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Keeping it shorter now, if you're lucky you'd encounter reasonable and rational people. You're willing to become a better contributor and having seen your article about World War II (Laos) I don't think that you're incompetent at all. You edit in good faith which is more than I can say than for a lot of editors.
Also, please remove the fictional flags from non-fiction categories, there are people actively hunting them to delete them, regardless of the context. As I noted before it becomes difficult to contextualise and debunk fictional content if there isn't any fictional content to centextualise and debunk, the readers will then simply think "Wikimedia websites don't know about this flag yet" rather than finding us debunking the claims. Anyhow, remember to find good sources and not cite Wikipedia, that is my main concern. I don't know much about ancient history as it's very much undocumented and I prefer to investigate modern history due to the abundance of sources.
Wikipedia is never a good source to use for sourcing other content. Wikipedia can best be described as "a list of sources you can consult" but even then, if you've never seen the source by your own eyes you can't say that you've consulted the source by copying a Wikipedia article's referencing. A good example of a user deliberately manipulating sources and misinterpreting them would be the contributions of user "Laska666" who deliberately misattributed a number of sources they found to create false representations of Vietnamese history, purely because they hate the historical Chinese influence and the similarities of Chinese historiography and Vietnamese historiography.
I just put Wikipedia as a somewhat summary, though. Main source are still the books, other websites are just prove that they existed (they have different arguments about that such as how Han or Vietnamese they are)— Daeva Trạc (talk) 09:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, that makes sense. But I am somewhat skeptical of these old books, mainly because history isn't just primary sources, it's also archeology. Note that this culture produced bronze drums which were different from other bronze drums made in the region. My guess is that in order to attribute their new state with the historical Bạch (100) Việt mentioned in Chinese history books 📚 they invented a cultural myth that tried to tie the (then-modern) Đại Việt with the old Việt. Vietnamese nationalist historiography has existed for well over a Millenium, it wasn't invented in the modern day. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
What I'm trying to say is that we should probably only map out the area in which the Heger Type I bronze drums were found and then add a map of these to the Wikipedia article. The mythological Hồng Bàng Dynasty is rarely taken seriously by any historian outside of Vietnam purely because it works with too many anachronistic assumptions and isn't backed up by any archeological findings. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
The Vietnam National Museum of History in Hanoi actually has several maps (Internet Archive's Wayback Machine) of where these bronze drums were found. This all points out to the Red River Delta area and hardly points out to anywhere nearly as large as the map of Xich Quy (a fully Chinese name, I might add). Again, Prehistory (as no actual records exist) isn't my strong point. When actual documents lack I prefer to go for any other evidence and the only evidence we have are these bronze drums. I am against including a map of such a large territory in the Infobox as it could be highly misleading to the readers without the proper context (namely that it's the territory ascribed to it by later sources as removed from it as we are removed from those sources). -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Pardon me, @Donald Trung, can you explain to me about a puppet user named “C”. I know he/she is a puppet, but I don’t really know who that is. Now, there are some people claiming that I was him. They upset about the fictional flag (which is understandable), but then they accused me for insulting a user named Lệ Xuân. — Daeva Trạc (talk) 19:36, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, Musée Annam (commonly known as "C" at the Vietnamese-language Wikipedia or "Unserefahne" at the English-language Wikipedia) is an older man from Nam Định who has made it his life work to spread false flags of Vietnamese history online and everywhere he can. He is not a nice person (for example he sexually harassed another user and commonly told me to commit suicide and fuck my own mother), but he's quite fanatic in wanting to upload images related to Vietnamese history to the Wikimedia Commons. Among his images are maps and flags not unlike your uploads, in fact one of his most comment modus operandi is to upload the flags you uploaded, add them to Infoboxes, leave a few insults and sexual comments, then disappear 🫥. According to many people Musée Annam invented these flags himself, I don't think so, I've been watching his sockpuppets for years and I can smell him a mile away, he looks through lots of historical sources (of varying degrees of reliability) and he'll take basically anything at face value. Furthermore, he rarely adds sources at all, his most common source is "Just trust me, bro" and if you question him he'll insult you. When you first came on my radar I immediately assumed that you were Musée Annam, but after checking your MO I realised that you are a different person with similar interests. For one, you actually try to debunk the flags he claims are legitimate. That aside, for years he has terrorised Vietnamese history on Wikipedia's with mountains of false information and he relentlessly keeps uploading false flags, people keep deleting them, but many people who don't know that these flags are fake also upload them and think that "Wikipedia is just missing them", the myths surrounding those flags is so common and widespread in the online flag enthusiast community that I think that we should have them at the Wikimedia Commons and debunk their legitimacy where we can to fight these widespread falsehoods. Years of censoring these flags through deletion hasn't worked so I created the "Fantasy flags" list at Wikipedia (on an article originally made by Musée Annam to spread bullshit). Your additions help fight the misinformation he has been perpetrating for years, yet they see that you uploaded those flags and conclude that you must be him. 