Commons:Deletion requests/Music of Ravel

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Music of Ravel

Following up on an old DR, Maurice Ravel's compositions are copyrighted in France (their source country) until 2016, due to fr:prorogations de guerre. This includes:

• All contents of Category:Compositions by Maurice Ravel, except Image:Gibet poem Ravel.jpg
• All midi files and musical notation from Category:Boléro
• Image:Jeux deau - Ravel.png
• Image:Maurice Ravel Le Gibet.ogg
• Image:Maurice Ravel Ondine.ogg
• Image:Maurice Ravel Scarbo.ogg
• Image:MenuettRavel.png
• Image:Ondine (Ravel).png
• Image:RavelMalaguena.png
• Image:RavelPavane.PNG
• Image:RavelPavane.png
• Image:RavelPreludealanuit.png
• Image:RavelScarbo.PNG
• Image:StreichquartettThemen1.png
• Image:StreichquartettThemen3.png

• Pre-1923 works, such as Image:Maurice Ravel - Miroirs - Alborado del Gracioso.ogg, could be transferred to the English wikipedia. If any other wikipedias follow the "70 years PMA" rule, rather than "PD in source country", the files could also be uploaded locally there (I don't know if this is the case anywhere, but it would be nice to retain them where we can). --dave pape (talk) 15:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
•  Comment I am not sure that all files in Category:Boléro are Ravel's Boléro. Yann (talk) 19:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

•  Delete (copyrighted in country of origin) but I have a proposal here : Commons_talk:Licensing#Proposal for images_PD_in_one country but_copyrighted in_another. Teofilo (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

See also en:Template:PD-US-1923-abroad. Teofilo (talk) 11:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

•  Comment Regarding the sound recordings only: the creator of the "image" is the performer, not the composer. Are the rights to the performance not held by the performer as per Scope of licensing? Although I am a professional performer, in my case the legal details have always been handled by others, so I do not qualify as an expert. Nevertheless it is not my experience that the composer has the same rights over a performance of his music that he would have over a printed score. Fenneck (talk) 19:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

•  Comment I am sorry, Fenneck, but as hard as it may be to believe, when you perform a piano work by Ravel the copyright holder (Durand, I suppose), who did not compose the work, or publish the printed copy from which you learned it, or provide that copy to you or to the store from which you purchased it, or suggest the fingerings you used, or turn the pages for you while you played, or contribute in any way whatsoever to the work of art that is your performance of Ravel's music, still has legal rights which must be respected in one sense of the word if not another. Samuel Robbins (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

•  Keep Nobody disputes the fact that Ravel's Boléro is still copyrighted in its origin country (France). Nevertheless, the French law has a code (Code de la propriété intellectuelle) which allows the reproduction of a short quotation of a copyrighted work, under condition that the name of the author and the source are clearly indicated (article No. L122-5). In this very case, can one consider that two bars represent more than a short quotation of the entire work ? Kokin (talk) 10:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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Deleted. The only consistent argument against the deletion seems to be based on sort of fair-use. Such quotation right does not remove the copyrighted nature of the works, something that goes against the commons licensing principles. Ecemaml ^{talk to me/habla conmigo} 21:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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Restored Ravel's works are in the PD in France since 2008. See Commons:Undeletion requests/Archive/2012-02#Works_of_Maurice_Ravel.