User talk:Liné1/2015

ITIS spam

Hi Liné1 - what's the point of adding all this stuff from ITIS? They're not a good reference, we shouldn't be using or promoting it! Thanks! - MPF (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

okay when I have other sources like in botanic, why not Liné1 (talk) 08:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Specialist

Salu Liné1,
....first....do you see a way to connect and use the Template:LanSwref/title with an "edit button" on the galleries?
Cheers. Orchi (talk) 22:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Salu Liné1,

Thanks for your helpful tipp! Just I changed the format and dreamed of a Bot.

Further reasons for my (urgent) copying from Wikispecies and the other actions will I give you later. Cheers. Orchi (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Salu Liné1,

I did not know, if I can answer on your personal sandbox 3. So I copied the content here: User:Orchi/Sandbox 3 for my answers. Please give me some time to answer point for point. Thanks for your understanding and help. Cheers. Orchi (talk) 12:07, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok, sorry, User:Orchi, I forgot to tell you about my page and that you could answer there.

You are always welcome to change my personal pages ;-)

But working on your is perfect.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 20:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Campylognathoididae‎ & Dimorphodontidae

Bonjour, Liné1 ! (Excuse my writing in English, but it would take me five times as long in French, and probably make miserable reading.) I notice you reverted my attempts at categorizing Campylognathoididae and Dimorphodontidae without explanation, so I’m wondering what you think should be done with them. These cats are currently orphans: in the course of chipping away at that backlog I had looked up the taxa on enWP and placed them according to what I found there. If that information is incorrect or outdated, where should they go instead? Or if it was because you think they’re likely to remain empty indefinitely, should I just propose their deletion?—Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello my friend,

Don't worry about english, I rather enjoy english reading and writing.

These 2 categories have been blanked by User:Abyssal (which is not recommanded on wikicommons)

I will transform them in redirect.

I just have to figure what to. ;-)

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Neither are valid taxa any more. These cats can be deleted. Abyssal (talk) 12:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Abyssal

We don't delete wikicommons taxon categories but transform them info {{Category redirect}}. For biology, we have more specific templates: {{Synonym taxon category redirect}}, {{Invalid taxon category redirect}} and {{Monotypic taxon category redirect}}

About these taxa, do you have sources (I prefer urls ;-)) ?

I am trying to put {{Taxonavigation}} and sources to your taxa Macronychoptera, Novialoidea, Breviquartossa, but I have to source.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 13:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Are you looking for any source or the original authorities? If you just need a source, here's one: Andres, B.; Myers, T. S. (2013). "Lone Star Pterosaurs". Earth and Environmental Science Transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh: 1. doi:10.1017/S1755691013000303

Nothing online, User:Abyssal ? Liné1 (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Here's a link to the abstract. Abyssal (talk) 15:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I mean exactly that url, User:Abyssal. But sadly the article is not free ;-) Liné1 (talk) 15:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

That's the best I can do. I was going off the cladogram in Wikipedia's pterosaur article, which cites that source. Abyssal (talk) 16:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Taxonavigations for viruses

Hi - happy new year (chinese & otherwise). What's the approved format for adding Taxonavigations to virus categories? E.g. I'm surprised that https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:HIV-1 doesn't have a taxonavigation. I can't find many viruses that do. Cheers, HYanWong (talk) 11:58, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello my friend.

Happy new year to you.

An excellent question you are asking. I will look at what we did on the french pages and try to make a proposition.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:53, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello HYanWong

Look at Category:HIV-1.

If you like my proposition, I can propagate it to all viruses.

I am not satisfied with the rank of HIV: I did use "(unranked)". The other possibilities are: ???, group, informal group

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 18:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I guess in cases where there is an Order defined (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification) then this should be used instead of "Group". "(unranked)" seems fine to me, but I'm no expert. It would be great if you could somehow propagate this to more virus species. Cheers HYanWong (talk) 11:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello HYanWong,

I have added Taxanavigation to all virus upper categories.

