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Joke

Künefe for you.

Hi. Time to smile a bit. Thanks for finding out the File:Physical Anthropologists with 17 and a half Foot Long Beard.jpg and using it as example for false beards. If I had seen it before by chance probably I would not notice the title and ask myself why this pic was not in some sausage cat. :) Take care, all the best. --E4024 (talk) 11:08, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@E4024: You think that one's false? I thought it was real -- think Robert Ripley saving the evidence for one of his Believe It or Not stories -- but maybe you're right. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
No idea. When I was writing this it passed through my mind, "is false the correct word"? Of course I'm not a native speaker of English. In Turkish I can say "takma sakal", "yapay sakal" (artificial) or "sahte sakal" (false) etc but cannot translate them. Take "takma" as something (beard) real but does not belong to the person who wears it. Remember the Oscar Wilde Christmas story where she sold her hair and he had bought her a... "toka" in Turkish! (I'm getting old and losing my lousy English. :) "Really". --E4024 (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
I mean O. Henry. You see?! :) --E4024 (talk) 12:53, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Tu passas-te? ;-)

Now this is unexpected. I’d revert it if it had been done by pretty much anyone else, but was this an oversight on your part? Or it’s something I’m failing to grasp? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 05:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: It was already in Category:Cities in Portugal by name. In fact, there were about 50 or so named cities under Category:Cities in Portugal: I moved them all to Category:Cities in Portugal by name, which probably just had the effect of removing them from the parent category if they were already in both. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Night in Iran by city


Hello. Thank you for modifying classes.
Do you have this access to create Category (Night In Qom)?
I have many photos related to this category.
I've translated this text with google.
I'm sorry if it's not clear. (Mostafa Meraji 12:59, 28 January 2018 (UTC))
I have many photos with the theme (night in Qom)

Thank you if it is possible to create this category.
(Mostafa Meraji 12:59, 28 January 2018 (UTC))

File:DcvfThank-you-1.jpg

Are you sure it's a font/typeface? It is text intended as artwork, and hand drawn by an artist. The image is meant to be seen as a "whole unit", and not broken into letters for recombination/reproduction.  Senator2029 ➔ “Talk”  08:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

OK, you're right. I apologize: I missed the fact that it was hand-drawn. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:26, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

please see

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Forum#Hilfe Thx Hystrix (talk) 16:08, 10 February 2018 (UTC) Könntest Du mir bitte Deine heutigen Änderungen erklären. Hystrix (talk) 16:32, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Too tired

Hi, Auntof. Can I ask you some help? Category:Alumni of Turkish Naval War Academy (created last month) is naturally a duplication of Category:Alumni of the Turkish Naval Academy (created in 2012). Can you try to correct some of the many mistakes around the Turkish Navy, like this categorization, as I saw you doing something like that just yesterday? For example, a structural mistake is to assume that Turkish Navy and The Turkish Naval Forces are the same thing. In Turkey we have a Commander (Commander-in-Chief) of the Turkish Naval Forces (Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanı) and a Commander of the Navy (Donanma Komutanı). The latter is a subordinate of the former and the two commanders' offices are in different cities. (Turkish VP has an article for each, namely "Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri" and "Donanma Komutanlığı", one of its subdivisions.) Indeed lately we have had many more confusions in the area concerning the Turkish Armed Forces, but of course I don't "own" the Commons and cannot impose anything to other users. Maybe it will be better for me to stay away from this area for some time, but I'm afraid in the future again it will have to be me who will feel a responsibility to clean up the pile of mistakes, in case I'm still around. Anyhow, if you wish to help Commons there you are, I personally do not need any. Nor give me advices please, simply forget this if you so wish. --E4024 (talk) 14:14, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

What kind of help would you like? I'm not qualified to determine which part of the Turkish armed forces apply to a given file or category. I think I was just fixing what I thought were duplicate categories. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

ENGVAR

I'm slowly getting through the NY categories adding (state). I'm coming across a few titles that make me feel uneasy like Category:Railway museums in New York (state) or Category:Automobiles in New York. The first is not US English, the second is. In both cases: Automobiles in NY looks fine, Railway museums in NY looks bonkers. The equivalent categories for the UK have similar titles, but are the opposite way round in terms of appearance.

