User talk:Da Man2

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User talk:Pilecka

Why did you revert my revert in Pilecka's talkpage? It was not "legitimate comment" it was kind of vandalism. Putting test for newbies on administrator's talkpage without any explanation is not serious editon --Szczepan talk  18:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stop signs

Hi. I removed the category you added to stop signs which was United States specific, as that Category:Stop signs is not intended to only be for that one country. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 18:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you remove both categories when one of them was fine? Da Man2 18:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The other category seemed malformed, named with an improper capitalization, and seemed in an inappropriate supercategory for there. -- Infrogmation 18:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Stop sign light red.svg

At Image:Stop sign light red.svg you asked in an edit summary "Revert, explain why they were removed". My previous edit summary, "Remove redundant supercat" was an explanation, but if it wasn't clear to you I'll explain in more detail: When categorizing an image, we do not need to include "parent categories" or "supercategories" in addition to the relevent category-- meaning categories of which the relevent category are part of. For instance an image of the city of Paris might be properly categorized with "Category:Paris" (or some sub-category, for example of particular neighborhoods or buildings in Paris). You don't need to also add "Category:France", "Category:Europe", and "Category:Earth"; those would be redundant supercategories, since Category:Paris is within Category:France, etc. Likewise, 'Category:Stop signs" is sufficent for an image of a stop sign since "Category Stop signs" is within "Category:Road signs", etc. I hope this is clearer. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 18:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I get it. Da Man2 23:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Image:Nuvola actions help.png

The original PNG

SVG tagged as superseding the PNG

Hello, Da Man2! I reverted the edit because the two images are not exactly the same. The svg is a vector of a similar image, rather than of that particular one: {{Vva}} and {{Superseded}} are only used when an SVG is the exact same as the image that has been tagged. You can see the differences on the right: they are far too dissimilar to warrant a {{Superseded}} tag. If people want an SVG I'm sure they will look in the category for one - as for the fixing of the description, I apologise for reverting that. I'm going to remove the tag again, but keep your fix this time. Thanks! -- Editor at Large • talk 23:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then. I have changed it to {{Vva}}. Da Man2 23:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One version

Another version

The images are completely different: as I said above, both {{Vva}} and {{Superseded}} are only used when an SVG is the exact same as the image that was tagged. A vector version of that image was not available until right now, when I created one (Image:Nuvola actions help.svg). Use of {{Vva}} is warranted in this case, where the svg I created is nearly identical to the original image. However the two images above are not identical in any sense other than that they are blue and have white question marks on them. If people find the png and wish to use a vector image instead, they will look in categories to find a vector version. If we tagged every single png that has a vector that is anything similar we will get far less vectorisations and a lot of confusion as to what image to use. The two CoAs on the left and right are the same one, supposedly; one is more factually correct while the other is more decorative. You wouldn't tag one as superseding the other because they each serve their own purpose. It isn't up to us to decide which image people want to use over the other; all we can do is suggest people use SVGs, create as many of them that are identical to the png/jpg versions as possible, and phase out the png with the identical svg. -- Editor at Large • talk 02:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your bot's edits to {{Test3}} & {{Test4}}

Your bot replaced the good stop hand image with the bad one on {{Test3}} & {{Test4}}. Just letting you know. Da Man2 17:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "bad one" even has gradient effect. How is it "bad"? -- Cat ^chi? 17:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simply horrible compared to the previous one. Da Man2 17:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot comprehend why. What's wrong with the improved one. -- Cat ^chi? 17:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is too bright and the shininess makes it distracting. Da Man2 17:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is supposed to be distracting. That is the point of the image. To take attention. -- Cat ^chi? 17:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, maybe I'll make a new version of the shiny version that has a way better look. Da Man2 17:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome to do that, in the meanwhile would you agree to use the attractive/shiny version? -- Cat ^chi? 18:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New nuvola stop hand image

Just a note; when uploading an image that is significantly different from the former image uploaded to that name, especially if it is an image in a large cohesive set like the Nuvola icons, please consider uploading to a different name. The Nuvola icons are a set on their own and your image is either an edited version of one or a new work, so it should stand alone so people have a choice of using the original nuvola icon or someone's edited version of it. Thanks! -- Editor at Large • talk 18:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But I was making it look better. So I had to keep the name the same way it is. Da Man2 18:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your change was larger than just a tweak or a standard edit like a cropped border; the two can be considered different images because the difference is significant enough. The classic Nuvola icons have that curved highlight on the top, and you moved it to the layer below the hand; with this change it is no longer a classic Nuvola image but one that is just very similar. Nearly identical, but different enough to warrant uploading to a new name. The Nuvola image name should be reserved for the original image. -- Editor at Large • talk 18:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But I did it after asking White Cat if I could make a new one that looks better and he/she said it was fine. And I uploaded under the same name because under its name, its widely used and I want it to look better. Da Man2 18:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine if you want to make a new version that looks better, and yes as White Cat said you are free to make a new one. But please do not replace existing images with your altered versions unless it is a clearcut case of common fixes (background transparency, cropping borders). This affects everyone who chose to use the original image and your changes may not always be welcome or preferred over previous versions. I am going to revert the image to the original version; please do not revert to your version. You are perfectly welcome to upload it to a new image name but don't replace the existing image. Thanks, -- Editor at Large • talk 22:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the original uploader of the nuvola icon already reverted, and uploaded your version here. -- Editor at Large • talk 22:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I specifically requested you not revert the image, but you did so anyway despite my lengthy explanations; I have been patient today and yesterday, but I can't keep reverting and explaining and having nothing come of it. As much as I regret it, if you continue to revert despite being requested not to replace images and revert others' edits in violation of you may be blocked. Thank you. -- Editor at Large • talk 23:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But mine looks a lot better! Why do we need to use the bad one?! Da Man2 23:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you read all the replies I've written on this page today you will see they outline all the reasons. To make it simpler I will listify it for you:

