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Wikidata weekly summary #235

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2016-11-12.

  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • A new Wikidata PageRank dataset has been published. The dataset was computed in August 2016 and provides PageRank scores for 10,364,840 Wikidata entities.
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  • Development
    • More work on federation (phabricator:T76007)
    • Worked on first basic version of Lexeme entity type for Wiktionary support (phabricator:T148139)
    • Test system for automated language links for Wiktionary (phabricator:T987)
    • Analysed feedback prototype for editing on Wikipedia in order to refine it
    • Worked on mapping Commons workflows and needs
    • Analysed queries used with Listeria
    • More work on making ArticlePlaceholder pages indexeable by search engines (phabricator:T117693)
    • More work on enabling translations from existing articles in other languages on ArticlePlaceholder pages (phabricator:T124036)
    • Link to local articles in ArticlePlaceholders (phabricator:T113955)
    • Fix for bug that prevented editing (phabricator:T150401)
    • Experimented with improvements for property suggestions (phabricator:T132839)

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File:KarikatuurvanMercier.gif

Hi Revent! If my assumption is wrong, consider it made anonymously. B) I find it pretty astonishing how many different views one small image can gather. Hope it won't end up in a big bar fight. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

@Hedwig in Washington: Yeah, I was not 'voting'... I don't think we have real evidence, and so it comes down to a matter of 'significant doubt', in terms of how much we want to allow for 'possible lifetime' in unknown cases. I just think it helps if people are clear about the terminology, because there is way to much 'it's unattributed, so it must be anonymous' Reventtalk 00:31, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
It's a bit like it's on the web, therefore it is free and/or mine now. I am not sure how to establish a rule for this, probably better to look at it on a case to case basis. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
@Hedwig in Washington: (nods) It's a matter of how good the evidence for actual 'anonymity' is, and how likely that the work was attributed later. When it actually is just 'unknown', I tend to think it's fair to estimate a 70 year lifetime (since laws point in that direction) and a 20 year old author... i.e., the pma term for an unknown author starts 50 years after creation. That happens to fit US law (a 120 year term for unpublished works of unknown authorship) pretty well... unfortunately, in this specific case, it also points at 'delete' (though obviously not as 'no source', lol). Reventtalk 00:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
To be clear, I mean 'unknown' would point at delete.... I dislike that we have no idea of the manner of original publication, here. Reventtalk 00:50, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I got your point. I estimate a little differently. I assume 15 year old photographer and 80 years of lifetime. Unlikely that a 15 year old had access to photo equipment 50 years (and back from there) ago. Just making the holes in my net a little smaller. Either way, it's nothing else than dusting off the good ol' crystal ball. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
@Hedwig in Washington: Yeah, all such cases come down, really, to a matter of 'significant doubt'... how many decades of a 'margin of error' do you consider reasonable. We should err on the side of 'copyrighted', ofc, it's just how much room we think it's reasonable to give.... people have lived over 120 years, after all. :P Reventtalk 01:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes, That would mean 240 years ± a few from today backwards would be save for unpublished works. That wouldn't even cover the French Revolution. no A little bit too far on the safe side if you ask me.--Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 01:09, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Right, but rather drives in the point that such cases are a judgement call, I think. Reventtalk 01:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Help requested

Hi Revent, could you have a look at this page to see if you can help to resolve a few files with unknown copyright situation? Jcb (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jcb: Looking. Reventtalk 16:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Stalker comment. I couldn't edit your temp page but if you look at [1] there is a color image that is close to and probably better than the one listed. Reguyla (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
@Reguyla: The specific one is http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/view.php?id=219 but yes there are better images. Reventtalk 16:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Mr Patriotic

Cross wiki file dump by POV pusher Mr Patriotic (blocked on EN:WP and Simple:WP)

Is he the same as User:Shaan Lollywood as in: Commons:Deletion requests/Files created by Shaan Lollywood? If so, could he be globaly locked as Cross Wiki vandal? Thanks! (Please Ping me when you reply) Thank you, Rodejong (talk) 03:01, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

