Template talk:Focus stacked image
Description of the subject
[edit]I don’t understand the purpose of this parameter: is it to indicate eg « focus-stack of insect » vs « focus-stack of electronics »? If so, feels to me that it should be fairly obvious from the picture itself :) And it makes things much much harder to translate − both for switching to Translate-backed translation ; and even in the end-result where the subject would not be translated either (which breaks the flow for anything except proper nouns).
Cheers, Jean-Fred (talk) 10:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi: the template is to identify any image that is made by Focus stacking. The File:Focus stack illustration.png was my attempt at illustrating this. Charles (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I understood that much :) I meant, what is the purpose of the
description
parameter? Is there any particular reasons to use {{Focus stacked image|potatoes}}? It does not make sense when seeing the template translated, where it will read (eg in French) “Cette image est un empilement de mises au point d’une image de potatoes etc.” Jean-Fred (talk) 14:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Now I'm confused. I've no idea where the word potatoes came from or how to get rid of it!! For translation I think you use Template:Focus stacked image/en Charles (talk) 11:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Charlesjsharp: Well, this template, {{Focus stacked image}}, has a “description” parameter, the first parameter (the doc says about it « Description of the subject »), which I set to potatoes (because why not, it’s an example). I don’t understand either why you would want to pass a description of the subject either (whether it’s potatoes, insects or anything) − that’s precisely what I’m asking you as the template creator who added that parameter :)
- Sounds like there is no point to this parameter, so I’ll go ahead and remove it.
- For translations, don’t worry, I know how to handle that :)
- Jean-Fred (talk) 15:46, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- Now I'm confused. I've no idea where the word potatoes came from or how to get rid of it!! For translation I think you use Template:Focus stacked image/en Charles (talk) 11:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- sure go ahead, and thanks. The only valid parameters are the number of images and the software used. Charles (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Proposal to improve the illustration of the template
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Suggestion
[edit]The current picture is not very clear. Unless you click on the picture to enlarge at full resolution, nothing indicates the ladybugs at the left contains blurred parts. The arrows are also hard to identify as such. A pictogram should be immediately understandable, for any template (like {{Panorama}} for example).
Although the concept is difficult to illustrate, the proposed picture is smaller in size, and gives a better idea about the technique. A stack of frames is represented (more than two) and the content is abstract to adapt to any subject (like plants, food, architecture, animals, tools, landscapes, components or anything). Do you find the new pictogram more explicit than the current one? Please vote below. -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Votes
[edit]Consensus in favor of a pictogram change-- Basile Morin (talk) 12:19, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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Voting period ends after 10 days (on the 27 Feb 2021 at 12:00)
- Support -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support --XRay 💬 04:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Thank you Basile Morin for working on this. The proposal is an improvement but I think I would prefer to keep the ladybug on the first couple of frames. The ladybug is a likely subject compared to the abstract diagram (which looks like an open pit mine).--Commander Keane (talk) 06:34, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Well, your opinion is totally acceptable, Commander Keane, and thanks for sharing it here. The problem in my view is there are three ladybugs on this image, that look exactly the same (at small size). Then, when you see this template in a picture of plant or landscape, for example (like this image), it's very confusing, and it would certainly be better for many people to have no visual at all with the text, instead of three similar insects with weird arrows, that seem out of topic. Even at full size, you need quite good eyes to spot the blurred sections. But that's subjective of course. I don't use this template currently, for this reason. Others are free to like it as it is, obviously -- Basile Morin (talk) 07:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting. {{Panorama}} uses a tree as its pictogram, thus I cannot see a problem with replacing the abstract icon with a single ladybug. I agree totally that the three insects are confusing.--Commander Keane (talk) 07:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, and note that the illustration for {{panorama}} is basically an assembly of 4 frames, like here. These frames could be blank, the main idea would still be relevant. Like a topographic map, this new design uses gradients of color to show the distance (focus) -- Basile Morin (talk) 09:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 08:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Excellent template work and a big improvement. Thanks Basile --Wilfredor (talk) 16:27, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 08:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support IMHO much better, thank you very much! --Aristeas (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support (with thanks) proposal by Basile to change to frames pictogram. --GRDN711 (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Implementation
[edit]Hi, Jean-Frédéric. Reading the previous discussion on this page, it appears you know quite well how to handle the technical stuff concerning this template. Any chance you can help us to modify the code to display the new pictogram accepted above? -- Basile Morin (talk) 12:19, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Also pinging Eatcha in case -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Done Special:Diff/539592865. Jean-Fred (talk) 12:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, Jean-Frédéric! And thanks everyone above, too -- Basile Morin (talk) 12:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Word choice
[edit]I very much dislike having both the second and the third sentences begin with the phrase "As a result". Perhaps the second phrase could instead begin with "This means that the image underwent etc" ? DS (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK -- Basile Morin (talk) 00:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- ... does that mean you're going to implement the change? DS (talk) 23:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, but I support your initiative -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that "as a result" being repeated is not ideal. What about removing As a result of these adjustments, and simply starting the second sentence with The image content...? Commander Keane (talk) 03:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- Basile Morin (talk) 03:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that "as a result" being repeated is not ideal. What about removing As a result of these adjustments, and simply starting the second sentence with The image content...? Commander Keane (talk) 03:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, but I support your initiative -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- ... does that mean you're going to implement the change? DS (talk) 23:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)