Commons:Administrators/Requests/Raboe001

 Support = 23;  Oppose = 11;  Neutral = 0 - 68% Result. Unsuccessful. odder (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Raboe001

Vote

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Scheduled to end: 14:18, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I suggest to give Raboe001 adminstrator's rights. He's a valuable member of the OTRS team, but somehow limited to process permission tickets because he is lacking the rights in Commons. (E.g. to review or undelete deleted images).

He certainly will follow the rules of the project as "to enact the community's consensus", "to act in the best interests of the wiki" etc. --Reinhard Kraasch (talk) 14:18, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this nomination. -- Ra Boe watt?? 14:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Votes

•  Support He will need it for the OTRS. --DaB. (talk) 14:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Of course. --Pankoken (talk) 14:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support met him at Wikimania 2010, he’ll do his job fine -- 32X (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support, experienced longterm contributor. --Túrelio (talk) 14:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support --ManfredK (talk) 14:43, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support --Ralf Roleček 15:06, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support - Jcb (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Reading the votes below, I wish to add a statement to my vote. When I became an admin, I requested this to support my work at OTRS. At that moment I was not half as experienced at Commons as Raboe is now, he is really an experienced user with about 100k contributions. At that moment, apparently it was fine for the community to have people in the admin team who focus on OTRS work. I think I have shown meanwhile that I am willing to participate in different admin tasks. I think that Raboe will also participate in different tasks if he has the tools, but even if he doesn't, I see no problem. We have several admins who do a handful of DR closures every year in order not to lose their admin bit. These are not seldom poor closures. Raboe is experienced at this project and I cannot remember any serious trouble with them. Imho Raboe would be a welcome member of the admin team. I don't care whether they focus on OTRS or DRs or speedy deletions or whatever part of the admin work. We have plenty of work on all these parts. Jcb (talk) 18:15, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Jianhui67 ^T★C 15:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support. -- Geagea (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Raymond 16:59, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose Nothing against RaBoe, but: poor introduction (sysop bit only because he is OTRS agent?), missing English knowledge, hardly any activity on maintenance areas except for OTRS tickets, on administrators' noticeboards etc.. Sorry --A.Savin 18:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per A.Savin, concerns. And i never saw him involved in admin tasks (except OTRS undeletions). We need active admins on Commons, i don't think the whole admin toolkit should be granted just for undeleting a few files for OTRS. --Steinsplitter (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose as per A.Savin and Steinsplitter - No file renames, No DR work, No maintenance work ..... Pretty pointless giving the mop to someone who wants to work on Undelete/OTRS only, This is a big project and as such we need admins who want to help with everything ... not just 0.1% of the website... as such Oppose. –Davey2010^Talk 22:58, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose A.Savin has a fair point. Natuur12 (talk) 23:06, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose A.Savin makes a convincing argument. No reflection on the candidate personally. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (talk) 02:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per above. Concerns with limited experience outside of OTRS-related matters. -FASTILY 06:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Most of the OTRS job is not visible in Commons, but it is in any case necessary for Commons. Raboe is comparatively new to the OTRS team but has already done a good job there, which is hard to do without admin rights (it means - if done by a non-admin - a lot of extra work for the admins, because they have to undelete images such that a non-admin can check whether the permission is appropiate and then maybe have deleted them again...) --Reinhard Kraasch (talk) 10:14, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

  @Reinhard Kraasch: We need active and experienced admins who are able to help us reducing the DR, CSD, speedydlete, merge, dupe, etc. backlog. I don't think OTRS is enough to get the sysop bit, for such cases we have COM:UDEL. --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:14, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

  Undeleting is just an example, you are an OTRS member by yourself and should know how useful (if not: necessary) admin rights are for that job. By the way: We also have quite a backlog there ... --Reinhard Kraasch (talk) 13:19, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

  @Steinsplitter: Sorry, but I do not get the logic of your words. How does it help with DR, CSD, speedy… if Raboe001 is NOT elected? If he is elected and NEVER does (for example) any speedy-deletes, that doesn’t differ from the case if he is not elected (both times 0x speedy). But if he is elected he can do the OTRS-needed work himself and does not need to brother an admin, which reduces their work (so they can do speedys for example). The number of admins is not fixed, so Raboe is not taking an admin-seat away which could otherwise be used by an all-type-of-work-admin. --DaB. (talk) 22:21, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Support Regarding the arguments about the other admin activities: I can not understand why someone has to do all the tasks right now. In my opinion, it is very welcome and extremely helpful for the project, even if only part of these tasks are ready to be supported by someone. The assessment should therefore be: Is the candidate trustworthy and experienced enough for his desired field of activity? And not: Can he perform any conceivable admin task? --Stepro (talk) 16:34, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• "I can not understand why someone has to do all the tasks right now" - It's not a case of right now ... It's a case of he doesn't plan to help at all, I agree "Every little helps" but being blatantly and perhaps bluntly honest OTRS work isn't much help when we have huge backlogs each and every day. –Davey2010^Talk 18:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

_{Sorry Davey2010 that I have expressed myself wrong, of course I will take over other admin tasks if I am experienced.-- Ra Boe watt?? 07:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)}

