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File:Ponta Negra, Manaus - AM.jpg

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Copy of photo from copyrighted website, listed as a source: [1]. Please check also other images uploaded by same user.--Ednei amaral (talk) 04:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. User uploaded some non-free images from random websites - @Uploader: please read Commons:First steps. --Martin H. (talk) 04:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Edadesargentina 2.jpg

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 Delete Yes delete it. Ellibriano2 (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Uploader-requested deletion. Alakasam (talk) 17:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted by D-Kuru: Uploader request: del rewuest by uploader User:Ellibriano2

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File:Edadesargentina.jpg

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 Delete Yes delete it. Ellibriano2 (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Uploader-requested deletion. Alakasam (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted by D-Kuru: Uploader request: del rewuest by uploader User:Ellibriano2

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File:FOTO EDADES BSAS.jpg

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 Delete Yes delete it. Ellibriano2 (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Uploader-requested deletion. Alakasam (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted by D-Kuru: Uploader request: del rewuest by uploader User:Ellibriano2

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File:Термоса Станислав.jpg

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A photo made Termosa himself for the article about himself.
Initiator of deletion: 13:09, 10. Okt. 2009 Hellerick --Fixing request:--El-Bardo (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete out of scope --El-Bardo (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete as unused personal image unless creator is notable. --Simonxag (talk) 11:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Ляля Бежецкая в фетиш-образе.jpg

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it's Lyalya Bezhetskaya and uploader paid for the photoshoot but has no permission to publish under a free license 2 10 more in Category:Lyalya Bezhetskaya
Initiator of deletion: 05:30, 22. Sep. 2009 Elsa Baye --Fixing request: --El-Bardo (talk) 12:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Permission? --El-Bardo (talk) 13:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep When any performer has a publicity shot taken they always arrange to have the copyright (or an agreement to do with it as they wish). We have loads of publicity type shots supplied by their subjects and we rarely have permission from anyone other than the supplier of the image. See the standard email we send to people Commons:Email templates when we want their picture. I do find it odd that this one artist has been targeted in this manner. --Simonxag (talk) 11:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep +1 Bunnyfrosch (talk) 16:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Per Simonxag. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Ляля Бежецкая в корсете цвета хаки.jpg

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it's Lyalya Bezhetskaya and uploader paid for the photoshoot but has no permission to publish under a free license 2 10 more in Category:Lyalya Bezhetskaya
Initiator of deletion: 05:31, 22. Sep. 2009 Elsa Baye --Fixing request:--El-Bardo (talk) 12:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Permission?--El-Bardo (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep When any performer has a publicity shot taken they always arrange to have the copyright (or an agreement to do with it as they wish). We have loads of publicity type shots supplied by their subjects and we rarely have permission from anyone other than the supplier of the image. See the standard email we send to people Commons:Email templates when we want their picture. I do find it odd that this one artist has been targeted in this manner. --Simonxag (talk) 12:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep +1 Bunnyfrosch (talk) 16:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Per Simonxag. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:AFIO_WINTERSPRG2009.pdf

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Out of project scope. Pieter Kuiper (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Devon Hewett at 17.jpg

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(It is my file and i uploaded the wrong picture along with an uaccurate file description ) --Devonhewett (talk) 16:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC) Devonhewett (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Why do you want to delete your picture, when you're using it on your website? --Simonxag (talk) 11:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(i do not want it published on wikipedia please delete it) --Devonhewett

 Delete personal image as per uploader's request. It does seem bizarre that he hasn't removed it from his Wikipedia userpage. --Simonxag (talk) 12:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Salma_Malik.jpg

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No longer used, outdated Mustafa54 (talk) 18:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep Seems to be a photo you took of en:Salma Malik, who is notable enough to have a Wikipedia page about her. We also don't seem to have any other images of this woman. --Simonxag (talk) 12:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Salma_Malik.jpg

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Mustafa54 wrote in a new deletion request "Owner requestd deletion."

