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[edit]Hi Espandero, please stop to reset the coat of arms to an unheraldic representation that does not correspond to the shape and type of the coat of arms used.
Look here:
The version was correct before revert. The agreed and used official representation of the coat of arms counts. 3D effects and shadows are not part of it. -- Gunnar (💬) 19:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
I reverted it because the original file was part of the French coats of arms project and differs in style with the new one. I do not care if it is unheraldic, if you want to upload a different stye then do it with a new file instead of undoing other people's work. Espandero (talk) 19:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Are you following any kind of quotable Wikipedia policy here? If yes, can you provide a source? You're having a bit of a wild reverting spree all over the place undoing people's correction of coats of arms. If it is indeed official policy that errors in files should not be corrected, but uploaded as a new copy then we can of course do that but that'd seem a bit weird because why would Wikipedia allow people to update files if this was the case? --Taktaal (talk) 21:41, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- I asked the french coats of arms project prior to doing it as I'm not part of it myself. My main problem is that every coat of arms that has been modified is part of this projet, which has a specific way of making them. I feel that by replacing them you are not "correcting" them but imposing your view as how the coats of arms should look on Wikipedia. However I do not see the problem in having two different versions on the site, as it is already the case for some:
- I'm sorry if my way of doing it was maybe not as diplomatic as I would have wanted and I hope you understand my point. -- Espandero (talk) 08:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, thank you for uploading the great photos of the Beauregard castle! I took the liberty to propose your category Category:Château de Beauregard (Valais) for deletion. It looks like we had the same idea within minutes ;) --1-Byte (talk) 08:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, yeah I noticed that we had the same idea, but since yours was a little older I decided to go along with it. I wanted to ask to delete mine but wasn't quite sure where to. Thanks! - Espandero (talk) 09:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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[edit]I told Doc Taxton that he is free to overwrite my files as I really don't mind people overwriting my files. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 22:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Espandero, what about OW, if only the tinctures mismatch the locally typically used? Or if there are little stroke or join corrections? – Doc Taxon • Talk • 09:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- OW states that it is ok to correct unintentional mistakes, like I did yesterday for this file (the line on one of the wings had a little issue). For shape and tincture it's a deliberate choice in most cases so I wouldn't overwrite the file. I would say cases that are ok for tincture is when the author indicates a certain palette and uses a color that isn't from the palette, but I would check with the author first. - Espandero (talk) 09:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Je me suis mal exprimé dans ta nomination. En fait il y a plusieurs possibilisées de voir le lac, du sud du nord etc... chaque point de vue est intéressant et peut concourir en VI. Je suggère de ragouter au scope North Exposure ou bien West Exposure... Bonne journée. Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 13:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Archaeodontosaurus ah très bien, j'y avais pas pensé. J'ai précisé l'orientation et la saison dans le scope. Merci et salutations, Espandero (talk) 13:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]In continuing with the discussion about Vaud's palette on ARK's talk page, this is what I wrote in an email to the Vaud government:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Tincture/drawVD
https://www.lexfind.ch/tolv/132364/fr
Utilisez-vous cette palette de couleurs pour les armoiries des communes ?
In the meantime, I will go ahead and discuss the matter in the French Wikipedia's Portail Suisse. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]As you're venturing into the canton of Bern, I would encourage you to take a look at the Wappenbuch des Kantons Bern. Its heraldic artist, Hans Jenni, has a very distinctive style that uses somewhat over-bold contour strokes. Aliman5040's work on the Bernese municipal arms is almost entirely based on Jenni. However, he shoehorned Jenni's arms into the Blason Vide CH 3D.svg template, which doesn't only come with the objectionable "reflet final" layer, it also has an odd aspect ratio that is almost never found in contemporary Swiss heraldry, and certainly not in the Wappenbuch des Kantons Bern. So, when superseding Aliman5040's work, you might want to adjust the shield shape. ARK (talk) 11:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi ARK, thanks I'll correct the ones I've uploaded. Is there a place on Commons where you've written all the shapes, sources, etc. per canton? If not I think that'd be a great help and it would allow for new people to understand why some choices were made. We could also upload files like File:Blason Vide CH 3D.svg (without the colour) to illustrate the page and to make it easier to start new files. By the way I'm slowly making new COAs for Valais (Monthey district for now) and I'm using the Armorial valaisan of 1946 for shapes of meubles and shield (only for the lower part, I don't think the pointy top is necessary). - Espandero (talk) 14:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- If I were to create a resource on how to create Swiss municipal coats of arms for Commons, I'd probably draw everyone's attention to the fact that Switzerland actually has a modern national heraldic style, and I might recommend that everyone should simply stick to it.
