Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall)

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall) 1

per Commons:Freedom of panorama#Iceland and/or COM:DW.

Josve05a (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I´d uploaded Harpa Feb 2014 1.JPG, unfortunately I didn´t know about this problem, I first read afterwards about it...So if it will be deleted would be sad, but what else could we do? I´d also uploaded 2 more, should they not also be deleted? --Schnuffel2002 (talk) 12:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do not deleet that nice Fotos. Did any Islandic institution or person complain about it? No? So What? --Bernello (talk) 20:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to the Icelandic law (COM:FOP#Iceland) and COM:PRP on how to be cautious about these instead of "nobody complained". Josve05a (talk) 11:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Expect File:Main hall (5719867951).jpg as the pic doesen't show anything architectural. Sanandros (talk) 21:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall) 2

It is with considerable regret that I nominate these files for deletion, as I think that Harpa is a great building, really stunning architecture, and there should be images of it on Commons. Unfortunately, Iceland has only non-commercial FoP, and therefore we can't accept images of modern architecture in Iceland where the architect(s) died less than 70 years ago.

Some pictures in the category I didn't nominate, such as File:Amazing Show (6074007822).jpg (I think the architecture is incidental in this case, it's about the show), File:Byggeplads i Reykjavik.jpg (not much of the actual architecture recognizable in this photo of the construction site), or File:C Arrival of Thor - Icelandic Coast Guard 2011-10-27 Reykjavik.jpg (it's about the arrival of the coast guard ship "Thor" with Harpa in the background).

Gestumblindi (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Jcb (talk) 00:29, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall) 3

It seems that people are uploading Harpa images all the time, and I'm not surprised, as it has become a kind of iconic building, but unfortunately, nothing has changed in Icelandic law since the last bunch of deletions - Iceland has only non-commercial FoP, and therefore we can't accept images of modern architecture in Iceland where the architect(s) died less than 70 years ago.

Gestumblindi (talk) 01:07, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: as above. ~riley (talk) 06:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Harpa 4

No FOP in Iceland

— JJMC89 (T·C) 02:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Gbawden (talk) 06:43, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall) 5

Another bunch. Iceland has only non-commercial FoP, and therefore we can't accept images of modern architecture in Iceland where the architect(s) died less than 70 years ago. I nominated images from the category where the Harpa concert hall is the main subject, but not more general views of the area or photos where the architecture of Harpa isn't prominent (such as of performers in the hall)

Gestumblindi (talk) 01:39, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Gestumblindi: Seriously. I'm no involved in this case, but I'm very sad seeing pictures massacred like this in Commons. You may strangle a hundred pictures today, but tomorrow you may strangle a million pictures just to obey the multi-interpreted law. I've contacted the designer of Harpa in order to ask him for the licensing of the photographs. Next time, if you want to deal with the FoP law and the designer is still alive, please, I beg you. Please attempt to contact the author first. This way, we would know the exact license of the installation, rather than using your own hands to execute the FoP. Thanks.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 10:28, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: Of course, if we receive written confirmation (via COM:OTRS) by the copyright owner (might be the designer, in this case Ólafur Elíasson, I think? - but could also be someone else if the rights were transferred) that they agree to a free license that also allows the commercial use by anyone (that's a requirement for Commons), then we could keep the images, and also restore the deleted ones. But don't you think that's rather unlikely? Especially in the case of modern architecture and such iconic buildings, right owners usually would like to be able to exploit the rights alone. It would also not be practical for every case of modern architecture attempting to "contact the author first" (or their heirs), as very often we can see that a building is modern and it's unlikely that the author died more than 70 years ago, but we don't know their name. Nothing is lost forever, though: As soon as we receive permission or the rights expire, deleted photos on Commons can be restored. For example, soon this will be the case for some very famous buildings: We have deleted lots of photos of Hallgrímskirkja and other buildings by Icelandic architect Guðjón Samúelsson, but as he died in 1950, the term of protection will have expired in 2021. On January 1, 2021 we can restore all these deleted photos, and in the future will be able to host new photos of his works. Gestumblindi (talk) 11:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Christian Ferrer (talk) 10:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall) 6

The concert hall was completed in 2011 by Olafur Eliasson (1967–). Unfortunately, there is no Commons-acceptable FoP in Iceland, thus permission from the architect is required

A1Cafel (talk) 16:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall) 7

The concert hall was completed in 2011 by Olafur Eliasson (1967–). Unfortunately, there is no Commons-acceptable FoP in Iceland, thus permission from the architect is required

A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Rosenzweig τ 12:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall)

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Time for another "Harpa cleanup", I'm afraid. As usual, several of the images in the category where the architecture of the concert hall is not the main subject are fine (such as those focussing on performers with elements of Harpa in the background), but there are now again many uploads where the architecture (outside or inside) dominates the image; those we can't keep as there is no FoP for commercial use in Iceland. Several were transferred recently from flickr with a CC-BY license, but I don't see any evidence that this applies to the copyrighted building (and not just to the photographs).

