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@Srittau, @Vaibhavafro @Sbb1413, @Yann, @PM3, @Patrick Rogel and @Ohsin i recently saw your discussion at the this page. can you tell whether i can upload these photos taken from livestream about the assembly of sslv to commons under {{GODL-India|[https://www.isro.gov.in Indian Space Research Organisation]}} lisense or not Chinakpradhan (talk) 16:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

If the photos are clearly licensed under Government Open Data License, then go ahead and upload them. If they are not, then avoid uploading them as per COM:Precautionary principle. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:58, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
@Sbb1413 can you see and tell if it is licensed under Government Open Data License, here is the video to be checked. please check and see i will be grateful. Chinakpradhan (talk) 17:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
@Chinakpradhan Almost none of the content Indian Govt. agencies like ISRO, India Post etc. publish is properly marked with licencing information in fact ISRO website mentions that they own the copyright and have other restrictions placed on their content. But contrarily some of their centres (see policy pages of URSC, SAC, LPSC) have terms and conditions mentioned on their websites which allows that same content without any restrictions. The reason is Indian govt. websites use boilerplate texts recommended to them through this document(PDF, pg. 143 onward) called 'Guidelines for Indian Government Websites'. So if people really want to use ISRO content without restrictions they need to start a conversation with them and urge them to adopt restriction free guidelines and convince them that it is a good practice, it is surprising that Indian public which actually pays for all of it but can not use it! We have been using GODL but there seems to be lot of confusion whether it actually applies on media content or is it only for certain data. Unless things become clear there will always be uncertainty over whether Indian Govt. generated content can be accepted on commons or not. I hate to say it but given the apathetic and weirdly conservative attitude of Govt.agencies we might lose it all. If Indian Navy can allow it why cannot ISRO or India Post? I would urge you to use the window of opportunity you have with current ISRO administration which appears to be more mindful and open to start a conversation about this issue. Ohsin (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
@Ohsin thanks, i will avoid uploading the images now. whats the mode to converse with ISRO? i reside in West Bengal. Chinakpradhan (talk) 01:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
@Chinakpradhan You would need to start with ISROPR contact given here. Do read this as well Commons:Volunteer Response Team/Noticeboard/archive/2019 along this [[1]] to learn from earlier attempts. Also do try other creative approaches and look for communities in India working with same issues related to copyright obstructions and engage with them, there have to be some. Ohsin (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
ok will try Chinakpradhan (talk) 12:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Another resource to read. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/India Ohsin (talk) 22:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
they are not responding Chinakpradhan (talk) 03:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Gather more people to rally for the cause I guess. Govt. agencies are not supposed to be this easy. Ohsin (talk) 15:22, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
ok Chinakpradhan (talk) 09:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Help

@Huntster no one is answering if my latest bar graph ( provided in the talk page) for asds is good or not. see this. Can you say what I should do on that here only?? Chinakpradhan (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with the graph per se, but I don't know where on the page you'd want to place the chart. It's pretty overwhelmed with charts and tables as it is. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I will put that graph in place of the 4 separate existing graphs for each droneship on that page situated under the characteristics section. I mean it will be 1 graph instead of 4 graphs. The combined graph I showed will be placed will be kept under the vessels mission section @Huntster Chinakpradhan (talk) 09:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah! I understand, thanks. — Huntster (t @ c) 17:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah do you know if TORU docking System has its counterpart in us and china @Huntster

And I just spotted Messier 74 as takn by webb [2] Chinakpradhan (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I really don't know if TORU really has an equivalent. U.S. vehicles either automatically dock (with manual backups) or are berthed, and Chinese vehicles automatically dock. As far as I'm aware, TORU is strictly manual, and I don't think anyone else uses an equivalent (in modern times, at least).
That's such a beautiful image of M74. I can only imagine the sights yet to come. — Huntster (t @ c) 04:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