I think Commons should let go of that standardisation. Neutral, if awkward, terms may exist (Rail transport museums) that can be used at global level, but the regional ones should use appropriate regional terms. As for automobiles, why the hell don't we just use car?--Nilfanion (talk) 07:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Nilfanion: What's wrong with "Railway museums" for US English? Is it because the US uses "railroad" more? There are other categories where subcats use regional terms (gas stations under petrol stations, streetcars under trams), so I don't see a problem with using "railroad" here (if that's what you were thinking).
As far as "automobiles" and why we don't use "car", maybe it's because "car" is somewhat ambiguous (it can also mean a train car or streetcar, at least in the US). I don't know, though: I've gotten so used to the more international terminology in various areas that it all makes sense to me. If you really want to find out why we don't use "car", just name a category that way and see who objects! --Auntof6 (talk) 08:38, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
It seems better to use the regional variants for regional topics. For the US, while railroad is obviously more recognised term, railway probably isn't too bad. In the UK, railroad would look ridiculous.
At the more mundane level, when US and UK use -er and -re endings respectively (like for center/centre), the categories should match regional usage not each other. There will be hundreds of those of course.
Car vs automobile, yeah car is more ambiguous. But Category:Cars when already points to automobiles and someone uploading a car which isn't an automobile will know its not just a "car"...
I'm asking your opinion here, rather than going to CFD, because we know how deserted CFD is.--Nilfanion (talk) 08:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker) «It seems better to use the regional variants for regional topics.» It does? What about categories about regions where English is not spoken? It’s unpleaseant to witness that, while all of us non-English speakers are more or less happy to defer to English for the common good, you guys cannot agree on detail matters such as this (still waiting for you decision about grey/gray, b.t.w.). Of course standardisation (or standardization) is the only way to go. That’s what we do here in Commons: We standardize: Let’s do it. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 11:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Using petrol stations in Germany for the sake of standardisation is more logical than using petrol stations in the United States. For Germany - Its not wrong in the local language, its in a different language. The best sort of standardisation is to find neutral terms on ENGVAR (aircraft not airplane, not aeroplane). eg Filling station works instead of gas station or petrol station. With things like spelling, ENGVAR would say the global (and all non-English locations) should adopt the same spelling as one of the two variants. But that does NOT mean imposing the "wrong" spelling on the area it isn't used.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

File:Profil zaufany logo.svg

@Auntof6: - could you shortly explain why do you removed Category:Government of Poland or renamed it to something similar in Commons standards, please? This is government country level - not regional or city level. I'am asking only :) My explanations you will see at the discussion page of this item. --Jasc PL (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC)--Jasc PL (talk) 16:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jasc PL: Certainly.
Let me know if you would like any more information. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Raspberry Pi

@Auntof6: Thanks for your explanations - I'am completely satisfied :), but... I need now and will need help. 80% of my time I spent in Wikidata, 15% in Polish Wikipedia, so for I'am unable to starting 3'rd project now and learn all necessary docs in Commons. Simply, I need Commons for WD items editions, and if media I need don't exist I must upload them. Now I will try to upload a set of Raspberry Pi logos, the next will be various Pi model images - full descriptions I will make later, but I'am unable to properly categorized and licensed (CC BY-SA (attribution and share-alike)) them. Could you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasc PL (talk • contribs) 13:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC) Once more: can I create subgallery in gallery eg.: print size > color | mono > black | grey | white ? --Jasc PL (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Sooo... all (48) files are uploaded, properly marked (I hope) and visible on the Category:Raspberry Pi logo page, but... I have no idea what content should be in category page "Raspberry Pi logo" I have created, how to link it with proper hierarchy and why it's not visible in main category page Category:Raspberry Pi. By the way, I think that it will be a good idea to rename "Raspberry Pi logo" to "Raspberry Pi logos"
So for nothing is external linked (category, gallery) - I will link only some logos to Wikidata --Jasc PL (talk) 18:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jasc PL: It looks like Category:Raspberry Pi logo contains everything it needs to, but the galleries shouldn't be there. You can create a separate gallery page for that. Just be sure that the category is on each individual file (I checked only a couple of them). I don't think there's such a thing as subgalleries, but you can put sections on the gallery page like you currently have on the category page. If you want, you can also create subcategories for the different groupings you show with the galleries.
I agree that the category name should be plural. I can move it to the plural name if you want, so that you don't have to manually change everything.
One last thing: many logos are copyrighted. Do you have authorization to upload these here? --Auntof6 (talk) 20:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@Auntof6:
@Jasc PL: I renamed the logo category to make he name plural. I also created the gallery page Raspberry Pi logos and moved the galleries there. I will have to take your word for how the categories and subcategories should be organized, but let me know if you'd like me to move Category:Raspberry Pi application and accessories to Category:Raspberry Pi accessories. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@Auntof6: Great, OK - you could do it now. I move existing files to right places, and then I will link category Cases under it. In the next step, I will create new categories: shields, cameras... - but when I upload needful pictures. --Jasc PL (talk) 00:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jasc PL: Done. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@Auntof6: Many thanks for your recent help and cooperation. Now, I'am waiting for answer from Raspberry Pi. I would like to contact also some commercial producers of Raspberry Pi's accessories, equipment, add-ons - asking them for a good quality photos of their products, but.. What if they can't making available their resources with any kind of CC license? Should I ask them for any write permissions, statements? What is a good solution and Commons policy in that situations? --Jasc PL (talk) 13:58, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
OK, I'am reading now some concerning help pages, including Commons:Permission, I hope that answers my last question. --Jasc PL (talk) 14:58, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Metacats

