User talk:David Kernow~commonswiki/Archive 1

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Missing information

Hi, the images listed below are still missing information. Most importantly, "freely available from the Internet" is not a credible source. Please add a credible source who can verify that the photos are public domain. Publishing a photo without a copyright sign does not make the photo public domain, in fact, photographers are not required in any way to explicitly claim copyright.. Thuresson 17:57, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess you'd better delete all these immediately. Unfortunately I have spent as much time on them as I can afford. I have removed all links I made to them from Wikipedia.
David Kernow 21:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Further to the above, I thought I'd post the following query here first in case you already know the answer to it. I'm getting the impression that uploading (small) images to Wikipedia for "fair use" is acceptable, unlike uploading them to Wikimedia Commons. Is this correct?
Thank you, David Kernow 03:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

About uploading small images to Wikipedia: Yes, uploading a small (eg. not bigger than absolutely necessary) photo could be considered fair use, although I also suggest that you read en:Wikipedia:Fair use first. Thuresson 03:22, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and direction to the Wikipedia "Fair use" policy page. I think most of the pictures I recently uploaded to Wikimedia Commons can (with some resizing) be covered by {{promophoto}} fair use on Wikipedia, so I will submit them there. Best wishes, David Kernow 22:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


Category:Menhir

Hello, can I ask you : why did you write Category:Stone rows in Image:Menhirs carnac.jpg, Image:Lutry menhir1.JPG, etc. while there is Category:Menhirs ? The word w:Menhir is commonly used, if you think about a menhir row, there is no need to create "stone row" YolanC 09:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, YolanC. So far as I'm aware, "menhir" is commonly used to identify a solitary standing stone, so "menhirs" would indicate a group of such stones, but not necessarily near each other. Although "stone rows", "stone circles" and the like are made from groups of single standing stones, I believe they are still known as stone rows etc rather than menhir rows etc. I think this is certainly the case in English. However, please direct me as to where to look if I am mistaken - thanks!
Best wishes, David Kernow 17:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I understand your point of view. In french, we say "alignements de menhirs", that means "menhir alignments". We don't say : "Hey ! Look at the stone row!" but "Look at the menhir row!", that's why I'm here to talk. I think the word "menhir" is essential and we should utilise it in categories. I believe it's the same in english, but I am going to ask there. YolanC 18:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Good idea. However, unlike each version of Wikipedia, isn't Wikimedia Commons is meant to be multilingual – in which case perhaps it would need redirects such as "Category:Menhir rows" → "Category:Stone rows" (or vice versa), etc. (Is this possible?)
Regards, David Kernow 18:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

A Menhir/standing stone is a different monument type to a stone row. Although menhir is a familiar term to anyone interested in megalithic architecture, its technical use is deprecated in English-speaking archaeology, as are 'cromlech' and 'dolmen', which I think is because these ancient names tend to exist outside more precise classification schemes developed in the twentieth century. Stone row/alignment is used in English rather than menhir row/alignment. 'Menhir' is rather a localised name and carries with it cultural baggage which may not always be useful. See the EH Monument Class Descriptions for preferred terms in England. --unsigned, from 81.179.212.130

Thanks, 81.179.212.130; this summarises my suspicions. If Category:Stone rows remains, Template:Category redirect could be used to redirect "Category:Menhir rows" and "Category:Menhir alignments" toward it. Thank also for the useful English Heritage link. Best wishes, David Kernow 20:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, thanks 81.*.130, I am maybe wrong, but we should utilise Category:Stone alignments, (see there). YolanC 21:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I have the impression that archaeology in English tends to reserve the word "alignment" to indicate astronomical alignments or other such features found in megalithic monuments that are not necessarily stone rows (e.g. Stonehenge). Can anyone shed more light on this?  Thanks, David Kernow 21:57, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


Stranraer Photo

Hi, no problems on the updating of the photo - you have made a decent job of cleaning it up. I probably should have lightened and spruced at the time, but I just uploaded it as a footer for the article since it looked a bit bare and the pics were just sitting on my machine! SFC9394 22:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


Category:Maps of European Regions speedy rename

Hello, the renaming is no problem but unfortunately categories can't be renamed (AKA moved) like normal pages. Each image has to be edited to belong to the new category. Once all the images have been moved and the bad category is empty, it can be speedy deleted (mark {{db|Redundant to ...}}) or marked with {{Category redirect}}.