😑😑😑 — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Also, despite the fact that I've literally never had an interaction with Musée Annam that didn't include him telling me that I'm "a low IQ moron who should commit suicide" I don't really dislike his presence here, usually I just silently watch one of his socks until he inevitably does something disruptive, notify the admins, and nominate his bad uploads for deletion while attempting to keep his good ones. He's actually quite talented in finding rare images related to Vietnamese history that others can't find. If people want I can make a list of behaviour reasons why I think that you're not Musée Annam (for one, you actually speak in a normal contemporary way, while he uses a lot of 1930's mannerisms, his stupid sourcing model, his inability to ever attribute sources, Etc.), Though honestly I don't want to invest the time in picking his recent socks and comparing all, plus I can't even remember the usernames of his most recent socks... Judging 🧐 by the content you work with you'll eventually run into him, you'll disagree with something he does, and you'll be as much a victim of him as the rest of us. 😅😅😅 Welcome to Vietnamese history on Wikimedia websites. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Welp, hope I can explain to them about my work. This C/Mussee seems to be really good at upsetting people that other users now won’t hesitate to use his own method against him (and those who they think is him).— Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, Musée Annam cost Wikimedia websites a good number of prominent contributors, he made this hobby stop being fun for many, so now they lash out because they think "they finally got him". If you use FPT Telecom as your internet provider and if you're in Hanoi or Haiphong they might see you as him though, so you're not out the water 🌊. Simply being in the same IP range is enough to get banned. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
@Donald Trung, that’s very bad. Wikipedia (vi) had a sad and full of conflict history. The flags are fake, but they are famous, that’s why I added them (but to be honest, I also used to added them into infoboxes, not all of them but only to replace the weird fictional flags someone had already added before|I just think if people accepted the fiction, then they should have the famous ones, which is also dumb). But now, I too somehow became a victim of insults. I don’t angry that people think Im a puppet, but false accusations like these really make me sad. This isn’t really a conflict between those who want to fight for a better Wiki and conspiracist. But their angry about this guy have now transferred into me.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 19:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, yeah, I read the comments, at the English-language Wikipedia such insults would have been a bannable offense. Wikipedia is a learning experience and competence is acquired. People should be patient with newcomers and try to teach y'all the ropes. You came to Wikipedia seeing these bullshit flags everywhere, you saw a list explaining that they were bullshit, and you wanted to contribute to it. People mistakenly saw you for the bullshitter who originally added them to Wikipedia without even wanting to hear your perspective. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks @Donald Trung, but I don’t use FPT Telecom. It’s hard to explain things to someone that is angry, and now I have to deal with lots of people who all think I am this guy. So now I have to convince them. They even deleted my map in Hồng Bàng (vi version). I will try to convince them again, like I have tried with Qiushufang.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, I have mixed feelings about the map, on the one (1) hand it is mentioned in historical sources, on the other hand the entire concept of the Húng Kings is bullshit and serious academic historians regard it as a myth. Best thing to do with angry 😡 people is to remain calm and explain that you're not Musée Annam. Since you don't use FPT Telecom you can simply ask them to run a CheckUser to prove your innocence (but I think that that would get declined, I don't know, I haven't read the Vietnamese-language Wikipedia's CheckUser guidelines), you can read more about Musée Annam here. Either way, having dealt with the man for years I think that it's quite obvious from your personality that you're not him, that or he must've changed radically and drastically in a short amount of time. 😅😅😅 -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
I know @Donald Trung, that’s why when editing the map, I also put “myth” or in this case “truyền thuyết”, in the article to let people know that I only did this based on books, written when Vietnamese were very nationalist.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 22:04, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
@Daeva Trạc: , By the way, I think that there are still a lot of missing flags out there (including fake flags to debunk), when I was busy with flags J kept searching until I couldn't find anything anymore. Last month I saw a post at a comment section at Meta's Facebook which found an old Chinese painting with the alleged "Gia Long Dragon Star Flag" where it was a flag used by Chinese merchants. Unfortunately I didn't save the post and now I don't know where to find it, though the main reason I didn't import the depiction of that Chinese merchant flag was because it was too small and vague to upload here (though in retrospect I should've).
