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For many users on the Internet I am known as Vechek (Vechek is part of the word "Chelovechek"). If such a redirection of violating the rules, you can destroy. Chelovechek (talk) 17:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not a problem, I only wondered. I've copied your reply on the talkpages of the 3 redir pages. That should help to avoid future questions. --Túrelio (talk) 10:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Я просто прикинул, что автором наградных листов должен быть инженер-майор Василий Демьянович Литвинов, который, очевидно, рос в чинах и служил после войны. А судя по тому, кем и в каких частях он служил, вполне разумно выглядит его погребение на том кладбище. К тому же и годы рождения совпадают. Если же говорить не про Литвинова, а вообще — то автор наградного листа инженер-майор Литвинов составил его по обязанности, поэтому исключительное право принадлежит Министерству обороны, а срок его истечения равен 74 годам со смерти Литвинова. Насколько я понимаю, сейчас эти наградные листы несвободны и потому находятся на Викискладе ошибочно.
Что касается двух фотографий, то у каждой фотографии есть автор. Только автор имеет право разрешать свободное использование своих снимков. Без авторского разрешения фотографии не могут попасть на Викисклад. Насколько я могу судить, для двухснимков автором был фотограф в ателье. Поэтому для этих снимков заявлена фальшивая лицензия. Чтобы распоряжаться ими, вы должны получить права. Я могу рассказать вам, как это сделать, но дело будет муторное и хлопотное.
Хотя автор неизвестен, однако его права всё равно охраняются законом. Если эти снимки не были анонимно опубликованы в советское время при жизни этого фотографа, тогда срок их охраны будет бесконечным, пока вы не найдёте способ опубликовать их законным путём.
Итак, наша задача: очистить фотоснимок от авторских прав. То есть сделать так, чтобы владелец авторских прав (представитель автора) дал своё разрешение. Поэтому давайте искать этого владельца.
На снимке 5 офицеров в форме. Снимок сделан в 1942 году, во время войны. Можно предполагать, что снимок сделан по заказу войсковой части 99608. Обратитесь в эту в/ч, получите подтверждение от их юриста на то, что снимок сделан по заказу в/ч, заключите с ними договор и получите от них права.
Можно предположить, что пять друзей-офицеров зашли в фотоателье и сделали снимок там просто так, без заказа. Проверьте, нет ли на обороте снимка каких-то печатей фотоателье. Если есть, дело хорошее — остаётся найти наследников ателье. Лет пять уйдёт, но вы их отыщете.
А если нету, тогда придётся изучать историю Новороссийска и выяснять, где сделан снимок. Однако как доказать связь между снимком и ателье? Никак. Поэтому вам сгодится любое ателье, которое работало в городе в это время. Найдите его наследников и заключите договор с ними.
Наконец, самый коварный способ. Найдите потомков всех пятерых офицеров. Пусть каждый из потомков припомнит, а был ли там фотограф? Может быть, дедушки-офицеры рассказали, что они сами поставили фотокамеру, сами уселись, а потом один из них нажал кнопку таймера и прыгнул в кадр? Тогда права на фотоснимок будут принадлежат тому, кто нажал кнопку замедленного спуска. Однако все потомки должны одинаково передать воспоминания своих дедов-прадедов об этом факте!
Обратитесь в какие-нибудь музеи, где может быть такой снимок, например — в Новороссийске или в тех городах, где жили эти офицеры. Возможно, вам помогут узнать о происхождении этих фотографий. Хотя шанс на это невелик...
Возможно, фотоснимки были опубликованы и там, в книгах, указано имя фотографа? Тогда есть смысл искать его наследников.
Интересная концепция. Двоих наследников я нашёл, но они сами в изумлении от этих снимков — ничего подобного у них не было. Итого — осталось найти ещё двух, но этот процесс долог. Далее: у меня два разных снимка (там, где они в фуражках), сделанных с одного отпечатка, но на разной бумаге — моей бабушке прислал с коричневым оттенком, моей маме — иссиня-чёрный. У обоих с обратной стороны текст письма. Получается, дед контролировал процесс печати, более того — это мог быть моряк из его подчинения (при создании сложного инженерного объекта был положен по службе). Итого: снимок сделан по служебной надобности военнослужащим Новороссийской военно-морской базы, которая сейчас функционирует. У меня появляется шанс получить разрешение на публикацию, обратившись к руководству Новороссийской военно-морской базы. Такой путь возможен, но будет ли он достаточен? — cheloVechek / talk22:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
О! Вот уже понятно, где искать корни! Это было не частное фотоателье, так что наши шансы на успех велики. Хорошо бы спросить у юриста НВМБ, были ли они самостоятельным юрлицом в 1942 году и что там вообще происходит у военных с самостоятельными юрлицами. Если были, то их лицензии достаточно, они правообладатель. Если не были, тогда вопрос туманный и надо искать, где именно служил обсуждаемый инженер-капитан и чьё задание выполнял. Да и является ли нынешняя НВМБ наследницей прежней?
