Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Capuan bust of Hannibal
Files in Category:Capuan bust of Hannibal
[edit]© 1932 by Phaidon Verlag (Wien-Leipzig). Is this OK for Commons? The sculpture itself dates from the Renaissance, and was discovered in the 17th century.
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Yann (talk) 12:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- This image: File:HannibalBarca.jpg is a small version of the same photo. So it should be added to the list. -Artanisen (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe ok, maybe not. True, the sculpture itself is obviously PD-old, so it comes down to who made the photograph and if the photographer has been dead long enough. The original edition of Theodor Mommsen's Römische Geschichte is PD-old because Mommsen died in 1903. Considering the lack of images in that edition (several available at the Internet Archive), the photo must have been introduced in a later edition. The file description seems to refer to this 1932 edition published at Phaidon Verlag. The subtitle Auswahl der Bilder besorgte Ludwig Goldscheider is concerning, as Goldscheider died only in 1973. The question remains whether Goldscheider was the photographer (meaning the photo is still copyrighted) or merely selected this photograph (meaning someone else is the photographer [but who?], potentially making the photo PD-old). --HyperGaruda (talk) 07:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Keep Google shows 200+ websites with a version of the same photo. There are also a multitude of book covers with that photo on Amazon. It doesn't say the photographer's name though. Alarmy has an edited version of this photo (they didn't take the photo). Below the photo is Italian text "P.I.N. 11036. NAPOLI - Museo Nazionale. Annibale. (Scultura Antica.)". So this photo was probably taken by an Italian photographer, maybe an employee of the museum in circa 1932 or earlier. I think it's safe to assume this is public domain. -Artanisen (talk) 22:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Comment I was canvassed to this discussion at User talk:Jeff G.#Marble bust of Hannibal by Artanisen after their failure to get enough traction here or at COM:VP#Image of the marble bust of Hannibal. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 22:46, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Canvassed is an incorrect term. I asked if you could reply to this discussion, because there was little activity here. I did explain my opinion about this category, but I didn't suggest how to vote. -Artanisen (talk) 22:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Artanisen: That's how it felt to me. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 23:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, and thank you for participating. -Artanisen (talk) 23:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Artanisen: That's how it felt to me. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 23:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Canvassed is an incorrect term. I asked if you could reply to this discussion, because there was little activity here. I did explain my opinion about this category, but I didn't suggest how to vote. -Artanisen (talk) 22:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Delete per nom, HyperGaruda, and prp. Without more information, we have to assume that the photo was taken by Ludwig Goldscheider, whose estate still holds the copyright through 1973+70=2043 per COM:Germany. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 22:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Kept: You can borrow the book at IA ([1]), and there's an image list in the back. This one is sourced as "Aufnahme: Alinari 11 036". So it's Italian, from the en:Fratelli Alinari company of Florence. There's an online archive of Alinari photos at www.alinari.it, where you can find this image too at [2]. The information there is ACA-F-011036-0000 - Hannibal; Roman bust in the National Archaeological Museum, Naples - Photographer: Alinari, Fratelli - Date of photography: 1900 ca., and there's more. A ca. 1900 photo is usually old enough for us, so I kept the files with {{PD-old-assumed-expired}}. --Rosenzweig τ 17:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)