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Although I'm sure it was not meant to (intent and tone are difficult to convey and to perceive across the wires), and regardless of how wrongheaded their new request was, the text of your {{O}} comes off as rather mean-spirited. (Specifically, doubling the time required using language that makes it sound like that's a new requirement for them (rather than the length of time you will require before you support), and also picking on a typo in the discussion - they happen, and it wasn't in a rename... picking on it as a reason to oppose seems a bit petty). Storkk (talk) 07:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@Storkk: Sorry, I was echoing the frustrations of the three opposes above mine. The applicant does not seem to take direction well. I reformulated that post.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 11:25, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. And I understand why, too. We all come across as more brusque than we intend at times. Cheers, Storkk (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
@Storkk: You're welcome.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 11:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Undeletion requests

hi jeff, listen to why you keep asking for help to the administrators, I'm not doing blocking evasion, I have the right to ask for the release, I also sent the question of unlocking a3cb1, because then it is always you who do not want to know ?????--95.245.76.135 21:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

South African College Schools

Hi jeffG.

I don't know if it goes back to 1829. My question is just is it not a violation of copyright. I understood that these motto's have copyright. Just asking?

User:Barry Ne —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:53, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Barry Ne: If the design goes back that far, the copyright expired already.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 19:57, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Firstac5

This seems a bit like a grey area. The user uploaded a bunch of photos, linking to http://www.survivetravel.com/, his Amazon referral blog. (you go there, click some Amazon link, buy the product from a seller that doesn't have to be him, he earns a referral fee)

He claims to be the copyright owner. (he could well be) Technically his blog is the source, but if we link that on every single image page that'll be sure to boost his Google ranking. It doesn't feel the same as providing a link to the website of a commercial photographer. I told him we'd be happy to have his photos, without the links. Was I right to say that? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 23:49, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: Sure.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 00:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, - Alexis Jazz ping plz 19:35, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

UserMessages

Hi, I use Help:Gadget-UserMessages. But aren't parameters 2 and 3 of {{Copyvionote}} optional? --Jaqen (talk) 11:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jaqen: Yes, but I beg you to please use one of them to give us non-Admins a chance at identifying patterns of users, source webpages, and our own previous uploads, and consequently helping other uploaders and ourselves to learn from their and our mistakes. The frustration of not being able to answer "What was it a copyvio of?" and "Whose copyright?" at COM:HD and COM:UDR is immense. Of course, such info in deletion logs is also very helpful.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 11:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

File:Logo_Instituto_de_Educación_Superior_Olga_Cossettini_2018.jpg

Hi Jeff Thanks for reviewing the contributions. I understand what you say about the logo being used on Facebook. It is also used in http://www.iesoc.edu.ar/. I am a teacher at the institution and I would like to use the logo, which has identified the institution for over 20 years, for a Wikipedia entry. Who should license it? Anyone with an institutional email? Thanks in advance --Marielamez (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Marielamez: It should be the email address of someone responsible at iesoc.edu.ar, perhaps a President, CEO, COO, CFO, Vice President, Head of School, Dean, or Legal Office.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 18:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

You could have just sent me the link to the related DR where it was pointed out the license doesn't cover this case. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 15:14, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Nard the Bard: What license? You didn't specify one.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 15:20, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh. I just saw the previous editor removed the license. Off to their page to tell them that's not cool. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 15:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
It must be deleted per this. I asked the deleting admin. Jee 15:37, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nard the Bard: Sorry, I saw no license. The license you used, {{PD-GermanGov}}, does not cover photos. Have you used that license for photos before?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 15:40, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Category:Christopher D'Alton

Hi, Jeff, I was wondering if you would add the Category in one go? I asked Commons:Bots/Work requests, but that was obviously not the correct way. Thanks. Lotje (talk) 08:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Lotje: I would have, but it seems you finished already. Sorry for the delay.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 02:14, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
No worry Jeff, I know you a re a very busy person so I did it manually. Lotje (talk) 04:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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E4024 (talk) 09:02, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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E4024 (talk) 13:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Auteursrechtenschendingen