By the way... Se these uploads Rodejong (talk) 03:03, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
@Rodejong: I don't think that's the same person... Shaan Lollywood was not specifically 'Muslim' or 'Pakistani' stuff, and didn't seem POV really, but was instead using copyrighted fictional 'alternative history' flags for trolling in regards to long-defunct separatist movements from all over the place.... there was even a fake flag for an 'Republic of Alaska' in there. Reventtalk 03:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Ah, okay. thanks Rodejong (talk) 03:12, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #236

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Unit conversion has been rolled out for the first dimension for a short while now.
    • Undo diffs now utilize language fallbacks for property and item labels (gerrit:315291). Thanks to Matěj Suchánek!
    • Reworked database schema for Cognate (the extension that will do automatic interwiki links for Wiktionary). It is still waiting for security review before it can be deployed.
    • Worked more on basic version of Lexeme entity type
    • Fixed a bug where the links on action=info where wrong (phabricator:T149598)
    • Getting close to finishing the groundwork for Federation so that in the future you'll be able to use Wikidata's items and properties to describe files on Commons.
    • Added Innu-aimun as a language for monolingual text values (phabricator:T151129)
    • Worked on linking to Wikipedia articles in the statements on an ArticlePlaceholder (phabricator:T113955)
    • ArticlePlaceholder got a button to translate articles via the ContentTranslation extension (phabricator:T124036)
    • Prepared a bot to fix quantity values after the recent changes to precisions (phabricator:T142087)
    • Did user interviews for use cases and workflows on Commons
    • Analyzed more Listeria queries in order to figure out steps forward for easier query writing

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Generosity Crowdfunding Campaign for User:The Photographer

Please excuse me spamming you, which concerns Generosity Crowdfunding Campaign. My contributions cover the architecture and culture of Brazil and Venezuela. I has basic photographic equipment: an old D300 camera and 35mm lens, and it is very expensive for me to acquire this equipment. I has recently taken several images using the technique where multiple frames are stitched together to create a high-resolution panorama. However, many times frustrated with the stitching errors that result from trying to take such photos without a proper panoramic head for his tripod. This special equipment permits the camera to be rotated around the entrance pupil of the lens, and eliminates such errors. Having a panoramic head would greatly increase the potential for The Photographer to create sharp high-resolution images for Commons. In addition, the purchase of a camera with a fisheye lens would enable 180 × 360° panoramas to be taken, which are a great way to explore a scene as though one is really there.

Please see the discussion about the Crowd-funding campaign on User talk:The Photographer#Generosity Crowdfunding Campaign and visit the Generosity Crowd-funding Campaign page to consider donating. Even a modest donation will make a difference if many people contribute. Thanks. --The Photographer 13:59, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

2FA

Hello Revent, just out of curiosity, what is the " two-factor authorization"? -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 11:17, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat: Two-factor authentication, similar to when a site like Yahoo mail sends you a login code by text message, except you use software on some 'device' like a cell, tablet, or computer to generate the code locally. See meta:Help:Two-factor authentication. Reventtalk 17:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #237

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Adding new wikis to interwiki sort order and move sort orders to WMF config. phab:T111023

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The World Tomorrow (radio and television)

Revent,

This file IS not a duplicate, as you stated. The original was deleted, also. It was titled The World Tomorrow.jpg. The one you deleted, without discussion, was properly titled to correspond with its Wikipedia article title, TheWorldTomorrow(radio and television).jpg

This file was uploaded correctly with the exact parameters set forth by super editor user Barek at the corresponding article talk page. The World Tomorrow (radio and television)

We have used many other upload options both at Commons and at Wikipedia, to upload and insert a show title card for this long running half hour program - for over 4 years. Yet, each time a photo is uploaded, some user immediately finds a reason to remove it or mark it for speedy deletion. Even when the same parameters are duplicated that have been used for any other half hour sitcom show title card and any given Wikipedia show article. This is the only show title card being rejected. Wikipedia is running out of excuses not to include a title card for this program at it's corresponding article. The fact is, Wikipedia has no excuse for denying a title card upload at this article. Period. ----dollyparton7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dollyparton7 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 01 December 2016 (UTC)

