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So I guess this is the end? Those guys accused me a sock with a weak foundation of “same interest” and “trust me, I’ve been doing this very long”, then deleted my works based on such. Now having been proven wrong as these works are sourced and my IP is different, they just… disappeared.

Well hopefully, I will be left alone now and if there’s an error in what I uploaded, they will discuss it in good faith and help me like you and many others always have done. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't forgotten about you, I'll give me a more in-depth response later. I'm in Amsterdam this weekend and can't take the time to write an in-depth response. But these types of issues have bothered me for a long time, so I'm quite opinionated on them. Also, I haven't been able to use discussion pages on mobile 📲 properly for 8 (eight) to 9 (nine) months now. Do you also use Advanced mobile mode or just the regular one? Maybe I'm not the only one experiencing this issue. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just regular. I haven’t encountered any issues yet. Enjoy your trip in Amsterdam! — Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Daeva Trạc: , forgot the ping, as I can't "reply from comment" anymore, neither Factotum nor the regular MediaWiki software seems to work anymore. This website is broken for me and it has been broken for a very long time, I should really take the time to file a Phabricator ticket 🎫, for context, Phabricator tickets 🎫 are for filing technical issues or request technical features. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need to lobby to archive more media now.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/twenty-percent-of-hard-drives-used-for-long-term-music-storage-in-the-90s-have-failed (Archive 🏦).

The longer we wait, the less will be salvageable. You can start by writing your senator, I'm going to contact Dutch representatives too. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, one thing I noticed about the English-language Wikipedia is that while the coverage of the Vietnam War, the American side of the conflict, every government programme, social effect, research into the American side of the Vietnam War, Etc. is very well documented, the South Vietnamese side, and even the North Vietnamese sides are barely covered. In fact, unless you're somehow involved in the military almost no South Vietnamese person is covered at all, South Vietnamese pop stars are barely acknowledged, South Vietnamese culture outside of war and the military isn't seem at all, even the Communist culture and pop culture isn't as accurately covered with any detail until the early 2000's. It's very clear that a lot of the people who have been working on Wikipedia since 2001 have been Baby Boomers from the West who think that "Viet-Nam is a war, and not a country". Personally, I'm planning on writing until 1955, so I'm not really planning on doing much in that regard, but this is always a niche you can fill or if you know someone else who is interested in Wikipedia they can also fill it. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 11:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well to be fair, even in Vietnamese schools, I was taught that the Vietnam War is just another war where the Vietnamese people had to stand up against foreign forces. Unless I didn’t pay attention, there was no mention of culture (lifestyle, songs, arts, literature,…) at all, North nor South. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Daeva Trạc, I had to use my wife's laptop to respond, I tried to reply a few days earlier but when I clicked "Publish" the stupid mobile interface deleted my entire comment. Anyhow, my response to the reactions of those people is that they are very emotional and they let their fantasies of revenge against "Musée Annam" (or "C" as he is called at the Vietnamese-language Wikipedia) guide their better judgement, namely, if you were "Musée Annam" then doing this can finally get back at all the time he pissed them off. "Haha, he hurt me, so now I hurt him". Having had the misfortune of having to interact with the stunning intellect (obvious sarcasm) and gentle civilised manners (again, sarcasm) of "Musée Annam" I must say that he has sometimes pissed me off to the point where I would essentially want to behave like this:

