Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Simferopol Railway Station
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Files in Category:Simferopol Railway Station[edit]The same reasoning as in this RfD. The station is in Crimea - the territory claimed by both Ukraine and Russia. While in Russia there is Freedom of Panorama for buildings, in Ukraine there is not. Per precautionary principle we need to apply the most strict law - that'd be Ukrainian in the case. Some or perhaps even all files here were already deleted in the past but were batch undeleted when Russian Federation's law allowed FoP for buildings.--BaseSat (talk) 21:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
BaseSat (talk) 21:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
+ Мои фотографии - Вокзал.Симферополь 03.JPG и Вокзал.Симферополь 04.JPG - были загружены в сентябре 2012 года в рамках украинской части конкурса "Вики любит памятники" с использованием соотстветствующего загрузочного шаблона. Информацию о загрузке именно в рамках конкурса можно увидеть на страницах этих фотографий. Украинская сторона в лице жюри конкурса не предъявила никаких претензий к фотографиям. Я искренне не понимаю, почему претензии могли возникнуть сейчас. Мне кажется, логично для начала обратиться с претензиями к тем людям, которые отвечали за формирование конкурсных (загрузочных) списков, а не к юзерам, которые руководствовались этими списками, отправляя фотографии на конкурс. Екатерина Борисова (talk) 22:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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Kept: Crimea is currently using Russian law. In addition, there is not much to copyright on many of these pictures. Yann (talk) 12:58, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- @Yann: And what about last paragraph of Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#Russia? It states as per precautionary principle, images of knowingly unfree Crimean buildings should not be uploaded to Commons.--Anatoliy (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Files in Category:Simferopol Railway Station
[edit]All files show exterior and interior architecture of this Crimean railway station. There is no freedom of panorama of any sort in Ukraine. While the region is under de facto administration of Russian Federation, according to COM:FOP Russia: Following the Commons precautionary principle, images of knowingly unfree Crimean buildings should not be uploaded to Commons. See Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2014/09#Buildings in Crimea. And unfortunately, architect w:Alexey Dushkin is not yet dead for more than 70 years.
- File:1.Сімферополь Залізничний вокзал,.JPG
- File:2013.11.01.1229.18.S2410002.JPG
- File:2016.06.23.1834.22 Сімферополь залізничний вокзал.jpg
- File:2016.06.23.1835.28 Сімферополь залізничний вокзал.jpg
- File:2017.03.08.1641.04.S5110012.jpg
- File:2017.03.08.1645.04. Сімферополь Залізничний вокзал Локомотивне депо.jpg
- File:2017.03.08.1645.56.S5110025.jpg
- File:2017.03.08.1646.10.S5110027.jpg
- File:2017.03.08.1646.18.S5110029.jpg
- File:2017.05.01.1750.52. Сімферополь залізничний вокзал.jpg
- File:21.Сімферополь (Залізничний вокзал).jpg
- File:KZD Simferopol Passenger 2021-05 station interiors 2.jpg
- File:KZD Simferopol Passenger 2021-05 station interiors 3.jpg
- File:KZD Simferopol Passenger 2021-05 station interiors 4.jpg
- File:KZD Simferopol Passenger 2021-05 station interiors 5.jpg
- File:KZD Simferopol Passenger 2021-05 station interiors 6.jpg
- File:Simf rail ital.jpg
- File:Simferopol - train station - Feb 2011 (2).jpg
- File:Simferopol - train station - Feb 2011.jpg
- File:Simferopol 04-14 img27 train station square.jpg
- File:SIMFEROPOL RAILWAY STATION CRIMEA UKRAINE SEP 2013 (10051537015).jpg
- File:SIMFEROPOL RAILWAY STATION UKRAINE SEP 2013 (10084732194).jpg
- File:Simferopol Railway station.jpg
- File:Simferopol Railway Station.JPG
- File:Simferopol rws-01.jpg
- File:Simferopol rws-02.jpg
- File:Simferopol rws-04.jpg
- File:Simferopol rws-05.jpg
- File:Simferopol rws-08.jpg
- File:Simferopol RWS.jpg
- File:Simferopol vokzal 1.jpg
- File:Simferopol vokzal 2.jpg
- File:Simferopol Vokzal DSC 4831 01-101-0128.jpg
- File:SimfiropolTrainStation-3.jpg
- File:SimfiropolTrainStation-4.jpg
- File:SimfiropolTrainStation-7.jpg
- File:SimfiropolTrainStation.jpeg
- File:Train terminal with clock tower - Simferopol, Russia - panoramio.jpg
- File:Арка2.JPG
- File:Аркада ж.д. вокзала. Симферополь. Крым. Август 2010 - panoramio.jpg
- File:Башня ж.д. вокзала. Симферополь. Крым. Август 2010 - panoramio.jpg
- File:Башня с часами - panoramio (2).jpg
- File:Внутренний дворик вокзала - panoramio.jpg
- File:Вокзал - panoramio (22).jpg
- File:Вокзал - panoramio (23).jpg
- File:Вокзал - panoramio (24).jpg
- File:Вокзал в симферополе,часовая башня.JPG
- File:Вокзал.Симферополь 01.JPG
- File:Вокзал.Симферополь 02.JPG
- File:Вокзал1.jpg
- File:Вокзальная башня и арка города Симферополя.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал в Симферополе.JPG
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя 007.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя 008.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя 009.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя 01.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя 011.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя 016.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя 02.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя, 2017.jpg
- File:Железнодорожный вокзал Симферополя.jpg
- File:Залізничний вокзал 1.jpg
- File:Залізничний вокзал 2.jpg
- File:Залізничний вокзал м.Сімферополь.jpg
- File:Залізничний вокзал Сімферополь 2012 2.jpg
- File:Залізничний вокзал Сімферополь 2012.jpg
- File:Залізничний вокзал Симферополь.JPG
- File:Залізничний вокзал у Сімферополі.jpg
- File:Залізничний вокзал!.JPG
- File:Залізничний вокзал.Сімферополь (43).jpg
- File:Раритетный кадр, такого флага там уже не будет. Портик на главном здании. Ж.д. вокзал. Симферополь. Крым. Август 2010 - panoramio.jpg
- File:Сімферополь .Залізничний вокзал.jpg
- File:Сімферополь. Залізничний вокзал з боку міста.jpg
- File:Сімферопольський залізничний вокзал 01.JPG
- File:Симферополь, Варламов, 24-25 ноябрь 2015, 17.jpg
- File:Симферополь, Варламов, 24-25 ноябрь 2015, 18.jpg