Re [1] - I came across {{Metacat}} yesterday, and it seemed appropriate here, since the category only contains other categories, and ideally should be empty with unidentified ones at Category:Radio telescopes. So that seemed to follow Commons:Naming_categories#Categories_by_CRITERION. But I'm clearly missing something, can you point me in the right direction please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: It is true that a metacat contains only other categories, but the categories it contains are for things grouped by a criterion that is specified in the category name. An example is Category:Telescopes by country. That category name says "by country" (which is used as a short way of saying "grouped by country"), and each subcat there is for telescopes in one country.
There are other templates that can say that a category should contain only other categories. However, those are used based on what a category can contain, not what it does contain. Category:Radio telescopes in Poland might have only categories right now, but that might not always be true. It could contain files for different reasons: there might not be enough files for a specific telescope to make a separate category, there could be an image of a radio telescope in Poland that hasn't been identified, or there could be something that applies to multiple Polish radio telescopes (such as a book about all of them). Those things aren't there now, but they would fit in the category if they existed.
I hope that helps. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Aah, thanks, that makes more sense now. So it's "... by country", rather than "... in <country>" that counts as a meta category. It's more meta than I thought. :-) Thanks for the explanation. Mike Peel (talk) 21:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
You got it! :) --Auntof6 (talk) 21:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. I've had long correspondence on just this subject with another editor where I wanted the particular image(s) to be categorised (as well as another category for the current tenant) under the name of the builder and occupier for much more than 100 years. I was told I was history or something. Now, having indicated my sympathy with you, do you mind if I add back the category Wells Fargo buildings? Eddaido (talk) 07:35, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Eddaido: There's no need to do that because the category Category:Union Trust Company Building 744 Market Street is already in Category:Wells Fargo buildings. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Snow in Taiwan