 Keep As above, it's a useful picture.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Mustafa54, why do you want to have it deleted? --Túrelio (talk) 17:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
@Túrelio, the person in the picture has asked me to remove this picture and uplaod another one. If I no longer want this picture to be used by anyone, what do I do?
The most important thing was, that you gave us this reason/rationale for the deletion. Did you already upload the other one? --Túrelio (talk) 20:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
@Túrelio, The other one has not been uploaded yet. Sorry but I a little confused about this deletion thing. Will the picture be delted on the request of the owner or some other reason has to be provided? Like will this picture be delted as per the request of the owner?
It goes like this: by uploading an image under a free license, you sort of relinquished your say over the image. However, as we value our uploaders, if an uploader provides a rationale reason for his deletion request, a deletion out of courtesy is possible. But it is not an automatism, as any interested user can take part in this discussion that will usually be open for 7 days and then decided by an admin. (To identify your own comment, could you "sign" them by adding --~~~~ ). --Túrelio (talk) 20:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks alot for the info. One last thing, will you decide if the file is to be deleted or any admin will do that? --Mustafa54 (talk)
Any admin. Likely not me, because I'm already part in the discussion. A tip: uploading the other image will increase the likelyhood that your wish a granted. (but it is not a condition!) --Túrelio (talk) 20:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Uploader should now make good on his commitment to upload a new picture. -- Avi (talk) 06:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Preguntas_Frecuentes_Influenza_PAN.pdf

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Badly scanned PDF of a document. Uploader claims it as own work; if that's true, then it's out of scope. Jmabel ! talk 00:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, out of scope. --The Evil IP address (talk) 00:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Rodrigo_osbaldo.pdf

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Pretty clearly out of scope; probably rights issues as well. Jmabel ! talk 00:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, out of scope. --The Evil IP address (talk) 00:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Gorbatschow_Portrait_b.jpg

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No evidence given why this image falls under a PD-US Gov licence. Images from http://www.dtra.mil/ are in general not in the public domain. High Contrast (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence given that this was taken by the US government. --Simonxag (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Nilfanion (talk) 01:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Gorbatschow_Portrait.jpg

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No evidence given why this image falls under a PD-US Gov licence. Images from http://www.dtra.mil/ are in general not in the public domain. High Contrast (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence given that this was taken by the US government. --Simonxag (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Nilfanion (talk) 01:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:DrinkingWater_155px.jpg

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Image is contained in the CDC website but is not public domain. Phone contact with media relations department confirms that images that are not in phil.cdc.gov are not neccesarily public domain. This is a stock image that appears on the CDC site, it is not public domain. Ericschrader (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Image is on this stock site as a copyrighted image.

http://www.photolibrary.com/zoom.html?similar_id=13508246

Ericschrader (talk)

Deleted. Nilfanion (talk) 01:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Images of Muehlenau

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It seems that User:Muehlenau's images are all copyvios. First image was cropped from second (in the first picture is notice about copyright) and third image come from [2]. --Podzemnik (talk) 08:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete per nom --Simonxag (talk) 11:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Podzemnik (talk) 23:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Images of Croatian coins and banknotes

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I believe that User:Cocoloi, User:Roberta F., User:Dijxtra and User:Suradnik13's images are all copyvios because a permission from the National Bank of Croatia is needed. See Article 24 of the Act on the NBC, Official Gazette 75/2007 [3]. --Manu (talk) 06:13, 20 October 2009(UTC)

 Keep please see this Reproduction of Croatian currency--Ex13 (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete Reproduction of Croatian currency is too restrictive on usage and derivative works. And also currency is copyrighted by Croatian National Bank. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete Croatian copyright lasts 50 years. The permissions given by the Croatian authorities are too restrictive for the Commons. --Simonxag (talk) 11:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment User Mvllez wrote on my talkpage that he asked for the written permission of the Croatian National Bank, and he's waiting for that approval. Can we wait a little bit (1 month) to get that permission?--Ex13 (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete Szajci reci 13:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Stifle (talk) 19:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Dimriver.jpg

