Commons:Upload Wizard feedback/Archive/2011/06

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Some quibbles

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I love it when uploading multiple files. However:

1) No links to DerivativeFX at all, Flinfo, and other tools at all. Users should be presented with those options as well.

You're right and this is a flaw. However, I'm not sure how to bring DerivativeFX into this flow without ruining the usability for the common case. NeilK (talk) 18:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

2) Over-reliance on flash thingies. Please provide an HTML version with the same steps for those of us with unreliable connections. Obsidi♠nSoul 16:26, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

There's no Flash. This is all HTML+JavaScript. If we were allowed to use Flash this would have been 10x easier. As for unreliability we may have some better news for you soon. NeilK (talk) 18:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Adding {{Flickrreview}}

I noticed that many files uploaded by the Upload wizard have {{Flickrreview}} added, while there is not the slightest relation to Flickr. In most cases these are files uploaded with a {{PD-USGov}}. Perhaps this is due to a software error. Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 19:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

There's a bug for this now: Bugzilla: 29346 NeilK (talk) 18:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Files lost + titleblacklist + license problems + watchlist

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I have just uploaded three files with this tool. I have seen the following problems:

  • I have seen that new tool has a mass upload and wanted to try it. It resulted in the fact that the first file was uploaded immediately, however, I have been waiting for the second one for well some 15 minutes. It looks like it got lost... How long does this wizard normally works?
    UPD. I received a message "Some uploads have failed" (it took this tool 15 minutes to realize it) and asked to try again. It keeps showing "Submitting details and publishing...". I can't stop, retry, come back etc. So finally after having waited for 25 minutes I closed this wizard, losing all the information I added (where is the Back button???) and leaving the photo uploaded... somewhere, I don't know exactly where. Thanks to developers for great 25 minutes I've spent making this tool work. However, the tool wins — NickK (talk) 23:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, failure in the final step is very annoying - sorry you experienced this. This is caused by API failures, some of which we may be able to catch, some of which we won't (but in which case we should fail more gracefully). We're working on a short-term fix to at least make it possible to remove uploads that are failing so that the entire batch doesn't get stalled, while working on tracking down more of the bugs that cause stalling in the final step.--Eloquence (talk) 02:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I think that the best short-term fix should be some kind of Back button. If your upload fails, you loose all description information you added. More files you upload at once, the higher is the possibility of bug (mine occured at 2nd of 2), so the higher is the possibility you'll have to type it once more... — NickK (talk) 00:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • For unknown reasons I couldn't add an OTRS permission to license field, moreover, there is no way to add a generic license like {{Victoria Sydorova}} (OTRS permission template), so I had to select the closest relevant license and add it to Other field, than change it manually. I tried selecting that none of the above choises is good, the useful wizard offered me to leave the form... Maybe it is really the only solution...
  • I don't know how the titleblacklist works. I tried to upload a photo of a footballer Junior Godoi. I've received a warning that this photo was taken from some external resource and I should change the name. Well, I did, thanks to someone's logics, Godoi Junior suprisingly worked. However, 15 minutes have passed, and this file hasn't arrived yet...
For debugging purposes, can you send me a copy of the file as originally named to erik(at)wikimedia(dot)org?--Eloquence (talk) 02:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Special:Upload had no problem uploading exactly the same file under exactly the same name: File:Junior Godoi2.jpg. Original URL is http://cs10102.vkontakte.ru/u12051500/135246113/x_ca4f5990.jpg, I saved picture locally as Junior_Godoi2.jpg (NOT as x_ca4f5990.jpg), I didn't change anything and tried uploading it with UploadWizard — NickK (talk) 00:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I didn't find how to add the photo to the watchlist. I usually watch all my uploads, but this tool doesn't have this option. As it does not offer direct link to the file, I have to go through My Contributions, open the file and press "Watch". Or I can copy and paste file name, but this solution is not much better. Why this simple button was removed?
  • I don't mention the speed. It looks like it uploads interface longer than the files

So I have only one question. Although I have "Exclude me from feature experiments" and "Use the old-style upload form layout" marked in my preferences, I can't come back to old form by default. I would appreciate any advice on doing that. Thanks NickK (talk) 22:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The easiest thing to do is to just bookmark Commons:Upload, Special:Upload or whatever form you prefer (there are quite a few variants). Volunteers are actively developing a "NoUploadWizard" gadget which you can find in your preferences, but which may not quite be working yet.--Eloquence (talk) 02:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I've already found it, it works ok, thanks. I think that UploadWizard is a good idea, and I remember trying it during the previous campaign, it was like winter or spring 2010, but it was much faster and much more reliable — NickK (talk) 00:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
"Improved navigation. First osition: Disable UploadWizard" So true Bulwersator (talk) 23:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
It is not working Bulwersator (talk) 23:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Please return the old upload form to default