I noticed your edits to Category:Snow in Taiwan. I live in Taiwan and thus I know it only snow in winter. In addition, as per Köppen climate classification Taiwan has a tropical monsoon climate. Especially, I am "very" interested in the geography of Taiwan, and I read a lot of books, academic journals, research papers, theses and dissertations. Not only have I been to many of the pulic libraries and university libraries in Taiwan, but also visit the Central Weather Bureau, the Central Geological Survey, the Yushan National Park Headquarters...etc.--Kai3952 (talk) 03:02, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kai3952: I understand what you're saying. I might agree if it were a "snowing" category (something under Category:Snowing), which is for images of active snowfall. However, this category is for the substance snow itself, whether it's falling, already on the ground, or in any other situation. It could be outside of winter for various reasons:
  • It might have fallen in winter, but not been photographed until spring.
  • It might have been brought to Taiwan from somewhere else. People do that for various reasons: for people to play in, to provide enrichment for zoo animals.
  • It might have been artificially created, such as for a ski slope.
When determining how to categorize a category, you have to think about what the category name allows for, not just about what is already in the category or what people might assume belongs in it. Therefore, I think that either the winter category needs to be removed or this category needs to be renamed somehow. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Do you mean to tell me: "Winter is a concept of time which means it can only represent the Taiwanese time from December to February"?--Kai3952 (talk) 08:49, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Kai3952: December through March, actually, since we're talking Northern Hemisphere. People often think of winter as being whatever part of the year is coldest, but officially it starts at the Winter Solstice and ends at the Spring Equinox. If we didn't have a common understanding of the timeframe, it wouldn't be meaningful to have categories for the seasons at all. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:25, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't understand what you said. What do you want to say?--Kai3952 (talk) 09:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
You asked if winter lasts from November to February. It doesn't. It starts at the Winter Solstice (which is in late December) and ends at the Vernal Equinox (which is in late March). --Auntof6 (talk) 09:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
No, what I'm asking is: Do you mean to tell me that it doesn't necessarily snow during winter, and it is only suitable as a "time concept", like you said, it starts at the Winter Solstice (which is in late December) and ends at the Vernal Equinox (which is in late March)?--Kai3952 (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) There are several different definitions of the seasons, used in different contexts. The one in which the boundaries are on the solstices & equinoxes is astronomical: in the celestial coördinate system, longitude and right ascension are measured from the March equinox. However, traditional solar calendars often centre the seasons around those points. In particular, and most relevantly, in the traditional Chinese calendar the “Winter Begins“ solar term falls around November 7, and “Spring Begins“ around February 4. Meteorologists tend to put the transitions somewhere in between, often conveniently defining winter to comprise the calendar months from December through February.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Odysseus1479: Yes. In Taiwan, we define winter as the period from December to February, but it is not a "formal" usage. Now, I care about is: If "Category:Winter in XXX" (XXX means countries or areas) is not suitable for use, why is it that Wikimedia.Commons are still so commonly used by many people?--Kai3952 (talk) 16:41, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Additionally, Taiwan may still be cold weather(including cold spells and cold waves) in March and April, and it is also possible in December and January that the weather is hot like "summer".--Kai3952 (talk) 17:19, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
  • @Auntof6 and Odysseus1479: Sorry, I mistaken November as December, because their spelling is similar. Please forgive my carelessness. In addition, while writing I often get confused between "November" and "December," but I corrected my previous edits. See: [2]--Kai3952 (talk) 18:11, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Auntof6: You still haven't told me what you want to do.--Kai3952 (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@Kai3952: My opinion hasn't changed since what I said above: "I think that either the winter category needs to be removed or this category needs to be renamed somehow." --Auntof6 (talk) 02:42, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Although I agree with what you said, I think it would be nice to get a "consensus" from more people. Look at Category:Winter by country, there are 87 countries with the same problem.--Kai3952 (talk) 11:57, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@Kai3952: I didn't mean that all winter categories should be deleted. I meant that either the winter category should be removed from Category:Snow in Taiwan, or that Category:Snow in Taiwan should be renamed to something that really applies only to winter. I prefer the first option, because I don't think there's anything about snow or snowfall that we can say will always be only in winter: there could be freak weather conditions that cause unusual weather. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) There may be some difficulty with defining "winter". There is much less of a difficulty with defining "snow". It is possible for snow to fall during the summer in temperate climates. It is easy to find snow on the ground all year round: The Alps will have some snow on their peaks in July, and Kilimanjaro doesn't even have a "winter" but does certainly have snow on its usmmit. Snow is NOT something that is winter only.--Nilfanion (talk) 17:50, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
That's the problem that I have outlined at Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/04/Category:Seasons by year, I agree that Winter may be useful, but it is ambiguous and open to interpretation of the particular user, "January ..." or "Snow in ..." would work better for most of these IMO. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
@Auntof6: Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant with the quote. But I think Nilfanion's explanation is much clearer than yours. I know that you want me to remove "Category:Winter in Taiwan," but you didn't tell me what it applies to. If I do what you say, then it will become an empty category.--Kai3952 (talk) 11:16, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
@Kai3952: Yes, Category:Winter in Taiwan would be empty. Category:Seasons in Taiwan would be effectively empty, too. When empty, they should be deleted. But that's OK: if there is ever anything to put into them, they could be created again. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:21, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
No, I think, Category:Winter should also be deleted. And as Nilfanion said, the climate is not equal to the season. If this issue is directed against "Taiwan," then I will think it is unreasonable and refuse to accept you said.--Kai3952 (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
We are talking here about Taiwan, because you objected specifically to the changes I made to the Taiwan category. However, I made similar changes to other categories: I removed winter categories from other snow categories, so the issue isn't just for Taiwan. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:55, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
I find it increasingly difficult to believe what you say. As you said, you are talking about Taiwan. This seems like it is targeting Taiwan or specific people. If you don't care about "Category:Winter," then why should I believe you?--Kai3952 (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. If you look at other changes I made around the same time as the change I made to the Taiwan category, you will see that I made similar changes to categories related to many places. You can see these changes in my changes from April 23: look at the changes before 9:03 UTC. So I was not and am not targeting Taiwan. In this conversation we are talking about Taiwan because your question was about my change to a Taiwan category.

I don't think I said that I don't care about Category:Winter. I don't know what I said that might have made you think that. The only thing I can think of is when I mentioned removing winter categories. When I talked about removing those categories, I meant taking them off of other categories. I did not mean to get rid of them. I think that winter categories should exist, but I don't think they should be on snow categories.