А что он действовал по заданию, в этом я уверен уже потому, что пять офицеров внезапно собрались и в прифронтовом городе отправились делать одно и то же. Хобби у них такое, ага.
Самое сложное для вас начнётся, когда вы обратитесь в НВМБ и капитан 1 ранга Олег Николаевич Шастов хриплым голосом спросит у вас: «Вы что, шляпу надели? Кому вообще понадобились какие-то, гхм, права на эту богом забытую картинку? Вы что, гхм, самый умный, хотите все подряд законы повыполнять? Вы, гхм, один такой в стране или у вас там, гхм, питомник?!» А ответить ему будет нечего... --PereslavlFoto (talk) 22:52, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Дороой colleague,
with respect I provided this bagatelle translation of the individual dates pertaining to your grandfather. In order to make the work completed, I offer to establish a more substantial article to that distinguished item. If you could present the text in Russian language, I can easily translate it to German and English language.
Look ahead to your decision,
v.r. user HHubi! --HHubi (talk) 12:44, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Давайте сразу согласимся, что страница описания файла (пусть с вашим фото) не ваша личная, и описывать свою правку как «отмену вандализма на личной странице» не стоило. Тот факт, что букву «i» современная русская орфография не использует, думаю, тоже сомнений не вызывает. Если есть желание написать собственную фамилию в дореформенной орфографии, так и отразите это в описании файла — хотя бы чтобы не вводить других пользователей в заблуждение насчёт правил орфографии. Кстати, у вас в паспорте фамилия написана через «i»? Именно это, наверное, должно быть здесь определяющим фактором, или я ошибаюсь? Chaotic Good (talk) 05:57, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
По моему разумению русский алфавит не содержит i и иностранные фамилии должны быть написаны в русском алфавите.
Ваша фамилия не всегда пишется Турбаевскiй: смотри здесь и здесь. Описание фото не предназначены только для вас, но также (и, возможно, в первую очередь) для других участников. Если есть официальное правило русского языка для этого или вы можете доказать, что форма с i более часто используется в русских текстах, я отмечу мою правку.
Русский язык, как и любой другой, постоянно претерпевает изменения, что находит своё отражение в орфографии (см. Русские слова с изменённой орфографией). Поэтому апеллирование к правилам русской орфографии для обоснования изменения неочевидных, не искажающих суть языка написаний слов - это избыточность на грани этичного поведения:
Некоторые типичные примеры поведения, способствующего созданию нездоровой атмосферы: ...Нападки на участников из-за допускаемых ими ошибок в орфографии или грамматике (если, разумеется, речь не идёт о сознательном внесении в статьи безграмотных дополнений или исправлений).
Посмотрим, как эти нападки проявились здесь.
Участник Илья Драконов вносит в написание моей фамилии следующую правку, причём делает это без каких бы то ни было предварительных объяснений. После того, как этот участник был заблокирован на 3 месяца и потерял возможность вносить правки, появляется участник Chaotic Good, который с объяснением description in Russianпродолжает начатое предыдущим участником. С учётом нападок со стороны обоих участников в русской Википедии налицо преследование меня во всём пространстве Википедии. Причём намеренно была выбрана самая болезненная для любого человека, имеющего честь и достоинство, форма преследования - искажение его фамилии в значении рода, причём в подписи к личной фотографии.