To me, it seems noble that you want to debunk these bullshit flags, I watch several Cổ phong (chữ Hán: 古風) pages, and a lot of Cổ phong enthusiasts tend to spread these fake flags around, then other Cổ phong'ers (or Cổ phongese?) will debunk them, earlier it was the pro-fake flag faction that pointed to Wikipedia but I've seen several link to the list of fantasies to debunk the Dragon Star Flag (including in the debate mentioned above). It is clear that your contributions to debunking these fake flags have had some real world effects and I'm grateful that you chose to become a Wikimedian. Just please read "COM:VIETNAM" again before uploading photographs. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
@Donald Trung I appreciate that, but until I can end this accusation, I think I should stop for some time. And for the flags, I didn’t really upload them, it’s more like I tried to recreate the flags based on the descriptions (I could put more websites, put find it unnecessary). Mainly because of how blurry the flags are when I downloaded them and there are also watermark (I think I read somewhere that you can’t have file with watermark).
Daeva Trạc, You can have files with watermarks. I think that you think of "Commons:Watermark" which states "This page is a proposed Commons guideline, policy, or process. The proposal may still be in development, under discussion, or in the process of gathering consensus for adoption. References or links to this page should not describe it as "policy"". It is not policy and many educational images are only available with watermarks, this destructive suggestion has never been adopted (and thankfully so). If I find an old public domain file with a huge watermark I simply upload it, the Vietnamese National Archives place giant watermarks on everything, but these files have tremendous historical value and this non-policy cannot prohibit them being uploaded. Education is more important than aesthetics. Also, the easiest way to disprove you being Musée Annam / Unserefahne / C is by uploading such images, as Musée Annam's modus operandi is to steal images, remove watermarks, upload them as "Own works" (without sourcing), uploading them as raster images in the SVG format, and then adding them to random infoboxxes. By explicitly not doing this you actually prove the opposite. I used to think that you were Musée Annam too until I actually saw you continue to edit. I most sincerely doubt that this accusation will stand as long as people are rational. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Personally I am for completion, that is having all possible information that we can have, and then contextualise and scrutinise it. If we can debunk ALL fantasy flags and add enough context as to why they are false and shouldn't be used in any historical context we can prevent future abuse. In fact, I think using the term "FICTIONAL FLAG" in titles is a great way to prevent anyone from adding them to any Infoboxes purely because someone sees the word "FICTIONAL" and then immediately removes them, even if they've never had any experiences with the flag. A random Wikipedia editor who only cares about military history sees the word "FICTIONAL FLAG" in an Infobox and their very first (1st) instinct would be to remove them. You actually do more to combat misinformation by properly contextualising them than any deletionist has done in years of fighting them. I kept seeing bullshit flags everywhere until I started categorising them as "FICTIONAL FLAGS". -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc is (probably) not Musée Annam / C / Đăng Đàn Cung / Unserefahne
Here is a comparison between users "Daeva Trạc" and the Musée Annam family of sockpuppets.
Musée Annam typically is obsessed with categories, he will relentlessly add (often irrelevant) categories to files. Daeva Trạc has displayed no such interest in mass-categorisation.
If Musée Annam wants to do an edit he edits, if another user only slightly disagrees a hailstorm of insults in Vietnamese follow, this is also true at the English-language Wikipedia. Daeva Trạc asks and seeks consensus before.
Musée Annam just adds flags without context. Daeva Trạc saw the list of fictional flags at the Chinese list and uploaded those fake flags because of that. Note that the "List of Chinese flags" article got that list of fakes because I added it to Vietnam first to debunk Musée Annam, Daeva Trạc saw it at China and only then wanted to do it for Vietnam. Also notes that Daeva Trạc immediately names the flag as fictional, rather than just adding it to an infobox.
Musée Annam is extremely and unapologetically incompetent and if you point it out he'll insult you, Daeva Trạc seeks help and advice from other editors when someone notes that he does something wrong. If he's not sure about something he'll tell you, see here. Musée Annam acts as if he cannot ever be wrong.