• I interpret this in the way: When Commons admins have a backlog, OTRS has to have a backlog as well. Raboe never said he will not help at all, he might just not be able to help in the all places where help is needed, but I think that will be the case with any new admin. But even if he would do solely his OTRS job he will exonerate the other admins because he no longer has to bug them with whatsoever requests. --Reinhard Kraasch (talk) 20:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Support Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 17:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Steiny --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 17:36, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support An OTRS member who can do his job by himself is better than an OTRS member who cannot. (I thought Commons is a multi-language project and it is advisable to speak English but not indispensable.) NNW 18:41, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
  • You are definitely correct, it's not at all mandatory to have good English skills. Jcb (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Raboe001 has been taking up a fair amount of administrator time with undeletion requests, it would be better if they could deal with those requests themselves, perhaps then leaving other administrators available to work on other parts of the project. We need to get away from the idea that we need a small number very active administrators doing 99% of the work, what we need is many more administrators each doing a small number of actions every week - that will stop burnout amongst our very active administrators and will ultimately allow us to reduce our backlogs. There's no negatives to giving Raboe001 the toolset - they're trusted, they've contributed to our project through their extensive OTRS work, that's all we should be asking for. If they choose to do a few deletions as and when they come across files needing to be deleted, or they close some DRs when handling some OTRS tickets, that's a bonus. The age old adage, adminship is no big deal, and as we have a functioning de-RfA process and functioning activity requirements, it's a really not a big deal at all. Nick (talk) 07:47, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Raboe001 is the right man for this job. He is calm, relaxed, and never gets angry. --Matthias Süßen (talk) 10:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support - highly trusted user. I know Raboe since long years also in personal. He's a very good photographer and knows about our rules, licenses etc. He is experienced as Administrator at de:WP. He would be a great support for Wikimedia Commons. And Commons needs more good Administrators. There are not much users who are better qualified for this Job. Marcus Cyron (talk) 12:32, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

"He is experienced as Administrator at de:WP." He is not an admin at dewp and never was admin there... --Steinsplitter (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

You are right. In my mind, he was - but I remembered not correct. Neverless, knowledge and experince he still would have. Long time Wikimedian, experienced in everything a Wikimedian can be experienced. Even as former Member of the Board of Wikimedia Germany. As participant in several photo projects in german parliaments and at the European parliament. And, and, and, ... Marcus Cyron (talk) 13:08, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Support --Kenny McFly (talk) 12:41, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support —DerHexer (Talk) 13:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Fleißiger und zuverlässiger Kollege. Vollstes Vertrauen. --ST ○ 18:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support --Ghilt (talk) 19:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support --Rudolf Simon (talk) 10:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC) - sehr engagierter Wikipedianer und Fotograf
•  Support I was actually planning to create this nomination myself this week, Reinhard was faster. --Didym (talk) 18:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per A.Savin. Sealle (talk) 02:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose Nice guy, trusted user, and against my first impression the tools could perhaps be helpful for his work even in the stated small scope. On the other hand, concerns about understanding of Commons policies prevail. Concerns also about the lot of voters who never showed up in any Commons RfA before. --Krd 10:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

  Every voter once voted for the forst time. And since there are not that much Admin requests anymore, it's not a great wonder if you have more than one fisrst voter. A strange oppose in my eyes.. Marcus Cyron (talk) 15:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

  I share Krd's concerns, a number of voters who are generally not !voting here (including a few ones with only a few edits). I hope the closing bureaucrat takes this fact into consideration as per COM:A#Voting. --Steinsplitter (talk) 15:32, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

  Do I understand correctly that it is credited to RaBoe as a disadvantage, if people votes here who are not so often here? Me for example? Hard to believe. What do you suggest? Votes are only allowed für guys, who are at least 3 years admin? People always told me, commons ist an strange place, but really so strange? --Pankoken (talk) 16:42, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Personally I would say it is a disadvantage - Not to sound horrible but editors who for instance spend their life at EN and perhaps make the odd edit now and again here at Commons should be discounted as they wouldn't know much in terms of policies etc - They'd only be supporting on the basis of "I've seen this editor at EN so therefore I support" ....Off topic but I would also say newbies should be discounted as again they wouldn't be clued up on policies ... anyway that's my 2c. –Davey2010^Talk 00:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Oppose Per A. Savin and the number of voters who have not apparently ever noticed an RfA before, one wonders how they heard of it? I have personally never had any dealings with the candidate, pro or con. Nothwithstanding, I'm super glad he volunteers at OTRS, but I don't see the depth and width of experience in areas of Commons which require administrators. The mop is not handed to people to "make OTRS easier," but to contribute administratively to the entire project. For the record, I also dislike "cute" signature tags which make it harder for newer users to understand which button to push to reply. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose - I am sorry, I can't support you at this time. I am not convince that you have enough experience to use the tool. Wikicology (talk) 22:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Comments