Начертание фамильного рода Турбаевских в дореформенной орфографии символизирует память о моём деде - Турбаевском Кирилле Ивановиче (1901-1975). Description={{ru|Томскія губернскія вѣдомости}}Как видно, в пространстве статей никаких искажений нашей фамилии нет, ибо статья имеет энциклопедический статус. Такое ограничение не может распространяться к пояснительным текстам под фотографиями в Викискладе, так как прерогативой на употребление русских слов в старой русской орфографии обладает русский языковый раздел Википедии, имеющий для этого не только шаблоны, информирующие о принадлежности текста к той или иной орфографии, но и специалистов по русскому языкознанию. Поэтому весьма странно выглядит здесь объяснение особенностей русской дореформенной орфографии несколькими строчками на английском языке. Более того, в русской Википедии для обозначения приверженцев старой орфографии имеются соответствующие шаблоны: {{ru-old-5}}: "Этотъ участникъ профессіонально владѣетъ традиціоннымъ русскимъ правописаніемъ". В частности, именно такой юзер-бокс размещён на странице участника Ильи Драконова. Если посмотреть подписи под некоторыми документами в Викискладе, обнаружим следующее использования старой русской орфографии с дескриптором "русский": "Томскія губернскія вѣдомости". Таких примеров много. Особо важно подчеркнуть, что в русском языке нет никаких запретов на употребление i. Более того, многие русские писатели, учёные и философы, оказавшиеся в эмиграции, продолжали писать исключительно на дореформенном русском языке. Важно отметить, что новые правила русской орфографии получили распространение на территории Советской России в условиях зависимости населения от администрации, но вопрос их применимости за пределами России решался в соответствии с личными представлениями носителей русского языка. Например, Ильин, Иван Александрович в 1956 году писал:
«И вотъ, русскiй языкъ при старой орѳографiи побѣдоносно справлялся со своими "омонимами", вырабатывая для нихъ различныя начертанiя. Но революцiонное кривописанiе погубило эту драгоцѣнную языковую работу цѣлыхъ поколѣнiй: оно сдѣлало все возможное, чтобы напустить въ русскiй языкъ какъ можно больше безсмыслицы и недоразумѣнiй. И русскiй народъ не можетъ и не долженъ мириться со вторженiемъ этого варварскаго упрощенiя.
Новая "орѳографiя" отмѣнила букву "i". И вотъ, различiе между "мiромъ" (вселенной) и "миромъ" (покоемъ, тишиной, невойной) исчезло; за одно погибла и ижица, и православные люди стали принимать "миро-помазанiе" (что совершенно неосуществимо, ибо ихъ не помазуютъ ни вселенной, ни покоемъ)».
1. Имя, отчество, фамилiя: Василiй Сергѣевичъ Веселаго 2. Званiе: Потомственный дворянинъ, сынъ Надворнаго Совѣтника; Коллежскiй Регистраторъ 3. Время рожденiя или возрастъ: 10 декабря 1882 года...Русский писатель Иван Бунин так оценивал новую «революционную» орфографию:
«...никогда не приму большевистского правописанiя.»
Мой прадед, Василий Сергеевич Веселаго, также оказался в эмиграции во Франции. Мои родные сумели сохранить его документы - паспортную книжку, ополченский билет, фотографии. Они также размещены мной на Викискладе. Для этих документов под дескриптором "русский" более чем уместно описание страницы именно в старой орфографии.
Итак, написание моей фамилии в дореформенной орфографии символизирует преемственность поколений, знание истории русского языка и готовность делиться уникальными документами, сохранение которых моим родом Турбаевских-Веселаго вплоть до середины XX века было весьма опасным предприятием. Однако я не буду возражать, если появится шаблон, указывающий, что тот или иной текст написан в старой русской орфографии. Это могло бы улучшить структуру сохраняемых на Викискладе документов.
The most important issue is the fact that the letter "i" existed in the Russian alphabet before 1918. But spelling rules changed when orthography was reformed shortly after the October Revolution. This document says: "Исключить букву I, с заменой ее через И", that is "cancel the letter 'i' by replacing it with 'и'". Since then, this letter hasn't been existing in the alphabet. Thus, spelling of the surname Turbayevsky turned from Турбаевскiй to Турбаевский. For different reasons, some people like to use "pre-revolutionary" orthography that even has its own language templates (like this one) on several Wikipedias, but here, the user should obey the modern orthography rules, I presume. Sorry for my English, Chaotic Good (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
i did not exist in old-cyrillic; і did (a cyrillic letter). IMO, if somebody wants to use old-cyrillic Russian notation, it should be mentioned that it is old cyrillic, eg.:
Алексей Турбаевский (old cyrillic: Алексей Турбаевскій)
By the way, two letters should be changed: Алексѣй Турбаевскій is the right pre-revolutionary spelling. According to this, the form Алексѣй was used from 1708 to 1918. Chaotic Good (talk) 17:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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