I'll admin, Daeva Trạc often does things that I fundamentally disagree with, but they're willing to learn. Musée Annam doesn't even acknowledge the existence of criticism.
There is a strong overlap in interests, for example the No-U Movement, but also with the Nipponese Dog Calvero, for example here.
User "NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh" has hunted many Musée Annam socks, yet they seemed to be willing to help Daeva Trạc. I've yet to see Musée Annam interact positively or neutrally with NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, let alone ask them for advice.
Daeva Trạc's idiosyncratic sourcing found here and here is not something I've ever seen any other user do, ironically this is kind of the opposite of how Musée Annam sources content (as they typically refuse to add sources).
Musée Annam uses FPT Telecom and almost always from either Hanoi or Haiphong, Daeva Trạc doesn't use FPT Telecom (according to them). I am sure that an actual CheckUser can verify that Daeva Trạc's "digital signature" is different from Musée Annam's.
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@Daeva Trạc: , By the way, I think that there are still a lot of missing flags out there (including fake flags to debunk), when I was busy with flags J I kept searching until I couldn't find anything anymore. Last month I saw a post at a comment section at Meta's Facebook which found an old Chinese painting with the alleged "Gia Long Dragon Star Flag" (tagged as "FICTIONAL") where it was a flag used by Chinese merchants. Unfortunately I didn't save the post and now I don't know where to find it, though the main reason I didn't import the depiction of that Chinese merchant flag was because it was too small and vague to upload here (though in retrospect I should've).
To me, it seems noble that you want to debunk these bullshit flags, I watch several Cổ phong (chữ Hán: 古風) pages, and a lot of Cổ phong enthusiasts tend to spread these fake flags around, then other Cổ phong'ers (or Cổ phongese?) will debunk them, earlier it was the pro-fake flag faction that pointed to Wikipedia but I've seen several link to the list of fantasies to debunk the Dragon Star Flag (including in the debate mentioned above). It is clear that your contributions to debunking these fake flags have had some real world effects and I'm grateful that you chose to become a Wikimedian. Just please read "COM:VIETNAM" ("Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Vietnam") again before uploading photographs. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
@Donald Trung I appreciate that, but until I can end this accusation, I think I should stop for some time. And for the flags, I didn’t really upload them, it’s more like I tried to recreate the flags based on the descriptions (I could put more websites, put find it unnecessary). Mainly because of how blurry the flags are when I downloaded them and there are also watermark (I think I read somewhere that you can’t have file with watermark).
Daeva Trạc, You can have files with watermarks. I think that you think of "Commons:Watermark" which states "This page is a proposed Commons guideline, policy, or process. The proposal may still be in development, under discussion, or in the process of gathering consensus for adoption. References or links to this page should not describe it as "policy"". It is not policy and many educational images are only available with watermarks, this destructive suggestion has never been adopted (and thankfully so). If I find an old public domain file with a huge watermark I simply upload it, the Vietnamese National Archives place giant watermarks on everything, but these files have tremendous historical value and this non-policy cannot prohibit them being uploaded. Education is more important than aesthetics. Also, the easiest way to disprove you being Musée Annam / Unserefahne / C is by uploading such images, as Musée Annam's modus operandi is to steal images, remove watermarks, upload them as "Own works" (without sourcing), uploading them as raster images in the SVG format, and then adding them to random infoboxxes. By explicitly not doing this you actually prove the opposite. I used to think that you were Musée Annam too until I actually saw you continue to edit. I most sincerely doubt that this accusation will stand as long as people are rational. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Personally I am for completion, that is having all possible information that we can have, and then contextualise and scrutinise it. If we can debunk ALL fantasy flags and add enough context as to why they are false and shouldn't be used in any historical context we can prevent future abuse. In fact, I think using the term "FICTIONAL FLAG" in titles is a great way to prevent anyone from adding them to any Infoboxes purely because someone sees the word "FICTIONAL" and then immediately removes them, even if they've never had any experiences with the flag. A random Wikipedia editor who only cares about military history sees the word "FICTIONAL FLAG" in an Infobox and their very first (1st) instinct would be to remove them. You actually do more to combat misinformation by properly contextualising them than any deletionist has done in years of fighting them. I kept seeing bullshit flags everywhere until I started categorising them as "FICTIONAL FLAGS". -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
@Donald Trung, yeah, trying to delete something only make people to look up for it more. After all, fake news wouldn’t be fake news if there aren’t anyone said so. And as a website that many people visit like Wikipedia, I think we should also have somewhat actions to against these things. And will upload the Nguyễn lord flag after everything is settled, trying to do something that nobody likes can only cause more tension for now (sorry for didn’t upload sooner, I suddenly have a desire to make maps for articles that haven’t had any and just forgot that).— Daeva Trạc (talk) 12:51, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, I fully understand your drive, there are a lot of maps I want to create but I need to learn how to use tools other than Microsoft Paint 🎨. 😅😅😅 For example, I want to make a map of the Hanoian annexation of surrounding lands based on this image:
But I need to improve my map-making skills. When I was younger I made a lot of PNG maps for fun using the base global maps I found at the Wikimedia Commons, but today almost everything is in SVG and I usually see articles include these high quality maps. Though I think that low quality maps still have a place, especially if no better version exists(, yet). -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 15:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
You really love the Nguyễn dynasty @Donald Trung. Im still learning how to make an SVG map, maybe we can help each other out:)
I would like to ask, can I link to your comments about the fictional flags. I think it will help me convince other user in the Wiki vi-version that I didn’t just do what I wanted but I did ask first.