Dear jeff, It is not my intention to violate author rights, but sometimes I make a mistake or I forgot to copy the right picture site. I always repair my mistakes. These are very few if you take in mind that I upload many hundreds of images every month. I am a member from the very beginning of wikipedia, 1 apr 2004. So I hope that you can forgive me when I make so now and than a mistake. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Rasbak Rasbak (talk) 08:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Rasbak: Sorry, I wasn't aware you were expecting a response. I forgive you.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Neice versus Niece

Hi, Jeff, I was wondering if neice should be replaced by niece because that is clearly a typo. Also, woould you do that in one go? thank you for your time. Template:Smiely Lotje (talk) 08:06, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Only me again, not te files related to Louis MacNeice --> Category:Louis MacNeice. Maybe it should be done manually? Lotje (talk) 08:25, 14 June 2018 (UTC)]
@Lotje: I can't change the filenames in one go, sorry.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 08:30, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Okay, that's fine, then I do it manually. But do you think it is a good decision to correct the spelling? Lotje (talk) 08:35, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
@Lotje: Yes, in most cases.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 08:41, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll continue correcting. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 08:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
@Lotje: Ok, I did what I could with AWB.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 09:03, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

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E4024 (talk) 08:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

File:William Bilsland.jpg

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Rollerhurst (talk) 09:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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E4024 (talk) 12:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Re: Flags of Darfur and Lebanon

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for notifying me about your flagging of the flags of Darfur and Lebanon as missing source information.

Although I am not the original creator of either, and both have since undergone revisions since mine, I'll just point out that in the upload history sections of each, you can see that source information was originally provided: Flag of Darfur.svg was originally tagged with Template:PD-self by User:Walden69, indicating it was his own work, while Flag of Lebanon.svg was originally attributed by User:Nightstallion to Openclipart. I don't know when or why the source information was removed from either, but it was evidently there to begin with, and it seems rather silly to e to be threatening deletion of files which have been used on literally tens of thousands of pages for over a decade simply because of what amounts to a clerical error.

Best regards,

Mnmazur (talk) 08:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the inconvenience. I flagged those flag images because Green Giant had copied them from Category:Images without source to Category:Images of flags without source. They were in Category:Images without source because the source field in their Information templates was not filled in when those information templates were added. All actions were mistakes, I am sorry for mine.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 06:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

File:Joseph_Schuster_(composer).jpg

Hi, you left a mark saying that I did not provide sufficient info to that higher-res. version of the portrait for German baroque composer Joseph Schuster. Obviously the sketch is from some 19th-century, maybe earlier, journals for the educated classes, maybe from some musicological annual of that time. Yet this is something I only guess and cannot say for sure. In any case, there is 1) the names of the artists who created it in the engraving itself (see beneath the oval) - painting by v. Vieth of 1796, engraving by Pettschich in 1811, and 2) the link to the original source, the graphic collection of the university library of Frankfurt University, should be sufficient, should it not?--2A00:C1A0:4A00:2800:DCD8:5CA2:E6F1:E2D8 09:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the inconvenience.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 06:03, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hello,

Last month I asked for help regarding the sending of an email to a Flickr user about a change of licence to a photo for use in the Wikipedia article w:Graham Potter. Unfortunately, it seems the Flickr user did not agree to change the licence. Since you were kind enough to help me last time, could you send an email to this Flickr user regarding the licence change of this image (https://www.flickr.com/photos/7788682@N06/26924348538/in/photolist-H2djMQ-CMCvRv) instead? It is the only other suitable Flickr image of the subject I can find; I still think the aforementioned Wikipedia article would benefit from an image in the infobox. Thank you and kind regards Doogooder (talk) 19:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Doogooder: I sent him a Flickrmail message.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 00:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@Jeff G.: Thanks very much. Hopefully we'll have more success with this Flickr user instead. Doogooder (talk) 06:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@Doogooder: You're welcome.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 06:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Category:Media without a source as of 19 June 2018