I am currently working on species which is a lot more work.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 15:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello HYanWong,

as you can see in Viruses, there are 3 new categories: Families of Viruses‎, Genera of Viruses‎ and Species of Viruses‎

that are automatically filled when you add a {{Taxonavigation}} to a virus.

Cool, no,

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 18:05, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Wow. More Liné magic! Great work. HYanWong (talk) 21:36, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Cryptomycota

Hi Line - thanks for the virus stuff. Sorry to load you with more work, but I was wondering how to create a category for Cryptomycota, so I could move https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rozella_allomycis.tiff into it and remove it from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Chytridiomycota where it is currently misclassified. Is there a tool to make the right category and put the wikispecies / VN / etc links in? Cheers HYanWong (talk) 16:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done

Yes, the tool is me ;-)

Really, don't hesitate, I would feel like an honour.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 16:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again for all your work. You're a credit to biology! HYanWong (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Category:Unidentified Foeniculum?

Reading about fennel, there only seems to be one species of Foeniculum, which is Foeniculum vulgare. This would entail that Category:Unidentified Foeniculum is superfluous. - Takeaway (talk) 13:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Takeaway

Look at Category:Foeniculum: 3 species for ThePlantList, a lot of synonyms for Tropicos.

A lot of synonyms means a lot of reasons to put the pictures in the incorrect genus category.

By the way, I don't like the english article that proclaims a monotyty without providing the source.

Because really monotypy is depending on the source.

Regards Liné1 (talk) 13:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. There are 3 subspecies of Foeniculum vulgare. The correct "Unidentified Category" should be Category:Unidentified Foeniculum vulgare, and the present category should be deleted or changed to a redirect. Moreover, for most of the media which is now in Category:Foeniculum vulgare, it is also uncertain which subspecies it is (see for instance File:Foeniculum vulgare - Jardim Botânico de Brasília - DSC09655.JPG) so shouldn't they too be put into the "Unidentified" category? Regards, - Takeaway (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I just added a USA government source to the English article stating that it is a monotype: http://plants.usda.gov/java/ClassificationServlet?source=profile&symbol=FOENI&display=31 - Takeaway (talk) 13:47, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Takeaway

Foeniculum scoparium and Foeniculum subinodorum seem to be widely recognized as full species (CatalogueofLife, ThePlantList, Tropicos, http://worldplants.webarchiv.kit.edu/)

About USDA, it is a great site for...USA. It really be taken into account as monotypy source.

Regards Liné1 (talk) 13:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. It still seems somewhat tentative though per this page at ThePlantList. - Takeaway (talk) 17:04, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata

Hello Liné. I am thoroughly familiar with Wikidata and even intend to advise its developers on functionalities. The confusion arose when I saw that, if we don't have the article on mk.wiki, Wikidata didn't show it above. I am aware that it reflects it there even if I just enter its name on Wikidata, but still wasn't too sure. It is unfortunate that taxon categories are poorly represented there. I always try to name taxons on Wikidata for the very reason that other editors (and often myself) can then come and see how it sould be called when creating an article or mentioning it in other articles. This is essential, as I do a lot of research to find out the appropriate names in Macedonian, which is the standard name of naming any taxon, genus, family, order etc. as the scientific name serves only as an auxiliary. Since the rules are such, it is not a good thing when I see someone create an article naming it wwith the scientific name, which means nothing for our readers, except for the experts, who don't need our page much anyhow. I am trying to intensify this, as our chapter, whose Programme Manager I am, will be implementing QR-codes to our wiki in the Skopje Zoo and I know that they insisted to check everything and that the information should be immlaculate so that we can be allowed to put the boards up on the animal enclosures. Feel free to contact me with any thoughts and ideas. I try to use the 'Taxobox' template too, where it makes everything easier, thoguh it needs better options to exclude the intermediate subtaxons like infraclasses etc. It would be nice if you can share your thoughts about that with me. Cheers! --B. Jankuloski (talk) 11:28, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