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Image licensed under by-nc-sa at flickr [4] --Justass (talk) 09:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is my photo. I can license it whatever i like in Flickr or here. Mulazimoglu (talk) 06:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have any verification that you are really the user from flickr. You can add a link to the images page or include the information about the free licence as proove that you are really that user from flickr. If there is no verification the image should be deleted. --D-Kuru (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Go delete then. I am giving something for commons. I won't beg it to be accepted. I will not upload anything one again for commons. Mulazimoglu (talk) 17:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No matter if you are the real author or not: The use of such deletions requests is to assure that the author's rights don't get violated. Even we usually assume good faith you may understand that everybody could claim to be the real author. We just care about (if you're the real author:) your (if not:) the real authors rights. An improvement on a descriptionpage on flickr (eg. a link to Wikimedia Commons or a note that this image could be also used under a free licence) is not that hard and does not take that much time and it would be a usable verification.
--D-Kuru (talk) 03:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep 2 usernames are the same, there's camera data and there's nothing suspicious. --Simonxag (talk) 11:34, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I download the image in full resolution the EXIF data is included as well. Even the two usernames are the same it would be something new to me that this is a suitable verification. --D-Kuru (talk) 03:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted by Killiondude: No permission since 8 March 2010

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File:Rollo_desenhos_2.jpg

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Clearly not "own work", signed by Nicola Rollo (Brazilian artist, died 1970). Presumably copyrighted. Jmabel ! talk 00:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks offhand like there may be similar problems with other images from the same uploader. - Jmabel ! talk 00:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Re: Os desenhos originais são, de fato, de Nicola Rollo, falecido em 1970, conforme escrito em sua biografia, editada por mim na wikipedia. Na realidade são duas instâncias diferentes: os desenhos originais e as fotografias dos referidos desenhos. Não possuo, de fato, os direitos em relação aos desenhos mas sim em relação às fotografias. Os desenhos originais foram cedidos para serem reproduzidos livremente, em 1986/1987 por Raphael Galvez, já falecido, e por Mayra Laudanna, professora da Universidade de São Paulo-USP. Não sei por que, de uns tempos para cá, resolveram invalidar tantas contribuições minhas, é para desestimular a participação? Se for, sintam-se à vontade e eliminem quantas de minhas contribuições julgarem pertinente serem eliminadas. Apenas gostaria de ser advertido/comunicado em minha própria língua. Agradecido. Luiz Carlos Cappellano