It's a pain, huh?

ARRG, yes!  I came across Category:Maps of European Regions while spending time trying to sort out the global and regional maps; during this process I created two categories (Category:Graduated world maps and Category:World membership maps) that I think might be better named, but didn't worry at the time as I assumed it would be straightforward to rename them. But now...

You can try asking a bot operator to make the change for you. See Category:Commons bots. I am thinking of getting a bot of my own to do tasks like this, but I don't have one yet.

cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this suggestion (and for your message). I'll aim to look into it soon and let you know if I find something that might be useful to us both. Not knowing any better, I now suppose it's bots that sort out the category renaming on the Wikipediae...
Glad to have learned of this shortcoming; thanks again. Best wishes, David Kernow 23:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


Category:Maps of New York → Category:Maps of New York State

(nah, Category:Maps of New York City is for the city, so there's no ambiguity)

Thanks for the feedback, Dbenbenn, but I fear it may be U.S.-centric...?  In any case, I also suggest it's useful to remind or inform those folk not U.S.-savvy that there is a whole U.S. state called New York as well as that city crammed into its corner!   Regards, David Kernow 22:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess if you want to get it changed, you should see if others agree with you. (I disagree, but I won't stand in the way if I'm in the minority.) Probably Commons:Village pump is a good place to get some quick feedback. Cheers, User:dbenbenn 22:50, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm in no hurry to make this move as (a) yes, it's not crucial; and (b) I'd prefer to find some bot to do the donkey-work. In the meantime, it's better I continue to continue trying to sort out the other maps and add some media. Best wishes, David 10:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved Category:Maps of New York State back to Category:Maps of New York. As I said before, if you want to get it changed, you should discuss it with others first. User:dbenbenn 14:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Apologies; I forgot that you'd sent me a message about it. I'll ask about it at the Village Pump. Regards, David Kernow 03:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


Langauge templates

Hi i saw that you changed some language templates. Please leave them as they are now (the naming scheme is commonly used everywhere in Commons) and IMHO the mid dot is not that good in order to visually separate the single links (thats why a | is used everyhwere in Commons in that case). P.S.: I did not forget the upload text thing I just had so much other work to do... Need to sleep now ;-) Arnomane 00:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Please wait at least a few minutes before reverting editors' work; in fact, rather than revert, please send a message, especially if it looks likely that they are still logged in. They may not have finished making their contribution. As regards the above, please see the previous thread. David Kernow 00:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


Bot categorization

...I've identified at least three non-contentious moves I'd be grateful for a bot to handle... please let me know how easy, tricky, demanding or undemanding such requests would be...

Hi. It's really easy, I could easily do (and have done before) 20 in a few minutes. The problem is, I don't have bot status on Commons...yet. I've hinted at it before but I never got a firm answer. So I think I'll do that now. And once I get it, you can pile up as many requests as you want, I'm not the one doing the work. In es:, there is a protected page that admins can edit to automatically assign the bot work (non-admins request it on the talk page), and the bot does it and I never even see it--unless I look for it, of course. That page is located here. Chau--Orgullomoore 17:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

According to Commons:Bots, "A bot flag can be requested at Commons:Administrators", so maybe you should copy your Village Pump request there...?  There doesn't appear to be any description of how a request is handled, though. I'd hope that if after say a week there was no objection, or at least a consensus in favor, a 'bot admin' would present a flag... Regards, David 10:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Just seen that there's a list of eleven bots waiting to be checked, which is four more than those listed above (presumably with flag) so I wonder how long we'd have to wait... David 10:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmm...perhaps I should be brave and run it without a flag? (With a long nap between each edit....)--Orgullomoore 10:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
If that might upset people, it would be counter-productive. Perhaps if you place the request in Commons:Bots, wait a day or two and if there's no reponse, try asking one of the people whose bot has been flagged how they managed to gain a flag (and how long it took, etc.)...?  Regards, David 11:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW I don't mean to suggest that you stop the Orgullobot thread at the Village Pump; all good feedback for the 'bot admins' to consider... David 11:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the suggestions, I'll do my best. When I got my flag on es: it took a few days, and there was a period where people would request flags on es: without letting the community know about it and would have them in a couple of hours, but it seems that they have tightened the reins up a bit, which I suppose can only be good.--Orgullomoore 11:19, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
"I see you've got Orgullobot working on category redirects. Yay, that's awesome!"
Yes indeed (hello dbenbenn!) so do we start adding requests here...?  Thanks, David Kernow 12:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that will be fine.--Orgullomoore 18:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Great – I've just added four rename requests to User talk:Orgullobot/commands per the documentation (which seems very clear – nice work!) so here's hoping all works well. Thanks again, David 22:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