WBR

Hello,
suite à ton message sur le café je t'indique donc ici que j'ai ajouté une requête sur WBR. C'est vraiment du cosmétique, donc sans la moindre urgence : faire que les 1 du mois deviennent des 1^er :)

Par ailleurs j'évoque également sur le café un problème plus spécifique : la sources des données CITES.
Le modèle 'CITES espèce' sur fr: crée un lien vers unep-wcmc-apps.org et pour ma part j'ai utilisé checklist.cites.org comme source, hors ce dernier semble plus à jour sur certains taxon.
Il faut que je corrige d'une façon ou d'une autre car on se retrouve avec des infos en taxobox qui ne sont pas celles fournies par le lien externe vers CITES.

Je préfère t'en parler au préalable dans la mesure où WBR traite également cette question.

Cordialement, Hexasoft (talk) 09:37, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Pour la date, j'utilise SimpleDateFormat("d MMMMM yyyy", Locale.FRANCE).

Regardes cette doc et dis moi quel format tu veux.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 11:25, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm… D'après cette doc il n'y a pas, même si une recherche rapide m'indique que d'autres ont cherché à faire la même chose…

Tant pis. De toute façon c'est vraiment pas grave Cordialement, Hexasoft (talk) 16:51, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Note : et pour CITES ? Tu utilises quel site pour WBR ?

De mon coté j'ai trouvé ce checklist.cites.org qui donne en téléchargement l'historique de toutes les entrées : c'est très pratique pour travailler dessus (c'est du CSV) et c'est visiblement plus à jour que unep-wcmc-apps.org puisque j'y ai trouvé des dates plus récentes.

Cordialement, Hexasoft (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Je n'utilise pas checklist.cites.org. Le csv fait 50Mo, c'est un peu lourd pour WBR. Liné1 (talk) 17:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Ah bon ? Le fichier d'historique que j'ai ne fait que 1.7Mo. C'est celui-là : celui-là. Hexasoft (talk) 18:13, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

C'est encore moi. Toujours en cherchant des sources de données CITES je suis tombé sur species+. Il faut reconnaître que c'est assez « sexy » : Uroplatus fimbriatus sur UNEP vs Uroplatus fimbriatus sur species+.

Alors autant la page d'une espèce est simple si on a l'identifiant (6081 pour U. fimbriatus par ex. → www.speciesplus.net/#/taxon_concepts/6081/legal) autant l'URL de recherche est simple aussi mais correspond à une page full-javascript, ce qui nécessite d'avoir un moteur JS embarqué. Personnellement j'utilise PhantomJS pour obtenir le code généré, mais j'ignore si tu as de tels outils dans ta boîte à outil WBR.

Mais une fois généré (dans PhantomJS je fais un affichage de document.getElementsByTagName('html')[0].innerHTML après interprétation) et dans le code une recherche sur "#/taxon_concepts/[0-9]+/legal" me permet de trouver les résultats (il retourne aussi les synonymes).

Je me pose donc la question de pouvoir ajouter dans les articles ce lien, en sus ou à la place des 'CITES espèce' actuels.

Mes questions sont :

• que pense-tu de ces liens (et de species+ en général) ?
• que pense-tu d'avoir un lien vers species+ dans les articles ?
• est-il possible (à terme) que WBR génère un lien vers species+ en plus (ou à la place) de UNEP ?

Étant donnée l'énorme importance de WBR chez nous il me semble important de se concerter avant toute évolution.

Cordialement, Hexasoft (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Je prend 4 jours de vacances. On en parle à mon retour. Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Pas d'urgence ! Mon bot va continuer de tourner comme ça, de toute façon il se modifie sans cesse et a vocation à repasser sur tous les articles régulièrement (enfin… « régulièrement », sachant qu'il y a quand même pas loin de 100000 articles avec une taxobox donc ça prend du temps ).

