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Good one!

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Very nice, the design, too! Perhapps we could consider Using templates for new Informations... --Stefan-Xp 18:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The MediaWiki engine has a RSS feed enabled. If you go to version history, you see a RSS link a the left hand side bar. If you have e.g. Firefox, you can add this link to your favorites, and you get always the latest 10 Newsarticles. If the people who write the articles write the title in the Summary before uploading, you also get the newest headlines. Perhaps we could announce / explain this feature. That is how I keep track of the Village Pump / de:Commons:Forum. Greetings,Longbow4u 18:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not good in RSS, ma a template for Main page would be useful. --ßøuñçêY2K 18:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translate The Commons Journal to your language

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In case you'd like to translate The Commons Journal to your language, here is what you need to do (all examples for the Dutch translation, change nl to your language code):

Issues

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Template:Lang-journal has not yet been integrated into The Commons Journal.

Hope this contribution was of help, Siebrand 20:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

language?

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i don't think it is useful to translate. My idea was to have One only journal. I didn't want to create something like the bars.. whatever, that's my idea: one journal, many template for every main page. --ßøuñçêY2K 22:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then, how do we keep informed non-english speakers? --Javier Carro 22:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See, you have to think very carefully before coming up with bright ideas here :P Nothing is as simple as it seems! pfctdayelise (translate?) 22:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I saw the different bars and noticed that not many people "live" in commons, i say expecially for italian community. Here it got to me the idea to create something that could become a point of meeting for everyone. A center where information was put in a singol page available for eveyone. I think that creating different kind of newspaper brings to a new kind of inactivity. With one journal, people work for that only journal, and use energy just for that; with many journals, people work only for their single journal, and energy is wasted. To me we should create a singol project to coordinate everything: and that's The Commons Journal, written in the most common language on earth: english. --ßøuñçêY2K 00:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC) PS: that's all IMHO! I don't wanna waste this project just for my opinion. EDIT: how do you manage to coordinate news in many languages.. it's hard according to me..[reply]
Just like the documentation: English is the source, translations are made from there. Please appreciate the fact that Wikimedia Commons is for all languages. This will work in a multilingual structure: the more active a language group is, the more up-to-date the journal is kept. Discussions can take place in many languages and do not necessarily have to be translated. Once a decent proposal comes from it, it can always be summarised and 'elevated' to the English Journal for voting or more discussion. As always also just my 2 Yen Siebrand 22:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I support multilingualism but I agree with Bouncey2k. It's a good idea while there is a Commons:Journal only. Otherwise, with many journals the original Journal it's useless. --Prevert(talk) 22:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please read my previous comment: as with documentation there is a leading Journal and there is derivative work. The Journal will enable communities to get more involved in their own language scene AND keep them up to speed with the overall speed of Wikimedia Commons. Stating that 'we should only do this in English' is inefficient, as less than 20% of the world population is able to communicate in that language and monopolising on that language severely limits the scope of this project. As you may have seen, The Commons Journal has already been translated to Spanish and Dutch, which, IMO, means that already people love the idea. Siebrand 23:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To Siebrand: Please appreciate the fact that Wikimedia Commons is for all languages. - You are right, and I appreciate the fact. I didn't want to undervalue this fact. But pay attention for example to our discussion. I've not checked what language you speak, but we're talking in english, that's a matter of fact. If we have to talk about an important problem, we should absolutely talk in english: you can't translate every discussion. That's absurde. IMHO the Journal is not like a Commons guide which can be translated in every language. The Journal is everyday (or whenever..) updated. I would like to underline that whaterver, i don't want to impose anything. If we decide to have a multi-language project, i will also happy to accept it. --ßøuñçêY2K 01:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bouncey2k: I don't really know if you now want to discuss if The Commons Journal is a multi-language project or if Wikipedia Commons is a multi-language project. Please clarify that point. As for the latter: Wikimedia Commons is a multilingual project, so information needs to be available in different languages spoken by the contributors of Wikimedia Commons. Siebrand 23:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I believe that in this case it's not a problem about language but it's a problem about the community and how to announce what happens in Commons. I'm translating Commons documentation to Galician language, and I believe that it's a counterproductive work to make the Journal translation. This is my opinion only. Best wishes. --Prevert(talk) 23:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Siebrand, I know that Wikimedia commons is a multi-language project. I thought that this Journal could be something different. But it is no problem, really. --ßøuñçêY2K 10:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We could translate only the Interface, the content could last english, otherwise there are a lot of translation tools on the web... --Stefan-Xp 09:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I wanted to demonstrate, the last news written 12 hours ago, has not been translated yet. To me this system doesn't work. A guide can be translated because it remains about the same; a Journal has got almost an everyday updating. --ßøuñçêY2K 12:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT: pratical example: Somebody - don't remember who - said "what if someone can't speak/red english?". That's a good question. But try to image that the in news-box of The Spanigh Journal there is a link to a discussion in the Village Pump. People who olny speaks spanish can read the discussion in the village pump, so that the news link becomes totally unuseful. Don't you think? Interesting would be, whatever, to translate the main news in a kind of template to put in every main pages. According to me we should create a poll to decide. --ßøuñçêY2K 12:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I understand both views, but I strongly agree with Siebrand. It is evident that we don´t have time to translate each long discussion taking place here. But, lets give a chance to non-english speakers to know what is being spoken. Maybe they have something to say. I have summarized in 2 or 3 sentences all what we have spoken here on a short news release which took me a few seconds. If some Journal versions are not updated is a minor disadvantage compared to the fact of closing any chance to non-english speakers to get involved in the community.
I will give what for me is a very relevant and truthful example. In this moment, Spanish Wikipedia is voting a change on image policy. On the poll the great majority of Spanish speaking users wish to upload their media exclusively here, in Commons. Many, many of them do not talk English. Do you think they will be glad to see they can´t know what is going on here? Regards,--150.244.132.8 11:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC) (Javier Carro unlogged in university computer)[reply]
I agree with Javier. The English version of the Journal will naturally be more up-to-date, but, due to the multilingual nature of Wikimedia Commons, we should never prohibit or discourage translations. It's a fact that there are people on Commons who will prefer to read the news in their native language.--Orgullomoore 21:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I just hope it's going to work. --ßøuñçêY2K 10:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Topic additions vs. layout changes

