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• Gallery: Commons:Featured pictures/Animals#Class : Gastropoda
•  Info created by Мария Обидина - uploaded by Мария Обидина - nominated by Rodrigo.Argenton -- -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 10:28, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support -- -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 10:28, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment - The subject is sharp and the light is lovely, but I'm struggling with the composition. Will have to come back to this. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  15:32, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment How did it get onto the flower head? Charlesjsharp (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

• Either a photomontage or manipulation. Hopefully it was not left here :-) Basile Morin (talk) 00:59, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Support Who cares? Yann (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Oppose I care. I don't like an image that seems to be natural has a snail placed in an impossible position. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:13, 26 May 2022 (UTC) Following the statement that the photo is genuine. I won't now oppose because of the crop. Charlesjsharp (talk) 08:45, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Oppose I like the snail, but I don't like the left and bottom crops. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support--Ermell (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support--Princess Rosalina 💄 452381 00:41, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Tomer T (talk) 04:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support -- Radomianin (talk) 06:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Aristeas (talk) 09:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 09:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support--Llez (talk) 07:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Weak oppose - The point Charles made pushes me from on the fence to weak oppose. The more I look around at beautiful photos of snails in idealized scenes, the more skeptical I'm getting of them. I just finished writing here (a photo by someone who also has a lot of incredible snail photos) that I think there's a place at FPC for staged/composited/heavily edited photos, but (a) it needs to be marked as such, and (b) if you have control of the scene, there's just not much reason for this kind of crop. Of course, if I'm wrong about snails climbing up to dandelion seedheads on their own, I'll strike this. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  12:34, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Oppose as above --Lupe (talk) 15:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Oppose Per Rhododendrites Poco a poco (talk) 11:45, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Oppose Per all other opposes. I like the idea generally, but it just has too many issues. And to add, an image whose title means "good morning in the forest", should have some suggestion that it's taken in the morning or in a forest ... this has neither. Daniel Case (talk) 17:12, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment why create this stories to diminish the work of others? Rhododendrites: seems staged? it seems?? > 10 s search on google images.

It is not because you never saw, that you could affirm that do exists.

You (all) do not understand the impact of this "theories". -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 01:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

? As I said, there's an entire genre of manipulated/staged images of snails, so finding a couple other examples of snails on flowers doesn't disprove anything. Importantly, however, the two you have linked appear more realistic than this one, as the snail is not sitting atop perfectly intact dandelion seeds, as though it fell onto the flower from above.

If anyone is interested in discussing it more, I mentioned it here: WikiProject Gastropods. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  18:01, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

1. Why does one Wikipedia, in this case, in English, has the authority to decide things here?
2. If the capture is rare, it shouldn't be here? ??? Now can we not have rare events registered? A straight answer: is it impossible to happen? No. So we should discuss the photo, not this theory.
3. If it is staged, results of stack 300 photos, has a studio... nothing, nothing of this matters. If it is a good photo, the style does not matter.

Photos are not a thing that came straight from the camera... It never existed.

We have Commons:Featured_pictures/Places/Interiors/Religious_buildings#United_Kingdom several images that were have manipulated and are the junction of several photos, none of that was signalized as photo manipulation, but as they have a certain look, they don't need to accomplish all the exigencies that you all made for the other photos.

Was pretty quickly to remeber why I do not use more of my time to bring my best photos to Commons. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 00:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Why does one Wikipedia, in this case, in English, has the authority to decide things here - it doesn't have any authority here. The subject is a gastropod and that is a group that knows about gastropods. I opened the thread in the hope that someone there could provide insight. Ideally, they could say "it does not look staged," and I would likely apologize and strike my oppose vote.

If it is staged, results of stack 300 photos, has a studio... nothing, nothing of this matters. - As I've said (and as I've voted in the past) we should absolutely be open to promoting any of these things... but we need to know if they're staged, if they're composites, if they're studio shots, etc. For one, they should to be described as such; secondly, our standards shift somewhat when the photographer has more control. This is why it's harder to promote an animal in a zoo than a wild animal, and why we have higher standards for sharpness and lighting in a studio shot. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  01:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Rhododendrites, you are only forgetting one small thing, this photo is the first place at WLE internationally. A lot of specialized wildlife photographers evaluated this photo, and it is mandatory for the contest that the capture was in a protected area.

What you are saying is: "Wikipedia has better photo specialists than the WLE, and I can evaluate the photo better than the local jury and the international jury of WLE."

-- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 06:03, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Were there gastropod specialists on the WLE jury? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Some of the local juries were clueless when it came to selecting winners. WLE has not bothered to list this year's international jury. In previous years, a number of judges were not noted for having photogrpahic expertise. Charlesjsharp (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

q.e.d.

I have nothing more to add. It is now not only disrespectful to the photographer, but also to WLE volunteers, and judges. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton ^m 02:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Support Assuming that this photo is not manipulated, it's excellent in my view Cmao20 (talk) 09:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Ivar (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment A snail climbing up there without damaging any single stem? Unrealistic -- Basile Morin (talk) 01:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support UnpetitproleX (Talk) 17:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support not sure what bothers opposers. That's a gorgeous result whether it is stagged or not (and it seems it wasn't). - Benh (talk) 15:07, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Oppose Per all other opposes. -- Karelj (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment If it is staged, the photographer should get a special mention for his skill of training snails to seat on top of dandelion flowers... ;o) Yann (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Comment @Yann: Good point ;–). --Aristeas (talk) 08:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

•  Oppose per Rhododendrites and Daniel Case. "Good morning in the forest" makes no sense here. Our Image guidelines state: "Images should have a meaningful file name". -- Basile Morin (talk) 09:50, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Confirmed results:

Result: 13 support, 7 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /Basile Morin (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)