User talk:LX/Archive/2014: July to September

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Translation

Hi, you wrote a nice guideline for paid editors and I liked your approach (educate them rather than bully them) and wanted to thank you by translating your text into German for a wider audience. But although I clicked on "Deutsch" on the page, the German text replaced the English text rather than offering both. Obviously, the "Deutsch"-link just relates to the template, not to the text under it. I reverted myself - but maybe, if you want a translation, you know how to add it without harming the original text. --Rudolph Buch (talk) 22:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for your translation work! The German version is now available at Commons:Guidance for paid editors/de. —LX (talk, contribs) 23:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Gamla vykort.

Hejsan! Eftersom du verkar ha rätt bra koll på det här med upphovsrätt så tänkte jag fråga dig om råd innan jag ladder upp bilder den här gången. På engelska Wikipedia håller jag på med en artikel om konstnären John Bauer och jag behöver en bild av John monumentet i Jönköping. Jag har hittat ett par gamla vykort som jag skannat in och kan ladda upp. Det finns inga som helst datum eller fotografnamn på dom och bolagen som anges på baksidan av bilderna finns inte att hitta hos Bolagsverket. Av kvalitén och trycktekniken så gissar jag att dom är från i alla fall före 50-talet, men det går ju inte att vara säker. Hur bör jag göra? Tacksam för råd. - W.carter (talk) 15:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Jag kan tänka mig att {{PD-Sweden-photo}} skulle kunna vara aktuellt för fotografierna (det verkar som att i princip alla fotografier anses vara fotografiska bilder och inte fotografiska verk, och då är de i allmän ägo om de är tagna före 1969) och {{FoP-Sweden}} för avbildningen av monumentet. Monumentets upphovsman är Karl Hultström, vilket bör finnas med i beskrivningen. —LX (talk, contribs) 16:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Tack för hjälpen. :) Och tack för påminnelsen om Karl Hultström, det höll jag helt på att glömma! Det rör ju sig om ett foto av ett annat konstverk. Jag ladder upp dom så får vi väl se om det är någon som har något att invända. Häls! - W.carter (talk) 16:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Angelo Campos Peruvian.jpg

This discussion has been moved back to User talk:PrinceSulaiman#File:Angelo Campos Peruvian.jpg. Please respect my request to keep discussions where they started. Don't continue discussions from elsewhere on this page, as this makes discussions harder to follow. Thank you. —LX (talk, contribs) 16:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Sysop?

Hello, You are doing a great work. I am happy to nominate you as admin if you agree. Regards. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:30, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Steinsplitter! I do appreciate the sentiment, but as I've explained at User talk:LX/Archive/2012: January to March#Adminship, User talk:LX/Archive/2012: January to March#Admin?, User talk:LX/Archive/2011: January to March#Admin and #Admin, adminship is highly problematic for Swedish users given current Commons policies, so regretfully, I'm not interested in being an administrator again. (Stefan4 has also written a more detailed explanation of the problems User talk:Stefan4#Adminship.) Thanks, —LX (talk, contribs) 05:43, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, :( okay --Steinsplitter (talk) 13:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries. :) —LX (talk, contribs) 18:05, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Note: The correct link is User talk:Stefan4/Arkiv 1#Adminship. --Stefan4 (talk) 14:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Earnestly desiring to fix debacle of >>>> HELP! File:Karl_W_Richter.jpg How to CATEGORIZE (United States Air Force Pilot)???

I don't know if it is OK for me to write you here, but you kindly responded with some concerns re. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Help_desk#.3E.3E.3E.3E_HELP.21_File:Karl_W_Richter.jpg_How_to_CATEGORIZE_.28United_States_Air_Force_Pilot.29.3F.3F.3F I initially respond there but now realize maybe what I was writing should have been placed here instead? So at the risk of displaying even more incompetence, I'm going to repeat myself here, verbatim, and [t]hank you for responding to my request for help. You sound like you are very experienced and I feel like an incompetent schmuck for not having done things properly. Is there the chance that you would you be willing to mentor me in taking the remedial actions that you suggest? I am devastated to learn that I transferred this file incorrectly - even though it was my first time to do so, I would never have wanted to introduce errors or inaccuracies into the new file and am just so upset with myself for even attempting to do it. I should've known that I wouldn't be able to do this properly and wish I hadn't, but now I feel like I don't have any choice but to see it through. Oh geeze :( I >really< would appreciate any help/guidance you could provide, especially because I can't imagine how upset people will be at me if the file has to be deleted and the article stripped of its image. I'm so upset already as it is. If you can't or won't help me resolve the issues you cited, should that be interpreted as disapproval? Am I gonna get in trouble? Oh please help me fix this - I want to do what's right but I lack confidence and some experience...ok, thank you again for taking the time to advise me that I dropped the ball. Azx2 07:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