@Dollyparton7: The files File:THE WORLD TOMORROW.jpg and File:The World Tomorrow (radio and television).jpg were exact duplicates.. regardless of the filename or content of the file page, they were exactly the same file, with an identical SHA1 hash. Per COM:CSD, criterion F8, 'an exact or scaled-down duplicate of an older existing file' is a target for speedy deletion... discussion is not required, as such deletions are the subject of a long-standing consensus of the community as a whole. Reventtalk 21:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, now there is another file of the proper name to correspond to its Wikipedia article of the same name, The World Tomorrow (radio and television). Wikipedia permissions will be copied this content and all objecting editors who may attempt to mark this one for deletion, for investigation. If you are truly unbiased, prove it. Insert the uploaded photo into the article using the same parameters used at any other sitcom or half hour show article on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dollyparton7 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 01 December 2016 (UTC)

@Dollyparton7: Not to be rude, but I have no need to 'prove' I am unbiased here... I took no action in this case other than to speedily delete a duplicate in direct accordance with Commons policies (and then to mistakenly delete your new upload, but I put it back), and I have not actively edited Wikipedia for years. Your ongoing arguments with other people, on Wikipedia, are not my concern, and I have no desire to get involved... my only desire here is to enforce Commons policies, on Commons, and we do not allow duplicate uploads of the same image. I see no reason that you cannot add your new upload to the article, as it is not the same image, but I have little or nothing to do with most arguments on the English Wikipedia... I personally find it a frustrating place. Reventtalk 21:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I understand you points, and I agree. Thank you very much. Since you are a more established user, could you assist with inserting the upload to the article? I would do it, but the article has a permanent protection template. Only super editors, or long established editors can insert or make changes to the article. Thanks again. ----dollyparton7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dollyparton7 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 01 December 2016 (UTC)
@Dollyparton7: You should, really, make an edit request on the talk page of the article. Reventtalk 21:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Oversight access

Dear Revent. I closed your request as successful, please continue and fulfill the remaining requirement, i.e. identification to the WMF and signing of the confidentiality agreement. Thank you. --Krd 10:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Obviously already done. Congrats! --Krd 10:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
@Krd: Thanks, I was actually doublechecking if I'd missed something. :) Reventtalk 10:31, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Congrats with the new buttons and good luck! Trijnsteltalk 13:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Complaint

I have asked User:Nick to review. I don't want to make a big fuss about it but you are very wrong, and abusing your admin role. Please restore my comments and let it be. -- Colin (talk) 14:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#User:Revent misusing the Close-discussion template

Ping. -- Colin (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Yet another test on CSD F9

Since you linked to File:Briefmarke_LindauerHuette_6S.jpg, I went ahead and wrote a quick-and-dirty script trying to extract whatever data was originally in the file in an alternative way, and it turned out to be smaller. Do you have any idea what caused jpegtran to return a larger file than my extraction? --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 19:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@Zhuyifei1999: Oh, hai, I replied 'over there'. Yeah, I don't really know why, unfortunately. Reventtalk 04:35, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

2FA

Oh ok, thanks for the explanation. Actually is a common thing but I didn't know that its name was that. That apart, I wish to propose that on every Meta project any user that has privileges from sysop upwards should be identifiable for several reasons (dealing with copyright violation, deletion of sensitive material, and so on). Before formally submitting such proposal I am investigating whether it has a sufficient amount of minimum consensus. What do you think about such proposal? -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 13:45, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat: There is already the "Mark Admins" gadget... you mean just turn it on by default? I think some people would object to it supposedly enhancing our 'authority'. (sigh) Reventtalk 02:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it would change our 'authority' in a way or another actually. I guess it would help to have a class of flagged user more reliable. -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 14:36, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

"pathological dishonesty"