•  Question @Raboe001: What have you learned about copyrights on packaging in the last two years?   — Jeff G. ツ 14:59, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, thank you for your question, I have learned that the copyrights on packaging is not so easy and therefore such pictures should not be uploaded, if the copyrights is not clarified. -- Ra Boe watt?? 07:41, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• since I am aware that my written English is not so good, of course I try to work with circumspection and of course that takes longer. Therefore, it is easier and faster for me to ask a german admin if I see a problem. I see my work in the OTRS Team as the beginning of my admissions and not exclusively. -- Ra Boe watt?? 11:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

   Question regarding "it is easier and faster for me to ask a german admin": Can you give some details, e.g. how many such request are there, and how many of them are granted? Can you give examples? Can you elaborate the difference between those requests and your OTRS work? --Krd 04:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I refer to my requests on the page Undeletion requests, it was for me unkompizierter in German to ask for the restoration, as the right words in English to write. That may have been a mistake, I just wanted to quickly answer the many inquiries. There are a lot of requests in OTRS, the first to be reported when the picture is deleted, I can not answer these requests without help. I have to leave this request. There are always cases where between the answers over 30 days pass and so in the process the pictures are deleted. I see this work as an introduction to work as an admin, will grow from my experience and the help of experienced friends. -- Ra Boe watt?? 07:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Question Regarding this filemove, do you think the filename is part of the attribution? I am asking because you failed to use the log summary. What do you know about our guideline regarding the ownership of filepages? Thanks in advice. --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:21, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

It is a relief for me to find the pictures faster. In this case, photos were taken from the same machine in the same project. -- Ra Boe watt?? 07:29, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@Raboe001: Unfortunately, You didn't answered my question. --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:53, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

With this change, the file is back to my normal naming scheme. The renaming corresponds to criterion no. 1. I realize that the filename is part of the attribution, but I am concerned with the recoverability of the files uploaded by me. I am happy when my pictures are better described or named. -- Ra Boe watt?? 19:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Comment. Just a side note. A while ago Isuggested to give OTRS members the ability view deleted files. One of the most opposing rational was the OTRS user can request adminship on Commons, which likely will help the community in many more places, and is the easiest solution. So I believe that in that case we might be benefit good candidate be more helpful in admin tasks. -- Geagea (talk) 21:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

  True. And I propose, Raboe would be such a User. Marcus Cyron (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Question Is this image eligible for deletion? If yes, why? if no, why? Wikicology (talk) 20:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

This picture shows an artist with his work, he agrees with the photo because he looks in the camera. The question is whether he has agreed to the free license. Emmanuel Etolo Eyah has too be asked. But we have to delete otherwise. -- Ra Boe watt?? 18:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

•  Question An advertising photographer sets up a photo shoot for a toy company. Her photographs feature a young boy in t-shirt and jeans playing with toys in a park. He is artfully arranged in front of a sculpture of a dog, which is temporarily on display in the park. But when the photos are published, both the photographer and the toy company who used her photos in their advertising find themselves facing accusations of copyright infringement. Where did they go wrong? Wikicology (talk) 20:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I assume that there is a consent for the child. I continue to assume that no pictures are on the shirt (so no copyright problems). The actual problem is the sculpture, since it is only temporary, even if there is freedom of panorama in this country, there must be an approval from the artist if the sculpture is not old enough for the public domain. -- Ra Boe watt?? 19:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Überall hört man, daß mehr Admins auf Commons gebraucht werden. Kommt nun jemand und will einen kleinen Bereich der Arbeit übernehmen (siehe auch Archiv von https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schpr%C3%BCfung), dann kommt man hier mit Allgemeinplätzen. Nicht jeder Admin bearbeitet alle Bereiche. Und wenn einer keine Lust auf Löschanträge hat, dann läßt er es eben. Die Wiederherstellung gelöschter Bilder nach Freigabe ist auch eine Aufgabe der hiesigen Admins. Mir wurde mal bei meiner Kandidatur gesagt, Commons-Admins brauchen keine Ahnung von Urheberrechten haben. Was wird denn eigentlich gesucht? Admin ist kein Ehrentitel sondern ein Hausmeisterjob und bedeutet Mehrarbeit. Und ich erlaube mir, hier auf Deutsch zu schreiben, denn Commons ist kein englisches Projekt, die meisten hier haben Deutsch als Muttersprache oder können es gut und mein Englisch ist mieserabel, ich würde nur wieder mal (wie schon oft) durch ungeschickte Formulierungen was schreiben, was mißverstanden wird. --Ralf Roleček 18:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ralf Roletschek: Ich muss dich dahingehend korrigieren, das Commons aktive sowie mit den Richtlinen vertraute Admins benötigt. Ich bezweifle ob Raboe001 zum gegenwärtigen Zeitpunkt für die Funtion geeignet ist da eine grundlegende Erfahrung im Adminbereich nicht vorhanden ist und auch kommunikationstechnisch nicht immer alles ganz mellow ist. --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Natürlich habe ich noch keine "grundlegende Erfahrung im Adminbereich" die ich ja gerade versuche zu bekommen und ja ich versuche ruhiger zu bleiben und ich gehe normalerweise immer von guten Absichten aus. :) Mir ist klar, das ich erst am Anfang bin und Erfahrungen sammeln muss. -- Ra Boe watt?? 19:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)