Bonnes vacances à toi. Cordialement, Hexasoft (talk) 21:58, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

PàS et question

Salut, j'aimerais avoir ton avis sur cette requête : Commons:Deletion requests/Nyctiprogne. Y a-t-il une page centralisant les efforts d'organisation des médias concernant les oiseaux sur Commons ou c'est toi qui t'occupes de tout ? ;-) A+ PurpleHz (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Pas de centralisation car nous sommes trop peu nombreux.

C'est le plus gros contributeur qui donne l'exemple.

Et je suis pas gros, juste très présent

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 21:01, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Ah ok. A+ PurpleHz (talk) 21:32, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

WikipediaBioReferences

Bonjour Liné1, logiciel testé et adopté ! Amicalement, Minerv (talk) 13:08, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikispecies (Commons)

Salu Liné1, could you have a look here plaese: [1]. Do you think to change in commons the dates immediately or shall we wait until KEW has changed the dates? Cheers. Orchi (talk) 09:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Unidentified Zantedeschia

Hiya: What can I do to help identify the "Unidentified Zantedeschia"for image File:Buhne at King Salmon Drive sign.JPG? I have those same flowers in my yard and I could photo or dissect whatever you need to properly identify the species (variety?). Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:42, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Ellin Beltz.

Sadly I am not a great biologist.

I just love taxonomy (I know, it sound weird, but I assure you, I am almost normal ,-))

If you really like chalenges, you can look at en:Zantedeschia

But it would be best to find a real botanist to help you.

Sorry and cheers Liné1 (talk) 18:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Liné1: I checked with the local garden store and their plant guy said Zantedeschia aethiopica, or Common Arum Lily. I'm going to poke around and see if we have category for that! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:22, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Ellin Beltz.

Use Category:Zantedeschia aethiopica. But also note the name of the species in the picture description and maybe the fact that the identification has been done by the local garden store.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 06:18, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Template:ThePlantList taxon

Template:ThePlantList taxon has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this template, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

42.0.7.228 14:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Disregard, nonsense DR. Revent (talk) 01:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Liophloeus

Hi, could you check this edit? We have now 2 genuses in that template? --Jarekt (talk) 16:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

done. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 04:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Help ! On a besoin de toi

Bonsoir Liné1, on a besoin de toi pour maitriser WBR qui n'en fait qu'à sa tête quand tu n'es plus là . Ne nous laisse pas tomber ! --Salix (talk) 17:37, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@Salix: . Et voila, c'est corrigé.

Ne t'inquiète pas je ne laisserai jamais tomber WBR.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 08:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Merci mon Liné1 préféré, mais hélas le bug est toujours là

. --Salix (talk) 10:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Je pense pas.

En fait, j'ai merdé la modification du lien.

Regardes WBR, si tu n'as pas "Version 479", il faut que tu retélécharges le zip.

Désolé, sorry, pardon

Amitiés 11:25, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Poecilochirus carabi

Salu Liné1,

Je vous remercie pour vos corrections automatiques par Liné1bot à cette catégorie! Hansmuller (talk) 07:47, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Unidentified plants

Bonjour,

A propos de votre modification [2], je pense que vous faites erreur. La {{Translation table}} que j'avais mis en place traduit le nom de la catégorie. Le texte contenu dans {{Unidentified header}} est autre chose et devrait être traduit séparément, l'un ne recoupant pas forcement l'autre.

Lionel Allorge (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

@Lionel Allorge:

{{Unidentified header}} affiche déja "Cette catégorie contient des plantes non identifiés, non classés, inconnus ou mal nommés". Ce texte est traduit dans de nombreuses langues.