I wonder if we are having a language problem. If something I said made you think I wanted to get rid of winter categories, then there's some communication problem. Maybe we can find someone fluent in both of our languages to help us. My main language is English. What language do you prefer? --Auntof6 (talk) 11:47, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

I have no obligation to spend more time on "you." Because everyone has their own thing to do, and should not cause problems(or troubled) for others. You really need to improve "your attitude" if you want to discuss things productively. I think it would be nice to get a "consensus" from more people.--Kai3952 (talk) 12:54, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

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Question about categories

Hello, I have a question about Category:Bridges in Pakistan by location category and many others like it. For me it would be better to also add a Bridges in Pakistan category for persons who cannot hunt through the different locations for a bridge (or a mountain and so many others). Some categories of Pakistan also have a general category which makes it so much better, especially as Pakistan has so many variations of the same name; sometimes I just want the correct spelling (or the spelling used on the Commons).

The search function on the commons does not work well to find a bridge, lake, mountain etc. that may well have a category, but the user does not know which one or the preferred Commons spelling. I find this problem frequently and it is frustrating; I often give up (or worse, create a useless category that then gets subsumed under the "location" category at best or must be deleted etc. (There do not seem to be many redirects for alternative spellings on the Commons.) I have learned to keep a text file for categories of problematic spellings of categories, but it has become very long and now is bothersome in its own right.

Do you have any other suggestions for me? Thanks, Kalbbes (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I've tried to remedy the problem by adding categories like "Rivers in Pakistan", "Bridges in Pakistan" etc. to all the categories that were put in "by location", "by function", "by type, etc. You also did this with places, so that we would have to know the exact location of an image before we can assign it a category. So I'm working on remedying this by adding a super category to all these hidden categories so that they can be found easily. It will take me a while, but in the end it will save me and many others much time and frustration. Hopefully you understand the problem caused by subsuming categories into subcategories so that they are hidden to those of us who categorize images. I notice that you primarily do this kind of work, looking at your edit stats. I plead with you to consider the effect of hiding categories on the rest of us in you future work. Thanks, Kalbbes (talk) 00:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@Kalbbes: That is overcategorizing and violates this part of the policy on categories. One way around it, at least partly, would be to create a new category, Category:Bridges in Pakistan by name. That category could contain categories for individual named bridges in Pakistan. It could not contain individual files or categories that are not the actual names of bridges (such as Category:Bridge over Kutton waterfall, which describes the bridge but doesn't name it). You can see an example of this with Category:Bridges in Japan by name, where bridges are included individually but are each also in location categories. If that wouldn't work, then I think this needs a general discussion between more than just you and me. In any case, these categories cannot stay in two places in the same branch of the category tree. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:23, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the problem. Japan is completely different country than Pakistan. Those of us working on Pakistan don't have a problem with each other or the way we categorize. It's just when someone that doesn't work on Pakistan images comes in from the outside and imposes a "policy" that apparently is now being "violated" because we tried to made the working conditions possible for ourselves. But I give up. I don't think you will ever understand. Best, Kalbbes (talk) 02:11, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@Kalbbes: Policies are for all areas. Pakistan isn't the only place with similar or confusing names. If you feel you need an exception to the policy, you are free to start a discussion about it in an appropriate place (I'm not sure where that would be). Otherwise, I'll take the individual categories back out of the higher-level category(ies). --Auntof6 (talk) 02:26, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
I can see it was a mistake to say anything to you. Your suggestions are not helpful but merely add more barriers. For example, it's a rare bridge in Pakistan that has a formal name. There are very few sources for accurately categorizing Pakistan images; there are no longer even travel guides or maps in English, since where I live that country is considered too dangerous to visit. And the maps offered on this site are useless for Pakistan. When I go through the so-called "uncategorized" images or those dumped into "Pakistan" category, I remove as many as 25 unnecessary cats, put there by a bot I think. You should worry about that more that reversing what we actually doing the categorizing for Pakistan images find helpful. Kalbbes (talk) 12:08, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

your reverts on village categories in austria

Hi Auntof6, thanks for caring. The idea is to sort images to village categories or (if no village category does exist) to the parent municipality. As the green box says: Bitte sortieren Sie die Bilder direkt in die entsprechende Ortschaftskategorie ein, nicht hier in die Hauptkategorie, gemäß Commons:Kategorien. regards --Herzi Pinki (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@Herzi Pinki: If you want the village categories to contain only other categories, they need to be named differently, with "by name" at the end of the category name. An example of a category like that is Category:Villages in Ukraine by name. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:41, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
{{MetaCat}} says: {{CatCat}} – Used when a category should only contain other categories, but is not part of a Meta-categorization schema of 'XXX by YYY' form.. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 09:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
@Herzi Pinki: Yes. What I'm saying is that these categories can contain files, because the category names don't indicate that they should have only categories. They should have neither metacat nor catcat. Some 'XXX by YYY' categories are not metacats, especially some "by name" categories. Examples: Category:Hotels by name is a metacat, because it groups hotels that have the same name. Category:People by name is not a metacat, because the subcategories are each for only one person. If the village categories are renamed to include "by name" at the end, they would not be metacats. I know this can be confusing because it isn't consistent. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:01, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Can you please change the doc of {{MetaCat}} accordingly? --Herzi Pinki (talk) 11:03, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Category:Snow in Taitung County

