Commons:Village pump/Technical/Archive/2022/07

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Categories in wiki app

Hello I 99% use the wikicommons app. The past few weeks I have not been able to add categories either during upload or after on the photo page in the app.

I am surprised it has not been reported given the popularity of the app. When you arrive at the 'add category' page, the icon/curser just spins round and round. It is like it cannot access the database.

I also uploaded a file outside the app for "wiki love wales" and the category worked fine.

Anyway, hope this helps

Peter Glyn (talk)

See https://github.com/commons-app/apps-android-commons/issues/5002 . All reported bugs on the commons app are in the bugtracker in the link.--Snævar (talk) 23:38, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-27

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 July. It will be on all wikis from 7 July (calendar).
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  • This change only affects pages in the main namespace in Wikisource. The Javascript config variable proofreadpage_source_href will be removed from mw.config and be replaced with the variable prpSourceIndexPage. [1]

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19:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

What are the requests mean on the Media views Analysis page?

Hello, I wanted to ask a question about the Media views Analysis page. I was curious what do the Requests mean? On the side and at the bottom it says Requests I can't figure out what that means and the 2 different numbers either Requests and Daily Numbers why are they so different as in one is higher than the other. I look at my page and am curious what that means as far as my page on Wikimedia commons. Hope this is clear thanks. Flapper the turtle (talk) 12:32, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

New file type for 3D files

Hey dear Wikimedians,

I wanna ask if there are plans to integrate new file types for 3D files next to STL. Afaik STL files cannot store information about the mesh surface like textures, transparency or shader information. For some objects, this isn't a problem, but for works with windows or jello for example, it would be very helpful :).

Thanks and greetings, PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 15:22, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Not really. There is not an maintainer currently for the thumbnails, so a new file format will not be added in that situation. There is only an working group which sole purpose is to update the system, which is allready years out of date. Maybe sometime next year. Snævar (talk) 10:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay thanks :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)f

Wrong coordinates hotbed - circular area around the Null Island

for example File:Grebenhain Herchenhain Bonifatiuskanzel s.png. maybe it's a good idea to have a bot, which identifies files marked in a circular area around Category:Null Island. RZuo (talk) 07:44, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the root cause of this is uhere the {{Location dec}}s call at Special:Diff/113410489 was incorrect and (0.48671802,.28259349) specified where (50.48671802|9.28259349) intended. It might be possible to do a bot to identified where the relationship between the (camera) location and object location are unreasonably different. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Table error

Hey folks, I am working on a larger table, but unfortunately the error

Warning: User:PantheraLeo1359531/Hofer Geschichtswege (edit) is calling Template:Table with more than one value for the "row10" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used.

appears. How can it be fixed? (Page: User:PantheraLeo1359531/Hofer Geschichtswege)

Thank you and greetings, --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 13:22, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@PantheraLeo1359531: You currently have two parameters called row10, one filled in ("Ein Mauerrest ist alles") and one not ("???"). Similarly, there are two parameters called row11, row12, row13, row14, and row15. I think you can only have one row with each number. --bjh21 (talk) 12:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay thank you, I will figure this out :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 13:50, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
I found it, thank you :D --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 13:59, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-28

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  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
  • Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 12 July at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).

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19:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

FileImporter failed to import actual file

I was trying to use FileImport to import en:File:Ooblets.png to Commons, but got an error saying some data could not be committed. It did import the file description and its history, but the actual file was not imported. You can see that File:Ooblets.png only contains a description. Is this a known issue? Ixfd64 (talk) 17:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Any nice tools

Hi, I usually use Twinkle Global to CSD any file but sadly I don't think it is completely compatible with Commons. It does not help us to warn/notify the users. Do we have any nice tools here that I could use for this? Manual warnings are a headache. PermissionVRTS works nicely but we need something outside that realm. ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@TheAafi: This one? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 20:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