Category:Maps in Galician

Thanks!  Removing "Rename Category:Maps in Galician Language as Category:Maps in Galician" request at User talk:Orgullobot/commands: Done. Best wishes, David Kernow 19:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Re: bugzilla:2725

I hate to break it to you, but it's probably worth nothing. The only consistent way I have seen bugs solved is by also posting a patch/solution. As for bugs that the devs choose to fix, it seems impossible to tell how they choose them... certainly votes mean nothing...

Well, what it's worth is, you'll get email updates when someone comments/changes the bug. So, next to nothing. pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:58, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

From seeing a couple of ideas I had re Wikipedia already well-buried there (e.g. Bugzilla:167) I reckoned this was the case, but have some sympathy as it's all voluntary... Still, implementing just a select few suggested enhancements would, I think, make such a difference...
Thanks for your message, David Kernow 00:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually I had the notion that something like bugzilla:167 was going to be solved soon, storing the interwikis separately. But yeah, I prefer to wait until I actually see it in action. pfctdayelise (translate?) 01:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


Re: Category watching

Hi again Pfctdayelise,
I'm probably missing something obvious, so apologies in advance if this is a "no-brainer": How do you set your watchlist to indicate new additions to categories?  For instance, I'm interested in maps (in case you hadn't noticed!) and contributors sometimes dump... <cough> place them in Category:Maps rather than an appropriate subcategory... Thanks, David Kernow 01:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, unfortunately there is no way to do what you describe. It would be an extremely handy feature. If you put a category on your watchlist, you will only get notifications if for example someone changes its categories or text, not if items are actually added to or removed from it. bugzilla:1710. You might find it convenient to look at special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Maps but that's only a partial solution. cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 05:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, though, for Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Maps; it will be better than nothing!  Best wishes, David 11:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Although I know it is annoying for you, trying to keep the category "neat", I actually consider that that is more or less the way Commons should work: seasoned contributors have "pet" categories that they tend to, while newbies just dump images at the first place that seems OK. The trick is in training and attracting the seasoned contributors. I would rather have someone dump an image in a generic category (like Category:Maps) than nowhere at all. I do it myself, occasionally, if I see an uncategorised image with a description in another language. I can ascertain it's in Spain; OK, put it in Category:Spain and rely on the wiki-way to eventually produce someone who is galled enough by the disorganisation to bother cleaning it up. ;) cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 11:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
"...I would rather have someone dump an image in a generic category (like Category:Maps) than nowhere at all..."
Agreed; I have no idea how many map images are lost in the Commons' ocean (and currently I prefer this state of ignorant bliss lack-of-despair) but at least those somewhere within Category:Maps should someday find an appropriate subcategory.
"...rely on the wiki-way to eventually produce someone who is galled enough by the disorganisation to bother cleaning it up..."
Flamarande has started a blitz on the old maps and works very quickly, doing a great job; his/her energy is a boon. That's why I'm here at the moment, trying to catch up!  Yours, David 11:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


Using Orgullobot

Hi again Orgullomore,
Is it possible for someone who isn't an admin to be permitted to add tasks to User:Orgullobot/commands?  If so, I'd be very grateful to be given this privilege. I'm taking part in an overhaul of Category:Maps and, as you can see from here, having Orgullobot move map categories sooner rather than later will make the work much easier. Yours hopefully, David Kernow 11:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

