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Lion Gardiner

Hi, I am writing a book that includes noted military engineer and Indian fighter Lion Gardiner. You have a very cool photograph of him that I think you took yourself.

Can I have written permission from you to use that photograph in my book?

I will give a photograph courtesy to you if you want, I'd really appreciate it if you let me use that photograph of his tomb in my book.

Corey — Preceding unsigned comment added by KidCorey (talk • contribs) 19:22, 07 January 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't mine. I just uploaded it to the commons. ----DanTD (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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category name

Someone recently created a Category:Wayside Park for my photos of the rest area in Hamilton County, Florida along US41. I think that category name isn't descriptive enough. If I was to follow my other naming conventions for rest areas in Georgia, I think the category should be named "U.S. Route 41 wayside park, Hamilton County, Florida". Also, they created a category called Category:Suwanne River boat ramp. Besides being misspelled, as I don't know how many other boat ramps could be along the Suwannee River, I think that category should be renamed "Suwannee River boat ramp (Hamilton County, Florida)". What do you think? --Mjrmtg (talk) 02:23, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

"Wayside Park" would make a great generic category for other wayside parks. I think I'm going to add it to that one on US 301 south of Coleman, Florida. ----DanTD (talk) 02:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Chevrolet

Hi, DanTD!

Thank you very much for your very wellcoming annotations and changements of category. That's true, I'm not a great specialist of americans cars Template:^^... In this view, I'm gonna to rename correctly my files imports.

Have a very nice day;

Best regards;

Ruyblas13 (talk) 14:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Ruyblas13 (talk) 14:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Category creation

Hey, in general, I usually don't create a category for a railroad station unless it has at least three images on Commons (unless it's a former station that's a subcategory of a current station, in which case I'll do it at two to separate the historical images from the current ones). Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

That's understandable. I try not to do it myself. However with the recent crusade to obliterate the naming structure we had before on station articles, I had to do something. Any station with only one image, I tend to leave alone though. This is why I didn't make a lot of station galleries of LIRR and New York City Subway stations until I added more pictures on previous vacations. ----DanTD (talk) 23:09, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Give it a rest with complaining about the naming. Yes, it's a poor structure. Yes, I was against it too. But at this point you can either keep complaining, or you can suck it up and spend your time creating content instead. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

1)I thought you were on my side about this. 2)Since I don't have much of a chance of getting near the Boston Metro Area anytime soon, creating the categories is creating content for me. Since you're part of that area though, you can always add more images. ----DanTD (talk) 18:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

What do you think this is, a war? It's a collaborative effort, and that requires cooperation, and gracefully conceding when you disagree with consensus. If you're just repeating the same arguments over and over - and antagonizing people you could be collaborating with - then you're pretty much at the Old Man Yells at Cloud stage. I agree with you about the policy, but the immature way you have been acting makes me uninterested in discussing anything to do with it. You can either keep on yelling and making yourself unhappy, or you can grudgingly accept it and go back to the kinds of editing that actually make you happy.

I don't like USSTATIONS a whit more than you do, but I've settled on respecting that it is a consensus view that has the support of a number of the most prominent rail editors (not just pushy admins). Most of the technical bugs have been worked out; Mackensen and others have worked out that the stations template for each rail operator can work as a lookup table to properly redirect the disambigs, so it's just a matter of making sure editors who move pages properly fix the links. Commons is still an issue, but at this point it's pretty much down to edge cases which can be handled one at a time. So other than a sense of "that looks right" - which is still my principal attraction to the old-style disambiguation - most of the reasons I opposed it in the first place have been fixed.

I can't magically produce images out of nowhere; I need the time and funds to take them and the time to upload them. If you're creating categories because they're needed, that's legitimate content creation. But if you're just creating them out of spite, then that's frankly counterproductive and makes my editing more difficult. If you're editing while spiteful, then you should probably step back and either do something off Wikipedia, or something unrelated. (When I've frustrated, I start sorting Category:Tone-mapped HDR images by country and subject, and I'd love your help). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:49, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I never expected you to create any images out of nowhere, and spite has nothing to do with my reason for creating them. As I stated I prefer not to create categories with only one image, and sadly I've seen too many of those. Two is as low as I'll go, but we can both agree that more is always better. As for the suggestion that you can add images, I just thought you might be interested in doing so, because I knew you were into them. And if not you, anyone else who's got a thing for New England-related railroad stations. ----DanTD (talk) 21:08, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