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This new upload wizard is really awkward and virtually unusable, at least to me. I tried to upload a derivative of a file from Commons and was unable to, and had to get back to the old form. This new thing really is a nuisance, please disable it or place it somewhere else, but return the old form to default. Darwin Ahoy! 08:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I even tried to upload the image normally, but was barred by the wizard for whatever reason, it kept saying my upload failed. Indeed, I didn't even found out how to write down the image information, since it attempted to upload it right away (and then failed saying it dodn't had description, licence or wathever). My first experience with this was really bad and annoying, including the vast time it took to load that cartoon intro, or whatever it was, before being allowed to move to the old upload form. Maybe it's me, since so many people seem to like it. I'm not good with this "user experience" based stuff, I hate Vector as well, with all my heart.-- Darwin Ahoy! 14:45, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
The new thing is terrible to upload derivative works contrary to old method Bulwersator (talk) 23:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Wizard should allow rename of files on first step

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I went back to this thing to find out what went wrong with my experience, and why I found it so annoying. I was trying to upload some derivatives of Commons files, which still had the same name of the original file. That's why it never allowed me to go after first steep.

This wizard should allow the rename of files, as any other upload tool that I know. If it remains as it is, besides not allowing the rename of files with the same name as files already on Commons, it will increase greatly the number of files with typos, wrong descriptions or pure nonsense. Darwin Ahoy! 23:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The current behavior is that if you're uploading a file with the same name, you should definitely be able to get past the first step -- it'll only prompt you to change the title in the "Describe" step. It won't allow you to go past the first step if you're uploading a file with the same content as an existing one, or if you're uploading a file that was previously deleted. Can you confirm whether that's the behavior you're seeing?
Also see my comment above: #uploading of derivative works.--Eloquence (talk) 02:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmm... I couldn't reproduce the behaviour in my test, and actually (unfortunately) managed to upload a file with the wizard for the first time. There were two things there that confused me: First it asked to upload a file before asking the licences and the rest of the stuff. I would expect that the command there would be next and not upload. Then before what I believed was a last step ("Use" or something like that), with a button saying next, it actually uploaded the thing, to my despair, since it was a test picture and I was expecting to cancel it in the end: File:HusenilMuhammadAfandia.jpg. It should be made more obvious that that "next" button is indeed the "upload" button, and you don't have another chance to cancel. On the other hand, the first "upload" is quite confusing, since it doesn't upload anything (at least to Commons). I also don't like that "donate" message, though I could live with that.-- Darwin Ahoy! 03:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
The new Wizard should let users upload images using filenames of images deleted earlier. By now this is only permitted by the old form. This bug should be fixed. Regards, /Orrling (talk) 20:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Good but

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I like the upload wizard. I have used it to upload 19 photos. It works well except for the description. Since I have used the wizard no description appears in that field of the file list. Shiftchange (talk) 09:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

PLEASE LET ME MOVE FORWARD

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I see the cartoon. I love the cartoon. I have no idea how to move to the next step. Clicking on the cartoon: no. Clicking on an 'OK' badge? no. Clicking on 'Upload' at the top? no. I have to scroll around and find a tiny uncolored 'Next'.

Can you put the Next at the top of the page AND make all of the 'OK' sections imagemap to the next step AND make the bar at the top take you to the next step?

Love. SJ --SJ+ 07:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. SPQRobin (talk) 13:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

One error?

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cant see what is not right, it says one error Kristoff1 (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Prefer old form

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The old form directed me to specific types of uploads, such as flickr, own work, derived from commons etc. The new form just makes uploads harder. agr (talk) 13:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

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Zabi Rashidi (talk) 15:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

How much time left ...

before normal upload form shutdown? Must be on FAQ! NVO (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean? The normal upload form can't be shut down, it's immensely more useful than this experiment or newbies toy. I'm not planning to use this damn Wizard as my choice of preference any time soon.-- Darwin Ahoy! 18:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Where do you think it's going to? A. Normal upload form is broken [1]. B. Sue Gardner said - gadgets and widgets. C. Who will use them when the normal tool is still around? Trust me, they'll kill it, the question is when. P.S. Why do you think they picked this word for title? Wizardry and sorcery are still mortal sins, aren't they? NVO (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
LOL No, they wouldn't dare.-- Darwin Ahoy! 22:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

ok!

