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Hello everybody,
I think that we should not view the email addresses for the contact in public. Regards! — Habib M'HENNI ^{[¿tell me?]} 19:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

WLM Kenya

Hi event organizers I am Evans from Kenya and I would like to volunteer in organizing Wiki Love Monument event here in Kenya as an individual, I have a greater passion for monument and would thus like to be part of it. You can always reach me at kurgitz@gmail.com.Thanks,and kind regards,Evans. 197.181.235.25 11:21, 30 January 2013

WLM 2013 Participants' Survey

Dear all, I have added information about this year's Participants' Survey. More about it at the meet-up on Thursday in Milano. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Beat Estermann (talk) 07:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Welsh translation

I've had a request to add the Welsh translation of this page and donation by Email of the translated text:

Start:

Croeso twymgalon i borth Cystadleuaeth Rijksmonument ar Gomin Wicimedia!

Cystadleuaeth gyhoeddus I ffotograffwyr ydy Cystadleuaeth Rijksmonument (Wiki Loves Monuments sy’n canolbwyntio ar henebion diwylliannol, ac sy’n cael ei gweithredu gan siapteri a grwpiau Wicimedia. Yn 2010 fe’i sefydlwyd gan Wikimedia’r Iseldiroedd ond fel caseg eira ymunodd nifer o wledydd drwy Ewrop a throdd Cystadleuaeth Rijksmonument yn gystadleuaeth fyd-eang a hynny mewn gwledydd reit wahanol: Canada, Chile, India, Panama, Ghana, Pilipinas, Rwsia, De Affrica ac Unol Daleithiau’r America.

ends

Could somebody do the necessary please - I think I understand how we have multiple language versions in descriptions but I'm not sure how to do it here.

Many thanks Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 10:47, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan,

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. The infrastructure here on Commons is not primarily aiming at participants, but rather at organizers. That would be different for the upload infrastructure, which Romaine sent recently an email about recently. Getting that translated is definitely important, as is getting the national (in your case, UK specific) pages translated. I'm not sure if it would be very helpful to translate these specific pages - but if someone is willing they can restructure it to make translations possible of course. But I wouldn't say it has my priority right now.

A page that might be interesting to translate though would be interesting to translate more broadly would be the page that explains the philosophy behind Wiki Loves Monuments. Effeietsanders (talk) 11:55, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

No probs. I've added an iw link to the Welsh article. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Site notice broken?

I don't know where else to report this but it appears the banner at the top of my page advertising Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 doesn't link properly. It just links to the page you are looking at - i.e. refreshes the page. ツStacey (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Should be solved by now. If not, let us know. Romaine (talk) 11:08, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not Wiki

Can anyone tell me why the WMF does not listen to its own (I assume) advice? Keφr (talk) 11:18, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for your kind and constructive words. 'Wiki Loves' has grown over the past years to become a concept of how to organize a group of activities, including Wiki Loves Art, Wiki Loves Monuments and Wiki Loves Earth. It is definitely tied to the Wikimedia movement, but not necessarily to Wikipedia. Of course within Wikimedia we love naming debates, as we also have had long and repeated debates about whether the word monuments is accurate enough, and even whether Loves should be upper case or not. One of the reasons we chose for Wiki in the past was that it makes the title shorter, it just sounds much nicer to a newcomer (more inclusive) and it removes the whole trademark fuzz that would otherwise be brought up (imagine 50 countries having to go through Legal and being delayed waiting for contracts to be signed - nobody wants that!). So the reasons are primarily practical. Effeietsanders (talk) 11:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh stop it, you. It just seems a bit unfortunate and embarrassing that we spend time teaching people not to use "Wiki" as a proper noun, and then ruin (pun intended) that with names like "Wiki Loves Monuments". Seeing this banner above the very "Wikipedia is not Wiki" page is especially ironic. But whatever. I just wanted to know if anyone gave a thought about it and what was the reasoning. Keφr (talk) 10:55, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, basically we're aware there are indeed downsides to this naming practice. But thanks for bringing it up though! Effeietsanders (talk) 09:59, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

But who has won?

Sorry if this is a daft question, but I can't see anything about the most obvious point: If this is a competition, who wins? Is it the person who takes the most photos, or best photo (in which case who judges?), or most buildings, or what?  An optimist on the run! 07:00, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

See here --MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:06, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

introductory Commons brochure might be useful for WLM outreach

The new Commons brochure for newcomers, Illustrating Wikipedia: A guide to contributing content to Wikimedia Commons, might be useful for getting newcomers started during WLM, especially with in-person WLM events involving newcomers. I'm eager to get feedback on how well the brochure works "in the field", so if anyone has a chance to use it, please let me know. (And of you are planning an in-person even where some printed copies would be useful, let me know that too and I'll see if some can be sent.)