You were in the right place to begin with. El Grafo has already written an excellent reply there, which I don't have much to add to, other than to say I'm sorry if my comment came off as harsh. It's good that you're taking these things seriously, but don't take them so seriously that you get upset or devastated! It's nothing that can't be fixed. Start with El Grafo's advice, and if you have any follow-up questions, pop into the help desk. Cheers, —LX (talk, contribs) 18:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:Companies of the Dominican Republic

I think I understand your concern about overcategorization here. Is it that this category is already in Category:Companies of the Caribbean, which is also under companies of North America? I usually don't like that kind of thing, either, but there needs to be somewhere that all the categories for a continent's countries are listed together. I have been working with continent categories, and in most cases, that place is directly under the continent category, even if some or all of the countries are also in categories for regions like the Caribbean. Sometimes a category like "companies of North American by country" is used if needed based on what else is in the category.

To make "by country" categories for North America would mean creating dozens of new categories, if not more. That's just for one continent -- other continents have similar issues. In most cases, creating these new categories would make things more complicated where we have gotten along well without them. In some cases, the new category would be the only thing in the parent category. There is something called "non-diffusing subcategories" that's applicable here. Non-diffusing subcategories allow for all of something to be listed together in a parent category for convenience, even if the items listed are also in subcategories. I wonder, can we agree to let the countries be in both places where there are categories for the Caribbean? --Auntof6 (talk) 08:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

You understand correctly, and I see your point, but I'm not particularly excited about making exceptions to the overcategorization rule. It's not particularly clear to me from the text on English Wikipedia when and why that principle should apply. With most of their examples, we'd have a "by name" subcategory to avoid overcategorization, and I think that's clearer and more consistent. Personally, I'd prefer the "by country" approach in this case. —LX (talk, contribs) 18:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of my photo: 2014-07-06 Photo Plaque Hungerford Hall Hamilton College John N. Hungerford.jpg

Hi LX,

You state the following: "It seems unlikely that this plaque is the uploader's own work." This is incorrect. I arranged for the plaque to be put up in memory of John N. Hungerford; Hamilton College will verify this. I also took the photo myself. Can you be more specific as to why you believe that I did not take the photo. Please note that I took a number of photos that day of the plaque and the college campus, which I can show you. I request that the photo be reinstated because it helps illustrate some of the points made in the Wikipedia entry for JNH. Thank you.

Best,

-AJHAJHAJH — Preceding unsigned comment added by AJHAJHAJH (talk • contribs) 03:28, 4 August 2014‎ (UTC)

It's not that I don't believe you took the photo; I'm sure you did. What I stated in Commons:Deletion requests/File:2014-07-06 Photo Plaque Hungerford Hall Hamilton College John N. Hungerford.jpg was that it seems unlikely that you are the author of the text and the portrait on the plaque. If I'm mistaken, you can request undeletion at Commons:Undeletion requests. —LX (talk, contribs) 07:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello

This discussion has been moved back to User talk:Empire of War#File tagging File:Sketch of Great Fire of Brisbane.jpg. Please respect my request to keep discussions where they started. Don't continue discussions from elsewhere on this page, as this makes discussions harder to follow. Thank you. —LX (talk, contribs) 11:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Ever thought of...