BotMultichillT Bots not respecting Bots-deny

At Special:Diff/672127507 BotMultichillT seemed to not respect a {{Bots}}/deny request. When questioned bot owner Multichill seemed uninterested and wished to place the Special:Diff/672194033 blame back on me. (Although not mentioned specifically I have some concern that back from the diff's that BotMultichillT, and perhaps others, are not respecting the precision of co-ordinates I am indicating when loading information to Wikidata and additionally that BotMultichillT may on occasion be truncating precision by removing trailing zeros from specified co-ordinates. I am not currently fully up to speed on all the various co-ordinate systems and usages currently in use which have some complexity so I don't which to get involved in a massively detailed exploration of that at this time due to RL commitments). I would however expect a Bot to respect a Bots/deny request and am very concerned if this is not happening. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. I do not see any syntax problems. The bot shouldn't have edited the file page given the deny request. @Multichill Could you please explain why did this happen? I don't see this being anywhere explained at COM:OWN. ─ The Aafī (talk) 05:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Technically not per template:bots. If you read the template documentation Bots are not bound to observe the nobots tag, it will depend on their functionality, their owners and their terms of approval. The bots which currently support exclusion are listed at exclusion compliant bots. However, it is good practice to follow the tag. -- Zache (talk) 05:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Disappointed the bots template was not respected, but I suppose it doesn't have to be. I think I likely have some valid concerns in the precision area, and requesting a bot deny is perhaps reasonable, and I understand I think there is a general caution in place about the harvesting of structured information in case it upsets good faith ordinary users, but I doubt anyone would accept I fall into that set. Pragmatically I've chosen to proceed in the short term by deferring adding co-ordinate information which avoids the problem and COM:OWN issues. I thought adding the prec parameter to {{Location}} would be helpful but see it is not particularly respected so I need to start doing haversine stuff while talking a ten-thousandth of an arc-second walk (<3.1mm?) to understand things a little better first before getting the wet trout and a RPN calculator on an auction site - my last one was wiped out with me at 50°44'34.4"N 1°58'34.1"W. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
You are trying to solve different things. I can't talk for Multichill or his bots, but I can say something about how I am handling the data by myself. The target is to get harvesting the data from templates/categories etc which information heavily varies to some standardized format. In that scope, importing the coordinates in the first place at some predictable and useful level is the primary target. The second, after that, is to find obvious errors in the data from random photos. In that sense, truncating trailing zeroes is a trivial problem as the quality differentiation of the input data is much bigger. This includes in example prec=10 values too which would mean that coordinate accuracy would be sub-millimeter level which is impossible even when there are so many decimals. The rounding errors and lack of input device accuracy gives us much bigger variation to the results. So, the problem is how to handle that kind of data? Most common way is to either store the number as it is and truncate when the number is shown (as 10 decimals are hard to read) OR truncate the number alltogether. (In example if you use float datatype for storing coordinates it supports only 6 decimals, ~10cm accuracy) which truncates numbers but it is still much higher than realistic input accuracy by user. -- Zache (talk) 04:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
@Zache: I'm a little worried that you might have a mistaken understanding of the prec parameter to the {{Location}} template. It doesn't specify a number of decimal places, but a number of metres. So prec=10 means a location with 10-metre precision. I apologise if you were aware of this and were referring to a different prec. --bjh21 (talk) 11:41, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I think I have managed to locate the instance where trailing zeros were truncated and it looks like on review they were omitted on page creation rather than subsequently by a bot. So either I entered -0.9900 (degress) to the upload wizard which rendered it as -0.99, or perhaps I simply entered -0.99 in the first place. It's likely the bots are using the number of decimal places (of degrees) to estimate the precision stored to Wikidata. This appears on the diff, with units not specified but arcdegrees implied. The structured data tab does not seem to give the precision in view mode but will give a drop for in in edit mode, with 1/1000 of an arcsecond as the first in the dropdown list, decimal places of degrees visible further down. A lot of the time things are conveniently translated to from decimal (arcdegree) to arcdegree/arcmin/arcsec format which adds a little confusion. I think I am beginning to get an understanding but very easy to get something wrong. I might pose a specific question later, but short term I'll likely generally continue to defer adding co-ordinates as bots-deny won't be respected. Although I might have a test case which can perhaps shed more light. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to confirm one image I loaded this morning that 50.869, -0.99, 240 entered into the position/location boxes to the upload wizard programmed as parameters 50.869,-0.99 & heading:240 to {{Location}}. The {{Object location}} call was created at the same time by entering in directly to the "other location" box. I am minded the should not be truncating the trailing zero's if stuff is using the number of decimal places as a precision indicator for loading structured information. Its not easy to see this as the rederend page uses DMS (Degre, Minute, Second) coordinates and the actually location on a map is not affected. I guess to decide it is us to bots whether they will take precision off the longitude or latitude in this case, I don't own it the image and its entry, but I might shepherd it for a while (my humor would be to say against the bot wolves simply because it sounds good and the bots actually are useful sheepdogs when you know them well and their capabilities and foibles and when to keep them at home with a dog deny — its stop at that point. Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Having isolated the truncating of the trailing zeros I've raised it as its own topic at Commons:Upload Wizard feedback:Location precision information loss by Upload Wizard. I am somewhat of the view that I have multiple concerns with the handling of co-ordinate uncertainty and am reasonably certain there is likely no clear consistent agreed integrate solution between commons, templates, bots, rendering UI's, wikidata, DMS, etc. Per the approach ... if the information you uploaded is in the EXIF file then its entitled to be displayed I guess the solution if not happy with the uncertainty precision handling is not to load it. (I'd not while this has never been said to me but commons seem to love to advertise that I have an E7i dog(en-CRS)/mobile-phone(en-British & en-Hiberno)/cellphone(en-American&international) ... even to the extent that I have just purchased a new dog at least partially due to commons/bot mining of my Exif files .... but the missus has determined to purloin that dog so I'm sort of stuffed!). Anyway there's probably not a lot for me to add here for the moment. Thankyou for your help. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata Infobox underwent a major rewrite