MTA blizzard

I noticed that MTA released many snowy pictures and you sorted them by place, etc. Ought they also go in Category:January 2016 United States winter storm or more likely a not yet made NY subcat? Jim.henderson (talk) 03:36, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I think they should. But I wanted to concentrate mostly on sorting them in specific MTA divisions first. I ----DanTD (talk) 04:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

File(s) appeared in Category:Pages using Information template with incorrect parameter

Hello DanTD, it seems that your latest changes or uploads of the file(s) Christ Church Hartford CT.JPG broke a template. This assumption has been made because the file(s) appeared in the maintenance Category:Pages using Information template with incorrect parameter. To fix this issue please check this category for further information. If the file(s) is/are not contained in the maintenance category anymore someone else already did the work and you can ignore this message. Thank you for your cooperation. --ArndBot (talk) 09:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Photograph dates

This question arises from File:Oyster Bay Station Turntable-2-.JPG, where you're using Category:Photographs taken on 2008-05-07. The date parameter in the information template uses custom formatting (it reads [[w:|May 7]], [[2008]]), which prevents localisation, and also prevents the use of the {{Taken on}} template, which would allow the section to be autotranslated and to transclude your taken-on category. Would you mind if I replaced this text with the template? I don't want to remove the links to the dates if they're important to you. Nyttend (talk) 14:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

These look good. Let's see what happens when you do. ----DanTD (talk) 17:25, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE - Go for it. I've got plenty of images that are marked in the custom formatting that can be fixed. ----DanTD (talk) 17:34, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

For some reason

I love the sign at Category:Philadelphia Keystone Marker. Your pix let me know it's there. Got some new ones. Thanks. Smallbones (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Blockhouses

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Historic_American_Buildings_Survey,_Arnold_Moses,_Photographer_May_12,_1936,_VIEW_FROM_THE_PARK._-_Block_Houses_%28Nos._1_and_2%29,_Central_%28110th_Street%29_and_Morningside_Parks_%28123rd_HABS_NY,31-NEYO,33-4.tif&diff=193669909&oldid=151898907 : Are you saying, in effect, that you are firmly identifying this as Blockhouse No. 1 at 110th Street, not Blockhouse No. 2 in Morningside Park? Because both face pretty similar rows of brownstones. Just asking because there wasn't much of an edit summary, and I want to make sure this wasn't just "drive-by" because you saw 110th Street in the filename. - Jmabel ! talk 04:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Nah, you're right. It'd be better to just undo my edit and focus on a category that's closer to that area, like Category:Morningside Park (New York City). I was hoping for more than just the 1110th Street category later on. ----DanTD (talk) 13:07, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I see your new edit, but I think you may not get the point. (If you do, then my apologies for beating a dead horse.) There are two of these blockhouses. One is on the north edge of Central Park, at 110th. The other is a little under a mile from there, in Morningside Park. The HABS photographer was taking pictures of both as an assignment, and several titles (including this one) don't distinguish which of the two are in the particular photo. That's why I had it in an "unidentified locations" category. It could probably be worked out by someone who knew the two streets well, especially someone who knew how they looked historically. I'm from New York, but haven't lived there in years, and Google street view wasn't enough for me to work it out. - Jmabel ! talk 16:27, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I am very familiar with #1 and have visited it many times. It is correctly located at 40°47′55″N 73°57′22.8″W which was once mapped as 108th Street, which was never built. I haven't heard of a location for #2 until now, and Google Earth fails to show me any suggestion of it, nor of the residential buildings depicted, at 123 St and Morningside Park. Perhaps next week I'll have time to bike up there and check it properly. Jim.henderson (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Jacksonville library

Why did you remove four categories of File:Old Jacksonville Free Public Library, Jacksonville, FL, US (26).jpg? It is a close-up detail of that building. Bubba73 (talk) 16:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

The categories already exists within the Jacksonville Library category itself, making them redundant. ----DanTD (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

OK. Bubba73 (talk) 19:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Also for the record, Category:Woman's Club of Jacksonville is in the same boat, so I'm going to delete those duplicate cats as well. ----DanTD (talk) 22:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

