Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Nana Ntumba

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Files uploaded by Nana Ntumba (talk · contribs)

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Outside of COM:SCOPE. Personal file of user without other useful contribution except self-promotion (en:Wikipedia:Nana Ntumba/sandbox).

Ю. Данилевский (talk) 08:20, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep, at least some: Regardless of the vanity in intent, at least some of these images do have educational value, namely illustrating professional camera and studio use in several places in Africa. -- Tuválkin ✉ 22:22, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Besides these are all high quality shots, with sharp forcus and high resolution. Even the goofier ones, which argueably fit the nomination deletion rationale, are mostly well framed and composed. -- Tuválkin ✉ 03:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

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 Keep File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep with Idris Elba.JPG
Kept two files extracted from this (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)
Kept one file extracted from this (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)
 Keep File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep and Director friend.JPG
As you say, "borderline" (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)
 Keep File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep with JB Mpiana.jpg
 Keep File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep with JB Mpiana2.jpg
As you say, "borderline" (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)
Borderline and back to camera (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)

Filming

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  • Camera use
We have more than 100 files in Category:People_with_movie_cameras and more than 400 in Category:People with video cameras (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)
  • Studios
Two unidentified people in a room with a lot of computer monitors -- not exactly a useful image. (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)
These might be useful if the "international movie stars" and "the director friend" were identified, but as they are, they are not useful. (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)

Other

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So what -- good quality and interesting technique is not a reason to keep on Commons unless the image might qualify as a Picture of the Year. (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)
Poorly composed, shows two non-notable passengers, one of them with back to camera, but does not show anything of the airport -- indeed, I think it is not in Kinshasha at all, but shows a part of a plane whose destination is Kinshasha. (Jameslwoodward, 2014.02.08)

-- Tuválkin ✉ 03:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Commons is not Facebook. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:18, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Restored as per Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests#Commons:Deletion requests.2FFiles uploaded by Nana Ntumba. I think that deleting these was a bad idea. They are HR images, many of them have educational value, and could be used in Wikipedia. Beside we don't have that many images from Africa. We should encourage to upload more images from there. Last, if at least someone other user think that an image can be useful, we should not delete it on the rationale "out of scope". Yann (talk) 06:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

Files uploaded by Nana Ntumba (talk · contribs)

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Out of scope personal images. Commons is neither a means of self-promotion, nor is it a personal online photo album.

FASTILY 08:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Delete These are simply self promotion. My comments on each group are shown in the first DR. It is true that there are parts of several of these images in use, but the crop was done before they were uploaded, so they are not a necessary part of the history of the in-use images.
As an example of the promotional intent, look at File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep with International Movie stars.JPG -- we're given the name of the person being promoted, but the "International Movie Stars" are not identified.
While I think that they should all be deleted, I will admit that a few of them may be useful. I think, however, that the majority of them have absolutely no place on Commons. See, for example, File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep.jpg, which is simply a personal image with no reason for us to keep it. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:21, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:21, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Replying a few points raised by Jim:
  • «These are simply self promotion.» Yes, that’s clear from the filenames — however they were donated for any use. In Commons we curate vanity items and create from them usefulness for the world.
  • «the crop was done before they were uploaded»… As far as I know all images of this DR are unedited originals. I made a few crops of some of them (obviously, after they were uploaded by the original contributor) and uploaded them under different names, marking them with {{Extracted image}} and {{Extracted from}}.
  • I believe that in File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep with International Movie stars.JPG the title is incorrect; the file description more credibly says «Long walk to freedom Movie crew». But even if these people are not “nameless” film technicians but indeed famous international movie stars it is not deleting this photo that will help us get them identified and, then, ascertain the value of this contribution. There is a category for unidentified actors, after all.
  • «While I think that they should all be deleted, I will admit that a few of them may be useful.» Why would you want to delete also what you admit that may be useful? Besides, we’re talking about a (programmer’s) dozen files here, not a million. Why dont you list apart those you think that may be useful and vote to keep them?
-- Tuválkin ✉ 07:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Further replying a few of the points raised by Jim (and adding that I was shocked by his adding of unmarked, unsigned comments interspersed within someone else’s text; I felt forced to add SMALL tags, the date and a sig. link):
  • «We have more than 100 files in Category:People with movie cameras and more than 400 in Category:People with video cameras.» Indeed we do, and these nine files are not only much better than most of those, but also double the number of those depicting a person of recent African ancestry holding said cameras.
  • About File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep in Adonai TV studio.jpg (which used to be the single image we had in Category:Television studios in South Africa, now an empty category) Jim says that it shows «Two unidentified people in a room with a lot of computer monitors -- not exactly a useful image.» On the contrary this image is useful to show how does (a part of) a TV studio look like: a room with a lot of monitors. That’s the very definition of being educational.
  • Concerning File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep and Director friend.JPG, Jim says that it «might be useful if the »(…)« "the director friend" were identified, but as they are, they are not useful.» The director in question is Justin Chadwick, as explained; Jim himself found this photo worth keeping a few lines above. (Yes, I split my argument by keep rationales and listed relevant files under each; some files show up more than once, those I think are worth keeping for more than one reason.)
  • Concerning File:Venant Mambumina Imhotep On the way to Kenya.JPG, Jim says i.a. that «I think it is not in Kinshasha at all, but shows a part of a plane whose destination is Kinshasha.» Jim and other admins have the ability to view deleted images and pages, which I lack, but if my memory serves me right, there’s enough on the photo and description to assume this was taken in Kinshasa (plane livery, maybe?). Filename says «On the way to Kenya», anyway, so surely the destination is not Kinshasa.
-- Tuválkin ✉ 11:31, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kept There isn't consensus for deleting the photos, and as Fæ said, a big number of photos were reused, so the material may be useful in the future Ezarateesteban 00:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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