Please take a look at your edits, why change to "Category:Taitung County"? Is there any problem with "Category:Nature of Taitung"?--Kai3952 (talk) 21:28, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Could you explain why?--Kai3952 (talk) 13:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Is "Taitung" the same as "Taitung County"? I may have been thinking that Taitung was a city in the county, but I see that the cats for the city all specify city. I have no objection to putting the nature category back. --Auntof6 (talk) 15:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
I know, someone once said to me(see: Mattbuck's answer. In the administrative system of Taiwan, "City" has three meanings:
  • Special municipality: Taipei, New Taipei, Taichung...etc.
  • Provincial city: Keelung, Hsinchu, Chiayi...etc.
  • County-controlled city: Changhua, Hualien, Taitung...etc.
The issue is that we are used to translating as "City" in English. If we want to distinguish them, what advice do you have?--Kai3952 (talk) 19:58, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot to say--what you say is happening in this case("County-controlled city"). The term "County-controlled city" means the city's administration is under the county government. Just like you see "Taitung", it has two meanings: "Taitung County" and "Taitung City". It is true that there is the same name but not the same nature("nature" means its administrative level). There is no need to create "Category:Nature of Taitung County" and "Category:Nature of Taitung City" to distinguish them, as we don't need to over-categorization.--Kai3952 (talk) 20:43, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Muni historical bus fleet

Why are you removing buses from this category? All five that you removed are preserved for historical purposes, and at least three of the five (4154, 4574, 5300) regularly appear at Muni Heritage Weekend. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

As far as I know, the historic fleet consists of the old-design streetcars that run on Market Street and the Embarcadero. Is that not correct (keeping in mind that being a former part of Muni's fleet doesn't mean it's officially part of the historic fleet)? --Auntof6 (talk) 04:43, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Muni's historic fleet also includes a number of preserved former Muni buses (unlike the historic streetcars, they only preserve buses that actually ran in SF). Almost every bus model since the 1940s has at least preserved unit, although they are not used in regular revenue service like the streetcars are. All of the individual buses listed in the "Preserved Unit(s)" column here are preserved specifically for historical purposes, which is why I had them in Category:Buses of the San Francisco Municipal Railway historic fleet, as opposed to Category:Former buses of the San Francisco Municipal Railway which is for all buses that formerly ran in SF regardless of preservation status. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
OK, I'm sorry. I'll undo the changes I made. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:25, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
No worries. My apologies if I came off aggressively in my initial message - I did't mean to be accusatory, and you seem to be a very reliable categorizer all told. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

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Renaming photograph Categories by year

Hi there. Was there any reason to rename the categories like this edit? These type of categories with this type of naming at very common here. See Category:Photographs by country by year. Is there any community decision not use it any longer? -- DerFussi 06:05, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@DerFussi: Yes, there is a reason. The vast majority of the files at Commons are photographs, so it's a de facto default: that means that photographs don't need to be in a "photographs" category unless there's a specific reason for it. The categories that have the word "photographs" in their names are usually reserved for a special kind of use that's described by the text in the {{Photographs}} template: I think of it as "photographs by characteristic".
As for the specific diff you mention, that category contained subcategories like Category:2008 photographs of Cambodia (and similar categories for other years). Those categories didn't contain things that the photographs categories are used for, so I moved the contents to other categories. For example, things in Category:2008 photographs of Cambodia were moved to Category:2008 in Cambodia. (I've been doing this for multiple countries, and in most cases there were already files in the "year in country" categories that weren't apparently different from those in the "photographs" category.) In some cases, these moves were done by changing templates that assign categories, such as Template:Cambodiaphotomonthyear.
This whole topic confuses a lot of people because they see the word "photographs" in a category name, think "I'm uploading a photograph, so my file must belong there ", and upload their file to a category where it doesn't belong. There is an open discussion about this at Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/11/Category:Photographs. There's pretty much a consensus that the category names need to be clearer, but not exactly what the names should be.
I hope that answers your question. If not, feel free to ask more. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. The reason is clear to me. I used these categories (and created them) because it was common here to do it. Actually it was a kind of burden to me. Putting files into time categories manually is medieval. It's in the exif data. The Category Cambodia should be enough and the software should be able to create a list of 2018 photographs of Cambodia automatically. Thats what a media repository software should be able to do. Creating categories like Category:Thailand photographs taken on 2018-03-16 manually is... sorry....sick (but i have done it). I've created some own user templates thats puts it to the time and location categories (if they exist) to reduce the work a bit. But actually I am waiting for a wiki v2.0 (that will probably never come). Thanks for the explanation. I will have an eye on it and follow it when I do my next uploads. Fortunately I just need to adapt my own date template to move all my images, if needed. -- DerFussi 06:56, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Changing category:Justice building into Justice

Hello Auntof6, I've seen your revert, from "Justice building" to "Justice".

