Commons:Deletion requests/File:2020aug-derecho-corn-sunset-Adel-IA.jpg

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File:2020aug-derecho-corn-sunset-Adel-IA.jpg

Description said "Courtesy of Lisa Schmitz". There is no proof that Lisa Schmitz is an employee from NWS, thus the PD license in invalid A1Cafel (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

• Keep according to NWS photo submission information "By submitting images, you understand that your image is being released into the public domain. This means that your photo or video may be downloaded, copied, and used by others." Hence the photos are in the public domain and can be used on Commons ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 16:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
• Keep For the reasons stated above. It is even stated in the {{PD-NWS}} template that third-party photographs submitted to the NWS "have explicitly been released to the public domain by the copyright owner as part of the upload process." TornadoLGS (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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Kept: per NWS provisions. --King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

File:2020aug-derecho-corn-sunset-Adel-IA.jpg

As much as it pains me to do this because the Wikipedia/Commons collage for 2020 uses this picture; there is simply no way of knowing for sure whether or not this third party file is copyrighted or not. So I am reluctantly renominating this file for deletion. WestVirginiaWX (talk) 14:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand that this file was nominated prior and kept; but that was on the pretext that everything on NWS servers are public domain. We have two emails from the weather service that prove that it simply isn’t the case. The NWS does host non-free content and without an email from the weather service (preferably to VRT) confirming the copyright status of this work; the status is very ambiguous. WestVirginiaWX (talk) 14:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Therefore, my vote is conditional delete as the nominator of this file. WestVirginiaWX (talk) 14:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Closing admins should familiarise themselves with the evidence and discussions at this RfC when closing this request.

 Keep - While I honor the ambiguous expression that WestVirginiaWX has expressed, I feel that at the time of uploading and posting on the NWS website, the photo submission guidelines indicating ownership release and entry into the PD was clear. However, that previous page is deprecated. The current legal disclaimer begins clearly with "The information on National Weather Service (NWS) Web pages are in the public domain, unless specifically noted otherwise" with three exception conditions which have not been met. The photo above, which is still hosted on the NWS-DMX 2020 derecho report, does not note any specific copyright retention. ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 22:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Go look at village pump right now and let me know what they say. They want to deprecate the template that this image is using. WestVirginiaWX (talk) 22:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

The link they cited in the previous discussion also leads to an error 404 message. WestVirginiaWX (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

If you want to though; you’re more than welcome to email the weather service and ask them if it’s copyrighted. WestVirginiaWX (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Mentioned it on the main post regarding these, but I am emailed DMX and am currently in discussion with them. ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 20:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. There's no such thing as the NWS's image submission guidline; just many different image submission guidelines used by different NWS regional offices at different times for different purposes (summary of about 12 known, different, and contradictory ones in another DR here). A couple of them mention the PD, most of them do not. Since we have no way of knowing which (if any) of these the submitter actually used, we have no evidence of permission that the creator released this file into the public domain. --Rlandmann (talk) 04:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep: The image comes from this NWS webpage. At the bottom of the webpage is a disclaimer button. Per that disclaimer, “The information on National Weather Service Web servers and Web sites is in the public domain, unless specifically annotated otherwise, and may be used freely by the public.” The caption of the image is: "Corn damaged near Adel. Courtesy of Lisa Schmitz". The bottom of the webpage also directly says, "Media use of NWS Web News Stories is encouraged! Please acknowledge the NWS as the source of any news information accessed from this site."

For the clause of “specifically annotated otherwise”, NWS either allows the user to add a copyright “©” watermark to the image {as seen in this image, hosted on this NWS webpage} or by directly adding a copyright statement using “©” {as seen on this NWS webpage: difference between the “Tornado Photos” and “Damage” tabs}. That disclaimer is linked at the bottom of all three of the NWS webpages linked above (this image’s webpage + 2 I used as examples). To me, “specifically annotated otherwise” indicates a direct copyright (©) statement or watermark.

Based on this evidence: (1) There is no clear "specifically annotated otherwise" copyright statements with this image. (2) NWS says to acknowledge them when using info from the webpage. (3) The image is clearly hosted on a web site as well as on the web servers of the National Weather service, indicating the disclaimer can be used. For all of those reasonings, I support keeping this image as it is a public domain image. WeatherWriter (talk) 05:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep - Per WeatherWriter. ChessEric (talk) 05:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC)