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Robin S. Taylor (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Coat of arms of the United Kingdom in Scotland (1901-1952, variant 2).svg

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Robin S. Taylor (talk) 21:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Robin S. Taylor (talk) 21:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tudor Crown

I suggest you consider making a version of the Tudor Crown 2D coat of arms without the obvious bend at the bottom. Currently, most of the coat of arms crowns on Wikipedia do not have such an obvious bend at the bottom. This is also to prevent it from looking too out of place when displayed alongside other heraldic crowns. File:1901 pattern Tudor Crown (original colours) curved.svg File:2022 pattern Tudor Crown (2D) Sodacan style.svg 2401:E180:8801:A38:D2BF:91A8:2BE0:63D7 15:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message.

The curvature for the 1901 crown comes from the official depictions shown here.^[1] However, I have added a flatter 1901 crown, also shown.

The curvature of the 2022 crown is also a reflection of the official design - see page 21 of this reference.^[2] However, I have also created a flatter design shown alongside. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 1901 flatter crown is currently uploaded separately, but the 2022 flatter crown does not seem to have been uploaded separately.

The purpose of my message is to hope that this type of crown with a flatter bottom (mainly the 2022 version) can be uploaded independently 2401:E180:8801:A38:D2BF:91A8:2BE0:63D7 16:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If possible, I hope that the base of the 2022 version uploaded separately can be flatter than the one in Royal arms and crests of the United Kingdom (both variants).svg, closer to the base of the 1901 crown you made. 2401:E180:8801:A38:D2BF:91A8:2BE0:63D7 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that the bottom curvature of the 2022 crown 2D version reflects the official design, but this makes it look inconsistent when displayed with other emblems. From the current actual application, there are also examples where the bottom curvature of the crown has been reduced. , the bottom curvature does not fully follow the design guidelines. 2401:E180:8801:A38:D2BF:91A8:2BE0:63D7 16:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The exception is the Privy Council (United Kingdom).svg you uploaded a few days ago. It may need to be revised. According to the reference source, the placement of the crown has changed and is slightly different from the past. 2401:E180:8801:A38:D2BF:91A8:2BE0:63D7 16:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So I mainly hope that you can upload the 2022 2D version of the Tudor crown with a less curvature at the bottom separately. And I also hope that you can modify

according to the current Privy Council ( United Kingdom) 2401:E180:8892:BD01:CF22:B646:9ED0:3AD3 11:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are the reference document sources

https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/2024-11-06-List-of-Business.pdf

https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/

2401:E180:8892:BD01:CF22:B646:9ED0:3AD3 11:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Updated the Privy Council file as requested.

You may also have missed a discussion here about some of your other requests:

Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Replace_3D_Tudor_Crown_in_two_images

Dgp4004 (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thx 2401:E180:8830:FA23:2CCE:511D:A445:850F 09:04, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any case where it is actually used on Flag?

I haven't seen this 2D version of the crown used on Flag yet, and from the example image he shared on the reference source website (although it's still St. Edward's Crown), the curvature of the bottom of his crown is not that high.

From the actual pictures, the curvature of the crown base is close to the version you see in Royal arms and crests of the United Kingdom (both variants).svg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BFN9PW/member-of-the-antigua-coastguard-displaying-their-flag-during-the-BFN9PW.jpg 112.105.152.215 04:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've not seen any 2022 Tudor Crown flags in the wild yet. We'll have to wait and see. But so far, they haven't deviated from the 2022 Royal Cypher design. Dgp4004 (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think that the curvature of the bottom of the Tudor crown used in the Flag of the Commander in Chief of Antigua and Barbuda should be further reduced (until the actual use case comes out, continue to use the one used in the St. Edward's Crown version of the flag). The degree of curvature of the crown bottom) will be further adjusted after the actual use case comes out. 2401:E180:8D04:AFD2:CC79:2D8F:6769:611F 06:05, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be better to do this at least until the new version of the flag has an official reference standard, because we don't know whether Crown will be further modified when it is used on the Flag, because from what I see now, this The 2D version of this crown is currently mostly only on the coat of arms, we are not sure how they will be used on the flag.