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Funziona benone, mi piace! sNappyml 19:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

A suggestion

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A suggestion: I think that a preview of the descriptions could be useful, especially for the preview of wiki-links, to know if they work well. sNappyml 20:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

languages

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did not find a keyboard for other characters (cyrillic, greek etc...) Jebulon (talk) 23:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

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Omaof3 (talk) 23:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

"Donate media file" button still not entirely clickable

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Just a reminder that the button is still not entirely clickable for me (Safari and OmniWeb). As a comparison, the "Submit Feedback" and "Cancel" buttons on the "leave feedback" pop-up work normally. Maybe this isn't top priority, but I didn't see it listed in the Known Issues section, so here's another reminder. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 03:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Upload more files

Should ideally remember the last entered values. Shyamal (talk) 08:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Fully agree. In fact, this is one of the reasons I'm not using the Wizard, as the normal upload form can remember the last entered values, as well as be reused over and over again just hitting the back button, making uploads via the normal form immensely faster and less annoying than via the wizard, even done one by one.-- Darwin Ahoy! 18:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Very good point. This is one of the reasons I am still using the old upload form. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Einstellung in Benutzergalerien

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Ich vermisse, dass die Bilder nicht - wie beim Communist - automatisch in die Benutzergalerie geladen werden. Könnte man das zumindest als Option einbauen? --Rainer Halama (talk) 11:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

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As far as I am concerned this new interface has just succeeded in making uploades 10 times harder. SpinningSpark 12:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more. Orderinchaos (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Error message

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I tried uploading my images and now it says in red "This looks like a file you obtained from another imagehost. Please make the title more meaningful. Also, double check that you have the rights to publish it on Wikimedia Commons." That is complete non-sense and a real nuisance for the uploading process. Gryffindor (talk) 14:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Easy

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I consider the new program a huge improvement! Koosg (talk) 15:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Some bugs and suggestions

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  • 1- The wizard allowed me to "upload" one repeated file i chose by mistake (I ended up with 6 originals and 1 copy).
  • 2 - There is no way to remove a file after the first step. If I've done the mistake reported in 1), I'll have to abort everything
  • 3 - If you go back (back button), everything is lost
  • 4 - Wizard does not remember values entered in former sessions, as does the normal upload form
  • 5 - Wizard can't be reused as the normal upload form (using back button after each upload). Instead, everything has to be redone from the first step
  • 6 - Wizard allows choosing repeated names as destination filenames. I don't know what happens when you try to upload such things, as my FF crashed before I could complete the process. Darwin Ahoy! 18:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ridiculous error message, cannot upload.

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I got: "This looks like a file you obtained from another imagehost. Please make the title more meaningful. Also, double check that you have the rights to publish it on Wikimedia Commons." File name was very meaningful, photo was made by myself, and to add to the aggavation, this is a SOLVED bug, see: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29029 I tried changing the titel, to no avail. Just wasted half an hour, and still cannot upload my pictures. This is quite ridiculous. Wammes Waggel (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Just use Commons:Upload, this thing is still sort of a test, it seems.-- Darwin Ahoy! 22:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Nouvel assistant de versement Wikimedia Commons

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Super pratique et efficace cet assistant qui permet de verser des "rafales" de documents ! Le nombre de fichiers importés devrait faire un bon spectaculaire dans les prochaines semaines ...Peut-être encore un petit effort du côté de la catégorisation des médias, par exemple en accédant directement à l'arborescence des catégories ? Du bon travail qui va dans le bon sens. BluesyPete (talk) 07:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

How do I choose a custom license?

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There are lots of custom licenses for different websites (like Comunismul în România). I want to be able to use those for uploading Strainu (talk) 09:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

See [[Commons:Prototype upload wizard faq#Where are the other licenses? and Commons:Licensing.--Trixt (talk) 07:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Translation

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The smallprint under the header 'Upload wizard' suggests that I could help to translate this page. Clicking on the link brings me to a page that shows no way to do so. MarcoSwart (talk) 13:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I think that you're referring to this page: as shows, no messages for translation at the moment in your favorite language.--Trixt (talk) 07:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

My picture has an unknown warning: badfilename...