And he has had this reaction from many people. Though, to be fair, usually when I see some of his dumber edits (like adding "Category:Annam Digital Library" to pages) I have to laugh uncontrolably. It's been like 3 (three) years and I still sometimes have to chuckle or even LOL when I think about just how absurd the thought process of "Musée Annam" has to be to do stuff like this. Dealing with him is an actual pain in the neck and he has pissed off a lot of people who just want some kind of payback against him, if people believe that you are him then hurting you in their minds is like "hurting him" and the more pissed off you become the more they think the pissed off "Musée Annam" is. This is not rational behaviour. Logically, the fact that you are able to talk for more than 2 (two) minutes without calling everyone around you stupid and throwing away the chessboard like an angry pigeon should obviously give away that you're not him. Many sockmasters are cunning, manipulative, and know how to avoid detection... "Musée Annam" most certainly isn't one of them. I have yet to see him formulate ANY sentence without calling someone stupid, for example he asked the "Great Brightstar" to improve something and in that request kept calling him stupid and ignorant for using HIS OWN (Musée Annam's) files as a source. I genuinely can't see how anyone could mistake you for him, other than sharing some interests your personalities are literally worlds apart, I wouldn't even consider you to be the same species as him (He's a member of the species Homo Nonsapiens Incompetentus), let alone the same person. When you make a mistake you try to learn from it and ask others for help, this guy is here over a decade and REFUSES to learn basic things most people learn within 15 (fifteen) minutes, let alone 15 (fifteen) YEARS.
As for the (pop) culture of Viet-Nam, well, it's largely forgotten on both sides, modern Vietnamese don't care about either North Vietnamese nor South Vietnamese culture because Communists tend to not care about their own culture and they view South Vietnamese culture as "that of treacherous dogs". I saw on YouTube that there was an elderly man who collects and uploads old LP's old South Vietnamese music, there are some people like him, but as they die out, I'm afraid that most of the culture might be forgotten. He lives somewhere in rural southern Viet-Nam and occasionally goes to Tp. HCM to buy new LP's and meet with other collectors, but from what I've seen on Meta's the Facebook and Google's YouTube social media sites this is mostly an elderly men thing and it's even rare among Overseas Vietnamese.
Even old children's songs from North Viet-Nam and the Socialist Republic are barely remembered, most of the younger generations barely even remember songs like Hạt gạo làng ta (1969) by Trần Đăng Khoa, which was one of the most popular songs when I was young. I can't say that this is a uniquely Vietnamese thing either, younger Dutch people are equally oblivious to a lot of Dutch pop culture from the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, Etc. unless they have happened to have seen old re-runs on the television, their parents told them about it, or they care about the history. I think that most non-Americans can probably name more films from the United States of America produced during the 1960's and 1970's than they can anything from their own country. This is globally true, a person from Finland knows the culture of Finland from when they grew up there, plus the United States of America, meanwhile they are very ignorant of Swedish and Russian culture unless they happen to consume media from there. Wikipedia thankfully allows us to document these things, you can learn more about Dutch history by reading Wikipedia than you can by asking any Dutch person, including a Dutch historian. Though I'd say that a lot is still missing and WIkipedia is written by volunteers who simply care about the subjects that they write about. Remember, if you don't write the article about the niche thing you care about it's possible that you won't see it at all.
One thing I actually like is seeing images I made uploaded to Google's YouTube, a few days ago I watched a documentary about something and someone included some images that I uploaded here. So, your contributions here won't go unnoticed and what we do here does provide value to the world, especially to future generations. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm just really glad that you're back and all of your contributions were restored, the main person you should thank for this is user "源義信" (Nguyên Nghĩa Tín). Just remember, people here think that you're valuable and will fight for you against these false accusations, no innocent man should suffer for the crimes of someone else.
Anyhow, I did notice just how often chatbots quote Wikipedia when I ask for new information that I want to add to Wikipedia. I also noticed that a lot of documentaries I watch on Google's YouTube simply use Wikipedia and barely expand on it as well, even really good documentarians have fallen into this... — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum, I forgot to mention that in Viet-Nam the entire period from 1940 to 1992 is seem as a long singular war (basically a Communist struggle against imperialism) where very little difference is made between the Japanese, the French, the South Vietnamese, the Americans, the Cambodians, and the Chinese seeing them all as antagonistic forces against the revolution. But in American historiography the period of American involvement is seem as a special period. This also (partially) explains the different perspectives. In Vietnamese historiography, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam and the Socialist Republic of Viet-Nam are barely treated as different states. Meanwhile the Americans see the Communist insurgencies against the Japanese and later the French as "the prelude to the Vietnam War" and the war in Cambodia and the Chinese invasion as "the aftermath of the Vietnam War" despite all of these being completely different conflicts. Historiography always follows narratives, Wikipedia at least gives the freedom to write about highly specific subjects that don't necessarily have to follow the "grand narrative" of a history book 📖 the way traditional books 📚 do. It can do this precisely by incorporating many different sources to tell many separate stories. Likewise, when I will try to cover the entire Nguyễn Dynasty period after Gia Long I want to answer the questions how and when did modern Viet-Nam form? We can tell from newspapers from the 1930's that Viet-Nam had essentially changed into the country we know today, but in the 1910's it was very much still the same old Confucian Chinese civilisation. The process was slow and asymmetrical and didn't all occur at once. But when the State of Viet-Nam was formed in the 1940's none of the old Nguyễn Dynasty institutions seemed to have survived, the old provincial mandarins became the new provincial governors, but they didn't use the same titles, style of governance, nor administration and bureaucracy as they had done prior to 1945. Yet, in 1945 the Empire of Viet-Nam still used the styles and titles as they had used for over a century at this point. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Love is blind, so is hatred. Sad, but it is what it is. I think I have encountered 源義信 once or twice? He uploaded pretty nice historical photos. It’s quite surprising though, that he would help me as I barely interact with him, or anyone else for that matter.
Back to cultural stuff we were talking, have you ever heard of Violet Evergarden? I watched its animation long ago out of curiosity and the scenes there struck me out. The setting is fictitious, but is based on Europe during the 19th century (something like this) and it made me think of how the ways of life (of a random individual) might have looked like in the past. I would probably never have cared about these small details without Violet. In my defence, history is a lot and I would have to know the grand scheme first so as to understand such details (can’t say “these songs reflect the wishes for a better life” if you don’t know about “the war”).
I will continue with my intended projects for Wikipedia/media, but that will probably take a while since my schedule is killing me right now. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 13:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Daeva Trạc, that's a very beautiful image and people are usually introduced to the past by the ways of pop culture, this is also why everyone in the world knows American pop culture, because Hollywood is globally dominant and we all consume American popular culture. Japanese cartoons have probably done more to make people curious about things like medieval Europe, ancient Greece, and / or early modern Europe than any Western production.
In fact, I only became interested in Nguyễn Dynasty culture because its money fascinated me. I only started caring about its seals because I got interested in its documents after I researched the passports of the State of Viet-Nam. We like things because we like other things. I used to hate Chinese-style seals and especially Chinese seal script, but I've now grown an appreciation for it. As for user "源義信" (Nguyên Nghĩa Tín / Minamoto no Yoshinobu), they simply saw that you uploaded a few interesting historical pictures and found it odd that they were suddenly deleted. Who knows how many innocent users were incorrectly blocked as "LTA's" but never got any attention because they were just getting started and only made a handful of edits that were simply deemed "an obvious duck 🦆".
The SCP Foundation has also given me more of an appreciation for bureaucracy, because it can show how you can tell stories through bureaucratic documents. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 14:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #645

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