 130 % auf sich?

Konkret möchte ich die Karte mit Ujesdgrenzen aus der russischen Wikipedia verwenden oder eine ähnliche selber erstellen aus der historischen Karte auf der gleichen Seite. Evtl. später auch Einzelkarten als Location map für die Distrikte bzw. Ujesde.

Wäre dankbar über einen Hinweis oder Link, wo ich mich zu dem Thema einlesen kann.

--irina

Hallo!

Wichtig ist zuerst einmal die richtige Projektion. Hierzu findest du hier einige Hinweise. Wichtig ist die Verwendung einer Plattkarte, nicht Mercator oder ähnlichem. Bei schon verhandenen Karten ist es schwierig bis unmöglich herauszubekommen, welche Projektion sie haben. Da können die Vorlagen nur mit Lagefehlern genutzt werden. Die Werte bekommt man durch Try and Error.

Die Streckung wird hier, am Ende des Abschnitts, erklärt. Die Streckung ist für Positionskarten technisch gesehen nicht nötig, allerdings bekommen die Karten ohne Streckung ein ungewohntes Aussehen. Die ideale Streckung ergibt sich aus der Formel: 1 geteilt durch den Cosinus des zentralen Breitengrads der Karte mal 100. In der Regel habe ich den Wert gerundet. Wenn du weitere Fragen, nur zu. Ich freue mich über jeden, der in die Positionskarten-Herstellung einsteigen möchte. NNW (talk) 18:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

USA Maps

Thanks for your work. One thing in the Alaska map all the locations are a bit souther than they suppose to be. Another thing is you said that USA maps are completed but still there are no good maps for Oklahoma & New Jersey. GilCahana (talk)

There are file:USA Oklahoma location map.svg and file:USA New Jersey location map.svg. Perhaps I forgot to tell you. For Alaska I ask User:Alexrk who made this map to join the discussion. I cannot tell you anything about it. NNW (talk) 08:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've just rechecked the georeference of the Alaska map (have a look here) - couldn't find any relevant errors. Btw: I guess, the maps accuracy is about 0.05°/5km (due to the line thickness an image resolution), single points may vary up to 0.20° (due to generalization and displacements).

I also review the maps with help of GoogleEarth overlays. I've attached a KML file to the image on Commons. You can open it in GoogleEarth with the enclosed Link to the KML file. You might consider using GoogleEarth for all this QA work; which I think is far more easier, faster and reliable. At the moment I work on a tool that crawls through the location map templates and create one big KML file for all of them. --Alexrk2 (talk) 10:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

You mixed the W and E edges in your kml file. :-) NNW (talk) 11:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Fixed ...although magically it did worked. *shrug* :) --Alexrk2 (talk) 11:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

About the Alaska map I rechecked it and it's okay the parameters that someone else gave weren't accurate. By the way we check every map before we implement it to our template. You can see it in all the template's talk pages in he:קטגוריה:תבניות מיפוי לפי מדינה. As for the Oklahoma & New Jersey thanks I searched withouth the "USA", and by the way why aren't you using them in your template in the German wiki? GilCahana (talk) 14:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Now I know why I forgot to tell you about these two maps: I forgot to insert them into the templates. Quite inattentive, I must say. :-) NNW (talk) 15:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Senegal

Hallo NordNordWest,

Thank you so much for all the maps of the regions of Senegal you made, I am glad to use them on the French Wikipedia, but isn't there something wrong with this one : File:Senegal Kaolack locator map.svg ? (two separate parts)

Tchüss, Ji-Elle (talk) 05:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello, with the first upload I followed the French article about the Kaolack region telling me that the Département de Koungheul would be part of it. Later I found a correct source and changed it. Somehow the software doesn't show the newest version where it is correct. I hoped it would be a short-time problem but somehow it isn't getting better. NNW (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I simply uploaded it anew, now it's correct. :-) NNW (talk) 13:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup ! Ji-Elle (talk) 15:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Location map for Kingston, Jamaica

Hello again NordNordWest. I've been working recently on the en articles for several places in Kingston, Jamaica. These would benefit immensely from a location map of the city depicting some carefully chosen landmarks (eg major roads/parks/water features) and perhaps with a small inset showing the city's location on the island. Is this something you could help with? -Arb. (talk) 10:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, right now I'm very busy in real life so it's impossible for me to do this. Ever tried to use data from OpenStreetMap ? You can use this data to make a real map (not location map) with a simple graphic program. NNW (talk) 13:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Ibn Battuta journeys

I would like to create maps for the Wiki article on en:Ibn Battuta showing the journeys he undertook in the 14th century. I've noticed your wonderful location maps and thought you might be able to offer advice. I would prefer to create maps covering regions rather than use the individual country location maps.