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.... but the other ones worked from my Kamera (Its a Coolpix S8100 from Nikon Kivifreak (talk) 14:49, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Limited Release rights

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How can I tag an image PD-India from the wizard? The wizard gives only limited options for the copyright. I have to manually edit the page after upload to add PD-India. Redtigerxyz (talk) 18:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

See Commons:Prototype upload wizard faq#Where are the other licenses?--Trixt (talk) 07:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Wizard does not provide all options as provided in old form

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Why is the flickr, derivative work, direct upload options missing??? Redtigerxyz (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

See Commons:Prototype upload wizard faq#Why did you remove all the choices such as "uploading someone else's work from Flickr" or "free software screenshot"?--Trixt (talk) 07:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Why are not giving the links to alternate methods of flickr AND the derivative work derivativeFX! as in earlier form ??? --Redtigerxyz (talk) 05:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Bravo

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On est passé de la préhistoire au XXIe siècle Berichard (talk) 19:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Approssimative translation in English: We are passed from Prehistory to 21st century.--Trixt (talk) 07:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

upload of own photos failed

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I've been trying to upload a batch of photos. One of them, the wizard states that it looks like an image from an image host. Rubbish - it's my own photo. I can live with those accusations, but that the whole process then seizes up is most annoying. It won't let me do anything else, but I have to start from scratch (minus the photo that is apparently not mine, of course). Schwede66 07:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Plantages

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Bonjour. Je voulais vous signaler que j'ai des difficultés à rajouter une image. En effet, depuis la mise en place de ce système, mon navigateur plante pendant un certain temps avant de reprendre ! Pehaha (talk) 09:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

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My first upload with the new wizard... I don't miss the Flickr upload, it is much better all included. Anneyh (talk) 16:18, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Help with translations

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Clicking on this link is frustrating. Mostly lead to "you are not allowed" even after registering etc. Anneyh (talk) 16:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

This is more of a TranslateWiki issue. If you experienced problems with Special:FirstSteps, maybe you could provide some feedback to them? In the meantime, you can post your translation suggestions here or on Commons:Bistro or on TranslateWiki. Jean-Fred (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Super!

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This is very good, to have a multiple upload, but it would be better, if the files could get uploaded, while you choose the next ones... Pauli94 19:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Très bien

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Bravo, outil beaucoup mieux à utiliser, je parviens à catégorier mes images alors que je n'y parvenais pas avant. A conserver véritablement, très utile et agréable. Bravo pour l'amélioration! Polnico62240 (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Excellent

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Merci d'avoir réalisé cet assistant de versement ManiacParisien 05:21, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Too hard to use!

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Not user friendly at all - too many stages and too much subtlety. The old form was actually easier to use!

Uploaded File:Aubigny Qld.png using the wizard last night, could not figure out how to attribute another user on Commons for the source image. Either it tried to prevent me uploading at all, or allowed me to do so only by not indicating (I had to edit it in afterwards). Having an explicit option referencing another Commons image and providing a space to enter a username to attribute it to would be an improvement. Orderinchaos (talk) 06:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Alvaro Kasillas

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the last image imposibol upload, Alvaro Kasillas (talk) 08:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Traduction incomplète

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L'option "Retour à l'ancien formulaire" renvoie vers la version en anglais. Il serait plus judicieux de rediriger directement vers la version francophone. Merci Yelkrokoyade (talk) 10:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

En effet. Déjà signalé, impossible pour le moment. On attend le patch... <soupir> Jean-Fred (talk) 18:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Blocage chargement

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L'assistant affiche le message suivant : "Cela ressemble à un fichier que vous avez obtenus d'une autre hébergeur d'images. Veuillez rendre le titre plus significatif. Aussi, vérifiez que vous disposez des droits pour publier ce fichier sur Wikimedia Commons." Ce n'est pas le cas et le chargement reste bloqué après modification du titre de l'image. Velvet (talk) 13:40, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Insertion fichier

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Proposer la syntaxe pour l'insertion des fichiers est une bonne idée mais serait d'utiliser des mots français fichier plutôt que file ou vignette plutôt que thumb. Cela me semble marcher aussi bien.

Bravo pour le nouvel assistant plus simple. Bildoj (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Upload Wizard: License selection, resuming on error, cats

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  1. I'd like to have a possibility to license my work under GFDL and all CC-By-SA without having to edit all uploaded files afterwards.
  2. There are sometimes errors: Browser, Server, Connection. It would be nice to have a "resume incomplete upload" option.
  3. Some users are confused because they forget to press the "Add category" button. When cursor leaves this field, category should be added automatically.
  4. It would be nice to have the possibility for multi-selection in the file-selection dialog.
  5. Good work. Continue improving it. -- RE rillke questions? 00:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


Categorization

From Commons:Village_pump#Upload_Wizard_keeping_files_from_being_marked_as_uncategorised, it appears that at least 25% of the files uploaded with the Wizard are w/o categories.