It's a shame that big bang ⒷⒾⒼ💥🅑🅐🅝🅖 occurred 13.8 million years ago and webb missed this as it can see things at max 13.1 millions years ago due to redshifts @Huntster Chinakpradhan (talk) 08:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hope it TORU's counterpart existed Chinakpradhan (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @Huntster can you update this File:Space station size comparison.svg as wentian has docked (in final configuration means on starboard side port of the tianhe module) and can you say what is mission that this "|}" is sitting there after the booster landings in vessel mission section on the en:Autonomous spaceport droneshipChinakpradhan (talk) 08:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

1st issue resolved 2nd unresolved @Huntster Chinakpradhan (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
I cannot help you with the first issue as I have no practical experience making SVG elements from scratch. The second issue, though, is the result of {{col-end}} being present below the Booster Landing section of List of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches. Unfortunately, due to the way that page is set up, there is no way to remove that template and still retain the page's column formatting. — Huntster (t @ c) 14:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok Chinakpradhan (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Any way to avoid it being displayed on the asds page without changing List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches @Huntster Chinakpradhan (talk) 18:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately no. The method used to transclude the graph into the ASDS page is uncommon and never imagined such a use-case. — Huntster (t @ c) 18:27, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
It honestly may be easier to host the graph on the ASDS page and transclude it to the Launches page. You might try that. — Huntster (t @ c) 18:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I got the idea from the page at Falcon 9 transcluding the whole launch statistics section @Hunster Chinakpradhan (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Will try your idea Chinakpradhan (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

It works Chinakpradhan (talk) 01:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

is this free ? @Huntster Chinakpradhan (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I would not use it. While the video may be free (though it's kind of poor quality), the watermarked bug and various text and editing may take it a bit too far. You could reach out to the uploader and see if they would release it under a free license, just to be careful. — Huntster (t @ c) 18:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
ok Chinakpradhan (talk) 19:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
@Huntster hows this File:MarsCuriosityRover-35DrillHoles-20220608.jpg?? Chinakpradhan (talk) 08:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Pretty good. Take a look at the small changes I made and you'll see what to do in the future. Use camera categories wherever possible to keep from crowding the main category, and remember that the NASA-image template is not a license template, so shouldn't go in that section. — Huntster (t @ c) 09:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
ok Chinakpradhan (talk) 09:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Huntster Is this section good or a bit messy Chinakpradhan (talk) 17:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

This talk page section? I don't think so? — Huntster (t @ c) 19:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Though I would suggest setting up automatic archiving for this page as a whole, as it is getting pretty long. Take a look at my own talk page for the code needed (which will need to be slightly modified), or I can set it up for you. — Huntster (t @ c) 19:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Huntster this section. sorry i again forgot to link the section. (about your telling about this page to be archived those are in my plans and i will archive then in next weeks)Chinakpradhan (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Huntster can i upload these photos taken from livestream about the assembly of sslv under the only isro lisence, {{GODL-India|[https://www.isro.gov.in Indian Space Research Organisation]}}. please tell Chinakpradhan (talk) 05:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
The section seems pretty good, though I would strongly advise adding citations for each tube (supporting the date/time, volume, locations, etc). As for the images, I'll honestly say I do not know enough about Indian copyright law to give advice, especially considering the words at https://www.isro.gov.in/terms-of-use. — Huntster (t @ c) 05:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
https://mars.nasa.gov/mars-rock-samples this site given at the end of table piles up all the citations together. i tried to make the copy of that page's important notes evident of the fact that the stats are kept below the table@Huntster Chinakpradhan (talk) 05:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Okay, if everything is coming from that website then that makes sense, thanks. — Huntster (t @ c) 05:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
ya that page is huge Chinakpradhan (talk) 05:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Can you check please @Huntster that is this venusian hypercurie photon as explained here in contention to be placed in this en:List of Solar System probes page or should i discard it thinking it as a usual cruise stage like mars 2020 edl cruise stage (i added but now i am confused if it must be on the page or not) Chinakpradhan (talk) 04:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Photon is a cruise stage that delivers payloads and spacecraft to their destination, but can also be utilized as a spacecraft bus if desired by the customer. In CAPSTONE, it delivered an orbiter to the Moon, and in EscaPADE, it will deliver an orbiter to Mars. It will do essentially the same thing in the Venus mission, except that the payload will be an entry vehicle, so Photon will be very much like the 2020 EDL cruise stage. — Huntster (t @ c) 23:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok Chinakpradhan (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

