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Interesting flag on a South Vietnamese envelope

While looking for old South Vietnamese government emblems on envelopes on eBay, I found this flag (The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine). While I think that this flag is probably just a modern invention for the holiday (another "festival flag"), I wonder if the usage of Chinese seal script was used to make it seem more "ancient". --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Donald Trung, it seems so. I couldn’t find any seal with such characters though, probably an original work. Do you think it’s possible to upload that envelope here? It looks interesting. On a side note, I’m almost free with all my deadlines and should be able to return some time next week! I’m working on the Self-monitoring system of Vietnamese students (you know, the Sao Đỏ and stuff). And maybe renew the Xich Quy map to clarify my work, along with uploading other illustrations of nationalistic claims (such as Hwan Guk and 16 Büyük Türk Devleti). — Daeva Trạc (talk) 22:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The envelope "PD-South VietnamGov", as for the 16 Büyük Türk Devleti, this is literally the reason why Wikipedia was bombarded with fake Turkic flags for decades. Similar to the fake Vietnamese dynastic flags.

The flag reads "Quốc Tổ Hùng Vương" (國祖雄王), my guess is that it's a ceremonial flag for the holiday. I see two (2) variants, the one on the envelope and another one on the postage stamp. -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I really like your cartography skills, I'd be interested to see how you would make a map of Africa-Eurasia where you overlap all Turkic Empires. 😃😃😃 Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like the old day:)) Hope I won’t get banned on the Turkish site for that. Now if you’ll excuse, I shall be back to my hell of a work (╥﹏╥)

While that, check my Wikipedia talk page, @Donald Trung. The Vi users are working on a project to find concrete evidence that these fictitious dynastic flags are fake. I think it would finally be the true solution to our attempt. We uploaded these flags to denounce them and let readers know they aren’t real; user like Trong take a more radical measure and attack anyone who uploaded these flags regardless of their intention; but this project actually shows readers the full picture, the origin of these flags and how they gain so much popularity. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 23:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Some levels of standards regarding fake flags should exist, flags original to the Wikimedia Commons should indeed not be welcomed, but the main issue always remains, imagine you find tonnes of books, blog posts, and even museums showing "the flag of X", then you go to Wikipedia and see that Wikipedia doesn't have it, and upload it. The civil ensign of Austria-Hungary is a good example of this, because contemporary sources used it all the freakin' time, so it's definitely one of the realest fake flags out there, despite never being an official state flag.

Anyone who has interacted with "Musée Annam" for more than 2 (two) minutes can tell that you're a different person. The fake flag witch hunt is indeed a worrying development, but we do need good ways to fight misinformation, personally I want non-official flags to have their (lack) of status in the title, but then again you accurately name fake flags when you upload them. It's such a shame that you were / still are mistreated in the way you were / are.

Maybe a map idea, but you could make a globe map where you show the different Turkic states overlap. That would be a really cool 😎 way to show the different Turkic Empires. -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

History of Annam (1428-1924)

I found this interesting book 📚 in the French National Library (BnF) about the history of Annam. It also contains quite a lot of social commentary and notes about how the government structure, kinship relationship, and even the origins of those structures worked. Interestingly enough, the "100 (one-hundred) families myth" here is explained as being a copy of the Chinese tradition, as well as the Confucian tradition of genealogy. Interestingly enough, in Mainland China, Viet-Nam, and North Korea the very important practice of keeping a Gia phả (or a Tộc phổ) has been almost completely lost to time, while in South Korea this is still regarded as something important. This was also a book written before Communist historiography was inserted, so the monarchist system isn't referred to as "Feudal" and the social relations aren't reduced to materialist interpretations as they are in the works of many modern historians.

Not sure if this type of literature is something you'd enjoy, but I thought that it is nice to see a different perspective on Vietnamese history. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

It certainly looks interesting, but my French isn’t that good to read it, unfortunately. I don’t know about the “100 families myth”, so I will do some research about it. And about the Gia phả thing, you have no idea how bad it is. Like a lot of family have a book that traces their bloodline to thousands of years and claims many historical figures as their clan members. Quite ridiculous. Here’s an example[1]. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

For whatever reason I just thought that Canadian = Francophone, as Canada is officially a bilingual country, though in practice I think that most Canadians don't speak French. For example, when the Gambit was speaking French in the film Deadpool & Wolverine the two (2) Canadian protagonists actually didn't understand it and the main protagonist said that it sounded like Minionspeak to him. Anyhow, regarding the genealogy books, only South Korea and Taiwan have maintained good clan genealogies, I am not surprised at all about the staggering amount of errors found in it, but this was also true for the historical genealogy books 📚, as adding a famous historical figure would just more prestige to a lineage.

You probably do know the myth, but under a different name, namely the story of the Lạc Long Quân and Âu Cơ, which is incidentally also the creation myth of the Tai-speaking Zhuang people from the Guangxi Province.

Genealogy books should be Wikipedia-style, in fact, I believe that some websites already have Wikipedia-style genealogy books. Plus only Northern and Central Vietnamese families tended to keep them and keep them up to date, it wasn't seen as important in southern Viet-Nam. Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. And yes, not all Canadian can speak French since not everyone thinks they will need it. Similarly, there are some Québécois who cannot speak English (though I personally think they just don’t want to) simply because they don’t feel the need to go outside of French Canadian community. I mean I could go to a China Town and Little Saigon here and there would be someone who not knows English. If you don’t practice the language long enough, you would simply forget it.

Anyhow, do you think southern Vietnamese don’t have such records because of the ‘tradition’ of migration? You know, their ancestors went north to south and were too busy to keep track of such records, and how families could continue to separate for a better place, or simply out of conflict? My paternal clan broke up because of those reasons, and sometimes I only heard about a relative once because of them. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 00:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Old films and maps

In the song Để Mị Nói Cho Mà Nghe by Huỳnh Thuỳ Linh there is a scene where a Mandarin offers money to a woman who runs away, apparently that is a reference to a scene from the 1982 film Chị Dậu (Internet Archive's Wayback Machine). At the 01:08:00 mark the Mandarin she works for attempts to rape her and after the she refuses him he offers her money. Anyhow, while watching this relatively new film I was thinking about an old Chinese film from the 1920's that I had found on Google's YouTube, I wanted to import this but the video importing tools all failed to fetch the file and at the time I didn't have access to a laptop 💻 to download the film to later upload it to the Wikimedia Commons.

What I attempt to bring up with this example is that if we don't take the time to upload something, it might just disappear.

Anyhow, what software do you use to make maps? And where do you find the templates? I used to have blank world maps I used to play around with as a kid that I had downloaded from the Wikimedia Commons almost 20 (twenty) years ago, but I moved those files into a cloud storage I forgot the password 🔑 to and now I can't remember what file I had used, I remember it was called "world map blank" or something and was easy to edit with Microsoft Paint. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Donald Trung, I normally use mapchart.net. Easy to make and edit. I also thought about using scribble maps, but it’s not as quick to make. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 00:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip. 😃😃😃 -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 01:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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