Hi, before tagging files as 'no source' please see if the problem cannot be fixed. E.g. last September I spent a lot of time to fix sources for a large number of Indonesian CoA's (files beginning with 'Lambang'), which I found in Category:Images without source. For e.g. File:Lambang Kabupaten Subang.jpeg you could have simple removed the redundant maintenance category instead of tagging the file for deletion. On the other hand, you tagged a lot of files that are ineligible for copyright, e.g. File:Flag of Varese.jpg. In such cases you can simply add {unknown|source} to the source field instead of tagging for deletion. Jcb (talk) 15:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jcb: Sorry about that. I will go through them.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 15:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Jcb (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@Jcb: You're welcome. I did some, more after work.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@Jcb: I went through all of the files in Category:Coats of arms of cities of Indonesia needing source. The only one I couldn't find a good source for was File:Logo kabupaten sarolangun.jpg, all the identical ones seem to have been copied from here.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 08:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, you are probably right on this one. I could not track it back to an official government website either. Jcb (talk) 15:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@Jcb: Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 15:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Flyby "no source" tags on documents that are hundreds of years old

Could you please desist from the apparently careless no source tagging of very old documents please? The template encourages unthinking deletion of the images. In some cases these may be lower quality than other versions, but the correct process is to use the duplicate template or raise a deletion request if the case is not clear. Where the images are in use on other projects, as the example below is, a deletion request is always the best way to discuss any potential deletion.

The no source tags you added yesterday to files that have been hosted on this project for ten years are disruptive and waste volunteer time.

  1. File:Desportes - Premières œuvres (éd. 1600) II - Les Amours d'Hippolyte.djvu
  2. File:Desportes - Premières œuvres (éd. 1600) III - Cleonice. Dernières Amours.djvu
  3. File:Desportes - Premières œuvres (éd. 1600) IV - Elegies.djvu
  4. File:Desportes - Premières œuvres (éd. 1600) V - Imitations de L'Arioste.djvu
  5. File:Desportes - Premières œuvres (éd. 1600) VI - Meslanges I.djvu
  6. File:Desportes - Premières œuvres (éd. 1600) I - Diane. Premières Amours.djvu

There are plenty of other backlogs to spend time on that are unlikely to cause any disruption or controversy. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 07:59, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the inconvenience.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 08:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Please take action to remove the inappropriate no source tags from all the clearly PD files you have tagged. In the same batch yesterday was File:Ecrazer-l-infame-1.jpg. I am sure you have the skills needed to find these among your other actions in the last 24 hours. --Fæ (talk) 09:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Fæ: ✓ Done, sorry.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 09:47, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Zimbabwean currency

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Jeff_G.&offset=201806190458&limit=19
Jeff, you must understand what does “mechanical reproduction of currency” mean. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the inconvenience. I flagged those currency images because Ellin Beltz had copied them from Category:Images without source to Category:Images of currency without source. They were in Category:Images without source because the source field in their Information templates was not filled in when those information templates were added. All actions were mistakes, I am sorry for mine.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 08:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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E4024 (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Good luck

Leaving for real life. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@E4024: Thanks.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:59, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced tagging

Why have you tagged File:Flag of Prague Old City.svg and File:Flag of Pribram.svg as needing source info when they are clearly simple geometry making them public domain?--BevinKacon (talk) 23:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@BevinKacon: Sorry, source != license. We still need sources.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 17:03, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

City of Orlando

Thanks for all of your help with the {{PD-FLGov-Orlando}} OTRS ticket! --Elisfkc (talk) 01:16, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: You're welcome!   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 01:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

OTRS recruitment

Commons:Village pump#OTRS recruitment?