The images are used a lot, and people chose to use the image that was previously located at that image name. They have no choice in what to use if you just upload a new version to the same name.
For the Nuvola icons, the original icon that follows the design guidelines should remain under the original name. These are a part of a set and should stay that way.
Significant changes should always be uploaded to a new image so people can choose.
If you want to change an image that is used a lot, propose your page on the village pump so others can weigh in. Generally, however, it is discouraged as people on other projects (fr.wikipedia, en.wikibooks, it.wiktionary, etc) don't have a chance to decide. They choose the image that was originally uploaded, we have to respect that and leave the image alone for them.
This is a wiki, not your personal site where you can decide how everything should look. On a wiki we operate via community decision, meaning people need to agree. If people oppose what you are doing, step back; take a breather and choose a different route. Either ask on the talk page, or on the village pump, or ask the people involved why they oppose your edits. If you are told why your edits should not be continued or if enough people oppose your edits, you should stop. Think. Read what they say. Continuing to revert just gets people upset and makes them more liable to automatically say "oh no he changed something again, it must be bad".
If you propose things before you make changes, people will be more open to them; and if your edits are opposed, you will save effort both on your part and others' by not wasting energy on uploading and reverting and changing things when people object.

If you continue making changes and reverting things without caring about what others think you are en route to bad results. Please, please listen to what people say, and read their comments, and if someone doesn't like the change you make to their image or if someone tells you it should be uploaded to a different name so both remain available, please respect that. Just as they may not always be right, you might not always be right either; something that looks great to you might not be what others want, and if that is the way things are then that has to be accepted.

Regards, -- Editor at Large • talk 01:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Info icon

I reverted it because the older version had a specifically tweaked background to show up in IE6 and other browsers that don't properly show the SVG; your version does not have a "fixed" background, but a white one. See this test in the sandbox. The SVG is a specific colour and should stay that way as it is a widely used image and is accepted by the community - the png is simply another version of that image and so should remain the same colour as the SVG. You are welcome to create, as before, another version under another name and use that instead. For such widely used images as the stop hands, the png and svg information icons, etc. others should be asked before changes are made, especially when you consider that these images may be used hundreds of times across different language wikipedias and other wikimedia projects. There has already been an issue with the French wikipedia getting upset when one of their frequently used images was changed and made "better"; we want to avoid such issues as much as possible. Thank you for understanding. -- Editor at Large • talk 19:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then I'll make the background the correct colour for the template(s) that it is used on. Da Man2 19:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can't make an image that is used on hundreds of pages "the correct colour for the templates it is used on". Some templates are white, some are blue, some are yellow or brown or purple. And the transparency issue is not the only one; as I stated above, this image is widely used across many wikimedia projects and community consensus should be gained before changes are made. Also, as I stated above, this png is a copy of the SVG for use where transparency issues may cause problems (such as templates). Please do not replace this image again without further discussion. Thank you. -- Editor at Large • talk 22:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Announcement

I have an anncouncement to make. You know Yung6, who reviews images from Flickr that are by the user Free6Man, right? Well, I am Free6Man at Flickr and me and Yung6 are really good friends in real life. And I know he's currently blocked, but if he's reading this, I just want to let him know:

You do not need to review my Flickr images. I will post them here myself.

I just wanted the Wikimedians to know. Da Man2 23:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Thegame2005.jpg

Do not use Flickr to commit copyright infringement on Commons. This image was the same as [1], only with the AP watermark cut off. -- Bryan (talk to me) 14:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, deny that it is my picture if you want. Da Man2 18:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Rickross.jpg

It is important to assume good faith on wikimedia projects, however, it seemed quite clear to me that you were not the author of this picture, so I deleted it. Please do not make false copyright claims. Thanks, Yonatan ^talk 14:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was my picture. Da Man2 18:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock

Unblock request declined

This blocked user asked to be unblocked, but one or more administrators has reviewed and declined this request. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. Other administrators can also review this block, but should not override the decision without discussion.

Request reason: "I simply have the same IP as Yung6, but am not him. Da Man2 20:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)"

Decline reason: "In practice this has been confirmed by the checkuser investigation that a number of accounts behaving in a similar way are operating from one IP as such I am not prepared to unblock you or the IP. I will consider shortening the block in the next few days although it would still be for quite a period --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)"[reply]

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User talk:Da Man2

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User talk:Pilecka

Stop signs

Image:Stop sign light red.svg

Re: Image:Nuvola actions help.png

Your bot's edits to {{Test3}} & {{Test4}}

New nuvola stop hand image

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Image:Thegame2005.jpg

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New nuvola stop hand image

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