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Au contraire ! Il y a beaucoup de demandes d'illustration pour les prisons et rares sont les illustrations qui montrent la vie carcérale, c'est à dire des détenus. Je crois plutôt que ce qui dérange ce n'est pas le "project:scope" mais la raison de la détention d'un artiste et qui est donnée dans chaque description et dans chaque fichier et qui implique le frère-députéPascal Terrasse : https://injustifiables.wordpress.com // Censure (censorship) pour ne pas "faire la lumière sur" ! - Cyril Delacour (talk) 13:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Proposing images on a talk page is not justifying their EV. And actually, you did not wait for any comment before adding one of them to an article... — Racconish ☎13:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please stay calm and discuss ad rem, not ad personam. Accusing me of having a personal agenda or beeing a free-mason [1] is not constructive. — Racconish ☎16:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Je n'ai pas accusé, j'ai demandé si vous êtes un franc-maçon, ce qui pose un problème de neutralité vu le serment d'entre-aide (voir ce qu'en dit l'ex Procureur Éric de Montgolfier par exemple) au cas où vous êtes franc-maçon, puisque le député PS Pascal Terrasse l'est comme c'est révélé sur cet article qui diffuse une lettre de la fraternelle des parlementaires en soutien, lettre qui évoque de l'obscurantisme. Connaissant d'expérience comment s'articule le langage de cette secte (à l'envers) l'obscurantisme serait ici votre censure, censure que vos actes révèlent ici par exemple : https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prison&action=history et vous mettez (à l'envers toujours) la charrue avant les bœufs en justifiant la suppression d'un fichier aussi par son manque d'utilisation alors que vous en êtes responsable. Ce sont des méthodes qui à mon avis ne sont pas tolérables par la communauté que représente Commons et Wikipédia et il est donc de mon devoir et de ma responsabilité de les exposer. Donc la question reste en suspens : est-ce que vous êtes oui ou non franc-maçon ? Au cas où vous ne voulez pas répondre à cette question je demande à la communauté de ne pas tenir compte de vos interventions et demandes, et au cas où vous répondez par l'affirmative, de ne pas en tenir compte non plus en raison donc d'un manque de neutralité. Cyril Delacour (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Per COM:SCOPE. Sketches represent a documentation on the equipment, the setup and how humans interact with the prison space. As such there are reasonably usable to support any article on the life in prison. They are really interesting and capture well the essence of the place. The educative and informative value is so established. --Dereckson (talk) 16:13, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have no issue with drawings, so in the absolute I would deem these acceptable. In this case, it is not possible to photograph the interiors of French prisons, especially the daily lives of the inmates; these images are thus not only acceptable, but of considerable interest. The behaviour of the author (full disclosure: I blocked him from Commons for his comments above), or the special case of File:Caricature Pascal Terrasse.jpg, should not influence our judgement on these drawings. Rama (talk) 16:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I do understand what you two mean. My first reaction was the same as yours. Then I started looking more closely at these images and found them at the same time vague and very related to a personal history, hence unlikely to be used in any article. I would be very happy to withdraw my nomination for those particular images which you would find really encyclopedic. — Racconish ☎16:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A photography, a drawing will choose what to represent, what not to represent, as such the perfectly objective illustration couldn't exist. A personal testimony, a certain point of view is acceptable on Commons, as long as there is educative value, ie providing knowledge; instructional or informative. --Dereckson (talk) 16:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That is perfectly right. But a vague or unspecific sketch is useless, as well as a blurry low res photo. I relooked carefully at each picture and withdrew my nomination for 3 of them. Do you really care about the others ? — Racconish ☎16:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Je serais pour garder ces fichiers. Étant donné que des photos sont probablement impossibles, des dessins les remplaçant pourraient être acceptables. Il faudrait quand même que le description des fichiers ne soient pas des essais personnels (mais ça peut se corriger après-coup). Cordialement, Yann (talk) 16:47, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Kept: Consensus en vue de la conservation. Nomination withdrawn by requester, after an unanimous agreement after an exchange betweeen DR participants to keep the pictures. --Dereckson (talk) 17:02, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I withdraw my nomination for this image
Comment Proposing images on a talk page is not justifying their EV. And actually, you did not wait for any comment before adding one of them to an article... — Racconish ☎ 13:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Keep I have no issue with drawings, so in the absolute I would deem these acceptable. In this case, it is not possible to photograph the interiors of French prisons, especially the daily lives of the inmates; these images are thus not only acceptable, but of considerable interest. The behaviour of the author (full disclosure: I blocked him from Commons for his comments above), or the special case of File:Caricature Pascal Terrasse.jpg, should not influence our judgement on these drawings. Rama (talk) 16:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
