Commons:Deletion requests/Template:The Hot sex barnstar
Not appropriate for our concept of barnstars, which should be recognition of wiki building skills and contributions. There are barnstars for efforts to 'defender of pics of cocks'; this barnstar is not it. We can subst the few existing usages. John Vandenberg (chat) 10:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
- Since there is always the same debate if sexuality related images are valuable or not – in my opinion they are, others always consider them as trash – we created this barnstar for those who are constantly attacked by some kind of people, which think that sexuality has nothing to do with education (→ Commons) and is the devil itself. This barnstar is meant to encourage contributers to extend commons with valuable images, despite the fact that they have a hard time at Commons, being harassed by well known participants¹, and so on. --/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ 署名の宣言 08:07, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- ¹ participants: doesn't mean that they actually contribute content (contributer).
- We have {{The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar}} for contributors who are inappropriately attacked while contending with people who those who want to damage the wiki, and {{The Valued Image Barnstar}}/{{The Quality Image Barnstar}} for contributors who provide properly assessed valued and quality images respectively. I think those are more appropriate as they are recognising the type of contribution. This is a "hot sex" barnstar, and we should not be awarding people for "hot sex" as that is beyond the scope of this project unless the participants upload quality photographs of the hot sex. Why "hot" sex? It is not appropriate to hand out barnstars that use such a loaded term, suggestive of a type of sex that is better in some way, as some awardees would positively object to having another person be so rude as to try to tell them that 'hot sex' is a desirable thing. Please consider using a more general barnstar, or at least rename it to be more akin to what it is that you believe the awardees have done to warrant the barnstar. John Vandenberg (chat) 10:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep Nothing wrong with this template. In fact, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 13:12, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep As per Niabot. Handcuffed (talk) 01:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep but rename to something more appropriate as per John. We obviously do have contributors on this project of such materials, and they do deserve some recognition. If we tone down the name and make it more generalised, as per other barnstars, I see no reason that this couldn't be kept. russavia (talk) 16:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- I do support the idea for the rename, although at this moment I have no suggestions. The term "hot" probably should go though. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 16:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- If a suitable name for this can't be found by the end of this DR, I would suggest that we possibly userfy it until such time as that name change is made. Niabot, perhaps you can take this on? russavia (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- I do support the idea for the rename, although at this moment I have no suggestions. The term "hot" probably should go though. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 16:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- How about "The Throbing Barnstar of Love"? Carrite (talk) 01:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep It adequately represents everything that is wrong with Commons. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep but only if renamed to "Champion Of Uploading Poor-Quality Amateur Penis Photographs Barnstar", because Commons needs something to adequately reward people engaged in its favorite hobby. Otherwise Delete because I hate freedom. — Scott • talk 18:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - per Ottava (can't believe I'm saying that!) and per Scott - Alison ❤ 20:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - per Alison, Scott and Ottava. Certainly represents the views of prolific contributors. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (talk) 20:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Delete - Alison and Ottava - and a couple of others - sorry you have got so disillusioned that you feel you have to support this - taking the position of it is fucked up here and so supporting them is not a worthy position, finding a cabal of clear violators and so supporting them is the wrong way to go - never support such violators ever. Youreallycan (talk) 21:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep, but replace the pictures by ones that really show hot sex, preferably animated ones. Count Iblis (talk) 23:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- comment I haven't read so entertaining a deletion discussion for ages. Thanks Ottava for getting it going. I'm looking forward to seeing if there is a thoughtful administrator who can come up with a good closing rationale that reflects the real views of the contributors. Oh and Keep this barn star will make it easier for new users to spot which admins to avoid like the plague.--Peter cohen (talk) 23:48, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - I adore this. A perfect award for this place. The dick is a little on the small side, but this is Wikimedia Commons, there ya go. Carrite (talk) 01:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep per Ottava & Count Iblis, Needs moar boobs too! →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 01:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep Anything that pisses of the prudish crybabies can't be all that bad. Resolute (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Sexuality is the devil itself. I didn't realize I felt that way until it was pointed out to me by User:Niabot. I thank User:Niabot for helping me to understand how I feel about sexuality. It is the devil itself. That I feel this way is proven by my opposition to entities such as this. Also, I am prudish crybaby. Herostratus (talk) 03:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Since no-one has mentioned it so far, this image was created by User:Beta_M who is now retired. The debate here is really about whether Commons needs umpteen low quality sexual images from throwaway Flickr accounts, and whether a Barnstar should be awarded allowing users to congratulate each other for hosting this type of image in the face of opposition on Jimbo's talk page.--Ianmacm (talk) 05:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- That is a wonderful misrepresentation about what DR is all about. This one is about a specific template, that can be used to congratulate a person for uploading or defending high quality sexuality related media. There are two types of people here, the first says that we need high quality sexuality media and they want it to be created and uploaded, the seconds says that we need high quality sexuality media and all they do is nominate everything for deletion since it doesn't meet their twisted standards of "one penis is enough". Sinnamon Girl (talk) 05:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, the template was created by Niabot. Beta M created File:Hot sex barnstar.png, which is not up for deletion. That image currently appears on the talk pages of User:Niabot, User:Paddy, User:Stefan4, and, of course, User:Max Rebo Band. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- It is a fitting way of marking meritorious service to retaining multiple low quality sexual images on Commons, so I vote Keep.--Ianmacm (talk) 12:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- This template is vile and disturbing in its glorification of vulgarity for its own sake. So, I am forced to conclude that such a template is entirely within community norms. Keep --The Devil's Advocate (talk) 05:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep per russavia--Steinsplitter (talk) 07:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep because I'm afraid that Niabot might make me cry if I express any disapproval. Lankiveil (talk) 12:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC).