Translating to the best of my ability, with some help from Google Translate. Please correct me if this is not quite right. - Jmabel ! talk 02:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Re: The original drawings are, in fact, by Nicola Rollo, who died in 1970, as written in his biography, edited by me on Wikipedia. In reality are two separate entities: the original drawings and photographs of the drawings. I do not know, in fact, the rights in relation to the drawings but only in relation to the photographs. The original drawings were sold to be freely reproduced in 1986/1987 by Raphael Galvez, now deceased, and Mayra Laudanna, professor at the University of São Paulo-USP. I do not know why for some time now, you have decided to invalidate many of my contributions, is to discourage participation? If so, feel free to eliminate as many of my contributions as you deem appropriate to dispose of. I just want to be warned / reported in my own language. Thanks. Luiz Carlos Cappellano
  • Last things first: I posted to Luiz's user talk page with a template that standard template that has a link on it marked "Português" that he can click on to read the message in Portuguese. Unless I'm very mistaken, our standard—nearly universal—approach when considering deleting an image is to post this template, with main text in English and buttons to see the text in other languages. This was not me choosing to ignore Carlos's native language.
  • The photo, being a faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work, creates no new rights. The issue is entirely the rights to the underlying image.
  • You say the drawings were "sold to be freely reproduced": if so, we are fine to have it here, but that would not normally be the status of work by an artist who died in 1970. What was the basis for Raphael Galvez and Mayra Laudanna to have the rights to Nicola Rollo's work? Were they his heirs? And is there indication (either published or in your possession) that these works may be freely reproduced? Normally, transfer of a physical artwork does not transfer any intellectual property rights. Please see Commons:Critérios para inclusão/Princípio precautório if you do not understand why I am raising these questions.
  • Believe me, you don't want to see the mess I'd make if I tried to express this in Portuguese, but I'll see if I can get someone to translate.
- Jmabel ! talk 02:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Caro editor,
Meu inglês é suficientemente bom para entender o que você escreve mas não é suficientemente bom para tentar escrever.
Sinta-se à vontade para excluir TODAS as imagens que julgar necessário. Apenas tenha em mente que Nicola Rollo era práticamente desconhecido do grande público até bem recentemente e que foi minha pesquisa de mestrado quem o "redescobriu". Se as pessoas não puderem mais olhar para estes desenhos que eu postei ninguém nunca mais saberá como eram os desenhos de Nicola Rollo, podendo se aplicar o mesmo princípio às suas esculturas, uma vez que só restam as alegorias que ele produziu para o Palácio das Indústrias em São Paulo Capital, uma meia dúzia de túmulos e o Cristo do Guarujá. É a cultura brasileira (e universal) que perde com a exclusão destas imagens, não o professor Luiz Carlos Cappellano, que sempre terá as suas próprias cópias (impressas e digitais) destas mesmas imagens para se reportar.
Um outro editor, igualmente de língua inglesa, desejou eliminar minhas próprias fotografias do Painel Paulo Freire (acompanhe na minha discussão), sendo que o painel foi pintado por mim em 2008, está num espaço público, e se trata de uma homenagem ao maior educador do Brasil de todos os tempos! Tratava-se de problema de descontextualização cultural, falta de referenciais sobre o que seja a cultura brasileira, e por isso hoje eu só me expresso em português: é a defesa de minha língua e de minha cultura, de meu país.
Como reafirmei antes, sinta-se à vontade para eliminar o que quer que seja, desde que tenha em mente que estará empobrecendo não apenas o commons, mas também a wikipedia, e a internet como um todo.
Cordiais Saudações
Luiz Carlos Cappellano
Dear Jmabel I can write in English, but in a very elementary way. I had talked to you: you can eliminate how many images you want, I'll not be disadvantaged. The elimination will change the commons pourly and the wikipedia article, about Nicola Rollo, too. I had understood perfectly all aspects of your argumentation, and I respect your opinion, your point of view. Thank You.
Luiz Carlos Cappellano

Comentando a pedido do Jmabel --Waldir talk 08:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Antes de mais nada, quero fazer duas clarificações em relação à tradução da mensagem original do Luiz feita com recurso ao Google Translate. Ela está bastante aceitável para uma tradução automátcia (imagino que tenha havido ajustes manuais), mas duas expressões foram traduzidas erroneamente:

  • "Não possuo, de fato, os direitos" = "I do not own, in fact, the rights", e não "I do not know, in fact, the rights";
  • "foram cedidos para serem reproduzidos livremente" = "were given away to be freely reproduced" e não "were sold to be freely reproduced"

Posto isto, parece-me que a questão principal aqui envolve a questão feita por Jmabel:

  • "You say the drawings were "sold ceded to be freely reproduced": if so, we are fine to have it them here, but that would not normally be the status of work by an artist who died in 1970. What was the basis for Raphael Galvez and Mayra Laudanna to have the rights to Nicola Rollo's work? Were they his heirs? And is there indication (either published or in your possession) that these works may be freely reproduced?"