However, your opinion does make sense, but it seems a bit inappropriate to me. The main reason is that I have seen that the guidance standards before 2022 also have a version with a higher degree of bottom curvature (St. Edward's Crown), so I think we can't completely apply the guidelines to the flag, because at least in the past, this kind of crown with a high bottom curvature was rarely seen in the flag, so I think we should follow the updated methods of other coats of arms. Look, before the official design of the new version is released, use the previous version as a reference standard. Wait until the new version of the flag design is officially released, or there is a case study of the 2D version of the Crown being used on the flag, and then officially go to use. 2401:E180:8D04:AFD2:CC79:2D8F:6769:611F 06:35, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever considered making a Sodacan Style version of the Queen Camilla cypher? Currently, the only version of the Queen Camilla cypher in Wikipedia that is close to the official standard design style is the one that is used, but from the example of Charles III's cypher, wikl doesn't seem to use this style directly. Design version, so I would like you to make a Sodacan Style version of Queen Camilla cypher 2401:E180:8D04:AFD2:CC79:2D8F:6769:611F 07:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the 1901 crown:

Are there any sources showing the outer jewels of the 1901 crown to be blue?

The 1916 Admiralty publication on British flags and badges [1] shows a similar jewel color throughout. The first, third, and fifth jewels are red, and the second and fourth jewels are green.

This same design is shown for the badges of Nigeria, Queensland, Victoria, New Hebrides, the Solomon Islands, the territory of Papua, and the Western Pacific High Commissioner.

So at least on badges and ensigns, the outer jewels of the 1901 crown were red. SVG-image-maker (talk) 14:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @SVG-image-maker,

The design was approved as part of the Royal Cypher by King Edward VII on 4 May 1901 and issued by the War Office in a sealed pattern. There is a photograph of the sealed pattern here:

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalmaga5190unse/page/92/mode/2up

Whether the original drawing was coloured or not, we don't know. But C.W. Scott-Giles describes it in Boutell's Heraldry (1950):

'The official design shows a circlet jewelled with a ruby between two emeralds, with two sapphires showing at the edges...'^[3]

He also includes an illustration (no.8):

https://archive.org/details/boutellsheraldry0000unse/page/n253/mode/2up

And shown in the arms of Canada given in 1921:

https://archive.org/details/heraldry0000bedi/page/132/mode/2up

Although Edward VII gave instructions that 'no deviation from it whatever will be permitted', the reality was that dozens and dozens of variations emerged, especially after his death. It really depended on who drew it as to what colours or shapes you got. You'll notice that the design initially had an emerald mound, but that was often depicted as gold. If the sealed pattern was issued as a black and white photograph, that would explain a lot.

So the admiralty drawings aren't wrong exactly (even though it looks like they employed a child to draw them) - they're just deviations of the authorised design. Dgp4004 (talk) 18:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that I considered including the emerald mound in some designs but decided against it. People have got so used to a gold mound that it just looks wrong to make it green. It's so controversial (and little used in the wild) that I created two versions shown above - one with and one without. Dgp4004 (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

File:Coat of arms of the United Kingdom (2022, lesser arms).svg

Hi, thank you for all of your work on Wikimedia! I have a question regarding your image here, and I've posted it on that image's talk page, if you could please have a look at that. Thanks, Blairall (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

↑ (1902). "The Royal Arms and Cypher for the Present Reign". The Genealogical Magazine 5: 93–94.
↑ Symbols of State Guidance. The Public Safety Foundation (UK) (July 2023). Retrieved on 19 July 2024.
↑ Boutell, Charles (1950) Boutell's Heraldry (Revised ed.), London and New York: Frederick Warne & Co Ltd., p. 184

[Genealogical_Magazine_1902-1] (1902). "The Royal Arms and Cypher for the Present Reign". The Genealogical Magazine 5: 93–94.

[Symbols_of_State_Guidance_2023-2] Symbols of State Guidance. The Public Safety Foundation (UK) (July 2023). Retrieved on 19 July 2024.

[Boutell_1950-3] Boutell, Charles (1950) Boutell's Heraldry (Revised ed.), London and New York: Frederick Warne & Co Ltd., p. 184

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