We're gonna have to think of something tricky...first I'll take a nap :-D--Orgullomoore 00:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I just had an idea that I think will work, I'll let you know when I get the kinks out of it.--Orgullomoore 03:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies, Orgullomore. If your idea works, great; otherwise, perhaps I may be made a temporary admin for a fixed period, subject to review and extension...?  Regards, David 15:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Try adding your requests to here using the documentation. This page should be blocked to anyone but you and admins. As far as making you an admin, you would have to take that up with some one else. I'm not an admin myself and I don't have the power to make you one.--Orgullomoore 18:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Have just done so. I was warned that no skin called "orgullobot" existed, but am guessing that's because User:David Kernow/orgullobot.css isn't (going to be) associated with one. Thanks for your efforts to help; much appreciated!  Yours, David 22:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

...Okay,

(a) I think User:David Kernow/orgullobot.css is working!
(b) I realise Orgullobot doesn't create the new categories or delete the previous ones once it has moved their contents... is this intentional / a necessary limitation / something else...?

Thanks for what looks like some nifty work!  Best wishes, David 00:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey David: Thank you for your patience with my bot. Regarding the category moves, there is no reason why the bot doesn't move an existing category page to the new, non-existing one. This is something that has been brought to my attention before, but that I haven't had time to work on. I shall try to find the time to do so some time this week...

Thanks for your message!  Considering all the time and energy Orgullobot saves moving the contents of categories, it's a small chore to need to convert a redlink category into blue. In fact, it gives me the opportunity to check the new category's own categorisation. Also, I realise that not all categories Orgullobot leaves behind are best deleted; some deserve a {{Categoryredirect}} as users may search for them. In other words, don't feel pressured from this corner to try to "fix" this behavior – it has its own quirky benefits!  (If when/you do fix it, perhaps even include a parameter/switch for Orgullobot users to toggle and stop Orgullbot from deleting the old category and creating the new one, i.e. to revert to Orgullobot's current behavior!)

Also, regarding the appearent stalls, there are many reasons these can occur. One thing, for example, could be that I lose electricity in my home (due to a storm, outage, a virus on my computer--whatever)...

I hadn't realised Orgullobot's operation relied on your computer – although, thinking about it, I realise that's probably sensible. Understood and appreciated.

At other times, the bot produces errors and brings the bot to a screeching hault. With time and tinkering, these have become less common and more manageable, but perfection is difficult to reach ;).

Ditto (i.e. understood and appreciated). It's curious how Orgullobot either doesn't retry – or, if it does, make any more progress – with a move that was left incomplete. A quick scan of the few requested moves on User:David Kernow/orgullobot.css that Orgullobot left incomplete didn't suggest a pattern, i.e. something systematic causing Orgullobot to abort – for a while I wondered if it might be lowercase "[[category:...]]" entries – but I haven't taken a close look at them. If subsequent stalls prompt an idea, I'll let you know.

As an additional trivial sidenote, I'm glad the /orgullobot.css thing worked out for you. Speaking of this page, note that <!--commenting out--> requests has no effect on the bot. If that request has been carried out, the best thing is for you to remove it from the page, and if you wish to archive your requests, move it to another page. Ciao--Orgullomoore 21:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; I've now moved previous completed requests to User:David Kernow/orgullobot.css/previous, although it's just occurred to me that maybe they need to be moved away from /orgullobot.css/... entirely...?  Best wishes and thanks again for a very useful bot!  Yours, David 00:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, this conversation is getting so complex :-D. Let's see.

  • Orgullobot doesn't retry when an error occurs because it's usually an error in my own programming, and if it were to retry, the same thing would happen again. That is, it's not ocurring that the Wiki's down or a page is locked (it *will* retry for these types of errors), but more likely that I've programmed the bot to do something that it cannot because of XXXXXXXXX. I just caught one of these recently so you may come to find that now some of those cat moves that just wouldn't go before now do.
Understood. I'll let you know if/when I realise Orgullobot has now completed some of the moves that previously stalled.
  • Your constant reminding me about things that Orgullobot does wrong or of things that you would have Orgullobot do is very helpful to me. Thank you for your dedication.
Seems little compared to the dedication needed to construct and maintain one of these bots!  It's my pleasure to contribute whatever I can to such a useful tool. Re extending Orgullobot's abilities to include creating and deleting categories, the thought occurred to me that deletion might not be a good idea even if Orgullobot were able to do it; instead, could Orgullobot be made to insert a {{Categoryredirect}} once it finishes (or aborts) depopulating a category?  I reckon this should (a) make accountability/reversion easier; and (b) if Orgullobot aborts rather than completes a category move, users can more easily find where Orgullobot has placed the population it has managed to move. Also, I guess placing a {{Categoryredirect}} would be easier to implement. What do you think?
  • Regarding what you do with completed requests on you /orgullobot.css page is completely up to you. As long as they are removed specifically from User:David Kernow/orgullobot.css then the bot will not touch them, and if you do choose to leave them there, it's really no big deal, the bot will just check them once everytime it's restarted, do what it can, and continue.--Orgullomoore 00:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks; I'll continue to move them to /orgullobot.css/previous for checking before losing sight of them.
Best wishes, David 03:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Further to Historical maps of Frankfurt