I plan to create a wiki version of the brochure, which may be more useful in the future for WLM and similar Commons events, although that probably won't be ready in time for use this year. (If you're interested in helping set that up, I'd be happy to have the help!)--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps it makes sense to bring this specifically to the English speaking participating countries? I know that WMUK and WMCA usually do on the ground events, and that NYC is also doing something. For countries where English isn't a native language (most), it might be harder to actually use it as events are usually held in the local language. Effeietsanders (talk) 09:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I'd be downright hesitant to give out that guide in the UK. The UK has a very liberal Freedom of Panorama law, page 3 of the guide would actively discourage people from taking pictures that they have every right to release to Commons.

I realise that freedom of Panorama varies by country, but by not recognising it, WLM shoots itself right in the foot for the countries that has it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:58, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Communication

I‘d like to answer those who posted to Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013/Communication, but got the feeling that something went wrong there, as some post are from 2012. Can someone have a look at it. Thanks. --Alex (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Merging w:Template:Monument row variants

I noticed that Wikipedia has a bunch of nation-specific templates, each used about once, at w:Kenya Template:Monument row w:Template:Botswana Monument row w:Template:Ghana Monument row w:Template:HK Declared Monument row w:Template:ASI Monument row. I've merged many of their features into w:Template:Monument row, but I haven't yet tried to substitute it into the articles. The beneficial part is that having one template allows all bugs to be fixed at once, such as a mix-up between style and class strings that was only fixed in the Ghana version. A potentially troublesome point is that because some of the tables include different rows, I've made some columns optional, but making a column optional means you have to put   in place of an entry to keep the table from losing a position there if just one entry is blank. (It is possible to fix that with a specialized script or Lua to enforce default values for named pages, but I'm not sure it's worth it) You also have to set a parameter that campaign=wlm-hk or the like because the unified template name doesn't cover it.

Anyway, at this point I should just see if there's interest in this from anyone else. Wnt (talk) 02:10, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Each country needs their own row template. Do not merge them because that would break much. The way how we have set it up is fully thought trough. Everything depends on separate templates. Romaine (talk) 04:35, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Their only purpose is to display rows in a table on one article each, right? I can't imagine why they can't be merged, provided the right parameters are used and passed from each page. To put it another way: if I make the switch to a combined template, and the article using those rows still looks the same, then there's no problem, right? Wnt (talk) 06:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

It keeps having problems. There is no reason to merge here, and will breaks things. Romaine (talk) 23:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem concerning of the uploaded photos

Dear Mr./Mrs.,

I uploaded 51 photos in the wiki loves monuments Armenia. And photos were taken from Armenian monuments. But today I saw this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A%D5%87%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B7%D5%AB%D5%AB_%D5%82%D5%A1%D5%A6%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%B9%D5%A5%D6%81%D5%B8%D6%81_%D5%B4%D5%A1%D5%B5%D6%80_%D5%BF%D5%A1%D5%B3%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A8-11.JPG&diff=104466184&oldid=104460335

that somehow my photos became to belong to the monuments of Azerbaijan.

Please help to find out how this happened.

Best regards.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aydinyan (talk • contribs)

I understand that this issue is delicate. I guess File:Շուշիի Ղազանչեցոց մայր տաճարը-11.JPG is a picture of whatever Müqəddəs Xilaskar Məsih kilsəsi/ԵԿԵՂԵՑԻ ՍԲ ԱՄԵՆԱՓՐԿԻՉ, ՂԱԶԱՆՉԵՑՈՑ means, a monument in Shusha/Shushi. This town lies within Nagorno-Karabakh, a region that is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan, but builds the

de facto

independent state of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. (Correct me, if I am wrong so far.) Anyway, on Wikimedia Commons is categorized as part of Azerbaijan and that’s how your photo became Azerbaijani. For the removal of a template you linked: I would not mind if the images description bears the Armenia ID, too. After all, it is recorded by some Armenia office and reproducing this information is not factual wrong, in my opinion. Any second thoughts? --Alex (talk) 20:59, 19 September 2013 (UTC) PS: Just an early hint for all participants of this discussion: Wikimedia Commons is about sharing, not possessing.

Alex, thank you for taking the time and explaining. There is a lot more delicacy involved, but that's for another time. My question is whether it is possible to force someone to be in a competition they don't want to be in. Of course Commons or time spent on Wikipedia is meant for sharing, but that doesn't mean you can forcefully nominate someone to be an administrator and dedicate the time if they don't want to; similarly, can you force someone to participate in a contest and win a prize for what they have contributed if they don't want to? I think that's what basically all of this boils down to. Chaojoker (talk) 20:09, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

No, they can't. See #Two WLM identifier templates in one image (eg. in case of Nagorno-Karabakh vs. Azerbaijan). --vacio 23:33, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

My pictures stolen by Azerbaijan editors

Hello,

I couldn't understand, why I second uploader in Wiki Loves Monuments in Azerbaijan. Why description of my uploaded pictures changes time to time. Why removed Armenian monuments references by users User:Interfase (e.g. this & this) & User:Urek Meniashvili (see this and this). Totally mention users stolen 66 pictures uploaded by me.

