Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Silvana Mangano

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Files in Category:Silvana Mangano

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Screenshots of non PD films. EEC 70 years protection applies. {{PD-Italy}} exception for non-original photographs does not apply : not a photograph and not deprived of originality or artistic quality. See [1] and [2]. See [3] for an explanation on the notion of originality. See Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Adri08

— Racconish ☎ 18:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strongest possible keep, images of Italian films produced in Italy before 1976 are explicitly permitted under PD-Italy. They are SPECIFICALLY included in the "simple photographs" chapter (articles 87-92). For the record, not the nom's responsability, but the current wording of the template is quite misleading as the Italian law never says "the simple photography must not have artistic merit or reflections of photographer creativity or personality" (something, if we were in WP, I would call an original research) and particularly Art. 2, § 7 do not talk about "work of photographic ART" but about a more neutral "photographic works" ("opere fotografiche" in Italian). The Italian law is also extremely precise in what should be considered a simple photograph and what is a photographic work: Art. 2, § 7 expressely refers to articles 87-92 (ai sensi delle norme del Capo V del Titolo II, "Diritti relativi alle fotografie" i.e. "Rights related to photographs"), and namely in the article 87 includes film screenshot. Not by chance Italian Wikipedia also uses a template PD-Italia-Film for film screenshots. --Cavarrone (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong  Keep per Cavarrone. Jacopo Werther iγ∂ψ=mψ 18:38, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional comment. Please read the Italian law, art. 87: "Sono considerate fotografie ai fini dell'applicazione delle disposizioni di questo capo ... le riproduzioni di opere dell'arte figurativa e i fotogrammi delle pellicole cinematografiche", i.e. "film screenshots follow the following rules" and then relevant article 92 establishes the copyright expiration limit of twenty years. The Italian lawmakers knew very well that obviously virtually almost every film has originality or artistic qualities (let alone the reproductions of figurative art, also included in this set of rules), nevertheless they explicitly and specifically included them in the twenty years limit. We could disagree with their choice, but that's what the law says, there is little possible discussion about that. Also, let me point I consider the outcome of the linked deletion discussion Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Adri08 bizarre: we have had several thousand of film images uploaded in Commons and in Italian WP under PD-Italy for years, then at one point an editor suddenly found that PD-Italy is no more valid for film screenshot, and a bunch of valid images were deleted in a few days with almost no discussion and with a consensus against deletion outside the nominator's opinion. Once this and the relevant discussions started by the nominator will be closed I'll soon ask for the restoration of the deleted images. --Cavarrone (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep From my experience of browsing hundreds of Mondadori images on Getty (which are the subject here), those are not screenshots, but photographs taken at the set (they often have authors, or depict scenes not found in the final version like Commons:Deletion requests/File:Janet Landgard 1968.jpg - see File:Burt Lancaster and Janice Rule 1968.jpg for the actual image). Materialscientist (talk) 20:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my comments here. @Materialscientist:  : I have only nominated images which were described as photograms, not film stills. — Racconish ☎ 23:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, no. This DR is a mixed bag of images which may indeed be screenshots and of Mondadori Getty images which appear as stills (Silvana Mangano 1956/58/74). Materialscientist (talk) 10:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 I withdraw my nomination. See here. — Racconish ☎ 12:25, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: as above. — Racconish ☎ 09:47, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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