I've tried using the OMC site but find that the results are very tedious to edit in Illustrator/Inkscape – partly because the maps consist of many separate sections. By googling I notice that there is a free software called GRASS GIS. Is this what you use? Would this software allow me to create suitable maps? For your country location maps you note that the data is from the "United States National Imagery and Mapping Agency" and "World Data Base II data". Is the data freely available on-line? Can I read the data into GRASS? Of course, I could always scan an atlas and trace the borders – but I hope that I can do better than this. Aa77zz (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

GIS software is usually quite complicated and not the software you should use to create a map with a good graphic, at least not as the only software. A lot of users work with en:Generic Mapping Tools (GMT), adding en:Adobe Illustrator or en:CorelDRAW for further work. Others prefer free software, so it's en:Inkscape instead of Illustrator. I cannot tell you anything about GRASS, never worked with it. And I never worked with GMT, either, but I know it's not so easy to handle in the beginning.

NIMA data is called en:Vector Map, links for download in the article. But it's no fun to work with it if you are not used to handle GIS data. And Level 0 has a scale of 1:1.000.000, that might be much to detailed for your purpose. WDB II might be better and it's less MB, you find it here.

Be sure that it is impossible to make good maps completely automatically and only with free data. Free data usually isn't up-to-date and automatically made gives you a map with lots of cartographical mistakes. I work with a graphic software and use free data but I control everything and correct where necessary. Sometimes tracing lines from a scan leads to better results. At least you have total control on what you are doing. :-) NNW (talk) 15:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for your helpful reply. I can now more fully appreciated the amount of manual intervention required in creating the elegant location maps. What I'm still not clear about is what GIS software you recommend to allow me to go from free GIS data to something I can edit in a drawing program. For instance, the CIA World DataBank II files look suitable – but I need software. GSHHS Shoreline Database may also be suitable – but again I have the software problem. Tracing an atlas is beginning to look more attractive! Aa77zz (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

You're right. I'm often using MAPublisher for this but I think this isn't the right solution for you. Perhaps you better ask User:Sting. As far as I know he has a workflow completely with free software. My workflow is sometimes a little bit strange for WP. :-) NNW (talk) 11:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

File:Streptopelia decaocto expansion.png

Hi NordNordWest - I was wanting to update this map to add in new areas colonised since 1973, but the map is not editable (other than extremely tediously!) because the colours are not solid, but grade into each other at the margins (so flood fill doesn't work). Can you make the colours solid please? I tried, but failed. - Thanks! MPF (talk) 19:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I'll have to see if it still looks okay then. Otherwise I can offer to add the new areas. Regards, NNW (talk) 16:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. But definitely less good looking. NNW (talk) 18:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Colombia (Kolumbien)

Hi NordNordWest!

Congratulations for your work. Your maps are impressive, very well-worked; I try to do the same with the territory of my country. I want to know if you could provide the coordinates of this map File:Colombia location map2.svg, it seems to me more useful than I did previously, because the former included a large part of the sea was not necessary for effects of location. Perhaps this map should be used within the wiki instead of the others previous maps (File:Colombia location map.svg, File:Mapa Localizador Colombia.svg and File:Mapa Localizador Colombia2.svg)

Thanks for your attention. Shadowxfox (talk) 01:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Obviously you also know how to make maps. :-) I'll try to find out the coordinates, no problem. Perhaps I can do this tomorrow.

It has been a very good idea to crop the map, now mainland Colombia is much better to see. I would like you to change three things:

a) These location maps are the administrative version of every country map. In a second step every country shall get a physical map, too. This is already done for e.g. France or Italy. In the physical version there can be much more rivers than in the administrative version because there the provinces are the first thing that should be recognized. So it would be great if you could make the province boundaries a bit thicker and reduce the number of the rivers. They can all be shown in the physical version of the Colombia location map. Don't forget that location maps are used only in a small width in infoboxes, about 250 or 300 pixels in most cases. Too many elements in a map confuse the users of WP.

• 
  adminstrative version, only the most important rivers
• 
  physical version, much more rivers

b) Right now there are no boundaries shown when they follow a river. This is not a problem for Colombia, there is the yellow colour showing the area. But it looks as if Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica would be one country. Please add the missing lines, it looks a bit strange that it is not clear where Ecuador ends and Peru begins, same with Peru and Brazil. I usually draw the boundary parallel to the river so that both can be seen.

c) In the end there are some users especially at he:WP who prefer a clear file name system. Please upload file:Colombia location map2.svg as file:Colombia location map.svg and vice versa. As you are the creator of both files it's an easy thing to do and both maps are still available. The main location map shouldn't have a number in its file name but just follow the rule <name of country> location map.svg. That would be great and would lead to an easier handling. Best regards, NNW (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, NNW !