Further, if categorization-bot can't determine any categories for the files, that means the files aren't used either. --  Docu  at 04:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Great!

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Very simple and intuitive, no problems at all, works very nice to me Zamba (hmaglione10) Su inquietud no molesta 07:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Assistant versement

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un progrès par rapport à la version précédente. Merci Patrick89 (talk) 08:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Multiple upload

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I tried to upload 10 jpg files, but after the description of the images files are not uploaded correctly. I have a Google Chrome browser and Windows 7 software. Tr6637 (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

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Catégorisation

Devant la croissance exponentielle des fichiers-images à catégorise depuis 2 jours (plus de 8000 pour le 5 juin 2011), on peut s'interroger sur le lien de cause à effet de la mise à disposition de ce nouvel assistant de téléversement, assurément plus convivial pour les novices, mais à mon goût moins rationnel (défaut d'une saisie sur un seul masque imposant plus de clics) dès lors que l'on a une pratique plus ancienne du serveur précédent. GO69 (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Voir Commons:Village_pump#Upload_Wizard_keeping_files_from_being_marked_as_uncategorised. Jean-Fred (talk) 19:01, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Uploading from Flicker?

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Whenever I choose a tag in the new upload wizard that says "US Federal Government Source", the wizard tags the image as "Uploaded from Flicker." The Flicker-checker-bot then tries to determine where on Flicker the image was from, and everything goes kaflonky from there.

Sorry, silly wizard: It was not uploaded from Flicker! I don't know why the wizard does that.

Thanks for fixing the flaw. Tim1965 (talk) 00:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Problemi riscontrati (Italian)

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- Impossibilità di tornare indietro e mancanza di un pulsante "back" - Manca l'anteprima della licenza scelta 

Awd (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Gets hungup - what to do?

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While uploading 8 files, the second file said "file uploaded successfully, but sever unable to get thumbnail." When I had completed describing all the files, it would not complete the upload on the 2nd file after about 10 minutes. All my effort wasted. could you fix this? Smallbones (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes. The occasional hang on the final step is the single biggest remaining problem with UploadWizard. We're digging into it.--Eloquence (talk) 02:16, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

self template loop

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if you hit the upload more files at the end of an upload, the next batch will have a self loop template showing, i.e. it comes out {{self|self| Smallbones (talk) 03:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

and slow as s--t

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slow as s--t Smallbones (talk) 03:16, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Blocage à la page "Décrire"

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Après avoir téléversé une photo, j'ai l'erreur suivante "Cela ressemble à un fichier que vous avez obtenus d'une autre hébergeur d'images. Veuillez rendre le titre plus significatif. Aussi, vérifiez que vous disposez des droits pour publier ce fichier sur Wikimedia Commons.", mais surtout, l'impossibilité de revenir en arrière. La seule possibilité est de fermer la fenêtre. Jmh2o (talk) 11:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I am getting pretty bored of doing edits like this one. Already on May 19th I reported here that it seems that Upload Wizard adds {{FlickrReview}} to images tagged with {{PD-USGov}}. Of course the FlickreviewR bot does not find a link to a flickr file and the image ends up in Category:Unsourced Flickr images reviewed by FlickreviewR. That category I check almost daily. Since UploadWizard is the default uploader, most of the maintaining job in that Category is removing unjustified FlickreviewR tags. Please, can someone really look into this? Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Bug reported bugzilla:29346 but devs seem not able to write (a simple) patch themselves form information provided by me. I marked the lines that are responsible and commented what's happening there. I'm busy, but when I have time, I'll try to find a solution. -- RE rillke questions? 16:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

If only this wizard were used more...

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This wizard is great! The only thing is, I wish other wikis running on MediaWiki used it. Please try to get it deployed on as many MediaWiki wikis as you can as soon as possible. Thanks. Cooljeanius (talk) 01:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Error message "This looks like a file you obtained from another imagehost. Please make the title more meaningful."

For another occurrence, please see Commons:Help_desk#Uploading_cropped_photo. --  Docu  at 06:37, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Commentaire nouvelle interface d'assistant d versement de fi

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Bravo ! Très pédagogique cette nouvelle interface. Tout est très clair. Vieil habitué du téléversement de photos, cela me simplifie beaucoup la tâche. En particulier la catégorisation. Seul le temps de téléchargement pêche encore par sa lenteur. Salut et Fraternité. Piero d'Houin Inocybe (talk) 17:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Prévisualisation

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Avec l'assistant, il n'y a pas de prévisualisation du chargement. Cjp24 (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Super für Doofe!

