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Colin Rhodes

Lieber @Schlurcher hättest Du Lust und Muse dich einem Artikel zu widmen der eigentlich in die englische WP gehört und nun in de WP entstanden ist. Nämlich Colin Rhodes Mein englisch ist zu schwach dafür. Ich wäre sehr dankbar. Beste Grüße und danken nochmals für das Behalten zu meinem Bild 26-2024 in der Löschdik.--Armin Pangerl (talk) 19:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

@Armin Pangerl: : Leider kann ich dabei nicht weiterhelfen. Ich betreue hauptsächlich meinen Bot (User:SchlurcherBot) und investiere dort meine (Frei-)Zeit. Best Grüße, Schlurcher (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Vielen Dank @Schlurcher Beste Grüße --Armin Pangerl (talk) 08:21, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

requirements for djvu and pdf

Hi! We worked together a while ago with the scans that are kept her, changing inception for publication date, etc.

You had me start to use P:6243 (digital representation) in the files SDC.

Since then, I have been keeping up with the requirements for these files via (!) warnings. I started to get a warning if I used P:6243 and did not have digital media (Q1076968) with P31 (instance of).

Now I am being harranged for doing such by a couple of the sourcers.

Do you know anything of this warning and how I can silence these people (who I am sometimes fond of except for the constant harranging...)

Thank you--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

@RaboKarbakian: Thanks for reaching out and sorry to hear that people keep harranging you. Unfortunately, I'm not completely following what the issue is and how I might be able to help. That you add digital representation of (P6243) to files is great. You seem to get warnings then? Could you link an example, or a screenshot on these warnings? Please provide a bit more detail. Thank you --Schlurcher (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry about being obtuse. Some while back, I started to get a warning (the (!) flag that more or different information was needed) that required the associated wikidata to have the instance of (P31) digital media (Q1076968). The warning was here; within the structured data section. Adding that to the data silenced the warning here so I just started to add it.

That warning has disappeared now. It was my hope that you would know of it or know of how to find where the warning was applied and by whom so I could take this business where it belongs.

My assumption is that these conditionals are applied at the same place and a person with access to this location could find out in the version history who and when it was applied and then removed. That is the reason I am here as you are the only person I know here who is working with this stuff.

I don't care one way or another about the warning or the information it required. I think that it might be part of a bigger problem that might show up again where the Book Project (or other projects) people at wikidata see the data as more general information and the commons people see the data as being about the file that is here.

<otherstuff>When we were discussing using publication date instead of inception and what your bot should and should not do when the Book template is present, you mentioned that there had been a meeting about the SDC stuff that was not attended by these sourcerers who are so very involved in my activities now. We worked through the Book template stuff about a year after that meeting. My memories of this are all in all very positive.

Also, I appreciate your bot handling the MIME stuff in particular in the SDC. Bots should handle picky PITA things. Like MIME.

That wikidata is full of escalation bots on talk pages is also a problem; I am not sure how this is good for the wikis. There is one there that I have (at least this is my take on it, not knowing or seeing the software involved) "escalated ignoring and distancing" and probably I need to do that now with this one. It is a pity; I learned quite a lot from both of these people.

I don't like that the escalation bots change the data though.</otherstuff>

Thanks for your time with this.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 11:07, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I think I understand now a bit more. So we discuss the exclamation mark (!) in the SDC tab from files like this one: File:Stirner - L’Unique et sa propriété.djvu. Generally, these "issues" originate form the setup on Wikidata (more below), but some of these "issues" are also tracked on Commons. For example, Category:Artworks with digital representation of missing same depicts tracks all digital representation of (P6243) that do not have the same depicts (P180), like the file marked above (File:Stirner - L’Unique et sa propriété.djvu). So this category tracks exactly, why this exclamation mark is there. The good news is that I just ~2 weeks ago updated my bot to clean up this category. I've not yet started that task, as I currently do some maintenance of the script. But soon you can expect that category be empty and all these issues resolved. Basically add the corresponding depicts (P180) to all files. That's what I'll be doing. There are also a couple of other tracking categories that I will have a further look into. However not all exclamation marks are actively tracked on Commons.

So where do these come from? They orginate from Wikidata especially from property constraint (P2302). And if you look in Wikidata, then digital representation of (P6243) has quite some of them. For example: item-requires-statement constraint (Q21503247) → depicts (P180). This basically means that each file with digital representation of (P6243) should also have a depicts (P180). So exactly as above. If any of them is triggered then, the exclamation mark (!) appears. So to resolve these incorrect flaggings you should have a look there, and/or correct it on Wikidata.

Wildly guessing, it may have been this edit [1] that resolved some of your issues. Prior to this edit, adding digital representation of (P6243) to a book might have triggered an issue, as it expected to receive digital medias. After this edit, also individual copy of a book (Q53731850), i.e. a book is allowed and will not trigger an issue any more.

Hope this helps a bit. If you have other examples of these "issues" please post them here and I can have a detailed look. --Schlurcher (talk) 22:22, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

@RaboKarbakian: Adding ping. --Schlurcher (talk) 22:23, 29 January 2025 (UTC)