I spent my time, money and efforts, for taking those photos, but now this photos out of scope from Wiki loves monuments, because Armenian monuments references deleted, and I cannot participate in Azerbaijan's wiki arrangement. Also I don't think, Azerbaijan's can give me any prize for my unwillingness participation. Please, correct my uploaded photos and warns above users for their unjust actions. I must choose from which country I want to participate in photo arrangement, and none can decide to change my participation country. It's my right, I think.

Best regards, A.arpi.a (talk) 18:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

See above. --Alex (talk) 21:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

From Bangladesh

I am from Bangladesh. There are lot of monuments and structures are in Bangladesh. I am missing my country name in wiki loves monuments section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dip732 (talk • contribs) 09:04, 19. Sep. 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, no one in Bangladesh organized a national contest. Maybe next year someone will do. (Maybe you?) See Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013#Why is my country not participating in 2013?. --Alex (talk) 21:09, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

hey i am also from Bangladesh and there are so many great archaeological attractions that would definitely be of interest to many. so please include Bangladesh into the list. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.56.4.81 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 26. Sep. 2013‎ (UTC)

Please do have a look at Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013#Why is my country not participating in 2013?. If you like to organize a national contest in Bangladesh next year, we are happy to help you (just in case you need help). --Alex (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Armenian 149 pictures stolen by az.wlm organizers

I turn to you as a one of most up-loader photos in the world. I think it is no correct, when unwillingly users moves to other arrangements. I couldn't understand Azerbaijan country's people behavior. How can they explain, what most of participants in wlm.az (http://stats.wikilovesmonuments.cl/?pais=azerbaijan) are Armenians. Also, most of moved picture names written by Armenian letters.

In mention statistic you cans see "A.arpi.a, Vacio, Vagharsh, Aydinyan, Ghulyan, Vahag851 users. They most uploaders after Interface and Urek Meniashvili, and because they are wlm.az organizers, A.arpi.a becomes most up-loader for Azerbaijan country. Is it correct ?

For me it unjustness and need to correct it. I can understand, when this action do with new users, but when they do with wlm.az organizers, it's just shame for their country.

If Azerbaijan's think, monuments in Nagorno-Karabakh theirs, they can go to this place and take photos. It's their problem. But they just stolen from Armenian WLM. It's unjust.

I require to reset all mention users pictures history to first state. --Arman musikyan (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

See above. --Alex (talk) 21:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Two WLM identifier templates in one image (eg. in case of Nagorno-Karabakh vs. Azerbaijan)

After there were some complains from users who uploaded images of monuments from Nagorno-Karabakh/Azerbaijan, the international team has discussed the issue and this is the upshot:

• • If a monument is recognized by two countries, then basically it is OK to add two identifier templates in a single image.
  • However this can only happen we can add the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2013|az/am}} template only if the uploader of the images clearly wants to participate in the contest in both countries.
  • If we are not sure of this, we may add in only one of the images of the same uploader the additional WLM template (assuming that if they want to, they will add the template to their images themselves).
  • The uploader can remove WLM templates from "their" images if they don't want to participate in the contest in country B. We should not readd the template in those cases.
  • We also should not add WLM templates to images, where the uploader didn't indicate they want to participate in WLM.

Full text is here. --vacio 23:06, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Just to correct you. According this users are allowed to remove only WLM templates from images they've uploaded, not Monuments identifier template (like {{Cultural Heritage Azerbaijan}}). It is possible to add monument identifiers templates anytime to the pictures, since this actually depends on the fact that the given monument is officially recognized as cultural heritage by country X or Y. --Interfase (talk) 07:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

It seems that you are right. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I have corrected myself above. --vacio 17:32, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Some statistics