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Please refrain from changing layout and content at the same time. This makes it more difficult to translate (i.e. change the layout first, then change the content - this would be a policy that has been derived from the way the FreeBSD Project handles changes to its documentation and website sources). And please always use the summary field to indicate what has changed. Thanks. Siebrand 18:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that this kind of division is rather better. --ßøuñçêY2K 10:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

how is this supposed to work??

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Fred created Commons:Journal/Licensing questions. So how is it supposed to appear in this page now? pfctdayelise (translate?) 10:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also {{BotUser}} doesn't work for the bot image since there is already a template by that name. I suggest you change it to {{Bots}}. pfctdayelise (translate?) 11:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I see with this is, who will maintain it? It obviously won't maintain itself (at least until more people know about it). I personally have enough projects to look after. So unless someone volunteers to look after this and keep it up to date, it won't work. pfctdayelise (translate?) 14:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

first question: after creating a subpage, he should link it to the main page of the journal with a short comment. It's easy.
second question: maybe you are talking about {{bot2}} .. ?
third question: if you talk about the Journal, I answer you that we all should mantain it. I've been busy for some days, when I came back i saw that some news were written. So that means it work. Don't you agree? --ßøuñçêY2K 08:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Some were written by me (and someone else), but I don't want to have to maintain it. I think it has to be judged over a longer period. We will see. pfctdayelise (translate?) 09:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We are not paid to do this, but we are a big community and I trust in this. This is why I have created the poll. We have to show people that this exist. --ßøuñçêY2K 09:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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