- This modern national style was largely created by Paul Boesch, who disseminated it through his work from 1926 to about 1960 for Café HAG's Armorial de la Suisse booklets.
- The graphic designer Werner Luzi was asked to continue working in Boesch's style for the three editions of Louis Mühlemann's popular Armoiries et drapeaux de la Suisse, and Alban Wyss did very much the same for the series of booklets that were published by the Stiftung Schweizer Wappen und Fahnen (SWF) from 1987 to 2017 (legally, Mühlemann at first and the SWF later were the copyright holders of the entire heraldic oeuvre published by Café HAG).
- The history of Aargau's post-WWII municipal heraldry right up to the eventual publication of the Gemeindewappen Kanton Aargau armorial in 2004 might also be described as a succession of heraldic artists working in Boesch's vein.
- Boesch and his followers used a plain "Spanish" escutcheon throughout: see a random example on the SWF website.
- Note that the "Swiss" escutcheon among the Projet Blasons' gabarits is narrower and taller than a typical Boesch-style shield.
- Contrary to the above, one might argue that cantonal diversity ought to be preserved. The place to look for such diversity would be the cantonal armorials that have been produced over the last hundred years or so.
- For instance, Hubert De Vevey's Armorial des communes et des districts du canton de Fribourg (1943) has an endearingly offbeat shield shape as used in this version of the Cottens FR arms. It's far more appealing than the shield shape currently used by the municipality itself, which derives from the Ketty & Alexandre book on Fribourg (1981). Still, the plain Boesch-style version of the arms as published by the SWF might be the most suitable for the encyclopedia.
- What shape to use for the canton of Valais?
- The écu Français (ancien) en pointe seems oddly out of place, and the shield shapes in the Armorial Valaisan (1946) might be a little too renaissance-y.
- The shield shape of the Nouvel Armorial Valaisan (1974) seem a little outlandish at first, but they're more modern, and should probably be recommended if a distinctive cantonal look is desired. This shape is used by the Association valaisanne d'études généalogiques (random example), and Taktaal has uploaded a number of tasteful vectorisations to Commons ( random example). ARK (talk) 08:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. I think I'll go with Boesch-style shield shapes from now on then. I'm not a big fan of the Nouvel Armorial Valaisan style and it would be easier to have a national standard. Boesch feels more neutral and simple. I've seen Taktaal's work and I like the azure he's used, for example here. I think I wouldn't mind using this tincture for the rest of the VS COAs. - Espandero (talk) 11:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- On reflection, your suggestion of using a simplified version of the municipal shield shape in the Armorial Valaisan (1946) might not be a bad idea either. I've tried this with Finhaut. I've also just added the Armorial Valaisan to the list of Swiss armorials. ARK (talk) 09:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. I think I'll go with Boesch-style shield shapes from now on then. I'm not a big fan of the Nouvel Armorial Valaisan style and it would be easier to have a national standard. Boesch feels more neutral and simple. I've seen Taktaal's work and I like the azure he's used, for example here. I think I wouldn't mind using this tincture for the rest of the VS COAs. - Espandero (talk) 11:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- The shield shape of the Nouvel Armorial Valaisan (1974) seem a little outlandish at first, but they're more modern, and should probably be recommended if a distinctive cantonal look is desired. This shape is used by the Association valaisanne d'études généalogiques (random example), and Taktaal has uploaded a number of tasteful vectorisations to Commons ( random example). ARK (talk) 08:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know from where Taktaal derived his palette. Stylistically, it looks like Taktaal continued from where Gerhard Bräunlich had left off. Gerhard originally referenced an official website as the source for his municipal arms of Zürich. I have since added the now-available digitisation of Die Gemeindewappen des Kantons Zürich|] (1977) as a source reference to some of his file descriptions. The original reference of Gerhard's arms is gone and can't be retrieved from the Wayback Machine.
- Sarang takes an interest in formalising the tinctures used in Swiss coats of arms. See for instance his work on the Delta-9's tinctures. Maybe we can get Sarang to take a look at the tinctures of Gerhard Bräunlich and Taktaal. ARK (talk) 09:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- IMHO it is more essential whether Swiss Kantons declare a palette, than tictures that Bräunlich, Taktaal and others are using.
- Delta-9 has declared an own palette for himself (and hundreds of coa), therefore I could not ignore it.