- Keep but rename to e.g. "erotica barnstar" - no reason not to have barnstars to reward people uploading certain in-scope material. darkweasel94 19:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Very little nudity/sexuality related media on Commons is actually erotica. Maybe something like "sexuality and reproduction barnstar". Sinnamon Girl (talk) 06:02, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, whatever, that's why I wrote "e.g.". ;) darkweasel94 11:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Very little nudity/sexuality related media on Commons is actually erotica. Maybe something like "sexuality and reproduction barnstar". Sinnamon Girl (talk) 06:02, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Delete as such a preferential treatment for one single topic/category is neither necessary nor appropriate. We don't even have a barnstar for cat-images. --Túrelio (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - Now that is just not a valid line of argument, in my opinion. On the Barnstars Page I am seeing the History Barnstar, the Chemistry Barnstar, the Geography Barnstar, the Natural Science Barnstar, the Architecture Barnstar, the Mathematical Illustrator's Barnstar... WIKIMEDIA COMMONS IS NOT CENSORED. Carrite (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Delete I would certainly not feel comfortable receiving this barnstar on my talk page that is why I am for delete. Having said that I am not implying that I deserve this or any other barnstar ;)--Vyom25 (talk) 06:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep We still have many times more images of the sexual organs of plants than we have images of the sexual organs of humans. Geo Swan (talk) 06:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep Whether I or anyone else likes this barnstar or would want it on my/their page is irrelevant. It seems to be perfectly within Commons policies and precedents. Thryduulf (talk) 10:02, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Delete If in an alternate universe, the Wikimedia project was created by the cast of the Jersey Shore, this is the kind of barnstar they'd create. This is not how how a WMF project should be displaying itself to the public, a barnstar of porn is not within the scope of this or any other project here. Tarc (talk) 17:36, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- However, as you soapboxed this week on en.wp, proposing a barnstar purely intended to personally attack or harass me, would be absolutely okay in your ideal world? --Fæ (talk) 17:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yep. Tarc (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if you are full of more than cowardly hot air off-wiki, and are prepared to follow through and attack and harass me as you claim, at least we can get you blocked on this project. A definite bonus for the community. --Fæ (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yep. Tarc (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- However, as you soapboxed this week on en.wp, proposing a barnstar purely intended to personally attack or harass me, would be absolutely okay in your ideal world? --Fæ (talk) 17:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - Well if this is to be kept, should it be listed at Commons:Barnstars ? Tarc (talk) 22:19, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
- Are all the barnstars on Commons listed there? Do we list File:Commons Barnstar Look2See1.png? In other words it's a completely different discussion. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 03:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Srsly? *puke* Sarah (talk) 05:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Note: I don't like it is not a reason to delete. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Ahh, I can smell the American freedom.--Warenford (talk) 07:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Trolling from one-edit-user struck. Stay on topic please. — Scott • talk 10:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)Striking the striking, let people have their voice. odder (talk) 10:43, 15 May 2013 (UTC)- Pray tell what content our one-edit friend has contributed to this discussion, odder. — Scott • talk 10:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep per russavia Pass a Method (talk) 10:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Delete I really do not want to be awarded with that barnstar. We must be nice towards each other, but this barnstar is offending and insulting. Taivo (talk) 12:33, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Most likely you won't, unless you have actually uploaded nudity-related pictures - in which case you probably won't feel offended by it. If you receive it even though the things your images are about are something completely different, that may however count as disruption or whatever. darkweasel94 12:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep – Free speech. Everyone has the right to share their appreciation with others. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 14:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Not banned users. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Kept.
I can't see any reasons to delete this template; most of the deletion votes (opinions) — including those ironic keep votes — seem to be focused around the issue of either Commons having too much pornography, or else about sexuality, and users' feelings towards it. While these can be valid opinions in a theoretical debate about the scope of Wikimedia Commons and possible usage of sexuality-related pictures, I feel that they should not have too much weight in a deletion discussion, for its effects are purely practical.
As some !keep votes show, the template has a very distinctive usage purpose, and does not violate any community behaviour rules or guidelines. It should be noted, though, that the name of the barnstar might not necessarily be the best one, and if anybody feels like doing it, I invite them to start a renaming discussion on the template's talk page.
This being said, I'm closing this DR as kept and invite people interested in this barnstar to discuss its future on the said talk page. odder (talk) 15:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)