Ca me semble plus précis que "Plantes non identifiées"

De plus nous avons des milliers de catégories "Unidentified XXX", il me semble pénible de nous lancer dans la traduction de ces milliers de catégories.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 05:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Parvipsitta

Sorry I started to update this in a very chaotic way. In OIC 5.3 Parvipsitta contains two species. --Kersti (talk) 10:47, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry, I will go through the whole migration.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 15:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Categories

Hello. I've just started fixing categories about taxon for real and were wondering if your bot would go around and add taxonavigations to ex. Category:Examnes or if I have to do that manually. It seems like your bot is kinda smart, but I don't know...Regards Josve05a (talk) 05:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello User:Josve05a

• my bot does not work with {{Coleoptera}} because I intend to suppress {{Coleoptera}} one day.
• if you provide {{Taxonavigation}} + {{Species}}, my bot will copy the {{Taxonavigation}} from the genus to the species ({{Species}} is needed to distinguish real species with Category:Examnes in Romes)

By the way, you would perhaps be interested by WikipediaBioReferences.

It is a very simple and free java program that I wrote to help me contribute on wikicommons.

Many contributors use it on fr.wikipedia, but only a handful on wikicommons.

Simply saying: you type Jubulaceae, and it generates wikicode that you copy in Category:Jubulaceae like this.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks :) I do use it (as of yesterday), and the category linked above was generated from that program, however it did not include any taxonavigation-templates. Josve05a (talk)

Hello User:Josve05a

WBR (shortcut for WikipediaBioReferences) does generate {{Taxonavigation}} differently depending on groups and website it found:

• full Taxonavigation for birds
• full Taxonavigation without subfamily and tribes for plants
• end of Taxonavigation for most other groups

But [:Category:Examnes]], WBR found only data from CatalogOfLife.

Click on Options.

Look at the list, line "Taxonavigation": you can see that it is generated out of AlguaBASE, FishBase, ITIS... but not CatalogOfLife

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Re.:Category:Euarminida

Hi. Thanks for correcting me. Arminoidea is the only superfamily in the clade Euarminida. --Allforrous 13:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Category:Tritonia lineata

Hello. I I reversed the edition of your bot. Category: Tritonia x Category: Tritonia (Nudibranchia). Regards. --Allforrous 15:11, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello User:Allforrous

Yes, this is fun: Tritonia lineata exists in plants and gasteropods.

This category was badly placed in plants.

So my bot copied plants Taxonavigation:

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 15:15, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Nudis

Hello Liné1, juste un petit message pour te féliciter et te remercier de ton gros travail récent sur les nudibranches, qui en avaient bien besoin. C'est grâce à ce genre de travail qu'on peut écrire facilement des articles comme ça ! Encore merci et à bientôt, FredD (talk) 09:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Merci mon ami.

Ton article est magnifique.

C'est à vous que je pense quand je classe les photos.

Mais je n'ai pas fini les nudibranches.

J'ai plus souffert en passant sur les 400 familles angiospermes et tous leurs genres.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 18:08, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

What is a BIO diver?

Hi Liné, I saw on your user page you call yourself a BIO diver. What is that? Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 20:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello User:Pbsouthwood,

A divers that likes biology, that wants to collect (in his head ;-) images of species he has seen underwater.

It is also a bit sarcastic against technical divers that want to diver deep with complex mixes of gazes.

More precisely, there are different sections in the divers federation: technic, biology, treasure hunt, apnea...

We give small courses to all divers to help them with their first identifications.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 06:06, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

That is me too, except I take photos and draw maps. My head is not a reliable place to store images. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 11:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Category:Lithosiinae vs Category:Lithosiini

What do you think about Lithosiinae (subfamilia) vs Lithosiini (tribus)?

How should these be handled? Josve05a (talk) 23:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello my friend,

Lepidoptera Names Index is the reference for lepidopters.

LepIndex recognizes Lithosiinae as a subfamily under Noctuoidea (Superfamilia) < Erebidae (Familia)

As the web site is not easy to use, I could not find Lithosiini (it does not mean it does ont recognize it).

But wikispecies and say it is tribe under Arctiinae (not under Lithosiinae as Category:Lithosiinae says it without source)

There is a another problem:

I would not keep Lithosiini unless we create all tribes of Category:Lithosiinae and/or Category:Arctiinae.