Not exactly how I would word it. Obviously when good instructions are provided, LR will be able to deal with this with much less effort than it currently takes OTRS and I suspect webmasters will often be more comfortable with it as they don't have to get familiar with OTRS, wait in line, request undeletion etc. For users it will generally be preferable because the website is public and OTRS is not. If it really reduces the OTRS backlog some OTRS members may even decide to do some license reviewing.

I'm not going to argue over this with Majora though, that's why I'm saying this here. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 19:14, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: Most of the wording is official.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 19:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand. Did you copy it from a policy? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 19:24, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: I copied it from a response we use for customers we are unsure of.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 19:29, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Dylanguk response

Sorry if this is a really awkward way of responding to your comment (i have no idea how wikipedia works), but yeah my dad left me his password but i didn't use his account to grab the image. Just went to his social page and saved the profile picture. Thanks for responding (@dylanguk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylanguk (talk • contribs) 20:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Signing your posts on talk pages is required and it is a Commons guideline to sign your posts on deletion requests, undeletion requests, and noticeboards. To do so, simply add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments. Your user name or IP address (if you are not logged in) and a timestamp will then automatically be added when you save your comment. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion). Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 22:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@Dylanguk: You could use his account to edit or add a comment with the appropriate license to the post containing that image.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 22:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
I keep forgetting to sign it properly, forgive my embarassing wikipedia etiquette. Anyway, i'll see what i can do with licensing the post when i get a chance to log onto his account, but it'll probably be wasted effort due to my wiki page being in the discussion for deletion because of it lacking citations Dylanguk (talk) 00:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
@Dylanguk: Sorry about that.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 01:30, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Αγορά

Un kurabiyesi ve çay

Hi Jeff, this page is wrongly added to Category:Swedish Cyprus Expedition. They must have forgotten to add the ":" that I just used here. I could not find it. Can you? Tyvm. --E4024 (talk) 09:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I just found it; never mind. --E4024 (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
(ec) @E4024: I see, congrats!   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 13:20, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hi. You've got mail. --Mhhossein talk 14:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I have sent my response as to why all the files sited by Wikipedia should not be deleted.

I replied to you I believe.

I answered why I believe that each of the cited files by Wikipedia are in the public domain.

When I have successfully published my article on General Francisco Morales Llerena, all the headaches will be worth it.

Dodvar Antonio Gregersen--Bodvar Antonio Gregersen (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bodvar Antonio Gregersen: Please reply at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Bodvar Antonio Gregersen.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

HOLA

En verdad que soy muy nuevo e ignorante de muchas cosas, soy de Argentina, y me gustaría aprender algunos detalles que vos utilizás por ejemplo en tu firma, y también a traducir los textos si es que hay acá alguna aplicación para eso, Helpme please!!! JA jA, SALUDOS AMIGO. CRISTIÁN —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:57, 28 June 2018‎ (UTC)

Translated: "In truth I am very new and ignorant of many things, I'm from Argentina, and I would like to learn some details that you use for example in your firm, and also to translate the texts if there is any application here for that, help me please!!! Ha ha, greetings friend."
I already gave him some pointers. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 21:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
@Cristian cda: Hola, buenas noches. No explico los detalles de mi organización aquí, estos son privados. Yo uso Google Translate para traducir. Alexis te ha dado buena información en tu página de discusión de usuarios.
Hello, good evening. I do not explain details of my organization here, those are private. I use Google Translate to translate. Alexis has given you good information on your user talk page.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 01:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Sí!!

Esta bien mi hermano, te lo agradesco de todas formas, solo que soy muy amistoso, y cargoso, jeje, ya dije que no tengo acceso a más paginas que las wikis y algunas otras de la UNC ( Universidad Nacional de Cordoba) pero bueno, veo que sos de character rigido... igual un abrazo, gracias. --Cristian cda (talk) 19:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Cristian cda: De nada. ¿Has visto COM:Café? You're welcome. Have you seen COM:Café?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 11:34, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
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