Since {{Wikidata Infobox}} is notorious for making category pages slow to load, Mike Peel and me are rewriting it in Lua. Please try out the new infobox using {{Wikidata Infobox/sandbox}} – You can find a changelog and submit feedback on the template talk page. --LennardHofmann (talk) 17:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Upload error for larger files (approx. >=100 MiB)

Hey dear community,

unfortunately a new error occurs while uploading when the uploading files that are a bit larger. Those errors are "The server didn't respond within the expected time" or as in the screenshot. How could the problem be solved? :)

Thank you and greetings, --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 15:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Answered at Commons:Village pump#Problems with uploading files above 100 MiB.--Snævar (talk) 12:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Is anyone else seeing a sudden increase in error reports at the MediaWiki Upload Wizard?

I suddenly get a lot more error messages at the MediaWiki Upload Wizard, it's not just one error message, I get several different ones and only from today in the afternoon onwards. At first I thought that it was because of my new Mobile Data subscription and that uploading only works on Wi-Fi, but then I realised that I didn't have this before (and I've had a mobile data subscription for almost a week now), on Wi-Fi I still have lots of errors, it happens during uploads and during submissions. Sometimes it just says "Error", other times it claims that images aren't found in the stash, and I've seen a number of other (vague) errors. It happens to small files and normal size files. -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

It seems you're not alone, as I assume the German discussion at Commons:Forum#Dauernd_Fehlermeldungen is about the same issues. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Gestumblindi, Yes, exactly. They even listed the error messages I keep coming across. -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
This is the same as #Upload error for larger files (approx. >=100 MiB) above.--Snævar (talk) 12:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-29

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Problems

  • The feature on mobile web for Nearby Pages was missing last week. It will be fixed this week. [4]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 July. It will be on all wikis from 21 July (calendar).

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22:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Question about Template:W

Hello!

Why is a colon written with italics in {{W}}? See for example File:Wiki.png. It seems weird with the colon in italics. Jonteemil (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I can see that it was added at the request of Sarang in 2016, though it's not obvious why. Maybe he can remember why? --bjh21 (talk) 13:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
AFAIK the edit of 2016-11-25 does not only result on a request by me.​​
Nevertheless, it makes an optical difference whether you link a file with {{W}} as above File:Wiki.png, or with {{F}} File:Wiki.png
(the link target is in both cases identical). IMHO {{W}} is more thought for articles, other namespaces as {{C}}, {{F}}, {{M}}, {{T}}, {{U}} have their own link templates.
But I see also no use or advantage to write the colon in bold & italic. -- sarang♥사랑 13:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
@Sarang: Sorry; I linked to the wrong edit. It should have been the next one, Special:Diff/219240806. You added the ''''' to the sandbox in Special:Diff/218747469. --bjh21 (talk) 14:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
@Bjh21: I can see now, yes, it is my guilt; but I cannot remind why I thought in 2016 that italic looks better 👀.
As I wrote above, {{W}} can be used and it is correct for all namespaces, but may not be the best choice for foreign files.
The template is protected also against template editors, so when a consensus for a change can be found it is not my turn. -- sarang♥사랑 15:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Migrating licenses