There's a problem @Huntster. It may sound clumsy but nasa has decided to add location of the sites of rock samples it cached and they are shown in red. I want to show them on File:Mars 2020 Perseverance Rover Traverse Path And Ingenuity Helicopter Flight Path.png but percy's blue location marking is hiding 2 sites where in total it samples are cached should I wait till Percy moves out of view. No ty even updating since the Ginny has not yet flown for 30th time. Chinakpradhan (talk) 07:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Or to avoid crowding should i upload them separately @Huntster (i don't want 2 images as in any way I have to show percy's track and as you said this together shows the overall progress of M2020 mission (you told to keep Ginny+Percy on same map) to be there where both are same and needs regular updating) Chinakpradhan (talk) 07:14, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, so you're just wanting to simplify the appearance and remove things like sample locations etc from the map? Try this version, where I've removed everything but the vehicle tracks and locations. If you want to show more labels and points of interest, you could manually add markers and such in the scale you deem best. — Huntster (t @ c) 12:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
no no, offah my english!! sorry if my wording was wrong @Huntster. i actually meant the opposite, that is, i want all the features. but i am basically the problem is that when i am grabbing a screenshot the red location markers of rock samples are overlapping. earlier the blue perseverance location marker was also overlapping on top of them but not in this enlarged screenshot its not doing that. but still the red marker for sample 12 and 13 is overlapping on top of the red marker for sample 10 and 11. for this overlapping problem i want somehow an way where both are not overlapping so that i can edit and publish it at File:Mars 2020 Perseverance Rover Traverse Path And Ingenuity Helicopter Flight Path.png. heavy apologies!!! Chinakpradhan (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
I understand now! Sorry about that. Yeah, that's a problem. And to be honest, I cannot properly even see certain elements on the map (like the sample locations) because the site isn't loading everything...I'm guessing the NASA site in general is being hammered by traffic in the lead-up to Artemis I. The only things I can suggest are either to use a more basic map and then add in the points of interest yourself in a way that's better for your needs; or zoom in to see higher levels of detail, screenshot one area at a time, and then stitch the screenshots together into a much higher resolution map (Shift+Windows+S for the clipping tool is your friend!). The latter option may actually be faster and yield cleaner, more detailed results than trying to hand-mark everything. Unfortunately the way the mapping site is made just doesn't provide a better way of doing things. — Huntster (t @ c) 14:43, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
i just thought should i deal only ginny and percy on the current map and upload a map dedicated to Mars Sample Return on File:Mars 2020 Sample Collection Map.jpg it has allowed us for updation. and the images are there on separate pages so no loss of images.@Huntster. moreover actually those rock samples are no use for m2020 they are needed for msr. Chinakpradhan (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
If you think a separate map for MSR is warranted, then by all means do so, but I think what you uploaded is perfectly usable for general purposes. — Huntster (t @ c) 15:28, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

File:Mars Sample return mission's rock samples collected by 2020 Perseverance Rover Traverse Path.png is ready @Huntster Chinakpradhan (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah! That looks good. — Huntster (t @ c) 18:02, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Remarks upon “Ingenuity”

Hi, Chinakpradhanǃ As I promised you at Huntster's page, here are my remarks about the recent changes I made in my article. Before I start I must state that for many reasons I cannot provide the parallel watch of this article in en-wiki and editing it. Sorry. Now my report follows.

AeroVironment

The following articlesː

convinced me that the role of AeroVironment, Inc. (AV) in the “Ingenuity” project has been underestimated. The whole drone from fuselage and chassis to propulsion motor, rotor, swashplates and blades - all this is a product of engineers from AV, not JPL. Unlike such subcontractors, as Ames and Langley, the AV is not a part of NASA structure. It is a separate entity in the arms industry. In the light of these facts I decided to avoid expressions like «JPL constructed and built Ingenuity» when rotor and blades are concerned. JPL has much other deeds to be praised for, however AV should not be forgotten.