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Hallo,

ich bin von dem Assistenden sehr begeistert.

Lustige Pfingsten wünscht

Kai, der Marschmensch Marschmensch (talk) 15:07, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

invidia

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Portobird (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

refuses to upload

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Message was (5 times) "This looks like a file you obtained from another imagehost. Please make the title more meaningful. Also, double check that you have the rights to publish it on Wikimedia Commons." The files were definitely my own, entitled "Marven Gardens NJ 1" - "Marven Gardens NJ 5". Please let us know what titles you allow and please DO NOT imply in any way that I'm passing off others' photos as my own! Smallbones (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Retour en arrière

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On ne peut pas revenir en arrière en cliquant sur le fil d'ariane. Embêtant lorsqu'on se rend compte qu'on a uploadé une image en double Xfigpower (pssst) 16:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Catégorie en cascade

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on ne peut pas appliqué une catégorie à l'ensemble des images Xfigpower (pssst) 16:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

BEST UPLOAD TOOL

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Hi, WikiMedia. You have done the best upload tool for uploading images or other media to the WikiMedia Commons. I like it. Nileshbandhiya (talk) 10:00, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

A house of Mahammedpur

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I want to insert it in article " Mahammedpur" Md. Rahim Ullah (talk) 18:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations

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Very usefull, works perfect, thanks for the job. Patrick.charpiat (talk) 22:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Broken thumbnails

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Every time I've attempted to upload files with the wizard over the past few days, I've received error messages that the server is unable to display thumbnails of the uploaded images. Problem happens regardless of the time of day and quantity of uploaded images in the batch. This does not prevent me from continuing with the wizard.

In other news, I'd like to praise the minds behind the upload wizard for its features and ease of use. Because of this, I've found myself trawling my photo collection for old photos that may be of use and uploading them (in the past I would only upload individual images if I knew I could then add them to a Wikipedia article). Bravo! -- saberwyn 08:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Crash-prone!

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I like this wizard and have uploaded dozens of pictures with it, but the thing is very finicky. If you do anything wrong, you lose a great deal of work. JonRichfield (talk) 18:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

So where is a person supposed to click????

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The only working button I find on the old form is the link to the Help Desk. Fortunately "back to the old form" is present in text above it, and is what I've used, but notably the Upload button does NOT work either, nor does clicking on the green OK, or the graphics for work I made myself.

Furthermore, the case I have at the moment is one of uploading very low resolution text in block letters because I am astounded at how easy it is to read at low zoom and how difficult it is to read at high zoom and wanted to ask a question about it at the wikipedia refdesk. Now as I understand simple text is not copyrightable (it's also not a trademark, but just one small piece of a logo). But it isn't my work either. The page should have a case for works too simple to copyright. Wnt (talk) 23:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your "where is a person supposed to click" question. Anyway, as for "works too simple to copyright", I went and checked out most of those images and it's like 95%+ incorrectly licensed. So I decided not to bother with it, as it just seems to confuse people. NeilK (talk) 18:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

beta upload

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twice when uploading the procedure seem to stop before the last several images. there was no place to cancel or retry. It continues to this moment I suppose as I only left the page now. Otherwise I appreciate the streamlined approach very much. Mlane78212 firefox5 and windows7 Mlane 14:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

adding items

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Really prefer this to other system. However, it would be good for the page to scroll as one adds images. As it is now it stays on the last level that was used. mlane78212 firefox 5, windows 7 Mlane 16:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Wizard allowed me to upload same file twice in a batch of 8

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I tried to upload 8 image files, but accidentally selected one of the files twice. The wizard allowed me to enter data for all 8 files, then it hung when publishing the last one, which was the duplicate file. Nonenmac (talk) 16:30, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

first step, register, missing, and no german ...

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i tried to use this new wizard, and ....

1. clicked while i was not logged in --> it did not open! 2. logged in, goto: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Hochladen&uselang=de clicked for beginners ... and an english page shows up! 

ThurnerRupert (talk) 21:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Hallo ThurnerRupert,
1: unangemeldet kann man hier keine Dateien hochladen - das ist beachsichtigt und auch mit dem normalen/alten Formular so.
2: Bitte versuche es nun nochmal - ich habe es verbessert. Nun sollte es klappen. Zur Erkärung: Du hattest den Hochladeassistent auf Englisch gesehen, weil du die Sprache der Bedienoberfläche hier noch nicht auf Deutsch umgestellt hast. Ich empfehle dir, dies zu tun: im ersten Kapitel des Bildertutorials der Wikipedia ist die Spracheinstellung beschrieben. Viele Grüße --Saibo (Δ) 03:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
also wenn man anfänger ist, dann weiss man das nicht mit dem anmelden. also wärs noch nett wenn die hilfe bzw so ein toller assistent trotzdem funktioniert :) vielen dank auf jeden fall für deine reaktion! --ThurnerRupert (talk) 03:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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there is a "process" on top ... but no link to click. cannot go form upload to release rights, or back to learn. 