So, I would say: let us get rid of Category:Lithosiini

You just move all the genera under theri subfamily, then add {{Speedy}} in Category:Lithosiini.

Wait, Lithosiini is listed (without source) under Category:Arctiinae, and Category:Arctiinae has all its tribes.

Now that is problematic

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:05, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

There is the same bug on wikispecies: species:Lithosiini and species:Lithosiinae are not coherent.

This is why I introduced parameters |source= and |ref= to {{Taxa}}, {{Genera}}, {{Species}}: because a list of subtaxa without source means nothing.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 09:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

according: New templates

Dear Liné1, Category:Duvalia (Apocynaceae) ...next step??? Cheers. Orchi (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Excellent, I am on it Liné1 (talk) 05:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Done. it seems to be working fine. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 11:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Liné1, clever management by the best manager!! :-) Thanks. Cheers. Orchi (talk) 11:14, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata

Wouldit be possible to rewrite {{Taxonavigation}} so that you didn't have to add any parameters, adn it could just fetch that information from Wikidata instead. Seems like that would be possible to do, only i have no idea how, but it would seem like that would be something which would be done in the future, so better start talking about it now. Josve05a (talk) 08:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry my friend. It really is not the idea of {{Taxonavigation}}.

{{Taxonavigation}} has for purpose to help you navigate through existing categories.

As Wikicommons is not an encyclopedia, we are not supposed to display information not needed by media user/searcher.

Imagine that you add a {{Taxonavigation}} using wikispecies or wikidata then wikispecies/wikidata changes it mind and reorganize totally its classification => we get in trouble.

Also, you are certainly aware that there is no such as THE classification. There are multiple classifications and they are changing by the minute. That leads to 3 things: We have to provide our sources (dated) + provide multiple list of subtaxa (to show if there is consensus of not) + we cannot follow another site automatically (we follow slowly by creating categories...)

In the past multiple project of Taxobox have emerged. They all failed and were rejected.

Sorry. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 09:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I can totally understand that, however, it would be a great "fallback" if no parameters were given on a category page, so that it would at least show a "suggestion". I'm thinking of a javascript tool which could ask "do you accept this as a taxonavigation for this category?" and then it could import those parameters. (and adding them to the template, so it would not rely on WD since it would no longer be connected to it, but had added the parameters on Commons) I'm sorry my English is not that good today :/ Josve05a (talk) 09:20, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Technically, I can do it.

But remember, The Taxonavigation of a category has to contain the information of its parent Taxonavigation (Genus Taxonavigation must contain the Familia's Taxonavigation information).

If you get your informations from outside it is a taxobox.

What you can do is a Chrome plugin or a Wikitools (like Cat-a-lot) that would get the parent Taxonavigation information (the most important part) + import the current taxon information from outside (wikidata, wikispecies or others).

And this plugin would generate a Taxonavigation like today.

As a first step, if you just imported the parent Taxonavigation information + creates a Taxonavigation {{Taxonavigation|...exactly like parent...|PleaseProvideRank|<CurrentCategoryName>|authority=}} that would already be very helpful

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 09:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Dysmorphosa fulgurans

Broken redirect here... Wieralee (talk) 12:58, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I stopped there. I needed to make lunch ;-)

I am on now.

Thanks for notifying.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 13:31, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Westringia rosmariniformis

Bonjour Liné1. Selon kew et The Plant List, la Category:Westringia rosmariniformis serait à fusionner dans la Category:Westringia fruticosa. Sais-tu faire ça ? --Salix (talk) 13:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Pas de soucis. Je m'en occupe.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

 Done

N'hésites pas.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

File Heterospilus

Bonjour Liné1

Ces deux photos https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heterospilus_M.jpg et https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heterospilus_F.jpg ont été déplacées dans la catégorie Heterospilus. Or il s'agit de Dendrosoter comme l'indique le commentaire, dans lequel j'ai aussi mentionné l'erreur dans le nom de la "file". Je les ai remises dans la catégorie d'origine, Doryctinae, (enfin j'espère avoir réussi), mais l'une d'elle est reprise là: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterospilus sous la mauvaise identité.