I suffer from mental illness myself, so my use of the above term wasn't meant as an accusation of mental illness. But I understand that it could be seen as such, and so I assure you that I won't make such statements again or use such terms. My apologies. lNeverCry 19:31, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I see INC has reverted your edit also, yet you do not feel the need to cowardly threaten him in an already-closed discussion in order to have the final say. As INC says, you deliberately misunderstanding is not what he or I meant by the term, nor is it what any good dictionary describes the term. You seem to think a quick Google is a suitable substitute for a proper dictionary plus an ounce of AGF. It is quite obvious that Fae can abuse me with criminal allegations of stalking and harassment and call me a creep and all you do is make sarcastic comments. INC made remarks that you threaten to block me for, and it is only after I expose your hypocrisy in public that you feel required to make any complaint about INC. You see no evil when it suits you and only see evil when it suits you. Excluding Fae, you are by a long stretch the most constant source of gratuitous criticism of me on Commons. Even today, when you had to agree with me about INC's unblock of Livio, you could not stomach doing so without also making a criticism of me at the same time. And yet the criticism you make is exactly the flaw in your own comments against me: that you make negative comment on someone's motive. You have a conscience, Revent, and you are not stupid, but you are blinkered and biased, and fail to see your flaws when pointed out. The thing I respect most about INC is his willingness to self-reflect and to admit his mistakes. You could learn something there. Do not threaten me again. Stay away from me. You are very involved and and most certainly not neutral. Should you feel I deserve a block, you are welcome to add your vote at any community discussion initiated by someone else, which should always be required before blocking a long term user. As an admin, you are not a god, nor are you a bully. Today, you were a bully. -- Colin (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

He did not revert my edit, he archived it (and replied here). I didn't say anything to him originally because I was actually on vacation that week, didn't get home from the airport until about 4AM the next day, and only skimmed the thread a couple of days later because it had clearly already been discussed to death and I had no intent of joining it. It's also been pointed out to me, privately, that INC had already apologized.
I'm sorry you think I was being a bully, but I disagree. You've opened a complaint, now, so we can see if the community agrees. If they do, I will apologize, and if there is a consensus that me warning you was wrong, I will retract it. Otherwise, if I see you attribute another users behavior to 'pathological dishonesty', which is a form of personal attack regardless of what dictionary you look at (see en:Pathological lying) I will block you for it. Reventtalk 03:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
The community isn't the slightest bit interested in discussing your interpretation of "pathological dishonesty". This is an image repository for crying out loud. That isn't what I complained about to them, but about your abuse of the close template and edit warring to prevent response. You do realise that most of WP articles on psychology topics are written by know-nothing students taking 101 classes and adding random sentences to get homework? It's pretty lame to be using that to defend you medicalising an everyday phrase. Your excuses for not warning INC change every time you make them, which is telling. You are a class act at rationalising your misdeeds. -- Colin (talk) 09:11, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #238

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Special:EntityUsage and Special:PagesWithBadges now are using OOjs UI (phab:T152046)
    • RFC discussion on ways to allow visitors to choose a language without logging in (phab:T149419 and phab:T114662)
    • Investigating performance issues with change dispatching (phab:T151681)
    • Continued work on Lexeme prototype (phab:T146662), refining the Lexeme data model (phab:T151582)
    • Continued work on federation basics (phab:T149580)
    • Some discussion on tracking usage of statements or statement groups on clients (phab:T151717, see mailing list)
    • Investigating support for Linked Data Fragments (phab:T136358)
    • We're participating in this year's Google Code-In with a couple of Wikidata related tasks
    • Research for Wikidata for Commons and Wiktionary continues
    • Added olo (Livvinkarjala), mai and tcy to interwiki sorting order. (phab:T151449)

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File:Briefmarke LindauerHuette 6S.jpg

File:Briefmarke LindauerHuette 6S.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!
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Storkk (talk) 12:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

File:Flag of East Germany.svg

I fixed to validate and reduce size File:Flag of East Germany Fixed.svg and check validation test at https://validator.w3.org/. This file passed to the validation. --Tcfc2349 (talk) 15:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #239

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

It is with great sadness that we share the news of the passing of User:Coyau. He was a very active editor on Wikidata and the other Wikimedia projects. He will be deeply missed by his friends and family but his great work on open culture will stay. Feel free to browse and share his work. Thanks Guillaume for this message.


  • Events/Press/Blogs
    • Past: Open Gov Partnership conference in Paris, where Ash_Crow and other editors presented Wikidata
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Development
    • Continued work on Lexeme prototype (phab:T146662), we're discussing some details in the data model (phab:T152019)
    • Continued work on federation basics (phab:T149580)
    • Rework translation/article creation UI (phab:T151858)
    • Creating OOUI mockups as preparation for the dev summit
    • Finishing touches on the extension for automatic generation of inter-wiktionary links (preparatory work for lexicographic data in Wikidata)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.

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