Country	Uploaders	Files	Uploader ratio	File ratio
Algeria	36	636	0,10	0,17
Andorra	8	868	9,41	102,12
Antarctica	3	4
Argentina	96	1589	0,24	0,39
Armenia	134	10846	4,06	32,87
Aruba	11	37	10,84	3,65
Austria	125	5911	1,47	6,95
Azerbaijan	29	339	0,31	0,36
Belarus	5	18	0,05	0,02
Belgium	74	2027	0,67	1,83
Bolivia	44	435	0,41	0,40
Cameroon	13	259	0,06	0,12
Canada	154	1698	0,44	0,49
Chile	85	1389	0,49	0,80
China	159	1847	0,01	0,01
Colombia	58	527	0,12	0,11
Czech Republic‎	124	3947	1,18	3,76
Egypt	70	416	0,09	0,05
El Salvador	75	560	1,19	0,89
Estonia	41	726	3,15	5,58
France	506	13376	0,80	2,10
Germany	394	22597	0,48	2,76
Hong Kong	31	243	0,44	0,34
Hungary	65	1163	0,66	1,17
India	1083	6747	0,09	0,05
Israel	77	1048	0,97	1,33
Italy	244	2821	0,40	0,46
Jordan	41	589	0,65	0,93
Luxembourg	8	174	1,60	3,48
Mexico	291	2600	0,25	0,22
Nepal	52	765	0,17	0,25
Netherlands	104	3322	0,62	1,99
Norway	30	1755	0,60	3,51
Panama	63	549	1,75	1,53
Philippines	41	5282	0,04	0,55
Poland	381	27797	1,00	7,28
Romania	77	3401	0,36	1,59
Russia	619	9450	0,43	0,66
Serbia	71	1741	1,00	2,45
Slovakia	40	1795	0,74	3,32
South Africa	50	2802	0,10	0,55
Spain	263	16541	0,57	3,58
Sweden	77	1805	0,81	1,90
Switzerland	129	2351	1,61	2,94
Syria	40	424	0,18	0,19
Taiwan	81	1068	0,35	0,46
Thailand	97	840	0,14	0,12
Tunisia	37	805	0,34	0,75
Ukraine	418	18092	0,92	3,97
United Kingdom	375	8141	0,59	1,29
United States	550	6239	0,18	0,20
Uruguay	326	3597	9,59	10,58
Venezuela	40	444	0,13	0,15
	8045	204443	0,18	0,47

Uploader ratio = Uploaders per 100.000 inhabitants; File ratio = Files per 10.000 inhabitants. Greetings, --Geiserich77 (talk) 10:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

When doing such quantitative comparisons, one should note that quality differences between countries can differ massively. A cursory look at India shows that there are massive uploads of multiple near-identical and redundant images like at Category:Akbar's Tomb. --ELEKHH^T 07:57, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

WLM in Nigeria

Hello WLM organizers, I am Fidelis from Nigeria, and I would like to volunteer in organizing Wiki Loves Monument event here in Nigeria. I have a great passion for monuments and landmarks, and would thus like to be part of it. You can reach me by mail (fidelisowilliams@yahoo.com).

Regards,

Fidelis Williams

Dear Fidelis (Williams)/Fidel985, there is no national competition for Wiki Loves Monuments in Nigeria this year. If you are interested in organizing it for next year, have a look at Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013/FAQ#My country would like to participate. Am I too late?. --Alex (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

WLM in Brasil

Hi! My name is Daniel Lisboa, and i would like to volunteer in organizing Wiki Love Monument in Brasil. I love monuments, and i had lots of pictures for help. Contact me at the email: danielslisboa@gmail.com Thanks, 200.222.80.241 15:50, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Dear Daniel Lisboa, there is no national competition for Wiki Loves Monuments in Brasil this year. If you are interested in organizing it for next year, have a look at Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013/FAQ#My country would like to participate. Am I too late?. And for your photos: we are pleased if you upload them, being part of Wiki Loves Monuments or not. You still share the knowledge of monuments from Brasil with the world. --Alex (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

This is pure ad in China

Not sure if it is normal, but the WLM banner in China is a straigth link to http://aiguji.org and it looks like a camera buying page (when seen from China). Actually today it looks less like that, but the other it was really a shopping mall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.144.67.50 (talk • contribs)

That would be odd. The page definitely was a competition page here. If you have screenshots, please email them to me. (my username at gmail.com would work) Effeietsanders (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 winners

Some juries have official result, with no visibility. It will be great to have all result on with page Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 winners, to have a look with pleasure on very nice pictures! Marianne Casamance (talk) 05:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

OOC, it's been quite some time. When will the winners be announced? Ed ^{[talk] [en:majestic titan]} 04:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

The winners of the international finale will be published in the days around 10 December. We want to be able to present a thorough jury report and give the prize winning countries a chance to prepare a press release if they feel necessary. Effeietsanders (talk) 10:16, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments 2014

Maybe there are some countries interested in participating this year (2014). I've created Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2014/Participating countries and you could put your country there. Thanks and regards. --Millars (talk) 20:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Country details unavailable this year

The statistics of country details (linked to http://toolserver.org/~superzerocool/wlm/?pais=germany etc.) are not available this year, even not from the global statistics page (http://tools.wmflabs.org/wlm-stats/). It's a pity, it was very good page. Could the tool be moved to http://tools.wmflabs.org ? --ŠJů (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The tools are available but with other url. The first one is this one, and the global statistics are at wlm-stats. --Millars (talk) 00:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

is a certificate rewarded for participation and volunteering?