I uploaded a new version of the maps that I told you before, you can see them here:

• 
  Colombia location map.svg
  adminstrative version
• 
  Colombia location map2.svg
  physical version

Now, because in the german wikipedia is used the previous version of the first map, is necessary to provide correct coordinates and to fix this template to correct the positioning errors of cities and other sites. The second map is my own version of physical map, according to data obtained from the Institute of Geography of Colombia - IGAC (Instituto Geográfico Agustín Codazzi). Sorry if it is not like your physical maps, but I don't know how to draw 3-d relief maps in svg format.

I hope you like the changes I made to both maps. Good luck ! Shadowxfox (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Uh, you are faster than me! :-) I'll hurry with the coordinates. Looks great, and thanks for the file change. Btw it isn't me who creates the physical versions, it's usually Sting from fr:WP or Lencer and Alexrk2 at de:WP. I'm busy creating the administrative versions. Best regards, NNW (talk) 09:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

A little bit difficult as Commons still shows me the old version here but as correct as it has been possible I inserted the coordinates into the file description. Perhaps I need to correct it (but only a bit) when the map is shown uptodate. NNW (talk) 10:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Frankfurter Kreuz

Hi. Also erstmal Respekt für deine beeindruckenden Karten. Bei der Frankfurter Kreuz Karte ist allerdings ein kleiner Fehler: die Aufweitung der nördlichen Verflechtungsfahrbahn der A3 kurz vor dem Zusammentreffen mit der Rampe Kassel->Köln fehlt ;) die Fahrbahn verläuft danach auch nicht zwei- sondern dreistreifig zum linken Bildrand weiter. Könntest du das noch ändern? Gruß und schonmal Danke im Vorraus. anonym 22:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Stimmt, da hab ich was übersehen. Werde ich korrigieren. Danke für den Hinweis! NNW (talk) 10:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ist korrigiert. NNW (talk) 16:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Algeria location map

Hi, could please make the Algeria location map and Algeria relief location map please.

There is already one [5], but it does not show the wilayas [6] and the map is false, the city is not located correctly. Here you can see the correct location [7]. Regards --Morisco (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The infobox should use fr:Modèle:Géolocalisation/Algérie, that map works fine in several projects until I'll find the time to make a map following the new style. I'm quite busy right now so it might take some time. And I have enough to do to create the administrative versions, so I cannot make a relief version also. Someone else has to so. Regards, NNW (talk) 16:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi thank you. You can work on this map when you have time. Good continuation --Morisco (talk) 17:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Dimensions of File:Western_Sahara_location_map.svg

Hi NNW !
I'm working on the relief location map of Western Sahara, and like for the map of Italy, can you please resize your location map, keeping its height but with a width of 1472 px (instead of 1539 px) so it will have the correct dimensions for an equirectangular projection centered on the map ? Thanks. Sting (talk) 21:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. NNW (talk) 12:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks. Sting (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Bundesautobahn 98 Planung.png

Hallo Auf der Karte sind zwei kleine Neuerungen. Die A7 und die A96 sind beide fertiggestellt.

19:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Korrigiert. Danke für den Hinweis! NNW (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Taiwan location map.svg

Hi, respectful author. I found a tiny mistake on the File:Taiwan location map.svg, the border between Yunlin & Chiayi county is a bit off. could you fix that? --Kerry7374 (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for the hint! It's corrected now. NNW (talk) 11:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks a lot!! --Kerry7374 (talk) 11:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Dimensions of File:Switzerland_location_map.svg

Hello NNW. Same as previously, can you resize the height of this location map to 865 px ? Thanks. Sting (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Thanks for keeping an eye on our map workshop on WP-fr and attending some of the demands there.

Hallo NNW. Wollte nur darauf aufmerksam machen, dass die Grenze Schweiz zu Deutschland bzw. Oesterreich im Bodensee nicht sichtbat ist, aber im Genfersee (Schweiz zu Frankreich) schon.

Moin! Danke für den Hinweis. Allerdings fehlt die Grenze bewusst, da sie im Obersee nicht festgelegt ist, siehe auch de:Bodensee#Territoriale Zugehörigkeit. Daher wird bei vielen Karten auf ein Einzeichnen verzichtet. NNW (talk) 10:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. The physical map has been uploaded. Greetings. Sting (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Former Yugoslavia location map

Could you please create a Former Yugoslavia location map similar to the en:Template:Location map Central Europe? It would come in handy for mountains that overlap two countries like en:Dinara and en:Kamešnica. PRODUCER (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I can put it on my work list. It will take some time, I'm quite busy right now. NNW (talk) 10:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)