Hello, do you know where I could ask for someone to mass migrate the license of 5,000 files ? Luilui6666 uploaded her files under CCBYSA. Following a request by HK's computer linguists, she publicly announced her will to share her audio files under dual CCBYSA / CC0. But who could migrate all those files to dual license ? @VIGNERON and Kanashimi: Yug (talk) 11:32, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps you could give a more detailed description of what to do and give some demo edits? Kanashimi (talk) 23:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-30

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Problems

  • Last week, some wikis were in read-only mode for a few minutes because of an emergency switch of their main database (targeted wikis). [6]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 July. It will be on all wikis from 28 July (calendar).
  • The external link icon will change slightly in the skins Vector legacy and Vector 2022. The new icon uses simpler shapes to be more recognizable on low-fidelity screens. [7]
  • Administrators will now see buttons on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. [8]

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19:25, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

How to find click stats on uploaded video?

I've uploaded a few videos, and I'd like to see how many people click on the videos and watch them.

I start here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_page_view_statistics

I then click "Video clicks" and I get a page not found.

How can I find out these clicks? Don Wiss (talk) 02:13, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Don Wiss: I know there's an external tool that counts media views, but I'm not sure if that's what you are looking for. Weeklyd3 (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
If that doesn't work, try pageviews, but I believe that's only for people loading the description page on Commons. Weeklyd3 (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Weird observations

Hello!

I'm often browsing Commons with my iPhone with desktop view. Currently there have been some weird observations, since just the past hour or so. Firstly when I refresh or enter a new page on Commons I enter it automatically zoomed in onto the bottom left or top left corner, so I have to zoom out to see the content of the page. Secondly the search bar is supermall, like a third of the length of the normal size. These issues I couldn't reproduce on Wikipedia so it seems it's Commons that has some issue at the moment. Jonteemil (talk) 23:30, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

When I logged out it went away, can it be something with my account? I haven't done any updates to my common.js or anything like that so it should not be.Jonteemil (talk) 23:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Reproducable on Wiktionary, but still not Wikipedia.Jonteemil (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Now also present at Wikipedia, see w:WP:VPT#Search box and default zoom messed up while using desktop on mobile.Jonteemil (talk) 15:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Why do user scripts have to be valid ECMAScript 5 even though ECMAScript 6 works perfectly in my browser?

(Note: This may be suitable for somewhere else. If so, please tell me, because I'm currently writing a user script.)

To reproduce, try putting something like (function(param = "defaultValue") {})();. It outputs: 

JavaScript parse error (scripts need to be valid ECMAScript 5): Parse error: Unexpected token; token , expected in file 'User:Weeklyd3/common.js' on line 6

...and refuses to run. Why? Thanks in advance.

(And no, I didn't save the page, so that code isn't there.) Weeklyd3 (talk) 05:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Fichage — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.89.46.87 (talk) 00:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

That is becouse we have not really moved fully from ECMA 5 to ECMA 6, although that is the plan. WMF (the host of this site) is still using Jquery UI, which uses ECMA 5, but is planning to move to Vue.js, which uses ECMA 6. Eventually this requirement will be replaced with ECMA 6.--Snævar (talk) 07:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
This is bug phab:T178356.--Snævar (talk) 07:14, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Display issue of MediaWiki:Gadget-LicenseReview.js

This script looks pretty strange on the vector skin since last week - I believe this is caused by some update in 1.39.0-wmf.22, but I failed to find how to fix it. Is there anyone willing to give a hand? Thanks a lot. Stang★ 23:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

We need a new bot to add uncategorized category automatically

So right now there is no way to search for images that have non-hidden categories. The only way you can is using Category:Media needing categories 's template but that template isn't automatically applied (well it used to be, but that bot needed to be rewritten and nobody ever bothered to do that).

Having them be searchable atleast makes it easier to use in tools like WikiMap to see them on a map, which helps with categorization thibaultmol (talk) 23:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Maybe so, but there is a way to find them, Special:UncategorizedFiles.--Snævar (talk) 22:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Those are all images without categories (but also no hidden categories).
What I meant is that there are many images on Commons that have no NON-HIDDEN categories. which don't show up on that page. thibaultmol (talk) 06:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
It looks like SteinsplitterBot used to do this, but looking through its contributions the last time it did so was in April. @Steinsplitter: Is the bot unhappy? --bjh21 (talk) 12:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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