Gestumblindi (talk) 20:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the images only trivially show elements of Harpa, like File:Alone (27464844672).jpg which (in my first impression) is about an interior corridor or walkway with the architectural elements being secondary. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:13, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep most of them per JWilz12345. Some of them are obviously de minimis. --A1Cafel (talk) 02:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did go to quite great lengths to exclude images from my request that show parts of Harpa that are only appearing de minimis. File:Alone (27464844672).jpg very clearly shows the iconic architecture of the Harpa building from the interior; everyone who has ever been to Harpa will immediately recognize it, with the ramp to the left and part of the honeycomb design of the facade being important parts of the image's composition. That's not de minimis in my opinion. There may be two or three images in the current request that are slightly debatable, but if you look at photos like File:Harpa (48707508133).jpg, File:Harpa (48707471298).jpg, File:Lines of Harpa Concert Hall.jpg (interior shots) or File:Harpa 2019 44 DSCF9551.jpg (exterior), it's clear that the Harpa building is the main subject. - Also note that some of the images have already been deleted in one of the previous DR's and since been re-uploaded, so those are in fact candidates for speedy deletion (you would need to file an undeletion request if you want to argue that deletion was, in fact, in error), such as File:Things to do in Iceland (6943902386).jpg, which was deleted in 2017 by Jcb. Gestumblindi (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Gestumblindi I think those Flickr re-imports were imported by different users. There is no mechanism or no way for Flickr-2-Commons to automatically block imports of previously-deleted images, as Flickr-2-Commons only blocks imports of existing, visible photos. This is not only specific to Harpa, but this also happens in all works of no-FOP countries. You can instead tag the Flickr "re-imports" with {{Copyvio}} and state the reason that it is a re-upload of a file deleted by consensus, with reference to the particular DR. This prevents needless discussions, since the first import was already discussed and deleted. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:24, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: That's a good idea, as processing this DR takes a surprisingly long time given the, in my opinion, quite clear case and similar previous Harpa DRs which always resulted in deletions. I will now go through the list and tag all previously deleted files with {{Speedy}}. Gestumblindi (talk) 09:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC) PS: Well, there were only two cases of "flickr re-uploads", after all. But most of the rest are also very clear cases for deletion IMHO. Gestumblindi (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As the speedy deletion requests were declined by Billinghurst (see here) we will have to wait for someone processing these two together with the rest. Gestumblindi (talk) 23:52, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345, thanks for mentioning the problem with using Flickr2 Commons. Upload Wizard does identify "previously-deleted images" and gives a choice for the user to "delete" before the performing the upload. -- Ooligan (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most of these images are very clearly protected by copyright, and in several deletion requests in the past, Harpa images of this kind have always been deleted (just look at the closed discussions). I don't get this "per above" argument at all. Gestumblindi (talk) 23:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted some, kept others. This turned into a bit of a w:en:WP:CLUSTERFUCK. No prejudice to renominating the kept ones in smaller, more similar batches. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall)

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Despite the warning template in the category, people still often upload images of the copyrighted Harpa building which aren't acceptable on Commons as Iceland has no Commons-compatible freedom of panorama that allows commercial use. Before the list gets too long again, I'm nominating the IMHO more blatant and clear-cut cases from recent uploads (so, no borderline cases this time, only images dominated by Harpa's architecture).

Gestumblindi (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 15:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Harpa (concert hall)

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Only yesterday my latest deletion request for Harpa images was closed and the images were deleted, but in the meantime, people have again uploaded Harpa images; is there no way to make them read/heed the warning template...? Anyway, I'll just repeat the reason from the last request: "Despite the warning template in the category, people still often upload images of the copyrighted Harpa building which aren't acceptable on Commons as Iceland has no Commons-compatible freedom of panorama that allows commercial use. Before the list gets too long again, I'm nominating the IMHO more blatant and clear-cut cases from recent uploads (so, no borderline cases this time, only images dominated by Harpa's architecture)."

Gestumblindi (talk) 19:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Rosenzweig τ 19:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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