- File:Симферополь. Вокзал. - panoramio - Дмитрий Ванькевич (1).jpg
- File:Симферополь. Вокзал. - panoramio - Дмитрий Ванькевич.jpg
- File:Симферополь. Вокзал. - panoramio.jpg
- File:Симферополь. Железнодорожный вокзал.1.jpg
- File:Симферопольский вокзал00.JPG
- File:Симферопольский ж-д вокзал -2.JPG
- File:Симферопольский ж-д вокзал -3.JPG
- File:УЖЕкрым.симферополь.12.20 - panoramio.jpg
- File:Часы на башне. Ж.д. вокзал. Симферополь. Крым. Август 2010 - panoramio.jpg
JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 13:00, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The Simferopol Railway Station building was erected in 1951, when Crimea was administrated by RSFSR. —Well-Informed Optimist (talk) 13:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Well-Informed Optimist If so, then in theory they join Ukrainian public domain at 1 Jan 2022, aren't they? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Well, now it's 2022, we can Keep. Lesless (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yep, I said below. The building is now PD even in Ukraine. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Well-Informed Optimist why do we calculate from the date of erection but not the period of life of the architect en:Alexey Dushkin? rubin16 (talk) 14:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- I am calculating nothing. The building was erected before 1954, when Crimea was still part of Russia, where there is freedom of panorama. —Well-Informed Optimist (talk) 14:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, yes, it wasn’t you. rubin16 (talk) 16:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- I am calculating nothing. The building was erected before 1954, when Crimea was still part of Russia, where there is freedom of panorama. —Well-Informed Optimist (talk) 14:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Well-Informed Optimist why do we calculate from the date of erection but not the period of life of the architect en:Alexey Dushkin? rubin16 (talk) 14:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yep, I said below. The building is now PD even in Ukraine. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Well, now it's 2022, we can Keep. Lesless (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Well-Informed Optimist If so, then in theory they join Ukrainian public domain at 1 Jan 2022, aren't they? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WIO. --A.Savin 17:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per previous nomination.--Anatoliy (talk) 17:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Well-Informed Optimist, A.Savin, and Ahonc: however, that is not the case as indicated on Russian FOP guideline at COM:FOP Russia. Again to highlight: Following the Commons precautionary principle, images of knowingly unfree Crimean buildings should not be uploaded to Commons. See Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2014/09#Buildings in Crimea. Also what is only OK are photos made before February 19, 1954 (not buildings). "Neverless photowork created in Crimea before February 19, 1954 is the subject of the Russian law." Note that the wording used is "photowork" and not "architectural work". If the entire paragraph needs to be modified or removed, then it must be discussed elsewhere (COM:VPC for instance). There are also cases of deleted building images at Category:Crimean FOP cases/deleted. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 18:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment As 1951+71(I always +1 for these "copyright terms" because I don't know which country don't rule it as "until the end of the year")=2022, I agree to temporary delete them for 5 months, and automatically restore on 1 Jan 2022, but then I wonder if we can avoid such "temporary deletions" or not, based on "utilitarian objects" as mentioned in COM:FOP Ukraine section? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: the building is not purely utilitarian. It has distinct architectural characteristics (not to mention that an architect designed it, not an engineering firm of some sort). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep File:УЖЕкрым.симферополь.12.20 - panoramio.jpg — I think the Simferopol Railway Station is not the main object of the photo. Maybe the red-white zebra is. =) Russian name of the file also don't contain any word referred to raiway station — "YET Crimea.Simferopol.12.20". So it can be de minimis. --Brateevsky {talk} 13:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per IAR - simply not worth the mechanical effort to delete all of these and restore them a few months later (along with readding them to articles), when our DR backlog is 9 months long and wasting admin time here means not resolving more pressing copyright violations in a timely manner. Just run out the clock and close as "keep" in 2022. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:52, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @King of Hearts: In this case, URAA might be another matter against a valid kept decision? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:17, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: buildings are not bound for URAA, as U.S. has freedom of panorama for buildings. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- So, I think there will have even no de minimis problems after 6 days, nothing to not legally keep them. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: buildings are not bound for URAA, as U.S. has freedom of panorama for buildings. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @King of Hearts: In this case, URAA might be another matter against a valid kept decision? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:17, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Категорически Keep, нужно руководствоваться существующим делам по Крыму, в частности, по его нахождению в составе России, где ограничений свободы панорамы нету, кроме памятников и мемориальных табличек. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 10:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Kept: Per previous decision of User:Yann, Crimea is currently using Russian law.. --Ellywa (talk) 23:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)