(not worries, I won't ask you to become an admin ;-))... but maybe access to OTRS might be useful for you? Trijnstel_talk 15:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I used to have it, and I gave it up at the same time I resigned as an administrator. Since it doesn't involve the ability to delete files, it doesn't create the same problems with having obligations under Swedish law that conflict with expectations under Commons' policy, as far as I can tell. However, I'm still a bit hesitant, since it does involve dealing with copyright issues and representing the project to a greater extent than can be said of regular users. From a more practical perspective, I'm not sure I could be as active in OTRS activities as I used to be. With OTRS requiring timely responses for ongoing tickets and me having rather frequent and unpredictable business trips and other commitments, I'm not sure I'd be able to provide a level of service that I would expect of myself, and I don't like having elevated privileges without using them actively. —LX (talk, contribs) 18:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Museiekatalog.

Hej! Jag håller på med flera artiklar ang Svenska Ostindiska Companiet på engelska Wikipedia. Nu har jag hittat en utställningskatalog utgiven av Göteborgs museum från 1965 med bilder på porslin och tavlor. Samtliga avbildade föremål finns ju i samlingarna och är därför ok att fotografera. Men, kan jag ladda upp och använda bilderna under {{PD-Sweden-photo}} eftersom dom är tagna av en okänd fotograf på museet före 1969? Textens författare är dock känd, Stig Roth. Ska jag I så fall även ange någon licens för själva föremålen? Det brukar inte finnas sådana tillägg på bilder av museiföremål, men det kanske bara är en miss. Tacksam för lite hjälp, W.carter (talk) 11:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hej W.carter! Innan jag säger något annat ska jag säga att jag är inte jurist, och det här utgör inte juridisk rådgivning, utan det är allmän vägledning angående Commons regler mot bakgrund av min lekmannaförståelse av svensk och amerikansk upphovsrätt. Ja, svenska fotografiska bilder tagna före 1969 kan i allmänhet laddas upp med {{PD-Sweden-photo}} som upphovsrättsmall. Katalogskyddet bör inte heller vara något problem med tanke på katalogens ålder. För fotografier som avbildar något som kan vara föremål för upphovsrättsskydd är det viktigt att säkerställa att även den upphovsrätten är utgången och dokumentera det på filbeskrivningssidan. Bruksföremål som porslin skyddas i allmänhet inte av upphovsrätt. Upphovsrätten för tavlor som är samtida med Svenska Ostindiska Companiet nästan helt säkert utgången, och i sådana uppenbara fall kan jag tänka mig att dokumentationen många gånger är bristfällig, men vet man vem konstnären är och när vederbörande dog bör man givetvis notera det. Att ha ett verk i sina samlingar ger inte museer någon upphovsrätt, utan den tillhör skaparen eller dess arvingar. I den mån texten i katalogen uppnår verkshöjd skyddas den fortfarande av upphovsrätt eftersom Roth dog för mindre än 70 år sedan, så den får inte finnas med. —LX (talk, contribs) 16:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Tack snälla du för det ingående och mycket upplysande svaret. Jag förstår naturligtvis att du inte är någon officiell frågelåda :). Men har man fått bra svar av någon tidigare så är det ju tyvärr rätt enkelt att fråga igen. Jag är inte så särskillt hemma på just Commons, men jag ska kola lite om det finns något ställe dit man kan vända sig annars med frågor liknande denna. Du ska veta att jag har tagit till mig dina tidigare (även dom utmärkta) svar, och med utgångspunkt av dom kunnat studera vidare när det gäller upphovsrätter på bilder. Tack för att du tagit dig tid att utbilda mig. W.carter (talk) 18:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Det är klart att du får fråga mig om du vill – jag ville bara vara tydlig med i vilken utsträckning man kan förlita sig på svaret och vilket ansvar man har själv, och det gäller ju alla hjälpforum här eftersom vi alla är frivilliga. Mer centraliserade frågesidor är Commons:Help desk Commons:Upload help, Commons:Village pump/Copyright och Commons:Bybrunnen. Jag läser och skriver på samtliga, så det är inte helt otroligt att det ändå är jag som svarar om du skriver där. :-) —LX (talk, contribs) 14:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

You deleted several photos which I took

I took several photos, including ones from a 19th century family album, and you deleted them. Now two photos I did not take and that is fine but you deleted at least 4 photos which I am in possession of and nobody else is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugzyandmax (talk • contribs) 03:03, 22 August 2014‎ (UTC)

Since I'm not an administrator, I cannot and did not delete anything. If you look at Special:Log/Mugzyandmax and click on the file in question, you will see the deletion log entry for the file, identifying the administrator who deleted it.