ThurnerRupert (talk) 21:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

assistant de versement

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génial Pramzan (talk) 03:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Button not being a button

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"Select a media file to donate" button is still not a button. However, I've found a nice comparison that may help you guys out. On the upload screen, "Add another file" does not appear to be a button, but "Upload" is!

On the Release rights screen, "Next" is a full button. So how come some of these are buttons, others are not? (I still have to move my cursor around (up) to find the link.) – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 06:28, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you will notice that they actually are buttons, but what you mean to say is that your mouse doesn't turn into a pointing hand and the button doesn't have a depress effect. The reason why is that there is some HTML trickery going on to make the form work the way it does. Browsers render the file upload control in many different ways, but in UploadWizard they all look the same, and furthermore, it can be styled in any way. If the lack of button-ness really disturbs you I can work harder on fixing that. I actually have code that does the right thing in many browsers and does the cursor and depress effect, but I disabled it a while back because it was interfering with something else and never got back to this. NeilK (talk) 18:08, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

good

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good Lifedics (talk) 14:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Commons maintanance problem

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The upload wizard does not put texte in the file history case comment. This makes commons maintainance by checking user-galleries problematic. See exemple: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Eve Havang(nl) (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Translation for upload wizard in "local" deutsch

Hi, is it possible to make that for people who have set 'de-ch' , 'Schweizer Hochdeutsch' as prefered language, that the language used in case of absence of translation was deutsch rather than english? thanks --Chandres (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Select multiple files at once

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I've taken like 60 pictures i want to upload, now i have to select them 1 by 1, why cant is select 60 at once with ctrl or shift? Mvg, Basvb (talk) 18:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

You may try Commonist, it is bet fit for such tasks, and allows you to upload all the 60 at once very easily.-- Darwin Ahoy! 03:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I hope to have this feature in a future iteration. The UploadWizard model was designed to allow everything from Internet Explorer 6 to Chrome whatever-it-is-this-week to do multiple files, one at a time OR multiple files at a time. Unfortunately this has delayed getting multiple files in the easiest way. NeilK (talk) 18:00, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

uploading the same image twice

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by mistake I uploaded the same image twice. As thumbnails do not show up until upload was done, I did not recognize it until it was too late. After the initial upload is done, there is no way to skip single selected images (Would be an improvement, if this could be possible).

Uploading the same image twice with identical names (the intention was to skip the second upload), lets the second upload hang forever. The first one was ok. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 19:30, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

even when doing a full description of the duplicate image under another name, the upload wizard hangs when uploading the same image a second time. All work on other images later in the list is lost. cheers. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

updating existing files

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upload wizard does not seem to allow for uploading a new version of a file already existing in wikicommons. Bcharles (talk) 05:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

This is correct. I am afraid this is a usability decision on our part. The concept of using the upload tool to upload a new version of a file makes no sense to most people. They assume that to make a new version, one goes to the page for the file. The vast majority of the time, people are not trying to upload over an old file, they have chosen a similar name by accident. NeilK (talk) 17:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

existing file cc license

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The upload wizard does not allow for using some licenses for modifications to existing wikimedia files (ie cc 2.0). Bcharles (talk) 05:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Encore planté !

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Encore planté à la dernière étape ... (Still stuck at the last step ...) Daniel Villafruela (talk) 06:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

This is much easier. Please make this standard. Thank you.

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Reise-Line (talk) 19:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I prefered the old one

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I use to write the whole description of the image with an editor. And to make a copy/paste of this whole description. As far as I know, it is not possible to do that with the new upload wizard. Tangopaso (talk) 20:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Assistant de versement

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(Je suppose que le type qui a décidé d’appeler ça un «assitant de versement» travaille dans une banque, mais là n’est pas l’objet de ce message).

Le «nouveau» formulaire «amélioré» devrait permettre de retourner en arrière.

Sinon, où se trouve l’amélioration??? Emdx (talk) 00:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Wizard seems to have crashed again

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Is there some way to get in and save what you have done when it seems to die without having saved everything? JonRichfield (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

merci

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c'est pratique Sosdoc (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

From another imaghost?