- When definitively no palettes are existing, we can use
CH
for default; - just when Bräunlich/Taktaal are consistently using kind of palette, we should adopt it -- sarang♥사랑 10:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ARK: I just looked a few shields of Bräunlich, for his 'or' tincture. For the six files I checked, he used six different yelllows:
- This can never be the base of a palette -- sarang♥사랑 10:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Sarang: I remember from when I looked at Gerhard Bräunlich's work on the Zürich arms a while ago that the colours weren't entirely consistent. In the above, I was going on the assumption that they may be consistent in the main, and that the inconsistent ones are mere outliers. Further, I assumed that the colours of Bräunlich and Taktaal, which consistently have the same muted feel to them, might be based on the now-lost official source reference given in the Zürich arms. That's a lot of assuming right there, and I should have tested those assumptions a bit before bothering you with them -- sorry about that!
- Regarding the CH palette: I don't think anyone among the arms creators-- not even Doc Taxon -- believes any longer that these tinctures might serve as a Swiss "default." That distinction has now passed on to the AG palette, which since the introduction of the Farbkarte Aargau in 2004 has seen a fair amount of usage as a de facto national standard, most notably, outside of Commons, by the (now defunct) Stiftung Schweizer Fahnen und Wappen. There's some recent talk about this issue on my Discussion page. ARK (talk) 11:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ARK: When tinctures are specified without any palette, the file becomes flagged for maintenance.
- To use the great pot of 'generic' (
GN
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CH
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AG
fits better - but it seems somehow strange to tag coas of e.g. VS to the AG palette -- sarang♥사랑 11:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)- @Sarang: I don't share your sense that palette category on Commons can ever be 'overcrowded'. To me, a palette category containing a large number of arms is simply a sign of the palette's success as a viable palette. The aspect I care about, however, is that the arms under a palatte category should actually be instances of that palette. The practice you propose (and engage in) of adding arms to a palette category despite the fact that they are not tinctured in that palette strikes me as egregiously misguided because it diminishes the usefulness of a category as a source of factually correct information. ARK (talk) 08:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Espandero: In your Valais arms you seem to have decided to go with the Français (ancien) en pointe shield shape, which is of course the default on the French Wikipedia, but strikes me as a very odd choice in Swiss heraldry. You were saying ealier on that you would like to base your shield shape on the escutcheon used for municipal arms in the Armorial valaisan : Walliser Wappenbuch (1946), except for a straight horizontal top rather than a double-arched one. What happened to this idea? I believe a narrower shield would look much more valaisan! ARK (talk) 08:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- I cannot remember where I got the shield shape from but I don't think I got it from File:Blason Vide 3D.svg. I usually start a new COA on another COA file so I haven't paid attention to the shape as I thought this was what we discussed. But you're right, the ones on the Wappenbuch are narrower. I'll correct the files I've made before I continue with others. Thanks.
- By the way, for File:CHE Cheyres-Châbles COA.svg I made it using the shape from the website of the municipality as I couldn't find a stable shield shape. Someone from the municipality tried to modify the article of the municipality saying that the old file was wrong. Since Cheyres-Châbles is a new municipality this is technically the official COA, but if you start making COAs for Fribourg, or if you've decided on a shape, you can overwrite my file to correct the shape if you'd like. - Espandero (talk) 08:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Espandero and Sarang: For écussons en pointe to be mathematically well-formed, their Bézier curves require some advanced algorithmicking. Sarang is offering to create such template files. His template shield for the Vaud arms should be based on the Arrêté 175.12.1 sur les armoiries communales. For the Valais template, we might ask for the municipal shield shape in the Armorial valaisan (1946), but with a straight horizontal top line rather than the dated-looking double-dip line (Note to Sarang: the Armorial Valaisan uses different shield shapes for municipalities vs. families). For a Valais shield, the official Val de Bagnes arms might also be a point of reference (see also current discussion in German).
- For newly-created Swiss municipal arms, the critiques by Hans Rüegg are always worth looking up, such as Gemeindefusion im Kanton Freiburg: Cheyres-Châbles. Rüegg subscribes to the Paul Boesch school of heraldic design, which is effectively the Swiss gold standard in modern heraldry and strongly favours the Iberian escutcheon style with its square top and rounded base. By contrast, Cheyres-Châbles seem to be taking their inspiration from the Deutschschweizer Jasskarten. I'd say let them! There's a fair bit of hybridisation going on now between public heraldry and corporate design, and the current Cheyres-Châbles logo is one of the more innocuous examples of that. ARK (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Olá Espandero,
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Você pode encontrar todas as informações necessárias em nossa página: Unpacking Body Plurality in Sports.
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