I am not sure what you are doing in your cleanup, but some of it quite confuses me. Like I hope you are not manually cut&paste moving pages. Use the 'move' tab (for one thing, it preserves history).

Worry not; I'm aware cut&pasting is a no-no. Thus far I have looked at less than a handful of article pages (one being including Historical maps of Frankfurt).

And don't be afraid of a few RDRs. For articles they work perfectly. It doesn't matter if the name doesn't represent exactly the same thing (eg old/historical). For categories you can use {{Category redirect}} or indeed request deletion [... I don't see what was wrong with 'Historical maps of X'.]

For map categories, there are plenty of images (and a couple of talk-page comments) indicating that "historical" is an ambiguous description; is the map "historical" (i.e. old), the period "historical", or both?  Using "Maps of X", "Old maps of X" and "Maps of the history of X" (see below) seems much clearer. Hence my preference for deletion rather than retaining names using "historical" by keeping them as redirects.

Category:Maps of X's history - or Maps of the history of X - is indeed preferable to Maps of Xian history, simply because a good many countries have awkward or non existent adjectival forms.

I agree; and for that reason, I think Flamarande and I will settle on "Maps of the history of X".

But anyway, I'm not one for re-inventing the wheel; I suggest you dig into Wikipedia's Manual of style and investigate their reasons for choosing certain naming conventions. Have you made a category scheme? Pick one standard that will scale OK and stick with it.

Well, MoS notwithstanding, all is not straightforward at (the English) Wikipedia re category names involving countries and the like...

And don't RDR to non-existent pages.. >:|

Okay – thanks for letting me know!

I think it is fine if you are whitelisted for Orgullobot.

Since I left my previous message, Orgullomore may have contrived a solution; see User talk:David Kernow#Using Orgullobot.

I don't know why you don't consider becoming an admin, though. :) --pfctdayelise (translate?) 23:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Primarily because I'd say my involvement has been overly specific/one-dimensional – mostly maps!
Thanks for your thoughts, David 23:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


Finnish to Finland...

I modified these categories because I think we need to avoid using the National adjective wherever possible. "of Countryname" seems to be more preferable than "Countryish"... It also makes it easier with regard to searches. I'm sure there's a substantial amount of changes like this all over. Cary "Bastique" Bass parler voir 00:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Agree entirely; see User talk:David Kernow#Re: Further to Historical maps of Frankfurt. I've also just realised how Orgullobot seems to work re moving categories; see end of User talk:David Kernow#Using Orgullobot. Thanks for your work!   Regards, David Kernow 01:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Cisalpine Republic 1801.png

I've copied the immge from en:Image:Cisalpine Republic 1801.png where there is:

"Northen Italy in 1801, with the Cisalpine Republic, Kingdom of Etruria and Ligurian Republic.
"Copyright Centennia Software, Mystic, CT USA. :http://www.HistoricalAtlas.com", used with permission."

is it enough?