Twice I uploaded File:Picnic House brick wall jeh.jpg which I snapped two months ago. Twice I got the message: "This looks like a file you obtained from another imagehost. Please make the title more meaningful. Also, double check that you have the rights to publish it on Wikimedia Commons."

Yes, it's all mine and I never sent it anywhere except my own computers. There was no problem on the third attempt, using the old upload page. Did a bug cause this false alarm? Incidentally, on the first attempt, I also uploaded another file and had no way to proceed out of the alarm page to publish that one, which to me suggests a second problem in the wizard. On the whole I'm delighted with the new method but please don't discontinue the old page. Jim.henderson (talk) 20:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I could bet taht it's because your file starts with "pic". The message "This looks like a file you obtained from another imagehost", actually, is very impolite, even offensive, and completely pointless. I don't know why they have placed it there.-- Darwin Ahoy! 21:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Same with names starting with German Bild for Image, e.g. in composita like Bildstock. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 23:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah. Yes, if the wizard is forbidding filenames starting with words like "Picatinny" or "Pickle" then it should say so, rather than make baseless and irrelevant accusations. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
This was a bug but it should be fixed now. NeilK (talk) 17:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Thought it was dead

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Took so long to upload 1.7mb file, I gave up and went back to the old form. Turned out it wasn't dead, but with no progress bar, it's hard to know. Stevage (talk) 08:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Working on it. Unfortunately due to open source polices at the WMF I can't use Flash, so progress bars are more or less impossible on most platforms. However, modern Chrome, Firefox and maybe even IE 10 will have an API I can use for a better progress bar. NeilK (talk) 17:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Process leaves me unable to immediately view file uploaded

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When the current upload process terminates, I am given a choice to copy and pasted the code necessary to publish the image, upload another file, or go to the commons home page. I prefer to copy the image description into the caption for immediate editing and publication. The available options force me to make several clicks before I can view the file i just uploaded. I would like to see an option added that allows users to view the last file uploaded. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 19:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I just click on the thumbnail or filename. This is with MSIE 8 or Chrome 12. Doesn't it work for you? Jim.henderson (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Sort order in Categories

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I noticed the wizard does not understand the | sign to separate the category name from the sort-order text. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 13:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand you. Can you explain where you tried to use this? The Category widget doesn't actually accept wikitext. NeilK (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Upload wizard

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Very useful tool! Thank you. Teñsor Jambou (talk) 09:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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Wafx (talk) 11:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This is brilliant!

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This is a vast improvement over the old system. The whole thing is just very well thought out and very well designed. the inclusion of the 'use' step is very helpful, the automatic invitation to write descriptions in more than one language, the auto-default of the license so that people don't get stressed over choices...

Truly excellent work. A Wonderful Wizard, if ever a wizard was. The men and women behind the curtain who made this Wizard should feel very proud of themselves. Alecmconroy (talk) 12:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Help bubbles don't go away

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When I click on a help button ("?"), I see no way to close the blue text bubble containing the help text. Gestumblindi (talk) 20:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The way to close it is to click the '?' again, or click another '?'. But I agree that an [x], or having the balloon fade away when the mouse leaves, would be more intuitive. NeilK (talk) 17:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Remarques

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Bel outil, merci beaucoup !

Il est dommage qu'on ne puisse décider de ne pas importer une photo parmi plusieurs après téléversement. De plus, les catégories qui n'existent pas ne sont pas affichés en rouge. kvardek du (la plej bela nombro) 20:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Merci ! Nous essayons de le rendre plus fiable. Aussi, après avoir parlé avec des bénévoles, j'ai décidé de supprimer la possibilité d'ajouter des catégories dans l'UploadWizard. Donc on n'aura pas besoin des liens rouges. NeilK (talk) 17:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah, non ! Moi, je fais attention aux catégories que j'ajoute ! Je prépare un minimum le versement. Et quand je mets n photos d'une même catégorie, c'est plus facile de procéder par copier-coller. --Jmh2o (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Stepwise fallback e.g. Bad filename in step "describe" not p

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go backl funktion missing in upload tool. I got the message bad filename in the second last step, but I don#t know how to correct it. Please fix it. Thanks a lot. Smarty-HH (talk) 21:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

{{OTRS Pending}} support

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Seconded. "Is there a reason why the new upload wizard doesn't offer an option to add an OTRS template? Are there plans to add this feature? When I was first starting, the only reason I learned about OTRS was because it was part of the original upload form. Now I have to come to this page to obtain the template. I'm worried that people are going to be skipping this step. – VisionHolder « talk » 13:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)" Tommyang (talk) 01:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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