Commons:Deletion requests/nudenoconsent

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nudenoconsent

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notes after images are by mattbuck

... and many others - the list will continue.

A nude person in a not-public place & no consent of the subject as required by COM:PEOPLE. See also: Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Woman naked breasts.jpg --Botev (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - a non-reason is that this will mean almost the only nudes we have are penises and suicide girls, which is hardly a good combination. My reasoning behind this is that we CAN'T get model consent, and frankly it's not our job. What's more it's a slippery slope. While I agree in principle that we should not host images nude of people without their consent if they can be recognised, I'm sure most women would recognise their own breasts on a photo, and a surprising number of men would recognise their own penis. Then of course there is general body shape, tattoos, etc. If this goes through EVERY image of a person will require consent, and if that happens, guess what, they'll all be deleted since it will be too much hassle for most people to give the permission. We apply assume good faith on these things - delete them on a case-by-case basis as the need appears. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • And I also note this appears to be more of the crusade against Klashorst. Oh, and Suicidegirls images are about the only ones with consent (see their website) so we can knock those out of this anyway. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment How do we even record that consent has been given? Are we going to start requiring that model releases be sent to OTRS? howcheng {chat} 18:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Well that's the idea indeed! But we do need coherence. Either we ask proofs either we accept anything without any proof. But recent decisions lead us to be more strict in order to respect people shown on the pictures. That said I think we need to reconsider our rules and clearly claim what we ask for. If we decide that we need consent for nude recognizable pictures, this has to be clear. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 18:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We presume that the photographer has obtained consent from the subject. If the copyright holder agrees to a free license, then we must believe that the subject have agreed too. --|EPO| da: 18:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Well there's a big difference: the photographer theorically own the picture so it's logical to trust him/her for the licence. But s/he doesn't own the pictured person so s/he needs to prove her/his consent! --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 18:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment - I added author info to all. The ONLY one I agree with deleting is Image:Masturbating Amy.jpg as it's marked as private on flickr. The others are mainly Klashorst, with a few Suicidegirls, a professional photographer, one taken at a nudist camp and one self image from a person who has lots of nudes on Flickr. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Amy has a lot of pictures of herself on Flickr and Masturbating Amy used to be publicly available so that's exactly the same case as the other pictures of her. Therefore either we keep them all either we ask consent for all. We just need coherence. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 21:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep For the last time, Klashorst is not a hack. He is not abusing people. If he were he would be arrested as Europe is very intolerant of this kind of abuse. -Nard the Bard 19:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Unless this nomation is expanded to list some couple of thousands other images with this (to me non)-issue..... Garion96 (talk) 00:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  CommentThis DR includes images that should never have been nominated for deletion, which seems to indicate there is a general misunderstanding as to why previous uploads that were of either naked people, or were of a pornographic nature, were deleted. The issue was never the nature of the photos alone (nudity) – the issue was, and continues to be, the nature of the photos compel us, as it our responsibility, to be certain age was verified and that model consent was obtained. The Suicide Girls photos are fine. We can be certain that such a high profile, corporate publisher of erotic images has jumped through the necessary hoops – IE: verified age and gained model consent. I’m not so certain about the other photos. Let’s deal only with the images that don’t conform to these requirements and leave at home our personal feelings about porn. This DR needs to be closed, or modified, so we can deal only with the photos that pose a problem. Brynn (talk!) 00:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept as in Can not be deleted pr mass.nom., please make individual request for problem images. Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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