Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:St George Monument, Tbilisi

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Files in Category:St George Monument, Tbilisi

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The monument was completed in 2006 by Zurab Tsereteli (1934–). There is no freedom of panorama in Georgia, permission from the artist is required.

A1Cafel (talk) 04:30, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for notification. If deletion is legally necessary, no objection. Andrew Dalby (talk) 10:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. The monument is only a part of the whole composition in some pictures. The "De minimis" is applicable, when the sculpture is not the main subject of the picture, but the Freedom Square in total.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 10:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You have my support. To delete several dozoms of pictures of the Freedom Square in Tbilisi makes no sense. It is just a kind of vandalism. Matti&Keti (talk) 11:40, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is why we need a review and not treat everything the same and delete everything without wasting a second thought. For those who face the deletion I have some advice: You can upload the picture with the "no commons" template in any wikipedia language that permit freedom of panorama. You can find these countries here here and the majority languages of those countries have a high probability that they support freedom of panorama. I also think that very often commons takes the rules way too far against the fotographers interests, that want to share information about the country and do not intend to harm the copyrights of architects and artists that contribute with their creations to the public appearances of towns, cities, streets and squares. So I think it is Ok to exclude pictures, that have the questionable object as the main subject, but to keep pictures that have it as part of the whole scenery and do not focus on the protected object.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 18:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. No FOP? Sure, legally that may be so. However, I can post all my tourist photos on my own blog and the whole world can see it. Or election posters for that matter. If Wikimedia wants to be a repository for "educational" purposes it might want to do something about FOP, such as negotiations if required for exempt. Meanwhile, me as an ordinary citizen cannot even revoke my license and take back some photos that overly enthusiastic community members mass uploaded as they are somehow highly important "for educational purposes". This is getting silly. Sorry for the rant. Labrang (talk) 22:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is that you may live in a country where it is totally legal to do this. But in Georgia it might be not. Commons is a project that needs to comply with the laws in many countries. The achitect or the artist of the sculpture might not be aware of your site or just might not care, even like the idea that photographs of their building or sculpture exist, but the laws say otherwise. As long as it is not enforced, or even enforceable, you are fine with it, while commons with millions of photos might face a huge lawsuit, also the user of the photo in this jurisdiction.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 23:12, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to the FOP photos, that everybody can put on whichever platform (be it their own site, or facebook or insta for that matter). Apparently Commons applies rules more strictly than those platforms, hence I suggest there may be a need for a discussion with the relevant authorities to open up some FOP aspects for "educational purposes" (apparently one of the prime aspects). The point is that this FOP is carrying water to the sea. Labrang (talk) 06:26, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose This proposal is too broad and I am in shock some of these beautiful imagery can be proposed for deletion! Freedom Square is very historic site and because of central placement of statue, with this flawed logic any photo of Freedom Square or its part can be erased just because it has this statue in it. It is difficult to avoid this status because of placement. If somebody request removal for legal reason, that's one thing to comply but to proactively search and delete any and all photos with this statue is almost vandalism as somebody else say above. Can you find something else to do please. It will be more productive and improve this community.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 01:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination, most since the focus was on the sculpture. Kept a few where the monument is de minimis. --Abzeronow (talk) 18:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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