But at the page Category:Justice there is {{CatDiffuse}} and it is written at the top of the category there is too much files which should be moved to a subcategory. That was what I've done : when we look at the picture, we seen a building. Don't you think I was right to move the file to "Justice building" ? --Papa6 (talk) 11:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@Papa6: You didn't move it to "Justice building" or even "Justice buildings", you moved it to "Justice Building". See the difference? In the one you moved it to, both words are capitalized. That's because it's the name of one specific building, a building in Canada. The file you changed appears to be for a building in Algeria. So, no, I don't think that move should have been done. There are other general categories for buildings that have to do with justice, such as Category:Courthouses. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:54, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Category:USembassy miscelleanous events

You've (appropriately) put a {{Category for discussion}} tag on Category:USembassy miscelleanous events but you don't seem to have created the linked discussion. - Jmabel ! talk 15:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jmabel: It's there. Are you seeing a red link? Maybe you need to refresh your cache. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Weird. Link still shows red, but if I click through it's fine. Thanks. - Jmabel ! talk 22:23, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks to you, I discovered my misclick using cat-a-lot (concernes Category:Photographs by photographer from the Netherlands. 100 are corrected now. --Havang(nl) (talk) 11:29, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@Havang(nl): You're welcome. I found those because I regularly check to see if there are files in any metacats. --Auntof6 (talk) 11:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Вікі любить пам'ятки 2018 в Україні

Вітаємо!

1 вересня вже традиційно стартувала українська частина міжнародного фотоконкурсу «Вікі любить пам'ятки»! До 30 вересня включно Ви можете подавати власні фото пам'яток історико-культурної спадщини України — і змагатися за призи. Цього року є трохи змін у правилах конкурсу:

  • фотографії пам'яток, для яких на момент початку конкурсу (відповідно до відомої Організаційному комітету інформації) не було жодної ілюстрації на Вікісховищі або у Вікіпедії, отримують коефіцієнт рівний 7 (для кожної пам'ятки);
  • фотографії автоматично вантажаться у категорію, яка бере учать у номінації за найбільшу кількість сфотографованих об'єктів, для того, щоб фото позмагалося у номінації за найкраще фото потрібно вибрати необхідні налаштування у завантажувачі;
  • окремо буде нагороджено десять конкурсантів-новачків (тобто таких, які ще не брали участі у попередніх конкурсах «Вікі любить пам'ятки» в Україні), які сфотографували найбільше пам'яток.

Також у конкурсі є спецномінація банерів для статей у Вікімандрах, детальніше за посиланням.

Приєднуйтеся! Зі списками пам'яток можна ознайомитися тут. Більше інформації про конкурс дивіться у блозі конкурсу. Якщо у Вас є запитання, можете звертатися wlm@wikimedia.org.ua – З повагою, Оргкомітет «Вікі любить пам'ятки» 23:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

File:HA Neuhaus Mappe1 Militaria Kays Königl Generalitäts... 1817.jpg

Hello, Auntof6. Would you be so kind to help me to describe this picture and help me to put it into the correct Categories? I do not really know what that is exactly named nor what this is. But I am very sure, that some people will see it. I am sorry, normally I speak german, my English is not very well. Greetings from Linz, Austria. Zabia (talk) 15:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Zabia: I'm sorry, but I can't identify anything in it. Are you looking for categories for a particular subject area? A good place to ask for help is Commons:Village pump. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much, I will do it. 04:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Regions of peru

Hi, Auntof6! To create a navigation by regions of Peru, you can also use the metatemplate Template:Navigation by/administrative division. This saves you from having to enter all the region names manually in the template, and it also displays all region names translated to the user's language.