North Philadelphia station

There is absolutely no reason to keep Category:North Philadelphia (Amtrak-SEPTA station). It uses a naming convention that was never used on commons or enwiki except for this station, with an incredibly awkward double parenthetical. The article was renamed on enwiki by a convention that, whether you and I like it or not, currently has consensus. By the principle of least surprise, the commons category should be by the same name. Given that there are no links from elsewhere on the internet to the commons category, there is no purpose to keep it except for your quixotic campaign. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Actually we have used names like this on other stations before. In the meantime, "North Philadelphia station" should only be a disambiguation because as you obviously know there's another "North Philadelphia station" on the Broad Street Line. There's also nothing quixotic about my efforts to thwart this destructive renaming crusade that has been taking place over the past two to three years. ----DanTD (talk) 21:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

And there's a very easy way to solve that: Category:North Philadelphia station (Broad Street Line). Simple, still clearly distinguishes, and no need for awkward doubled parentheticals. The mainline station was there decades earlier, it serves two separate lines, and it is served by two separate companies, all of which make it preferable to have no parenthetic disambiguation. It's not about perfection, it's about names that work, and (Amtrak-SEPTA station) simply does not work.

USSTATION, as imperfectly thought out as it is, is policy on enwiki. The community has decided to use it there, and with very rare exceptions category names on Commons should match the enwiki article (or if the primary article is in another language, sometimes that). The actually destructive parts of it have been addressed - those making moves are now primarily WP:TRAINS members or outside administrators who have worked with enough of the articles to actually know what they're doing, coordination of Commons links is handled by Wikidata, system-by-system name templates do a nice job with s-rail links and so on. It doesn't matter whether you like the naming policy or not, it doesn't matter how much it offends your sensibilities, what does matter is that you actually work with the community instead of shaking your fist at the sky. You've been told this many times. You waste so much time being angry about this instead of contributing content. Take pictures, transfer free-use images from elsewhere, write history, create commons categories, categorize images, revert actual vandals, train new editors - there are a hundred things you can do that actually make Wikipedia unambiguously better. Why are you instead trying to undo the work of others? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:45, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's something you have to realize; I actually tried to stick to the "BSL station," for Broad Street Line stations, "MFL station" for the Market-Frankford one, etcetera, but WP:Philadelphia insisted they named them all SEPTA stations, and only use Broad Street/Market-Frankford/Regional Rail/etcetera. I didn't like it, but it still seemed fairly reasonable. This recent campaign isn't. Not only does this disrupt the Train-related projects, but it disrupts other projects as well. This is what makes it a vandalism campaign. So, yes this crap does make me angry, but not without reason, as you imply. I've only undid actions that are wrong, and this campaign is one of them. I know you're not as much of a fan of this either, but unlike you, I still refuse to go along with it. As for your other recommendations, I've been doing this whenever I can. The only pictures for WP:Trains I'll be able to get will be after my next NYC trip. Beyond that, I don't even what to look at what becomes of these articles. ----DanTD (talk) 04:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

First off: good-faith edits supported by consensus are never vandalism. Ever. If you don't understand that then you should not touch anything related to station names. As long as you have a combative attitude about station names, no matter whether you think you're morally correct or not, you are doing more harm than good. I've had to spend an hour of my time talking to you in order to get a pair of useless and unused redirects deleted - I could have uploaded two dozen of Hikki Nagasaki's images in that time. I am going to continue constructing a category structure as supported by consensus; whether you like the names or not, if you disrupt that then I will report you for disruptive editing.

The tl;dr of the rest: Acronyms that aren't widely known (i.e, anything other than transit agency names and the NYCS divisions) are a poor choice and the wikiproject was right to oppose them. But I've seen nary a peep from any local wikiproject (other than NYCT which has worked things out just fine) about USSTATIONS - it's not disrupting their content-building work at all. As I said in my last message, WP:TRAINS has worked out the kinks for the vast majority of station names during moves, and individual move requests work out the rest. If there is indeed an issue with the Broad Street Line station name, then that's something that should solved by talking calmly to WPT and WPPhilly, not by reverting edits.

You are doing great work with the station photos - keep it up! If you ever are looking for stuff to take pictures of in Florida, there are literally hundreds of articles that need photos. They may not be trains, but your skillset would be of use there. I've had some fun grabbing NRHP photos when I'm in areas away from transit. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think of these as good faith edits, though. I think of them as some people who didn't like the structure we had, and tried to get rid of them. US:STATIONS uses to allow this kind of standard identification. Now they're making it illegal, and I see what they're doing as causing nothing but problems. Most of the people advocating this change were from outside of the United States, so when the debate over the naming conventions of station in other countries came to light, as much as I wanted to recommend the naming convention we had at the time, I stayed out of it, because I felt it was too hypocritical for me to make these suggestions after they tried to use "European standards" on us. You also claimed that I "waste so much time being angry instead of contributing content." I feel that the people behind this renaming drive should spend more time contributing content than doing all this renaming. As for needed pictures in Florida, some of what's listed I've taken, and others I might be able to grab. But there are also other non-railroad related images in New York I'd like to get too. ----DanTD (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

File:Stripped Oshkosh House Mover 002.jpg

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Sign category for this?