Finalizing the article

Today (Sep., 6) we await the 31st flight. Depending upon its success, NASA shall decide whether the Ingenuity's budget support shall be prolongated for next 6 months, or not. Whatever may happen, I've already written the conclusion that the results obtained shall be used in the next project, that is the 'sample collecting helicopter'. — Cherurbino (talk) 23:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Your questions

At this time my list of flights may contain errors and misprints. I plan verify it no earlier than the data for the Flight#31 appears in the official Flight Log. The 'ru' version is not the exact copy of Flight Log; some columns may differ methodologically. First, I rely upon the Martian timekeeping wherever it is possible to avoid ambiguities with UTC / US time zones. In critical cases I take sols and times as they are attributed in images storage. Coordinates are taken from JSON. Discrepancies between JSON and Flight Log lengths are my constant headache. As a result: there are too many reasons for these tables to differ. Thus I shall never recommend my version as an etalon and a source of verification. I propose to leave the situation with both tables 'as is'.̇ Cherurbino (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Also keep in mind that tables in ru:Список полётов Ingenuity are not editable. Instead I use two templates one of which is ‚Ingenuity operations demo‘ shared by two pages, «Ingenuity» and «List of flights». Cherurbino (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I also use json data then nothing different in those two pages Chinakpradhan (talk) 15:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

So lastly, @Cherurbino can you just say, if i can make "the parallel watch of this article in en-wiki" by just merely translating the ru-wiki one and along with that writing about the aerovironment's contributions to ginny?? Chinakpradhan (talk) 15:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Happily it's not necessary to translate from the third language when you have a genuine English source «Special collaboration issue JPL and AeroVironment on Mars» (IUS_Ingenuity.pdf)ː

That was kind of when JPL took on all of the avionics development, all the guidance, navigation control, all the simulation modeling. For the most part, they handled all the batteries, charging solar array, all that. And AeroVironment took on the airframe, a rotor blade design, propulsion motors, servo swashplates, the primary structure.

— page 6 of 8, right

For the Mars Helicopter Project, AeroVironment designed and developed the airframe and major subsystems, including its rotor system, rotor blades, and hub and control mechanism hardware. The Simi Valley, California-based company also developed and built high-efficiency light-weight propulsion motors, power electronics, landing gear, load-bearing structures and thermal enclosures for NASA/JPL’s avionics, sensors and software systems.

— page 5 of 8, right (49) - white text on the blue background

Note that the list of authors of another paper

mentions ‚Simi Valley‘ not as a separate company, but as the city where AeroVironment is based (Aerovironment, Inc., Simi Valley, CA, 93065, USA). It's a strange controversy within the same source. However in another quotation propulsion motors are mentioned in one line with the other products of AeroVironment. My explanation is that "The Simi Valley, California-based company" is the editor's bug of Abe Peck who wrote the quoted preface (white text on the blue background). - Cherurbino (talk) 00:26, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

ok Chinakpradhan (talk) 03:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cherurbino sorry for troubling but just summon me when your final chapter of ingenuity is completed Chinakpradhan (talk) 18:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I am just left to add elements missiong in enwiki from Features of aeronautics on Mars, From demo to machine type, Technical solutions sections. Chinakpradhan (talk) 18:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Good luck for you, take whatever you consider useful. Although from Sep. 9 the article is already nominated, I continue to improve it. Cherurbino (talk) 09:04, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Will you like to continue to work for other articles in wiki. @Cherurbino (you said this ruwiki Ginny as your last article). We need you!! Chinakpradhan (talk) 09:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the addition I only have Особенности воздухоплавания на Марсе, Технические решения and От демонстрационного образца к типу аппарата left to add from your ru-wiki Ginny to en-wiki ginny.i will find time in the coming days for that. It's never late to do anything at any time in wiki Chinakpradhan (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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