Commons:Deletion requests/Iraqi currency

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Iraqi currency

According to recent discussion at Commons talk:Licensing#Commons:Currency.23Iraq (permanent link), banknotes and coins are not covered by any known exception from copyright protection under Iraqi law.

As far as I can see, there have been two previous batch deletion requests concerning Iraqi currency: Commons:Deletion requests/Iraqi Money and Commons:Deletion requests/Money of Iraq (2007-03-25). The first request (from 2006) resulted in deletion. The second incorrectly resulted in the nominated files being kept. The incorrect arguments presented there were:

• "None of this is copyrighted, this is just ridiculous."

Actually, claiming that some recent creative work is not protected by copyright without explaining why it would be exempt from copyright protection is ridiculous. Iraqi copyright protection includes engravings and does not require a copyright notice; all creative works are protected by default.

• "I think the whole copyright thing on currency is silly. If I copy the images of currencies 1000 times, does that hurt whoever the engravers/designers are? NO! The state paid them already and that's it."

Iraqi copyright law does not make exceptions for things someone thinks would be silly to protect. The rest of the argument is essentially saying "so what if it's not actually free? We can get away with it!" Commons is not a repository of media you can get away with copying.

• "Copyright of money exists (if it even does) to prevent forgery. This is old money that has images of Saddam Hussein on it, is it even legal tender any more?"

No, counterfeiting laws exist to prevent forgery. Copyright exists to protect the rights of authors to control things like whether people can make derivative works based on their works. They are entirely separate areas of law, but currency is typically subject to both counterfeiting laws and copyright laws. Whether or not it is legal tender is irrelevant to the copyright matter.

• File:Swiss Dinar reverse.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} after Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Swiss Dinar reverse.jpg. Since this is a 1986 work, that tag would only apply if this were a photo or an audiovisual work.
• File:1000 Iraqi Dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:10000 Iraqi Dinar back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:1000back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:1000front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:100Dinars-AH1411-1991-donatedpm b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:100Dinars-AH1414-1994 b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:100Dinars-AH1414-1994 f.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:20 Iraqi Dinars.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-2.0}}
• File:25 Iraqi dinars back .jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:25 Iraqi Dinars front.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:250 Iraqi dinar back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-3.0}}
• File:250 Iraqi dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:25000 Iraqi dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:250back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:250front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:25Kbill.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}}. As noted by OTRS volunteer Pill, M&S Investment GmbH is not actually the author of this banknote, as incorrectly claimed on this and several other files.
• File:50 Iraqi dinar back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:50 Iraqi dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:500 Iraqi Dinar back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:500 Iraqi Dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:5000 Iraqi dinar back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:5000 Iraqi dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:500back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:500bill.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}}
• File:500front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:50back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:50bill.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}}
• File:50front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:5Kbill.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}}
• File:Ibn haithem.jpg – incorrectly tagged with the peculiar combination of {{PD-Iraq}} (which simply does not apply to works from 2003) and {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}}
• File:Iraq 5 dinars Awers.JPG – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:Iraq 5 dinars Rewers.JPG – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-self}}
• File:Iraq 50 dinars Awers.JPG – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-Iraq}}. Since this is a 1991 work, that tag would only apply if this were a photo or an audiovisual work.
• File:Iraq 50 dinars Rewers.JPG – incorrectly tagged with the peculiar combination of {{PD-self}} and {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by the latter
• File:Iraq Dinar 25000 back.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}
• File:Iraq dinar back.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} after Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Iraq dinar back.jpg, but without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:Iraq dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} (which simply does not apply to works from 2003) after Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Iraq dinar front.jpg
• File:Iraq-10Dinars-1994-b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:Iraq-10Dinars-1994-f.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:Iraq-50Dinars-1994-a.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-Iraq}}. Since this is a 1994 work, that tag would only apply if this were a photo or an audiovisual work.
• File:Iraq-50Dinars-1994-b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:IraqP79-1Dinar-1992 b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:IraqP85-250Dinars-AH1415-1995 a.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:IraqP85-250Dinars-AH1415-1995 b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:IraqPNew-100Dinars-2002-donatedmr b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:IraqPNew-100Dinars-2002-donatedmr f.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:IraqPNew-250Dinars-2002-b.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:IraqPNew-250Dinars-2002-f.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:Old 10000 dinar back.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:Old 10000 dinar front.jpg – tagged as {{PD-Iraq}} without any indication of first publication as required by that tag
• File:Saddam bill.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{Self|GFDL|Cc-by-sa-3.0-migrated}}
• File:SP10Kbill.jpg – no license tag, but a textual {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}} claim and an OTRS tag. However, as noted on File:25Kbill.jpg, the OTRS tag is meaningless, because M&S Investment GmbH is not actually the author.
• File:SP1Kbill.jpg – no license tag, but a textual {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}} claim and an OTRS tag. However, as noted on File:25Kbill.jpg, the OTRS tag is meaningless, because M&S Investment GmbH is not actually the author.
• File:SP250bill.jpg – no license tag, but a textual {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}} claim and an OTRS tag. However, as noted on File:25Kbill.jpg, the OTRS tag is meaningless, because M&S Investment GmbH is not actually the author.
• File:1 Iraqi Dinar - obverse.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}}
• File:1 Iraqi dinar - reverse.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}}
• File:1981 50 Iraqi fils.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}}
• File:250 Iraqi fils.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}}
• File:5 Iraqi fils.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}}
• File:500 Iraqi fils.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}}
• File:Unknown origin coin3.JPG – incorrectly tagged with the peculiar combination of {{PD-Iraq}} and {{PD-self}} without any indication of first publication as required by the former
• File:100Dinars-AH1411-1991-donatedpm f.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-Iraq}}. Since this is a 1994 work, that tag would only apply if this were a photo or an audiovisual work.
• File:Swiss Dinar front.jpg – incorrectly tagged as {{PD-Iraq}}. Since this is a 1994 work, that tag would only apply if this were a photo or an audiovisual work.

—LX (talk, contribs) 15:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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Deleted: Thanks to LX for the considerable work required to document these.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 23:10, 18 June 2011 (UTC)