For example, you could create a Template:Navigation by regions of Peru like this: 

<includeonly><onlyinclude>{{Navigation by|administrative division
 | item = Q419
 | level = children
 | pattern = {{{pattern|<<region>>}}}
 | redlinks = {{{redlinks|yes}}}
 | style = {{{style|box}}}
}}</onlyinclude></includeonly>{{Documentation|content={{Navigation by/templatedoc|variable=state|pattern=Buildings in <<region>>}}}}

[[Category:Category navigational templates for Peru|Regions of Peru]]
[[Category:Internationalised navigational templates|Regions of Peru]]
[[Category:Regions of Peru|~Navigation]]

That template can then be used like this: {{Navigation by regions of Peru|pattern=Buildings in <<region>>}}

This could help to save you some work when creating such navigation bars. --Reinhard Müller (talk) 08:45, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Reinhard Müller: Thanks -- I'll definitely try that if I create such a template.
It seems like the flag at the left of the output of templates that use that template take up a lot of room. Can it be reformatted somehow? --Auntof6 (talk) 12:33, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
The flag currently is formatted with 50px width, I took this suggestion from Template:Navbox. It looks good on my computer screen, but I guess it might be too big for a mobile device. What would you think is a good width? --Reinhard Müller (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
My preference would be no flag, or a tiny flag in the heading. Otherwise, it makes the box take up more vertical space than necessary. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:35, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
I've looked at a few other navigation boxes, especially such based on Template:Navbox, and many of them seem to use a graphic either left or right inside the box. I'm by no means a professional designer, but I always felt that such a graphical element makes the overall appearance of such a box more attractive. I now made it smaller so the box should now not take significantly more vertical space than without it. --Reinhard Müller (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
It still takes up more room than necessary, at least on the mobile device I'm using. I haven't had a chance yet to see what it looks like on my laptop. Looking at just the example that displays on the template itself, there should be room to display all the states of Austria on one line, but the space taken up by the flag, including the wide white space to the left and right, forces them to use two lines. When I look at Template:Presidents of the United States, the graphic does not have these wide margins.
Another issue may be that I'm looking for something to use on categories, not on gallery pages where a lot of these seem to be used. On a category, you want to use as little vertical space as possible so that you don't have to scroll past too much to get to the actual category entries. The templates we've been discussing do indeed look nice, but I prefer minimal use of space on category pages. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:30, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Strange. The only white space I can see to the left and right is what results in the line break, when I change the browser window width so that all items just fit into one line, there's virtually no white space to the left and right.
The template actually is designed to be used on category pages. I do agree that we should not waste space on the top of category pages, but I think that a single line is not a high price for a more appealing design :-) --Reinhard Müller (talk) 08:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Maybe it just doesn't display well on mobile devices. (The one I'm using, by the way, is an eight-inch Kindle Fire.) I'll try to check on my laptop in the next few days, but I'm not likely to use that format while it looks like that on my tablet. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:35, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Out of curiosity: do you use the mobile view or the desktop view? I thought that the Template:Navbox is by design completely suppressed in the mobile view. --Reinhard Müller (talk) 09:35, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I use the desktop view. What I see on Template:Navigation by/administrative division, to explain more completely, is the flag centered in the left half of the box, and the list of states centered in the right half (across two lines because there isn't space for them all on one line). --Auntof6 (talk) 09:57, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Reinhard Müller: I emailed you the screenshot you wanted. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:52, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

My apologies

I accidentally did a rollback on a recent edit of yours. Thankfully Bidgee noticed my mistake and corrected my error. My apologies, I am not sure how the rollback happened. —RP88 (talk) 10:00, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

No worries -- I've done the same thing several times! Thanks for letting me know. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Why ?

Why do yo cancel this important category? here and here. DenghiùComm (talk) 18:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@DenghiùComm: Looking at those changes now, I don't know why I removed that category. The only guess I have is that the category was getting added by something else, so I didn't think it needed to be hardcoded. Many times recently I've seen either the creator template or the Wikidata infobox add categories: maybe it was something like that, and the underlying data or code changed after I removed the category. I can't tell now, but I agree that the category needs to be there one way or another. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:16, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Quick question

Aloha! Why did you remove the cat here? Just curious. --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 03:26, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

@Hedwig in Washington: Category:African American history by location is a metacat so the file doesn't belong there. The logical place to move the file to would be Category:African American history, but it's already in a subcat of that (Category:African American history of the 1920s), so I just removed the metacat. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
m( I didn't notice the meta cat part. I knew you had a good reason. Thanks for cleaning up! yes --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 06:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
@Hedwig in Washington: No problem. I'm always happy to explain why I did something. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 07:37, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Cats with “by (property)” in their name are almost always meta, whether tagged as such or not.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 18:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Bad primary topics

I have created a list of some really bad ones at User:Crouch, Swale/Bad primary topics. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

San Francisco

I've seen lately that you've been categorizing a lot of images from Category:San Francisco. Don't think it's gone unnoticed or unappreciated! Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535: Thanks for noticing and mentioning it! So far I've only done easy ones, but I'm going to keep working on them. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Feel free to ping me if you have trouble identifying any - I'm usually pretty good at ferreting out the tricky ones. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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