Commons:Deletion requests/Thai provincial seals

This deletion debate is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. Deleted, copyrighted and non-free. Quadell (talk) 22:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thai provincial seals

According to th:ตราประจำจังหวัดของไทย, most of the Thai provincial seals have been in use since 1941 and their terms of copyright have expired. The listed provinces' seals, however, have undergone modification or replacement since then, (Yasothon's and Sisaket's in 1972; Mukdahan's in 1982; Phuket's in 1985; Amnat Charoen, Nongbua Lamphu and Sa Kaeo became provinces in 1993; the rest's date of modification are unknown) and they may still be under copyright.

Requesting assistance in migration to language-specific Wikis where they may be used as non-free (fair use) content.

Paul_012 ^(talk) 07:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The government publications or government materials are basically not copyrighted in Thailand.--Ananda 09:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the Copyright Act of B.E. 2537 (1995) states in Section 7 that

The followings are not deemed copyright work by virtue
of this Act : (1)news of the day and facts having the character of
mere information which is not a work in literary, scientific or artistic
domain, (2)constitution and legislations, (3)regulations, by-laws,
notifications, orders, explanations and official correspondence of
the Ministries, Departments or any other government or local units,
(4)judicial decisions, orders, decisions and official reports,
(5)translation and collection of those in (1) to (4) made by the
Ministries, Departments or any other government or local units.

Section 14 also states that

The Ministries, Departments or other government or
local units are the owners of copyright in the works created in the
course of employment, order or control unless it is otherwise agreed
in writing.

These seals are by themselves works of art, which governmental agencies may own copyright to according to section 14, and don't fall under any of the exceptions of section 7. --Paul_012 ^(talk) 14:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your note does not clearly meantions that provincial seals are applicable to Section 14. As far as I see th:ตราประจำจังหวัดของไทย provincial seals theirself seems applicable to section 7 - (3) because provincial seals are what the government กำหนด, not created in the course of employment in theory.--Ananda 07:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That they are chosen by the government does not mean they form governmental documents. Paul_012 ^(talk) 12:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Even if the seals are copyrighted, which is questionable, I have looked at a few of the wikipedia sites that link to these seals, and the useage seems fair. Maybe the appropriate thing to do is adjust the copyright tag rather than delete them?--Kevin

Then they would need to be moved from the Commons anyway, which is what the original request asked. Paul_012 ^(talk) 12:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, this looks to me like a clear case where an image maybe shouldn't be copyrighted, where people don't want it to be copyrighted, but where it nonetheless is copyrighted. Quadell (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thai provincial seals

It seems that these were deleted in 2008, uploaded locally to English Wikipedia and then moved back here in 2010. As I can see, no one has given any new explanation to the public domain claim, so the problems above still seem to apply. --Stefan4 (talk) 18:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is the fact that all Thai provincial seals are public domain under Thai law because they are shown in the Royal Gazette; anything that published in the Royal Gazette has to be PD, given as PD-TH-exempt licence. They are not related with whoever has uploaded; they can legally exist on Commons. See link in their descriptions. FYI: Royal Gazette = Thai official proclamation that enforce the law. Everything becomimg effective originates from it. I am Thai people I know this clearly. --Octahedron80 (talk) 15:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The English text at {{PD-TH-exempt}} suggests that the template only applies to certain legal texts, but these seals are not text, so they don't seem to be covered by the template. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The means of the act already cover everything including images such as signatures, garuda seals, provincial seals, flags, etc. I suggest the English text of the template must be re-translate clearer. (The act is printed in Thai language only; it really has no official translation.) --Octahedron80 (talk) 15:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll contact some lawyer to explain this and he may also revise the template. --Octahedron80 (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful to get it right. Many countries have provisions which state that legal texts are in the public domain but these provisions often exclude images included in those texts. See for example {{PD-Sweden-URL9}} and {{PD-GermanGov}} which only apply to text. The discovery that the German tag only applies to text caused a lot of trouble (see Commons:WikiProject Public Domain/German stamps review). --Stefan4 (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think your sample situation may not apply to Thailand jurisdiction. If it's true, every images in Category:PD-TH-exempt will collapse, not even seals. Please wait for him (maybe a week).

PS. Remember that the law is more effective than user-defined tag; the tag is just information how the law affects. --Octahedron80 (talk) 16:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted those created (according dscription page) 1943 and later but kept those created earlier. --Ju Ta 01:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One restored, as per [1]. Yann (talk) 09:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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