When uploading files to Commons, you are responsible for making sure that the source, authorship and copyright information you provide is complete and truthful. I marked one of your uploads (File:Juggi outside Mazar-i-Sharif.jpg) as an obvious copyright violation and corrected the information on another (File:Mickey Edelstein.jpg). I marked several files as missing truthful source information, as it was obvious that the information you had provided was not correct. Please understand that "own work" means a work that you personally created without relying on a pre-existing work by another person, that "author" means the person who created the work, and that having a copy of a photo in your possession (even if it is the only copy) does not necessarily mean that you are the copyright holder. —LX (talk, contribs) 14:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Upload Wizard feedback

It was a very nice surprise to see you're answering some feedback there. Thank you!! --Nemo 15:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I've been watching and participating since it was called Commons:Usability ideas and issues before it was coopted for today's much more narrow focus. These days, it feels a bit silly since I'm not really in a position to affect any actual change, but hopefully I can at least point some people to tools that help them achieve their goals. I'm glad someone appreciates it. :) —LX (talk, contribs) 21:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Category removal

Sorry, the Borglanda category removal was possibly a bit hurried! Regards --Uli Elch (talk) 21:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the note. :) —LX (talk, contribs) 21:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

More Frisco vistas

Hello! Could you do again some more of your identification magic with this photo, please? -- Tuválkin ✉ 13:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I've only been in San Fransisco a couple of times, and I happened to recognize the fence around the Sunset reservoir in the previous photo from walking around the city, so I could work out the location from there, but this one doesn't really have any distinguishing features that I can make out. It probably needs someone with a bit more local knowledge. (Sorry for the slow response; I've been away at a trade show.) —LX (talk, contribs) 15:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks anyway, and welcome back! Someone some day will identify that particular street block. -- Tuválkin ✉ 19:44, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Image usage with expired copy right in USA

hello, sir may i use This image at Wikipedia. its copy right has been expired in USA. regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Pakistan (talk • contribs) 15:04, 21 September 2014‎ (UTC)

Questions regarding use on Wikipedia should probably be asked on the specific language edition of Wikipedia that you have in mind. As to whether or not you should have uploaded the file to Wikimedia Commons, it would have been a better idea to sort out questions at Commons:Village pump/Copyright before uploading. Anyway, you're apparently claiming that the copyright has expired because the author has been dead for more than 70 years, but you've provided no corroborating details on who the author was or when the work was first published (2014-09-17 seems unlikely). Jeremy Richards, who you list as the sole author, seems to be alive and well. It seems like he is not the original author, but rather the photographer who created the reproduction. According to the source page you list, he is claiming copyright, which he may well be entitled to despite this project's insistence on pretending that Bridgeman v. Corel applies worldwide. Those issues aside, you also haven't offered any rationale as to why the underlying work would be in the public domain in the United States. —LX (talk, contribs) 15:24, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Category:Physicians from Sweden

Sorry, this was a general pattern of categorization for all physicians. - Category:Physicians by country|xxx - Category:Natural scientists from xxx|physician - Category:People of xxx by occupation - An empty line or not, who cares? mfg --Drdoht (talk) 13:28, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

other example:

Category:Pharmacists by country|yyy - Category:Natural scientists from yyy|pharmacists - Category:People of yyy by occupation|Pharmacists

If you don't care, why make a change that only makes things harder to read? And as I noted in my edit comment, category sort keys that are the same as the name of the category (like [[Category:Natural scientists from Sweden|physician]] in a category named Category:Physicians from Sweden) are redundant, so please don't add those. —LX (talk, contribs) 13:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

National Anthem of the Republic of China.ogg

Hi, can you please resolve this problem - the website of government of Taiwan deleted old piano instrumental version of anthem and added new instrumental. But upload of new version of this file is bugged. It always presenting old version but after revert it is playing as previous version. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:National_Anthem_of_the_Republic_of_China.ogg Thank you! --ThecentreCZ (talk) 20:58, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I see no reason to believe that the performance you uploaded is in the public domain, and you shouldn't overwrite files with completely different content, so you'll need an administrator to delete what you uploaded. —LX (talk, contribs) 06:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)