Carlomorino

Ciao Carlomorino,
Thanks for your enquiry. Here is my understanding: A big difference between Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons is that pictures may be uploaded at Wikipedia "with permission" and/or for "fair use", but not here at Wikimedia Commons (cf. here). So, unless you can indicate that the copyright Centennia Software puts on images such as Image:Cisalpine Republic 1801.png is one that the Commons can accept (cf. here) then unfortunately the image will have to be deleted. (A pity if so, as it looks useful.)
Please note that I am not an authority on copyright or on Commons policy, so if you are still not sure whether or not the image can be kept here, please ask at the Village Pump. Thanks!  Migliori saluti, David Kernow 23:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Admin

I notice your wonderful work with the organization in categories. I believe that if you become an administrator your work with Orgullobot will be more easy and very useful for community (although you classify maps only I don't believe that is a disadvantage). I apologize for my english. Best wishes. --Prevert(talk) 15:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your very kind message!
Thanks to Orgullomoore, I think I am now able to use Orgullobot as if I am an administrator. (It is so helpful!)  I don't think I am ready to be an administrator, though, because I think there is too much about the Commons that I don't know (for instance, about this kind of topic) and because I am already spending much less time adding material to articles on the English Wikipedia. There is also life beyond the Commons and Wikipedia...
I will remember your encouragement, though; I haven't rejected the idea of becoming an admin. Perhaps you will become one before me!  Best wishes, David Kernow 23:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I admire your modesty. People like you make wikis a good place. Greetings. --Prevert(talk) 08:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

category RDR

Using the template makes it clearer that, if cat A RDRs to cat B, putting category:A on your images *will not* make them show up in cat B.

Also Orgullobot sweeps the category RDRs to move any misplaced images. He only moves any images if the last edit is by an admin or whitelisted user. User:Orgullobot/whitelist I'm confused - are you whitelisted or not?

BTW it is not necessary to copy my comments back to my talk page when you respond. Thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 00:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Re using {{Categoryredirect}} rather than #redirect [[:Category:...]], I realise I'd forgotten to imagine I was contributing to as well as browsing categories. Re User:Orgullobot/whitelist, yes, Orgullomoore has enabled Orgullobot for me, so I guess my name needs to be added. I'll ask him to do so. Best wishes, David 00:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I added you. pfctdayelise (translate?) 00:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!  I was about to leave Orgullomoore a message... (Yes, I thought it better if he or an admin like yourself added my name.)  Yours, David 00:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Just a quick note: please don't subst templates like speedy deletion requests. I would not bother to subst any templates except NSD, NLD and maybe user talk templates. And this is surely wrong. pfctdayelise (translate?) 04:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Yikes... when/where did I do that?  Apologies; it must've been a momentary lapse. Simiarly re this (now repaired); hope you're able to forgive to occasional error. Thanks, David Kernow 02:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Weird category calls

Hi Orgullomoore,
I found out why Orgullobot seemed incapable/unwilling to move these categories: they used templates to insert their "[[Category:...]]" entries. (Take a look at this for an example.) So I've amended the categories specified by the templates accordingly – there's nothing amiss with Orgullobot!
However, moving the last category listed in the first link above (Category:California county locator maps) looks more tricky. The category for each map image is specified thus:
[[Category:California {{{type|county}}} locator maps]]
Would Orgullobot be able to cope with the following and other similarly unusual syntax?
{{move cat|California {{{type|county}}} locator maps|Locator maps for Californian counties (white)}}
I haven't tried it to see in case the unusual syntax causes Orgullobot to grind to a halt. I'm glad, though, that the problems I've had trying to rename these categories don't originate from Orgullobot.
Yours, David Kernow 15:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, David.

The Orgullobot you're used to (the live, wiki-interface one) won't do such a task. However, I do have a bot that will. If you could compile a list of what text needs to be replaced in what categories, then I could run a bot through it and see what we can get done. Each list entry will need to include:

  • The name of the category in which we will be working
  • The text we will need to replace in order to change the category (the old category call)
  • What we want to replace that text with (the new category call).

Thanks--Orgullomoore 01:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Spanish?!

"(Spanish?!)" (edit summary at Image:CartagoCividadeMapa.png)
Many apologies; I was working too quickly. Thanks for correcting my mistake so promptly.
Best wishes, David Kernow 08:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem, in fact in Spanish "Rome" (Roma) and "Carthage" (Cartago) are written in the same way as in Portuguese, but not "Cividade" - the word must not even exists in Spanish, but if there's a word for that it would be "Cividad".---PedroPVZ 15:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Blaeu

Please see answer in User talk:Simplicius. -- Simpl

Dutch map

Hi David, thanks for helping with the correct naming of categories. I'll be working some more on it, as it's not done yet, but at least there's a proper framework now. Cheers! Siebrand 20:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

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