Is there already a category for this type of sign? File:U.S. Route 319 roadside park, Telfair County 5.jpg I didn't know what to look for. Thanks in advance. --Mjrmtg (talk) 11:52, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

I found one that seems close enough. ----DanTD (talk) 13:27, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, does Georgia Department of Transportation have a link about this and other roadside parks? I don't see it in their page on rest areas, and I want a better reference to it than my fledgling attempt to add the commons category in my future article on U.S. Route 441 in Georgia. ----DanTD (talk) 13:11, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I've been searching for links about roadside parks in Georgia but haven't found any yet. I'm still searching as I'd like to see the list also. I did find a link to the McRae topo map that shows the roadside park. http://ngmdb.usgs.gov/img4/ht_icons/Browse/GA/GA_Mc%20Rae_246334_1972_24000.jpg --Mjrmtg (talk) 11:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Just an update - I sent a email to the Georgia Department of Transportation asking if they had a list of roadside parks. They referred me to [www.grpa.org] the Georgia Recreation and Park Association. I sent them a email requesting if they had a list and their response was that they are a private,non-profit trade association for city/county recreation departments and do not have a list of roadside parks. I found a interesting web site on Rest Area History [1] but haven't emailed anyone there yet. They also have a Facebook page. --Mjrmtg (talk) 17:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

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deleted files

how can i see deleted files to check their copyright ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tunisianball777 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

File:Perryville MARC; Amtrak Passes by the Tower.jpg

Are you particularly attached to File:Perryville MARC; Amtrak Passes by the Tower.jpg? I assume there was a purpose you uploaded it for, but right now it's unused and could be easily replicated with a two images template (that linked to the original high-res images) if needed. I'm doing some cleanup / duplicate deletion / categorization of NEC station images; if you don't see a need to keep it then I can probably delete it as a duplicate. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:44, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

For that matter, how about the gallery Perryville (MARC station) as well? Galleries for mid-sized categories are mostly a relic of the past, and this one in particular doesn't serve much of a purpose. A suitable expansion of the history section in the article would probably add 2-4 images anyway, with much more direct relevance. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:49, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The purpose of that was to show the train passing by and the tower at the same time, as a supplement to the main station image. Galleries serve as image descriptions from back in the day when linear galleries were more acceptable. ----DanTD (talk) 19:08, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Hamilton County Inspection Station

I have photos I'm going to upload of the Hamilton County Inspection Station on Interstate 75. Do I put this under Weigh Stations in Florida? --Mjrmtg (talk) 00:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

It seems like this could be the only appropriate place for them. Speaking of weigh stations, I moved the one on southbound I-95 in Georgia back to the southbound Welcome Center, since the two are integrated into one another. ----DanTD (talk) 02:51, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Junius Street station

Nope, taken from the platform. Mitch32^{(Never support those who think in the box)} 22:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Bridge at 13th Street

See the page history for the full story. Nyttend (talk) 14:45, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Category:Media needing categories as of 4 May 2014

Looking for other things I chanced upon this fairly rich lode of old maps via NYPL. Earlier and later days are also likely prospects, but I'll be busy with other things mainly outdoors for the next day at least and probably longer. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Crescent Street station

Thanks for moving the files Crescent Street station at Fulton Street. I found the construction particularly and without further knowledge placed under that name. --Jos1950 (talk) 02:27, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

City hall/town hall

Take it up with Nyttend. He deleted all state City Hall categories. Til its resolved, I'm putting it back in town halls so its not "lost". Famartin (talk) 02:06, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I have, and so have a lot of other people. Check his talk page. People have been telling him he shouldn't have deleted it but he refuses to budge. I've been trying to keep the city hall and village hall categories alive even as a red-cat so the more correct ones aren't lost. --DanTD (talk) 13:40, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!!!

Thanks a lot for all the files you're categorizing and, so, the hand you give here. Cheers ! LW² \m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 05:53, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Uploads by Andrew Parodi

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