Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Views from the Louvre Pyramid

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Files in Category:Views from the Louvre Pyramid

The pyramid was completed by architect I. M. Pei (1917–2019) in 1989. Unfortunately, there is no freedom of panorama in France. The copyright term lasted for 70 years, and the images can be undeleted in 2090.

A1Cafel (talk) 16:39, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

French case law admits an exception if the copyrighted artwork is "accessory compared to the main represented or handled subject" (CA Paris, 27 octobre 1992, Antenne 2 c/ société Spadem, « la représentation d'une œuvre située dans un lieu public n'est licite que lorsqu'elle est accessoire par rapport au sujet principal représenté ou traité »). French case law states that the said artwork must not be intentionally included as an element of the setting: its presence in the picture must be unavoidable (CA Versailles, 26 janvier 1998, Sté Movie box c/ Spadem et a.): File:Louvre Palace.jpg is a photo of the Louvre Palace. The pyramid is not the subject and is unavoidably included. This does not violate the copyright law. 72.190.148.161 16:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The file "Palais du Louvre, reflet sur la Pyramide.jpg" should not be deleted under French copyright law and/or case law, as it does not show the protected work (The Pei Pyramid) itself. It only shows The Louvre Palace (not protected) as seen in the reflection of a panel (fragment) of the Pei Pyramid. That fragment is blurred and distorted, therefore making it unrecognizable. Furthermore, this photo is not licensed (nor actually used) for commercial use. Blue 439 (talk) 16:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that that photo should be kept, because we see no distinctive element of the pyramid, only a view through glass. That said, all photos hosted on Commons have to be available for commercial use, but again, I don't see how there could be a problem with this picture. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The same is true of File:Inside the Pyramid-Louvre museum.jpg which shows a building of the Louvre as seen through walls of the pyramid, and is not an image of the pyramid per se. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Blue 439: "not licensed (nor actually used) for commercial use" violates COM:Licensing#Forbidden licenses. While the image file may have been nominated by mistake (and I think it is OK since a single panel is not copyrightable, but multiple panels may be), your declaration that it is for non-commercial use only makes the photo's commercial CC license questionable. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 18:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think their declaration does anything to the license, as they are not the photographer; they just don't understand the requirements of Commons. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ikan Kekek: Blue 439 is the photographer of File:Palais du Louvre, reflet sur la Pyramide.jpg as seen in the description page (and proven by file history). In terms of the artistic work, it is de minimis for me (a single panel is not an architect's output), but Blue 439's statement of "Furthermore, this photo is not licensed (nor actually used) for commercial use" contradicts with the commercial CC license used in the photo and may run afoul of COM:Licensing#Acceptable licenses. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:22, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all of them: precedent. 2804:14D:5C32:614F:2199:B458:3713:8252 06:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:Le Louvre (155547755).jpeg and File:Lines (202649459).jpeg is to Keep, the main subject is not protected, the pyramid is not enough to be under copyright. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton^m 19:03, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Understood, JWilz12345. Commons' terms don't allow non-commercial licensing. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: therefore, @Blue 439: must clarify if he really wants to continue hosting his photo under the indicated CC licensing. But anyway, CC licenses are irrevocable, especially if the photo has been sitting around for more than a year. The admins will have a final say if his change of licensing will be accepted as valid and the file must be deleted, or not accepted (since the license is irrevocable) and the file can be kept. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 10:38, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right. I'm sorry; I guess I made the mistake of not checking to see if he was the photographer and somehow assuming he was just engaging in a discussion. Slipshod of me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:30, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please Keep some of the photos in which the pyramid is only de minimis. For example, in File:Louvre and Pyramid, Paris January 2014 002.jpg we can see only some beams and wire ropes (or however it is called) of the pyramid, i.e. only details which may be of interest for civil engineering, but certainly have no artistic or creative value in themselves; the main motif is certainly the Louvre façade. --Aristeas (talk) 13:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Still, multiple panels of the pyramid may subject to copyright protection. --A1Cafel (talk) 08:18, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @A1Cafel: You shouldn't nominate files for deletion just because they may have a copyright. You should select files which are a real issue only. Yann (talk) 10:17, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Crossed out File:Palais du Louvre, reflet sur la Pyramide.jpg which didn't show any details of the pyramid. --A1Cafel (talk) 10:19, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: So many of these are free that it's not worth sorting through them. Please re-nominate any with real issues. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Views from the Louvre Pyramid

Files in Category:Views from the Louvre Pyramid

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