Daeva Trạc, everything we say is public and freely licensed, it is literally at the bottom of every Wikimedia page. You don't need my permission to copy or link 🖇️ to anything I do or say on-wiki, it's literally in the license. I don't particularly love the Nguyễn Dynasty, I think that it had a lot of bad things to it and I'm not a fan it its centralisation, arrogance concerning the Tây Sơn, and its mishandling of many opportunities. I just find it a fascinating period as Vietnam was essentially "Ancient China" when it came into the period, and "modern Vietnam" when it came out of the period, the same ideas and mannerisms of modern Vietnam were already visible in the 1930's. This means that it was during this period that Vietnam changed from "ancient" to "modern", and how this happened was very gradual and it's something I really like to document. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
I also like to learn about that dynasty (especially about “transition” era like the Qing, Nguyễn, Meji, etc). What I meant is that you know so many things that I didn’t know about it, that’s all:) Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, That is unfortunate, you could ask a CheckUser to absolve you, but seeing how zealous they were in their accusations I think that they'll scream "duck 🦆" and ignore it. You really don't act, talk, nor look like a Musée Annam sock. Sure, there is quite a bit of overlap in your interests, but that's it. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Alright, I'll do it, I will have to make a detailed comparison between you and Musée Annam to defend you against these accusations. It will take some time and I will need to make that time later. I think that I'll do it on my wife's laptop 💻 the next time it's available for me again. Again, when I first (1st) saw you I also just assumed that you were a Musée Annam sockpuppet, but then I saw more of your edits and realised that you're a different person with similar interests. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:42, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
┌───────────────────────────┘ "cấm mở tài khoản, cấm thư điện tử, không được sửa trang thảo luận của mình" No room for discussion either, I know Musée Annam socks. The moment you discover one all it can do is spout insults and it stops editing productively. Your reaction is further evidence that you're not Musée Annam. I have literally never seen a Musée Annam sock getting accused without proclaiming that everyone is dumb and uncivilised while he is soooooo intelligent and sooooo civilised, proceeding to sexually harass every woman ♀️, tell every man to commit suicide, and leaving with big fat middle fingers telling us all how we know nothing about Vietnamese history and how all our contributions "are not important " and "fake according to REAL experts" while he proclaims to be above everyone. He also immediately blanks any accusation when they come around. Rather than Musée Annam being immature (despite being a member of the 8X Generation) you got insults thrown at you, insults which should have been blockeable / bannable offenses as personal attacks to a fellow volunteer contributor. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, I have also tried to seek for other users in the Viet wiki. I can only do it in the English version of Wikipedia now. If this “C” has another account and sees this, he will definitely try to create more difficult situations for the community.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, Oddly enough I haven't seen Musée Annam on my watchlist for some time, I watch a lot of categories he likes to fuck around with and usually immediately recognise him, though sometimes I mistake other users like you or "源義信" for him, but then I realise that y'all are waaayyy more competent. 🤣🤣🤣 THat aside, I'm trying to build a case for you, I haven't had the time to take diff's for Musée Annam yet. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Citation and footnote editing can now be started from the reference list when using the visual editor. This feature request was voted #2 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. [1]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 June. It will be on all wikis from 8 June (calendar).
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Just please read "COM:VIETNAM" again before uploading photographs. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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