Il faudrait changer le nom de la file, mais je n'avais pas réussi à le faire.

Quant à modidier la page russe, c'est hors de mes capacités déjà très limitées.

C'est corrigé.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 17:37, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Diptera: Asilidae subfamilies

Please add a note on the references for the listed subfamily names of the Asilidae. There are different concepts and the subfamily Apoclceinae doesn't exist according to Dikow (2009: 99). Subfamilies and tribes are changing very often and their use isn't helpful for an encyclopedia, because it costs a lot of time to introduce them to all genera and you need a real specialist. In addition, Asilidae subfamilies and tribes aren't helpful, because we arne't able to classify all 560 genera at the moment and the phylogenetical classification is in work (and changing yearly). If somebody is interested in introducing Asilidae subfamilies, it is necessary to give a note on the references and to categorise ALL genera - NOT some few selected ones, which is a problem for other users without a specialized knowledge. Thank you very much. --Dysmachus (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

It is what I expected. Thanks.

I added a note in Category:Asilidae and suppressed the only subfamily.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. --Dysmachus (talk) 21:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Coleus et compagnie

Bonsoir Liné1, en me penchant sur le cas de coléus, je me suis cassée le nez sur leur classification (ouille !). Cela m'a ammenée à opérer une refonte de l'article en français, à repérer les synonymes et à constater que c'est le bor... n'importe quoi sur Commons. Kew donne clairement à présent les genres Coleus et Solenostemon comme synonymes de Plectranthus L'Hér. Or nous avons ici une Category:Coleus qui redirige sur Category:Solenostemon et à côté une Category:Plectranthus qui contient Category:Solenostemon en sous-catégorie (sans parler de plein d'erreurs d'identification au niveau des photos). Pourrais-tu voir ce qu'il est possible de modifier pour faire propre ? --Salix (talk) 22:09, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
PS. Comment obtenir au format Wikipédia les listes de sous-taxons selon la WCSP de Kew quand elles existent (ex. Coleus) et peux-tu aller voir ta page de WBR de temps en temps stp  ?
PS2. Sur Commons, comment transformer la Category:Plectranthus coleoides en Category:Plectranthus glabratus, le taxon valide ? --Salix (talk) 15:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

1) Je pense que la plupart des espèces sont des Plectranthus. Mais d'après ThePlantList, il y a 1 espèce dans Solenostemon et 2 dans Coleus. Donc je pense que Solenostemon et Coleus ne devraient pas être des redirect

2) (PS) Sur Kew il n'y a pas d'espèce valide pour Coleus ni Solenostemon. Donc WBR ne liste pas les synonymes sinon on ne s'en tire pas.

2bis) (PSbis) Je regarde très rarement sur wikipedia France. Peut-être devrais-je mettre un redirect de ma page de discussion france vers commons ?

3) Je vais voir ce que je peux faire. Il y a aussi Category:Solenostemon scutellarioides qui devrait être renommé.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

J'ai fait du nettoyage. Dis moi ce que tu en penses. Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 17:00, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Merci Liné1. Je vais voir ça en détail. Pour les espèces qui restent hors du genre Plectranthus, c'est ThePlantList qui a dû merdouiller dans ses interprétations d'après ce que m' a expliqué cette IP. --Salix (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

C'est bien mieux qu'avant  ! En effet il manque une redirection pour Category:Solenostemon scutellarioides. Je continue à faire le ménage dans les images et les synonymes des ex Coleus sp. --Salix (talk) 23:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

PS. Heu, désolée de t'avoir froissé sans le vouloir, mais je ne comprend pas ta réaction violente. C'est WBR qui a généré ces taxobox, y compris la référence, sinon je ne t'en parlerais pas...

