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Files in Category:Tripp Trapp
[edit]Copyrighted artwork by w:Peter Opsvik according to the supreme courts in Copenhagen,[1] Karlsruhe[2] and Oslo.[3] Norwegian law doesn't permit photos of copyrighted artworks without permission from the artist.
Stefan4 (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep A picture of a chair like this is not protected as far as I know. The rulings mentioned goes on copying the chair itself, not making a picture of the chair. Commons have a lot of similar pictures: Here the iconic Category:PH_lamps. Nsaa (talk) 23:34, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- See this PDF file, page 19, footnote 77. There it says that "online advertisements reproducing the so-called ‘TRIPP TRAPP chair’" (i.e. this chair) were found to violate the copyright of the chair. Dutch law, true, but the case was about the same chair. See also for example COM:TOYS. --Stefan4 (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep This are two pictures of the actual chair (taken in a private setting) and not pictures of a copy. All the court rulings refered to above is about making a copy of the chair, photographing the copy and then advertising and selling the copy, with a possible exeption for the information refered to in the footnote in this PDF file, page 19, footnote 77. This could be about using a picture of the Tripp-Trapp chair to sell a different product. On page 15 in the PDF file it says. Article 15a of the Dutch Copyright Act provides:‘Quotations from a literary, scientific or artistic work in an announcement, criticism or scientific treatise or publication for a comparable purpose shall not be regarded as an infringement of copyright, provided that: 1. the work quoted from has been published lawfully; 2. the quotation is commensurate with what might reasonably be accepted in accordance with social custom [...]; 3. [...]; and 4. so far as reasonably possible the source, including the author’s name, is clearly indicated.’. and in footnote 62 on the same page: in natural language usage, it is extremely important for a quotation that third-party intellectual property is reproduced without modification in identifiable form. As is made clear by the general examples cited in Article 5(3)(d) of the directive, according to which the quotation must be for purposes such as criticism or review, this is not sufficient in itself. There must also be a material reference back to the quoted work in the form of a description, commentary or analysis. The quotation must therefore be a basis for discussion’. As far as I can see it is quite legal to use a photograph of the actual Trip-Trap chair taken in a private setting when the picture is accompanied with copyright information and commented in a proper objective and neutral Wikipedia article. -- ツツ Dyveldi ☯ 08:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
- Commons can only accept images which can be used for any purpose. If the image only can be used in a Wikipedia article, then the "permission" to use the image is insufficient. About photos as opposed to real chairs, see this court ruling. Some random quotes of 11 words were found to infringe the copyright of the articles from which they were quoted because some of the quotes showed the creativity of the original author. These two photographs show what's so special about the Tripp Trapp chair, so the same problem applies here too. The EU court ruling is relevant to Norway because the w:InfoSoc Directive is part of the EEA treaty. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Deleted: In most countries, copyright gives the holder the exclusive right to make copies, including 2D copies of 3D works and vice versa. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)