Esta questão permanece sem resposta: Para Raphael Galvez e Mayra Laudanna cederem os direitos, tinham que os possuir em primeiro lugar, e não foi indicado o motivo de serem os detentores dos mesmos. Teriam herdado os trabalhos, como pergunta o Jmabel, ou compraram os direitos? Ou foi outra circunstância? Peço ao Luiz que esclareça esse ponto, possivelmente enviando o documento ou comprovativo que o confirma (se a ele tiver acesso) através do sistema OTRS, ou explique as circunstâncias em que a transferência ocorreu, se possível com links (por exemplo, referentes a eventuais publicações). Caso contrário, por devido ao protocolo de protecção legal do Commons, a imagem não poderá ser alojada aqui. --Waldir talk 08:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grato Waldir por resolver as questões linguísticas. Como eu expliquei aqui o meu inglês é bom o suficiente para entender o que se escreve, mas não bom o suficiente para escrever de maneira fluente, apenas o básico. Bem, como já disse aqui, após um período de relativo brilho (entre os anos 20 e os 50), nos quais foi professor de vários escultores famosos (como Figueira, Oliani, Teresa D'Amico e o próprio Raphael Galvez), Nicola Rollo caiu no ostracismo, o Parque D. Pedro II, onde se encontra o Palácio das Indústrias, tornou-se um espaço degradado e nunca foi estabelecida a sua biografia. Ingressando no mestrado em História da Arte e da Cultura da UNICAMP-Universidade Estadual de Campinas, iniciei pesquisa visando recuperar não apenas Nicola Rollo, mas também Luigi Brizzolara. O trabalho, publicado, encontra-se disponível on-line e se chama, não por acaso,Nos Dédalos da Memória, ao Encontro de Dois Enigmas. No processo de pesquisa, entrevistei várias vezes Raphael Galvez (possuidor da composição com galhos, em betume) o qual me permitiu divulgar livremente as imagens conseguidas em seu atelier, bem como suas entrevistas (gravadas em velhas fitas k7, entre 1986 e 1987). Mayra Laudanna, professora do IEB-Instituto de Estudos Brasileiros, da USP-Universidade de São Paulo, me acompanhou a estas entrevistas. O desenho da Virgem Maria, a lápis, lhe havia sido presenteado por Mário Graciotti, que o recebera das mãos do próprio Nicola Rollo, de quem privava da amizade. Mayra igualmente me autorizou a utilizar a imagem para fins de trabalho. Bem, esta é toda a história e, inclusive, se for o caso, então, penso que todos os desenhos de Rollo devam ser eliminados, bem como a Cabeça de Fauno e os modelos de Gigantes, pois todos estes ítens foram fotografados nas mesmas circunstâncias. Esclareço que, caso estas medidas sejam tomadas (ou seja, a eliminação dos desenhos de Nicola Rollo, dos modelos dos gigantes e da cabeça de Fauno) restaurão apenas, acessíveis ao grande público, o túmulo de Luis ísola, os bandeirantes do Museu do Ipiranga, o Cristo do Guarujá e os trabalhos no Palácio das Indústrias. Aproveito o ensejo para questionar porque a alegoria do comércio (fotografia feita por mim, com uma câmara rudimentar em 1986, recortada e escaneada) está também listada para eliminação. O editor que propôs a eliminação não entende português e eu não entendo "portunhol" (deve ser fruto de uma tradução eletrônica), logo, não conseguimos nos fazer entender mútuamente. Agradecido. Me submeto a qualquer veredito. Luiz Carlos Cappellano.

Caro Waldir, gostaria de saber como está a questão em relação à eliminação dos desenhos de Nicola Rollo, porque não quero manter absolutamente nada que possa ser considerado ilícito. Como havia apontado antes, por analogia, se File:Rollo desenhos 2.jpg for eliminada, então File:Rollo - gigantes.jpg, File:Rollo - gigantes 1.jpg, File:Rollo - gigantes 2.jpg, File:Rollo-Fauno 1.jpg, File:Rollo-Fauno 2.jpg, File:Rollo-Fauno.jpg, File:Rollo desenhos 1.jpg, File:Rollo desenhos 1.jpg e File:Rollo-desenhos.jpg devem ser eliminadas também, pois as fotografias originais foram realizadas no mesmo local, data e condições. Como eu havia dito antes, não desejo fazer nada ilícito e me submeto a qualquer veredito dos editores. Agradecido. Luiz Carlos Cappellano.

Two possibilities for retaining these images (and Waldir, could you please translate if this is unclear to Luiz?) (1) Can we get OTRS from someone who clearly has rights? (2) Failing that, all or some these could still be re-uploaded on any individual language Wikipedia(s) that allow a non-free-use justification and have an article about Nicola Rollo. Waldir, does the Portuguese Wikipedia allow justifications for non-free use? - Jmabel ! talk 16:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I had not seen this DR when I made Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rollo-Fauno 1.jpg, two scans of photos made by Mayra Laudanna. Probably permission for the photos is not the problem, but it leaves the problem with permission for the work by Rollo. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 00:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, lacks suitable permission. Kameraad Pjotr 18:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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