PS (suite) J'ai saisi le sens de ta réponse. Espérons que cela va trouver une solution ou alors j'ai mal compris et tu as une autre suggestion à faire à Hexasoft ? --Salix (talk) 00:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@Salix: . Pour ce qui est de ma réaction, elle est due à TED. Qui tient à faire des changements sans en référer aux autres. source=Tropicos est son invention (et afficher NCBI aussi).

Regardes cette modif dans la taxobox: c'est en fait un changement discret de classification. Ce n'est plus du APGIII mais APGIII selon Chase et Reveal (appellons le APGIIICR) (Le fait que 2 clades soient remplacer par classe et sous-classe + l'étrange ancètre Equisetopsida).

Je n'ai rien contre APGIIICR sauf la facon de le faire:

• ce n'a rien à voir avec Tropicos. Il a choisi ca car c'est un site consensuel, alors que il aurait fallu expliquer "selon Chase et Reveal".
• il ne dit pas le changement de APGIII à APGIIICR. Du coup pas besoin de consensus. Sur de.wikipedia ils ont décider d'attendre un large consensus de la communauté scientifique en faveur de APGIIICR ou APGIVCR.
• il faut ca lentement
• la base de APGIIICR c'est de mettre les Angiospermes sous Equisetopsida. Mais regardes fr:Equisetopsida, ca parle de prèles (des plantes préhistoriques) pas d'angiospermes ni de APGIIIRC. Il faudrait modifer cet article pour expliquer la bizarrerie.

Amitiés Liné1 (talk) 20:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Je comprends mieux, moi-même j'ai failli rendre mon tablier ! J'allais te dire que TED ne contribue plus depuis mars 2015 et que tu peux revenir tranquillement, mais je vois qu'il est revenu récemment... et sans doute aussi sous IP. Le calme relatif qui règne sur le café des biologistes sera de courte durée... En attendant, il faudrait bien qu'on résolve ce problème d'APG ! Je vais voir avec Hexasoft, mais ton aide est la bienvenue car tout ceci me dépasse un peu. --Salix (talk) 21:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

(suite) Donnes-tu le feu vert ? --Salix (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Category:Amblyopsidae

You have reverted my edition, but you don't fix the problem... Look here: Category:Cavefish. Redirected categories should be empty... Fix it, please. Wieralee (talk) 11:39, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Wieralee: you are absolutaly right ;-) What bothered me was that you did put Category:Amblyopsidae in Category:Amblyopsidae.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Template:Biohist/sandbox

Liné1, I am working on rewriting Template:Biohist/sandbox and was thinking about replacing {{Biohist}}'s fields: Kingdom,Phylum,Class,Order,Family, and Genus with a field "Taxon" which will call {{Taxonavigation}} or similar template. Can you help me with this part of the template. I foind it quite hard to figure out how to use {{Taxonavigation}} in that setting. --Jarekt (talk) 17:39, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Jarekt: ,

{{Taxonavigation}} is meant for taxon categories. The Taxonavigation of a category (for exemple, a species cat) is the the taxonavigation of its parent category (the genus cat) + an additional line corresponding to the current taxon.

But of course, it you have some of the 7 taxon ranks you can call a taxonavigation.

I started to modify your sandbox template to make it work.

Seems that I will need a few tries.

I will keep you in touch.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 18:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Template:Biohist might also have fields to use for "classification" and "authority" parameters as well. --Jarekt (talk) 18:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I created {{Biohist/testcases}}. --Jarekt (talk) 20:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Sadly, {{Taxonavigation}} has a different behavior in a Template page

Not a problem, I will modify an existing page without saving it

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 20:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Jarekt:

I think that it is working better.

I had to improve my template to avoid putting a documentation in your documentation.

Otherwithe, it was only a problem on how we called it from your template.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

 Thank you. --Jarekt (talk) 02:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Category:Nephesa deducta

Can you fix it, please?
Have a nice day :-) Wieralee (talk) 07:14, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry: when my wife calls me, I stop contributing immediately.

But my browser does not forget where I was and what I have to do ;-)

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 12:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)